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It's not about holding Wilder in high esteem, it's about recognizing that Fury has always been a hype job and now he's a shot hype job.

He beat a completely shot, stationary target in Wlad and even then he only landed 9 punches per round.

Fury has no stamina, no power, and most importantly a glass chin. Here he is getting floored by a blown up cruiserweight:
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And here he is getting knocked down by a total journeyman scrub:
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And that's Fury before he went on his 3 year cocaine/Twinkie/booze binge. No way his chin is better now that it was then.

Fury's only good win came against a shot fighter.
 

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Heavyweight needs a few more Wilders around. People like to watch boxing but they tune in hoping to see fighting.
 

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Heavyweight needs a few more Wilders around. People like to watch boxing but they tune in hoping to see fighting.

Very few people can fight like Wilder and get away with it.

His massive power, range, speed, stamina, and chin hide his obvious deficiencies in accuracy, balance, defense, and timing.

If he had started boxing as a kid instead of as a 19 year old college kid with children of his own to take care of, there's no telling how good he would be now.
 

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It's not about holding Wilder in high esteem, it's about recognizing that Fury has always been a hype job and now he's a shot hype job.

He beat a completely shot, stationary target in Wlad and even then he only landed 9 punches per round.

Fury has no stamina, no power, and most importantly a glass chin. Here he is getting floored by a blown up cruiserweight:
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And here he is getting knocked down by a total journeyman scrub:
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And that's Fury before he went on his 3 year cocaine/Twinkie/booze binge. No way his chin is better now that it was then.

Fury's only good win came against a shot fighter.

Fair enough. You know a lot more than I do about the sport. We'll see how it pans out
 

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Fury will get his ass handed to him but still looking forward to the fight. Stranger things have happened in this sport.
 

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Too true, nobody and i mean nobody hate's tyson fury more than me, but talk's cheap and him and wilder are a right pair of gobshites, so we'll see when they get into the ring.
Seriously, i don't rate either of them that highly, and i certainly don't share fami's hard on for wilder (he's one of the best of a bad bunch far as i'm concerned) but he should despatch fury (fingers crossed) when the fight happen's come november.
Top 10 heavyweights in the rankings are laughable TBH, the premier division in the fight game died a death years ago.
Gone are the day's when you could whistle into an american boxing gym and call out half a dozen class heavyweights, and sadly the division is all the poorer for it.
 

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Wilder
Joshua
Ortiz
Pulev
Povetkin
Miller
Whyte
Breazeale
Chisora
Parker

It's a three fighter division as far as I am concerned. Wilder beat Ortiz, Joshua hasn't beaten anybody.
 
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Wilder
Joshua
Ortiz
Pulev
Povetkin
Miller
Whyte
Breazeale
Chisora
Parker

It's a three fighter division as far as I am concerned. Wilder best Ortiz, Joshua hasn't besten anybody.
Oh god, that list say's it all fami, nuff said.....
 

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Some good fights on ESPN tomorrow night

Raymundo Beltran vs. Jose Pedraza, 12 rounds, for Beltran's WBO lightweight title
Isaac Dogboe vs. Hidenori Otake, 12 rounds, for Dogboe's WBO junior featherweight title

The winner of Beltran vs Pedraza is already signed for a unification fight with Vasyl Lomachenko. So it would be to unify the WBO/WBA/Ring titles, and it's possible the IBO could award the winner their vacant belt as well.

I would expect Beltran to beat Pedraza and then lose to Lomachenko, but we'll see.
 

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Surprising win for Pedraza last night.

Lomachenko vs Pedraza in December to unify the WBA/WBO/Ring and possibly vacant iBO lightweight titles
 

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Wanheng Menayothin beat Pedro Taduran today to retain his WBC Strawweight championship. In doing so, he moves his record to a perfect 51-0-0-0.

So if he retires before he gets beat, he breaks Floyd's record for most wins by an undefeated world champion.

Of course, he's still only got one belt in one weight class. He's been champion since November 2014 and has not tried to unify with any of the other champions or thought about moving up in weight. He's just picking off contenders with his one belt.
 
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Wanheng Menayothin beat Pedro Taduran today to retain his WBC Strawweight championship. In doing so, he moves his record to a perfect 51-0-0-0.

So if he retires before he gets beat, he breaks Floyd's record for most wins by an undefeated world champion.

Of course, he's still only got one belt in one weight class. He's been champion since November 2014 and has not tried to unify with any of the other champions or thought about moving up in weight. He's just picking off contenders with his one belt.

I don't begrudge him this, considering the "fight" that handed mayweather the record wasn't even against a boxer.
 

