Anthony Kennedy retires next month.

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SML

NEANDERTHAL FUCKER,
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So, swing-vote Anthony Kennedy is retiring.

Who will 45 put in his place?

Swapping in Gorsuch for Scalia didn't make waves since their politics were pretty much going to be identical.

But this is Trump's opportunity to install a generational 5-4 conservative majority.

What will he do with it?
 
fake

fake

Ned's Ninja Academy Dropout
15 Year Member
"How much irreparable damage could Trump really do?"

Now your daughters will be getting coat hanger abortions. Good job. ;)
 
Jibbajaba

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fakeXsound said:
"How much irreparable damage could Trump really do?"

Now your daughters will be getting coat hanger abortions. Good job. ;)
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This exactly. So many people voted for Trump just because he wasn't Clinton, or because they thought it would be funny, or because they figured he couldn't do that much harm. I'd like to see the corporate Democrats put up some resistance, maybe making the case that they don't want a president who's currently under investigation for collusion with a semi-hostile foreign power appointing another supreme court justice, but I won't get my hopes up.
 
evil wasabi

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Past few weeks have been fucking horrible for the US constitution. First Thomas tried to excuse the refusal to serve customers on the basis of sexuality because making a cake is a form of expression.

Now you get Goresuch saying that the first amendment is at stake with unions demanding fees for bargaining higher wages for workers.

Never mind SCOTUS denying cert to Charles Rhines, after a jury stated that life in prison would be lots of fun for a gay, so they sentenced him to death instead. And fuck Rhines for being a murderer, but we don’t get to say “well if he was straight we would have sentenced him to life in prison.”

Travel ban on -certain- Muslims, with the slipshod excuse that used from Korematsu.
 
LoneSage

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fakeXsound said:
"How much irreparable damage could Trump really do?"

Now your daughters will be getting coat hanger abortions. Good job. ;)
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If Roe V. Wade is ever repealed - and, to me, I think that is highly super unlikely - then I think there should be massive protests around the country teetering on rebellion. I might even come home to join the fight if it comes to it.

It is such a shame that this is still a point of contention and, I hate to admit it, a point to the lack of education a lot of Americans possess.
 
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LoneSage said:
If Roe V. Wade is ever repealed - and, to me, I think that is highly super unlikely - then I think there should be massive protests around the country teetering on rebellion. I might even come home to join the fight if it comes to it.

It is such a shame that this is still a point of contention and, I hate to admit it, a point to the lack of education a lot of Americans possess.
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Trump v. Hawaii is on the path. It's not korematsu or dred scott, but it's on the path.
 
Neo Alec

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I blame all the kids who said they "don't care." I'm talking about the millenials who couldn't hold their nose and vote for Clinton, and instead elected to not do their civic duty. This should be a very hard lesson for them.

...if they care about anything other than themselves.
 
evil wasabi

evil wasabi

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I can’t point a singular finger for the blame.

Clinton wasn’t charismatic
DWS rigged the democratic primaries
Russian funded advertisements
Reality TV Americans
The failure of the GOP to maintain their party ideals
Obama going soft on his scotus pick
Everyone who allowed the narrative to be controlled by the Tucker Carlsons and Ben Shapiros and Alex Joneses of the USA.
 
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fake

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Seriously - there was a decent amount of stuff Obama did and said that pissed me off. But I really hate that he didn't kick and scream about being denied a Supreme Court pick. It could turn out to be his biggest mistake.
 
lithy

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Neo Alec said:
I blame all the kids who said they "don't care." I'm talking about the millenials who couldn't hold their nose and vote for Clinton, and instead elected to not do their civic duty. This should be a very hard lesson for them.

...if they care about anything other than themselves.
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lol

Apparently Democratic voters still haven't learned the lessons of 2016.
 
lithy

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Evil Wasabi said:
Enjoy America while you can. It’s disappearing.
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While I wouldn't say I am enjoying anything, I also personally don't think that much has changed and if America is disappearing, then that process started a long time before 2016. I didn't reply to your post because it was reasoned and found fault with both sides.

This mess on the other hand...

Neo Alec said:
I blame all the kids who said they "don't care." I'm talking about the millenials who couldn't hold their nose and vote for Clinton, and instead elected to not do their civic duty. This should be a very hard lesson for them.

...if they care about anything other than themselves.
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Simultaneously admits that Clinton was a garbage candidate but that it was your civic duty to suck it up and elect her anyway and if you don't, you don't care about anyone but yourself.

This should be a very hard lesson but not for the people Neo Alec thinks. Instead it should be a lesson for the Democratic party (along with the recent NY primary winner that ran as a Democratic Socialist). Instead Neo Alec is still placing the blame at voters that didn't get out to support Clinton, a strategy that will definitely work in 2018 and 2020 :thevt::thevt:.
 
SpamYouToDeath

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lithy said:
Instead Neo Alec is still placing the blame at voters that didn't get out to support Clinton, a strategy that will definitely work in 2018 and 2020 :thevt::thevt:.
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I'll gladly take my share of the blame - I should have voted for Clinton. I assumed the GOP leadership wouldn't budge on their ideological commitments - stuff like family values and free trade - given that they spent about 10 years simply voting in protest over them. Instead they caved to their Dear Leader immediately, with no sign of reflection or remorse. They retreated from every policy position that I found remotely compelling, and fully embraced their monstrosity. (Kudos to both my Republican senators for standing their ground in the face of this onslaught.)

