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Lonesage would it be ok to wear my star wars shirt when i watch this in theater?
Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker
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So you're saying, 13 year-olds?
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I'll probably go see it after it's first week release. Due to the kids, we seldom have time for a night out. When we do go out to the movies, I'm a fan of a mostly empty theater, not rushing, not having to deal with assholes.
Maybe I'm getting old, but I could care less about bitching about the Star Wars series. Growing up with the films, I'm not looking for deep meanings or trying to interpret what the director was trying to convey. It's a sci-fi adventure series that entertains me. My biggest joy recently has been the reaction that my kids have when they watch the series.
If I wanted to have an in depth conversation and verbal deconstruction about a recent film, I'd revisit Aronofsky's Mother!. I'm not wasting time discussing some incel's take on how a supporting female character ruined a film, supporting character plot holes, and a disproportionate bare-chested lead when the same film involves a Wookie's penchant and guilt for eating Porgs.
Maybe I'm getting old, but I could care less about bitching about the Star Wars series. Growing up with the films, I'm not looking for deep meanings or trying to interpret what the director was trying to convey. It's a sci-fi adventure series that entertains me. My biggest joy recently has been the reaction that my kids have when they watch the series.
If I wanted to have an in depth conversation and verbal deconstruction about a recent film, I'd revisit Aronofsky's Mother!. I'm not wasting time discussing some incel's take on how a supporting female character ruined a film, supporting character plot holes, and a disproportionate bare-chested lead when the same film involves a Wookie's penchant and guilt for eating Porgs.
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It's not science fiction. It's a space opera. There's no science.
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People want to bash on the butthurt...like me, but we're the long lasting fans of the SW universe.
I look at it this way, I'm a Chicago Bears fan...always have been, always will be. There's times when I love being a fan, I love what the team does and the choices they make. There's other times when I think the team is shit and don't agree with what the management does. In the end, it doesn't kill my being a fan just because I call them out when they make poor decisions and have shit seasons.
SW is currently under shit management. I don't like the current product, I'm not a fan of the shit in a box currently slapped with a Star Wars label. When this management is gone and forgotten, there will still be the real fans. Good times will come and go, shit times will come and go. SW is too big, too popular, and too valuable to die. It will come around again and if management ever changes to people with real talent and vision, I'll be there waiting to chuck money at them once again.
For now? Just like a 2-14 NFL team, there's just nothing there to enjoy at the moment, the product is shitty. Hammering people like me because we're calling it what it currently is is absurd, because we'll still be here decades from now.
I look at it this way, I'm a Chicago Bears fan...always have been, always will be. There's times when I love being a fan, I love what the team does and the choices they make. There's other times when I think the team is shit and don't agree with what the management does. In the end, it doesn't kill my being a fan just because I call them out when they make poor decisions and have shit seasons.
SW is currently under shit management. I don't like the current product, I'm not a fan of the shit in a box currently slapped with a Star Wars label. When this management is gone and forgotten, there will still be the real fans. Good times will come and go, shit times will come and go. SW is too big, too popular, and too valuable to die. It will come around again and if management ever changes to people with real talent and vision, I'll be there waiting to chuck money at them once again.
For now? Just like a 2-14 NFL team, there's just nothing there to enjoy at the moment, the product is shitty. Hammering people like me because we're calling it what it currently is is absurd, because we'll still be here decades from now.
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There's also nothing to enjoy about a team that is perennially out of the playoffs. But sports isn't film. What are people really hoping for with Starwars? At best, it can only re-package the stories we already have, around the IP that we have an emotional attachment to. Maybe Abrams is more concerned with giving a connection to the younger generation than the older one, but in either case, it falls flat because space is a different challenge now than in 1977. How do we rectify the issues of 1977 star wars into 2019 starwars, 42 years later? Imperial Star Destroyers staffed exclusively by males for the first three movies. Now the imperial army has one female with Fantasma?
These guys should have just made a fresh new series, or rebooted the starwars franchise to fit the 2019 zeitgeist.
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Good post.
I can kinda get how people liked 7. I thought it was ok on first watch but less than ok on repeated viewings. It was just a complete redo of New Hope, and the inserted 'comedy' was in my opinion out of place and stupid. I could see how it could be entertaining though not great. Same goes for rogue one. I'm willing to accept that people found it entertaining and that was good enough for them. Fine.
I honestly don't know how anyone could watch 8 and think, yeah that was good. If they thought it was great I have serious doubts about their taste in almost everything. They upped the ante on stupid humor. Putting the plot on a timer was a hilariously stupid decision, the excursion to the casino planet, the save the animals bit, the whole good guys/bad guys/same guys, and then they completely broke hyperdrive by making it a weapon and force powers make you a super spaceman. It was bad at every turn. You get no points for 'taking risks' or 'not making a typical star wars movie' if the movie just sucks in the end.
I consider myself a big Star Wars fan, but not at all interested in the extended universe stuff. Wanting a good movie is not the same as looking for deep meaning from a Star Wars movie. So your kids enjoy it, cool. Kids are dumb and enjoy almost anything. It would be like me suggesting that everyone just shut up and give Secret Life of Pets 2 a chance because my kids like it.
The reason Star Wars used to work was because it spanned age groups. Kids, teens, and adults could enjoy it. For me, Pixar movies generally fit this description now. If Star Wars is now just a movie for kids or manchildren like that knob in the video posted a page back that cry at the first sign of a lightsaber, ok fine. Just don't expect me to be there opening weekend.