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That's true, the McGregor fight was a joke.

But still, Floyd moved up and down in weight and fought several unification fights. And the names he beat include Manny Pacquiao, Shane Mosley, Oscar De La Hoya, Canelo Alvarez, Juan Manuel Marquez, Miguel Cotto, Zab Judah, Arturo Gatti, Ricky Hatton, Jose Luis Castillo (twice), Marcos Maidana (twice), Carlos Baldomir, Jesus Chavez, Diego Corrales, Genaro Hernandez, Andre Berto, Victor Ortiz, Carlos Hernandez, Demarcus Corley, Sharmba Mitchell, Robert Guerrero, Gregorio Vargas... all of those dudes were world champions. Most are multi-time, multi-division champions. At least half a dozen are hall of famers. 24/50 fights (49 if you don't count McGregor) were against guys who were world champions. That's god damn insane.

Menayothin has fought exactly one world champion... the one he beat for the title.
 

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I agree, the Conor fight should have been exhibition only. Straight BS to get to 50-0.

If you go by points which he usually wins by, he lost to Manny but somehow still got the victory, shocking.
 

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That's true, the McGregor fight was a joke.

But still, Floyd moved up and down in weight and fought several unification fights. And the names he beat include Manny Pacquiao, Shane Mosley, Oscar De La Hoya, Canelo Alvarez, Juan Manuel Marquez, Miguel Cotto, Zab Judah, Arturo Gatti, Ricky Hatton, Jose Luis Castillo (twice), Marcos Maidana (twice), Carlos Baldomir, Jesus Chavez, Diego Corrales, Genaro Hernandez, Andre Berto, Victor Ortiz, Carlos Hernandez, Demarcus Corley, Sharmba Mitchell, Robert Guerrero, Gregorio Vargas... all of those dudes were world champions. Most are multi-time, multi-division champions. At least half a dozen are hall of famers. 24/50 fights (49 if you don't count McGregor) were against guys who were world champions. That's god damn insane.

Menayothin has fought exactly one world champion... the one he beat for the title.
I respect him in the ring as a boxer and a great champion but good god he's boring to watch over 12 rounds.
Apart from the odd fight where he's actually opened up he is defence minded and the word cagey was meant for him, i know not getting hit is one of the basics of boxing but his leaning back and raising his shoulder get's tiresome.
Outside the ring i got zero respect for him, asshole of a human being, sorry to anybody who's a fan of him, but that's how i see the guy.
 

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This says a lot about your knowledge about scoring.

The scores were 10 rounds to 2 (118-110) and 8 rounds to 4 x 2 (116-112). How did you have it?

Floyd threw more power punches, landed more power punches, landed a higher percentage of power punches, threw more jabs, landed more jabs, landed a higher percentage of jabs.

Pacquiao landed more punches than Mayweather in exactly two rounds -- the 4th and the 10th. He landed more power punches in 3 rounds. He landed single digit punches in nine rounds.

https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/view.php?pg=mayweather-pacquiao-compubox

Beyond the punch stats, Pacquiao couldn't do anything. Ineffective from the outside, unable to walk Floyd down, and when he did get inside he just waded in lazily and let himself be tied up. No punching his way in, no infighting, no rough tactics. Totally passive.

The fight wasn't remotely close. Pacquiao landed maybe half a dozen good shots the whole fight, none of which hurt Floyd.

Maidana gave Floyd a way better fight. Castillo gave him a way better fight, twice. Zab Judah gave him a way better fight.
 
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alright dudes, massive boxing weekend ahead of us

The big one is on Showtime, 9:00 PM Eastern on Saturday:
Shawn Porter vs Danny Garcia, 12 rounds for the vacant WBC Welterweight Championship
Yordenis Ugas vs Cesar Miguel Barrionuevo, 12 rounds, welterweight
Charles Martin vs Adam Kownacki, 10 rounds, heavyweight

ESPN+ card, 7:00 AM Eastern on Saturday:
Luis Concepcion vs. Andrew Moloney, 12 rounds, super flyweight
Tim Tszyu vs. Marcos Jesus Cornejo, 12 rounds, super welterweight

HBO card. 12:45 AM Eastern on Saturday:
Donnie Nietes vs Aston Palicte, 12 rounds for the vacant WBO Super Flyweight Championship
Juan Francisco Estrada vs. Felipe Orucuta, 12 rounds, super flyweight
McWilliams Arroyo vs. Kazuto Ioka, 10 rounds, super flyweight

British TV, Saturday:
Amir Khan vs Samuel Vargas, 12 rounds, welterweight
Tommy Langford vs Jason Welborn, 12 rounds, middleweight

Porter vs Garcia is a potential fight of the year candidate, and that whole HBO card should be very good. All those guys throw punches in high volume.
 