Priority one is now to simply end this madness. I look forward to the day I can be a centrist again.
 
Neo Alec

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For sure there is blame to go all around. Democrats basically made a deal with the devil in 2008 when nominating Obama. We all quietly agreed that it was Hillary's "turn" next. This is the problem with the situation the Democrats were in. I was a Bernie supporter. But I firmly believe it became a choice between the lesser of the two evils. Anyone who equated the evils of Hillary with the evils of Trump is part of the problem (or one of the many problems) that led to the situation we're in now. You're right, blaming voters who abstained because of Hillary is just my latest blame du jour.

I agree with Wasabi. Of course there are so many tiny choices that led to Trump's election and the mess we're in. If Comey hadn't reopened the investigation into Hillary before the election. If the investigation into Trump had become public knowledge. If the Democrats didn't hold closed primaries in key states like NY, that could have gone for Bernie. If the electoral college was just a little bit less broken. If Facebook had vetted their advertisers a little better. Hell, if John Stewart had just waited an extra year to retire! It was close enough, that any small amount could have tipped things the other way.

But so many what if's... It's plenty to drive a liberal crazy. On top of the fact that the Supreme Court already cheated Gore in 2000. At any rate, we're stuck in this mess now.
 
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lithy

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Neo Alec said:
For sure there is blame to go all around.
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Oh, maybe he gets it!

Neo Alec said:
Democrats basically made a deal with the devil in 2008 when nominating Obama. We all quietly agreed that it was Hillary's "turn" next. This is the problem with the situation the Democrats were in. I was a Bernie supporter.
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Yup, now you're getting there. It being Hillary's 'turn' was not enough to get people excited for her. She got beat by Obama in 2008 because he was young, charismatic, and full of hope and change dreams. Do you think 8 more years made Hillary any younger? Did she connect any better with voters (no she probably did worse, because it was her 'turn', the coronation had already commenced)? Did she offer anything new or exciting to the legion of young, Democratic voters that Obama brought in?

Neo Alec said:
But I firmly believe it became a choice between the lesser of the two evils. Anyone who equated the evils of Hillary with the evils of Trump is part of the problem (or one of the many problems) that led to the situation we're in now. You're right, blaming voters who abstained because of Hillary is just my latest blame du jour.
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Oh, so a minute ago, the Democrats made a deal with the devil (interesting note about deals with the devil; they rarely work out well for the one that signs on the dotted line, unless your name is Johnny), but now you're back to saying that your side STILL had it right and that anyone that didn't go along with the grand plan is part of the problem. Still so misguided, so myopic. Going into 2016, all the commentariat was all about how the coming blowout was going to be a crisis for the GOP. In the end it should have been an awakening for the Democrats. Instead, they'll continue to cast blame on the voters that didn't get the message, which will definitely not bring them back on board for the next election cycle.

Neo Alec said:
On top of the fact that the Supreme Court already cheated Gore in 2000.
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lol, thanks, I needed that.
 
Neo Alec

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fakeXsound said:
Huh?
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That was the mood I felt in 2008. Democrats basically silently said, "Hillary will have her turn. But we're hot for Obama now." And the chickens came home to roost in 2016. The system of succession was a clear sign of problems with the party.

lithy said:
Oh, so a minute ago, the Democrats made a deal with the devil (interesting note about deals with the devil; they rarely work out well for the one that signs on the dotted line, unless your name is Johnny), but now you're back to saying that your side STILL had it right and that anyone that didn't go along with the grand plan is part of the problem. Still so misguided, so myopic. Going into 2016, all the commentariat was all about how the coming blowout was going to be a crisis for the GOP. In the end it should have been an awakening for the Democrats. Instead, they'll continue to cast blame on the voters that didn't get the message, which will definitely not bring them back on board for the next election cycle.
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Sounds like you're blaming me. It would be naive to believe that liberals' relationship with the Democratic party is anything less than "complicated". I agree with you that the whole situation is farcical. But we have a far from perfect system, and the choice we ended up was still a clear one.
 
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NEANDERTHAL FUCKER,
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I don't think things have gone well for "succession" candidates in general. Bush Sr. served one term, Gore lost, McCain lost, Romney lost, Clinton lost...

It's a sort of paradox. When party leadership is too dysfunctional to install its preferred candidate, the party seems to do better.
 
joe8

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wyo said:
He's on the phone with Judge Judy right now.
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LOL.
I shouldn't laugh, actually. That might end up coming true. Nothing can be ruled out with Trump. As far as I know, the president can nominate any American citizen to be a Supreme Court Justice. But I doubt the Republicans in the Senate would support Judith Sheindlin's nomination.
 
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Marek

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joe8 said:
LOL.
I shouldn't laugh, actually. That might end up coming true. Nothing can be ruled out with Trump. As far as I know, the president can pick any American citizen to be a Supreme Court Justice. But I doubt the Republicans in Congress would support Judge Judy's nomination.
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The irony is that judge judy would shit on the Donald's agenda
 
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