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    KOF 2003 AES JAP real or not?

    Helle everybody, need help with this KOF 2003 AES game.
    What do you think about it? real one?

    i have a doubt because of hair on left upper corner at the back insert. in this one you can see a little strand of hair that we do not see on the copies currently on sale on ebay.
    Thank you for your help.

    https://ibb.co/m07Q41j
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    AND SEE ON EBAY, without strand of hair:

    https://ibb.co/QCGfbX2
    https://ibb.co/Y2TPSqx
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    The only way you'll know for certain is opening it up

    With that said, SNK was just garbage at uniformly cutting / sticking down stickers. I have inexpensive AES carts that look like an 8 year old tried to line up the cart sticker. Even my Hyper carts have stickers put on them with little to no care.

    Is it possible they cut this insert with the extra hair differently? sure. So yeah....just gotta open the cart and check and see. But you have to remember art usually as an overrun on the margins. Extra content that is cut so you aren't either a) precisely cutting or b) leaving white unprinted area visible

    Here's a photo of mine. Strand of hair semi visible. I've opened the cart up...stock AF
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    The white is just a piece of computer paper added in so the insert doesn't fall into the case holes.

    I got this from a reputable seller, with board photos, and opened it upon arrival to confirm it was all stock, no hand soldering, etc etc etc

    My guess is you are fine, but really you have to inspect the boards

    Which is funny because I got pandemic bored and just shot a "how to detect fake AES games" video
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    For fun...since what else is there to do during a pandemic...I just looked at ten different AES copies of 2003 on ebay.

    7 of them had a hair exposed, three didnt.

    Trust me...it's a cutting issue. Not saying your cart isn't a boot, but don't worry about the visible hair...you are literally "splitting hairs"

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    thanks for your help, actually the cutting was not their best quality at SNK.

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    This might also be a quick way to spot check.

    Some SNKP PCBs from that era have SNK and Playmore etched on the lower board, on the back side, by the connectors. The MVS Scans of the KOF2K3 have this feature, so I would assume the AES version also has this. (I had a copy of the game WAY back when it first came out). The pictures below are from my AES copy of SVC Chaos which released in that time frame.

    Weight is also a good way to spot check - EPROM conversions are typically a little heavier than an authentic cart in my experience, while a reproduction will be noticeably lighter due to hardly any chips being used.

    I agree with awbacon, though. I think you're good to go.

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    It's probably real but if you buy it and try to resell in the future, people will assume it's fake. Once an expensive game enters France, it's like the opposite of provenance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wyo View Post
    It's probably real but if you buy it and try to resell in the future, people will assume it's fake. Once an expensive game enters France, it's like the opposite of provenance.
    Pro-tip: don't sell it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by awbacon View Post
    The only way you'll know for certain is opening it up.
    That is about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wyo View Post
    It's probably real but if you buy it and try to resell in the future, people will assume it's fake. Once an expensive game enters France, it's like the opposite of provenance.
    Word.

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    To be honest I never opened up any of my Aes carts. Real Aes games have a particular scent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RAZO View Post
    To be honest I never opened up any of my Aes carts. Real Aes games have a particular scent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RAZO View Post
    To be honest I never opened up any of my Aes carts. Real Aes games have a particular scent.
    Right? It’s like some sort of offgassing plastic smell mixed with old 80’s vinyl car seats on a hot summer day.

    I have two not legit AES carts. Neo Bomberman conversion and a repro Pulstar I picked up recently knowing full well it’s not real. Both smell totally different than a real cart

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    Quote Originally Posted by yagamikun View Post
    This might also be a quick way to spot check.

    Some SNKP PCBs from that era have SNK and Playmore etched on the lower board, on the back side, by the connectors. The MVS Scans of the KOF2K3 have this feature, so I would assume the AES version also has this. (I had a copy of the game WAY back when it first came out). The pictures below are from my AES copy of SVC Chaos which released in that time frame.

    Weight is also a good way to spot check - EPROM conversions are typically a little heavier than an authentic cart in my experience, while a reproduction will be noticeably lighter due to hardly any chips being used.

    I agree with awbacon, though. I think you're good to go.

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    Yes the AES version has these as well

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    Quote Originally Posted by awbacon View Post
    Right? It’s like some sort of offgassing plastic smell mixed with old 80’s vinyl car seats on a hot summer day.

    I have two not legit AES carts. Neo Bomberman conversion and a repro Pulstar I picked up recently knowing full well it’s not real. Both smell totally different than a real cart
    Don't forget the slight whiff of aged cigarette smoke residue. I could sniff that all day.

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    People convert KoF's (apart from the English 2000 that is)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Late View Post
    People convert KoF's (apart from the English 2000 that is)?
    Unlikely, especially 2003 due to encryption. The others are probably not worth it either since they are relatively cheap. 2003 would likely need to contain newly manufactured PCBs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lachlan View Post
    Don't forget the slight whiff of aged cigarette smoke residue. I could sniff that all day.
    It smells like “cancer” if cancer had a scent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by awbacon View Post
    It smells like “cancer” if cancer had a scent.
    The scent of cancer is the slight whiff of aged cigarette smoke residue. Were you not paying attention to lachlan's evocative imagery?
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    Quote Originally Posted by wyo View Post
    The scent of cancer is the slight whiff of aged cigarette smoke residue. Were you not paying attention to lachlan's evocative imagery?
    I read it lol. But it’s the combined bouquet of stale butts, some “known to the state of California to cause cancer” plastic chemicals, and Pontiac brand Corinthian leather.

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    Quote Originally Posted by awbacon View Post
    I read it lol. But it’s the combined bouquet of stale butts, some “known to the state of California to cause cancer” plastic chemicals, and Pontiac brand Corinthian leather.
    Now we're talking!
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    Quote Originally Posted by wyo View Post
    Now we're talking!
    but seriously how weird is it you can smell authenticity on an AES cart? I mean what other platform has that? You can literally take a big snoot of an AES cart and say "nah doesn't smell right"

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    Well . . . are the contents offset printed or not, start there. Take your loupe and compare an official AES game to a NGDEV AES game. You can easily tell which is which. Digital vs Offset.
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    It's so true. My partner thinks I'm weird doing the "smell test."

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    I think it s a matter of smell.

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