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The start of Episode 7 was so bad I almost walked out. The tone was all wrong. It was immediately clear, this was not "our" Star Wars. If you can get past that, and put aside your feelings of ownership towards something none of us owns, there's definitely enjoyment to be had from these new movies. However, whether it's watching new Star Wars sequels, or playing old video games, our childhoods are not coming back. If you can't accept that times change and let go of such things, you're going to be perpetually miserable. Like a drug addict thinking if he can only get that next fix all will be right with the world, you're setting yourself up for disappointment every time.
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They need to convince Lucas to help make the next movies, as a producer, IMO. The sequel trilogy has been financially successful. I think it's having good actors that do the most to make a film good, as well as having a good story.
Surely, IX won't be the last Stars Wars film?
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I won't be satisfied with any other answer than "Snoke was Plagueis."
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See, I completely disagree with this. This whole approach of "don't like the new SW films? Something is wrong with you, not the films." is complete bullshit.
VII was ok, by any form of film measurement. VIII was an absolute storytelling clusterfuck. Its failure had zip to do with anything SW related and goes to the core of good storytelling and filmmaking. VIII is a hot mess in nearly every way it could be; from massive plot holes, being contradictory to VII (which it was supposed to tie to), poor attempts at humor, out of established character plot lines, go nowhere sub plots, and forced emotional audience gimmicks...it is a nightmare of filmmaking. SW or no, it just isn't a good film.
This is the point. Back to my football analogy, it would be like a fan insulting a female team owner, or minority unproductive player. Labeling them a racist, sexist, or calling them a "toxic fan" because they're voicing their dislike for something is the equivalency of calling someone a "poopy head" when they critique your work.
On any level of measurement, VIII was an awful film. A person isn't outdated, toxic, racist, or sexist by pointing that out.
Im with smoke 100%
VIII was insane. Porgs = dispicable me minions. Snoke = Voldemort. They made me dislike Luke Skywalker, something i thought completely impossible prior.
It was horrible on so many levels, complete with god awful merchandising gimmicks, forced humor. It was awful as a film and downright saddening as a Star Wars installment.
Nothing is wrong with me. Everything is wrong with the movies themselves.
VIII was insane. Porgs = dispicable me minions. Snoke = Voldemort. They made me dislike Luke Skywalker, something i thought completely impossible prior.
It was horrible on so many levels, complete with god awful merchandising gimmicks, forced humor. It was awful as a film and downright saddening as a Star Wars installment.
Nothing is wrong with me. Everything is wrong with the movies themselves.
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I agree, obviously, that VIII was a turd monster. What's interesting to me is that, after repeat viewings, my coworkers (who are older than me and saw Empire and Jedi in theaters back in the day) have come to love it. I didn't get into it with them, but I don't understand how or why they could love it. One thing they both mentioned was that they liked the fact that Yoda destroyed the sacred Jedi books in a "burn it all down" moment, which if you ask me, was Johnson inserting himself (that's what she said) and his MO into the movie's narrative.
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Basic incompetent storytelling is the main flaw in The Last Jedi. They don't know how to move the characters from place to place. They don't know how to establish tension or stakes. The gimmicky representation of Kylo's fall and is ultimately just as silly on screen as the fall of Anakin Skywalker. These are serious problems.
Luke rejecting the Jedi order (as it is depicted in the prequels trilogy)? Not a problem. The right move, in fact. Disposing of the Rey parentage mystery? Fine. Disposing of Snoke? Fine. Getting Kylo Ren to stop playing dress-up? What's the problem? Kylo Ren outgrowing his costume and his master are probably the best parts of it. I mean, I've only watched it once.
Luke rejecting the Jedi order (as it is depicted in the prequels trilogy)? Not a problem. The right move, in fact. Disposing of the Rey parentage mystery? Fine. Disposing of Snoke? Fine. Getting Kylo Ren to stop playing dress-up? What's the problem? Kylo Ren outgrowing his costume and his master are probably the best parts of it. I mean, I've only watched it once.
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Luke Skywalker is an example of flawed good. He is a physical embodiment of hope, long suffering, love, redemption...with a few human flaws thrown in. As a viewer, our last snapshot of Luke was a young man willing to give up his own life in the name of justice and redemption.A person that believed in the good in someone despite all the facts given to him. He went through trials, tribulations, lost people he cared about and never gave up hope.
To take the established character and to make him into who he was in VIII with very little explanation (or paper thin explanation, choose either one), is bad storytelling.If you're going to take a concrete character like Luke and make him someone else, you need a much better reason other than "he had a bad week".
Sadly, Luke wasn't the only character to suffer this fate, many newcomers were dealt the complete established character flip-flop in VIII...
Again, in a stand-alone film? I agree, fine. After the setup in VII...not so fine, it came across as this giant I-Don't-Give-A-Fuck plot line. Going from EP VII's who-is-Rey-mystery.com to VIII's "Rey is no one" is a massive cop out.
Again, not when tied to VII. Snoke was built to be the series villain, the Knights of Ren were also in the Ep VII mix. Episode VIII? Nah...he's nobody...just like everyone else. In the end, that seemed to be the overall theme of VIII. Who are all these people? No one. How about the past? Who gives a fuck. Who are the bad guys? No one. VIII really came across as Johnson flipping everyone off in a very long joke on the audience.
Kylo's character development...er lack of overall development in VIII was one of the few things I didn't have much beef with.
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yeah...i'm going to pass on this movie
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Bwahaha, omg sheeeyat.