Unpopular opinion numero 3: Sengoku 3 is boring

DevilRedeemed · Dec 20, 2018

The graphics on the selectable characters are amazing, character design amongst the best of it's type, the controls are responsive and flashy

But the enemy are fucking crap, the game feels like you are playing against a legion o catatonic zombies. The standard enemy have 0 charm to them, seem to exist in a vortex where they are impulsed by nothing and you are compelled by very little to get rid of them.
What's the point of doing a super flashy combo on a plodding stiff limbed "opponent"?

The backrounds are shit, the level design is shit.

Basically on the one hand the selectable characters look and play incredibly, and on the other the enemy and backdrops are subsub-standard.
Almost feels like a demo with place holder enemies. A real shame.
I hate it

famicommander · Dec 20, 2018

Not as boring as Sengoku 1.

DevilRedeemed · Dec 20, 2018

Famicommander said:
Not as boring as Sengoku 1.

For its time though, Sengoku 1 made somewhat sense. I have a soft spot for many/most early neo games (i.e. Ninja Combat). Their rusticity is forgivable

WoodyXP · Dec 20, 2018

Sengoku 2 is where it's at. The other two can fuck off.

Atro · Dec 20, 2018

Sengoku 3 is an amazing game. I once didn't liked it because I had my Final Fight mindset turned on. The game is supposed to be played like SENGOKU 3, not like FF.

The combo system is amazing, so does the OST. The only complain I have about the game, is that you never have a great variety of different enemy sprites on screen at the same time. That, really bothers me. The game is very enjoyable is you care to know what you have to do right.

DevilRedeemed · Dec 20, 2018

Atro said:
Sengoku 3 is an amazing game. I once didn't liked it because I had my Final Fight mindset turned on. The game is supposed to be played like SENGOKU 3, not like FF.

The combo system is amazing, so does the OST. The only complain I have about the game, is that you never have a great variety of different enemy sprites on screen at the same time. That, really bothers me. The game is very enjoyable is you care to know what you have to do right.

Doesn't it feel like a drag fighting enemies that barely move though? Honest question. I want to feel I'm fighting something that fights back with similar aplomb. I don't see it that similar to other Sengoku games, they are a lot more dynamic. To me at least

Niko · Dec 20, 2018

I actually prefer Sengoku 1 & 3 to 2.

3 needs a rebalance hack and it would be 10x better.

liwer · Dec 20, 2018

Sengoku 3 is my favorite game in the series ...

I love that game

evil wasabi · Dec 20, 2018

A simple case of “oh, it’s worth more than $200 now? I love it.”

But yeah, back in 2001 it was widely considered to be boring.

[OCEAN] · Dec 21, 2018

Unpopular opinion? I always thought that was the popular opinion about Sengoku 3...

It has awesome production values, tight controls and a great combo system, but the level pacing, structure and enemy spawns, behavior and variety make it a incredibly dull experience.

Niko said:
3 needs a rebalance hack and it would be 10x better.

Agreed!

DevilRedeemed · Dec 21, 2018

[OCEAN] said:
Unpopular opinion? I always thought that was the popular opinion about Sengoku 3...

It has awesome production values, tight controls and a great combo system, but the level pacing, structure and enemy spawns, behavior and variety make it a incredibly dull experience.

Agreed!

I could have sworn that it was a generally well received scrolling beat'em up

evil wasabi · Dec 21, 2018

DevilRedeemed said:
I could have sworn that it was a generally well received scrolling beat'em up

It was “great” after it started selling >450. Before that it was a joke. The same effect can be seen in other overpriced games.

Ip Man · Dec 21, 2018

Atro said:
Sengoku 3 is an amazing game. I once didn't liked it because I had my Final Fight mindset turned on. The game is supposed to be played like SENGOKU 3, not like FF.

The combo system is amazing, so does the OST. The only complain I have about the game, is that you never have a great variety of different enemy sprites on screen at the same time. That, really bothers me. The game is very enjoyable is you care to know what you have to do right.

+1

love the game. could even go as far as saying it's one of my favourite beat em ups. it's like if they turned strider into a side scrolling beat em up. great stuff.

evil wasabi · Dec 21, 2018

Wow...

Ip Man · Dec 21, 2018

Evil Wasabi said:
Wow...

how's that for an unpopular opinion!

evil wasabi · Dec 21, 2018

Comparing sengoku2001 to strider goes beyond unpopular opinion.

Late · Dec 21, 2018

Evil Wasabi said:
It was “great” after it started selling >450. Before that it was a joke. The same effect can be seen in other overpriced games.

Stakes Winner II anyone?

Ip Man · Dec 21, 2018

Evil Wasabi said:
Comparing sengoku2001 to strider goes beyond unpopular opinion.

yeah, so add extra point to it.

eek · Dec 21, 2018

The game looked nice but was really really repetitive. When I first played the game my thought after the first level was: I paid $150 for this? what a waste. And before you ask, I don't own this game anymore.

Sega and Capcom just made better beat 'em ups.

DevilRedeemed · Dec 21, 2018

Evil Wasabi said:
It was “great” after it started selling >450. Before that it was a joke. The same effect can be seen in other overpriced games.

Funny how these things go sometimes lol. Sometimes they end up coming full circle

wyo · Dec 21, 2018

I haven't played Sengoku 3 enough to form a strong opinion on it, other than it is the only game of its type on the Neo that doesn't look terrible.

Yoshi · Dec 21, 2018

wyo said:
I haven't played Sengoku 3 enough to form a strong opinion on it, other than it is the only game of its type on the Neo that doesn't look terrible.

This is an important point. While the Neo more than held its own against the CPS family in other genres, it got its ass handed to it in beat'em ups. That may be why Sengoku 3 commands the price it does in the first place.

DevilRedeemed · Dec 21, 2018

Yoshi said:
This is an important point. While the Neo more than held its own against the CPS family in other genres, it got its ass handed to it in beat'em ups. That may be why Sengoku 3 commands the price it does in the first place.

I think it's down to the high production values and relatively low run since it came out just as SNK was drawing it's final breath.
The neo began to steam forward around 92 or 93 when scrolling beat'em ups where begining to lose their appeal and vs fighting games where entering their golden age. Capcom was there from the start with the side scrollers, and had the know how to continue popping them out effortlessly. SNK never made a concerted effort in the traditional side scrolling fighting game realm (Sengoku 3 is a traditional scrolling beat'em up as opposed to part 1 and 2).

bello · Dec 24, 2018

Never liked Sengoku 1 and 2. Sengoku 3 is amazing with great soundtrack!

NeoSneth · Dec 24, 2018

I do think it's better than S1 and S2, but it really does get repetitive. It wouldn't even fall in a top 10 for me.
You really have to limit your CC's to make it interesting.

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