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alright dudes, massive boxing weekend ahead of us

The big one is on Showtime, 9:00 PM Eastern on Saturday:
Shawn Porter vs Danny Garcia, 12 rounds for the vacant WBC Welterweight Championship
Yordenis Ugas vs Cesar Miguel Barrionuevo, 12 rounds, welterweight
Charles Martin vs Adam Kownacki, 10 rounds, heavyweight

ESPN+ card, 7:00 AM Eastern on Saturday:
Luis Concepcion vs. Andrew Moloney, 12 rounds, super flyweight
Tim Tszyu vs. Marcos Jesus Cornejo, 12 rounds, super welterweight

HBO card. 12:45 AM Eastern on Saturday:
Donnie Nietes vs Aston Palicte, 12 rounds for the vacant WBO Super Flyweight Championship
Juan Francisco Estrada vs. Felipe Orucuta, 12 rounds, super flyweight
McWilliams Arroyo vs. Kazuto Ioka, 10 rounds, super flyweight

British TV, Saturday:
Amir Khan vs Samuel Vargas, 12 rounds, welterweight
Tommy Langford vs Jason Welborn, 12 rounds, middleweight

Porter vs Garcia is a potential fight of the year candidate, and that whole HBO card should be very good. All those guys throw punches in high volume.

Porter and Garcia should be a great fight. They have been talking smack for a while, so it is time to settle it.
 

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Hell yes. Also, Nietes is going for a world title in his fourth weight class. If he wins, it puts him on this list as the only guys to ever do it: Tommy Hearns, Sugar Ray Leonard, Roberto Duran, Pernell Whitaker, Oscar De La Hoya, Leo Gamez, Roy Jones Jr, Floyd Mayweather Jr, Manny Pacquiao, Erik Morales, Jorge Arce, Nonito Donaire, Juan Manuel Marquez, Miguel Cotto, Adrien Broner, Roman Gonzalez, and Mikey Garcia.

And finally, Vegas has come through with the cash for Wilder vs Fury. Both fighters will be guaranteed a minimum of 20 million dollars and then they're going to split the PPV revenue. If the fight does okay they'll make an extra 5-10 million each, but if it does crazy numbers they could make 50+ million each.

Compare this to Joshua, who wanted Wilder to take a 15 million dollar flat fee while Joshua kept all the PPV money. Joshua vs Wilder would be a bigger, far more lucrative fight than this Fury fight. And Wilder still was willing to take that deal, and travel to the UK, and let Joshua pick the judges and the ref, and give Joshua an automatic rematch if he beats him. And Joshua still ducked.
 

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The scores were 10 rounds to 2 (118-110) and 8 rounds to 4 x 2 (116-112). How did you have it?

Floyd threw more power punches, landed more power punches, landed a higher percentage of power punches, threw more jabs, landed more jabs, landed a higher percentage of jabs.

Pacquiao landed more punches than Mayweather in exactly two rounds -- the 4th and the 10th. He landed more power punches in 3 rounds. He landed single digit punches in nine rounds.

https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/view.php?pg=mayweather-pacquiao-compubox

Beyond the punch stats, Pacquiao couldn't do anything. Ineffective from the outside, unable to walk Floyd down, and when he did get inside he just waded in lazily and let himself be tied up. No punching his way in, no infighting, no rough tactics. Totally passive.

The fight wasn't remotely close. Pacquiao landed maybe half a dozen good shots the whole fight, none of which hurt Floyd.

Maidana gave Floyd a way better fight. Castillo gave him a way better fight, twice. Zab Judah gave him a way better fight.

Don't ever use compubox as a reference, have you not seen the countless videos where no one is punching but the bigger draw in the fight is accumulating punch credits in compubox.

If you actually watch the fight with the sound off, you'll see what I mean. It was a closer fight than people think. The round stealing flurries is what made people think otherwise. There were even rounds where Pac clearly landed almost twice the amount of punches but the judges still gave it to Floyd.

But anyway, just looking forward to the Garcia/Porter and GGG/Canelo fights coming up.
 

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The Amir Khan fight tomorrow is on Facebook and Twitter, on the DAZN account's stream. Supposed to start around 5:00 ET.

So

ESPN+ at 7:00 AM Eastern, DAZN at 5:00 PM Eastern, Showtime at 9:00 PM Eastern, HBO at 12:45 AM Eastern. Plenty of good fights.
 
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