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    Quote Originally Posted by jro View Post
    Wait, wait, serious question instead- any notable instances where you used force with an inmate?

    edit again- the pay's pretty good? That's good to hear. From what I've been led to believe in the articles decrying the American prison system, the vast majority of American prison workers are paid far too little. From both what I've read and personal anecdotal experience, seems like a decent number of them are dudes who would be cops if they could get the cash together to get through an academy and get state certified. And the private prison companies, oh boy.

    And one other question (though feel free not to answer if you don't want to, for whatever reason)- what's your actual position?

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    nonono make no mistake, prison guards are paid garbage for what they have to do. It's insulting.

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    how close to reality is the show "Lock Up?...I watch it regularly and I can never tell how much the guards / inmates are playing shit up for the camera

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    Quote Originally Posted by ballzdeepx View Post
    Viewing and convicting drug users as criminals, but alcoholism as a disease is just one example of how we need to change views as a society and not necessarily fill up our prisons while ruining someone's life. The war on drugs was a complete failure.
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    Have you met anyone you actually believe is innocent of their charges? If so, do you treat them any different?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tripredacus View Post
    Didn't another member make this exact same topic? Some KLOVer?
    That thread was... indulgent.
    Quote Originally Posted by SteveNK View Post
    You have to pay to become a cop?
    Going through the academy costs somewhere in the neighborhood of $5,000 or so. Not chump change. Then you get folks who can complete that, but for some reason can't come up with the last few hundred bucks to take the POST test to complete their certification, or do get it, let it lapse, then have to pay more to get it again. I've known several of the second type.

    Quote Originally Posted by OrochiEddie View Post
    nonono make no mistake, prison guards are paid garbage for what they have to do. It's insulting.

    I'm a psychologist.
    Ah, gotcha. You didn't sound like a guard. I had a friend whose husband was a guard at a privately run prison who I got to know, never known a psychologist.

    How reformable is the average con?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ballzdeepx View Post
    I recently heard Bryan Stevenson speak about how things are trending in respect to incarceration.
    https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/20342617-just-mercy

    Essentially he stated 1 in 3 African Americans males and 1 in 6 Latino Males will enter the prison system in their lifetime.

    In America people tend to not want to leave their comfort zones to reach out and help those who need it before its too late. The really sad part was that most people he talked to at a very young age have reconcilled to the fact they will be locked up, and now is the time to "get theirs".

    Viewing and convicting drug users as criminals, but alcoholism as a disease is just one example of how we need to change views as a society and not necessarily fill up our prisons while ruining someone's life. The war on drugs was a complete failure.

    Americans need to get proximate to people in need, even in uncomfotable situations and surroundings to help a person get a chance to change their life. Will everyone respond to it? No, but better if they do before going to prison, rather than after.
    Very much this. We have no problem shoving people into what you could consider a large farm for years at a time. Out of sight, out of mind, but they forget these people come home. Around 95-98% of inmates go home and will be leaving near you and next you. Yea, some did some bad shit, and so have a lot of people who have never gone to prison. I wish any inmate well. I want them to live happy productive lives....fewer people incarcerated, less need for prison, less money needed, and more people paying in. Incarceration makes us all poorer when you think about it that way.

    It is also super tragic that the first time some of these people get ANY help is when in jail or prison (Jail = pre-trial and short sentences Prison = committed individuals usually serving over a year). True, some of that is due to their actions, but sometimes the access to help is scarce.
    Quote Originally Posted by FilthyRear View Post
    Have you ever found yourself in the middle of a huge brawl/riot?
    Yes, once. Was at a complex which multiple security levels on one grounds (so multiple prisons on one plot of land). I was a guest for the week, working in their psych department to help out. At the max, which is probably the scariest place I've ever been. We hear on the radio "we need....OH SHIT" and then the sirens started going off. Shit was popping off at the medium. So we are bolting out of the max to get to the medium. It is real surreal, the sirens are going off and you see hundreds of inmates dropping to the ground because if they don't in about a minute they get shot from the guard tower, and not rubber bullets, shoot to kill bullets. So we bolt on, hop in the back of a pick-up and fly to the medium. I should probably explain that depending on the system you work in, no matter your position you are also law enforcement, so here I am, a fucking psych intern (hadn't graduated yet) and I'm also allowed to carry OC spray (basically mace). So we get there and there are maybe 3-4 rival gang factions having a brawl. It was started to get controlled by the time we get there, but lot of weapons everywhere, drugs, and just carnage. You look to your right and there is a man with this giant rifle sitting in a pick-up ready to blast anyone that acts out. People walking around with these giant cannons that disperse OC.

    Here is the thing that really gets you, and something I keep in mind in my job. We are insanely outnumbered. We have like....couple hundred inmates surrounded by maybe 100 staff. Sure we got weapons, but they are way better fighters and in way better shape. They can fuck you up in a heartbeat. In reality we have control of the situation because they let us have it. It's funny in hindsight, but at the time it was really unnerving.

    Quote Originally Posted by F4U57 View Post
    Have you seen anyone get murdered; post or as it happened?
    Nah. Saw a few fights. Inhaled some OC once, but no murder.

    Quote Originally Posted by Neodogg View Post
    What's your worst fear working in a prison...
    Safety is always #1. Again, they can fuck you up in a moments notice. I've helped escort inmates on a few occasions, and...hopefully it makes sense, they are fucking physically dense, like a human brick. I workout 4 times a week, I feel like I'm in decent shape, but they are on something cosmic, it'd be like being punched by a train.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rot View Post
    Which member would you like to see behind bars?

    xROTx
    People who do white collar crimes get bullshit sentences, like 6 months for stealing millions of dollars. Guy with enough heroin for personal use gets way more.


    So Dion would be my answer.

    Quote Originally Posted by SteveNK View Post
    Are there any crooked prison guards in your prison and if so does everyone know who they are?

    Would you fuck a female inmate, if you were offered a role in a women's prison?
    I don't know if crooked, but definitely lax and likely to be compromised. By that I mean, they let rules slide way too much or are way too comfy with the inmates. Even in my role I'm pretty impersonal. Some inmates will use ANY angle to cozy up to you to try and compromise you. It costs them nothing, and costs you your career. They may even work at it for years at a time. At the places I've been "crooked" staff are gone pretty fast.

    I can tell you a fun story though....
    Before I got to one of the institutions I interned at (40 hour weeks, basically it was full time) there was an officer who was maybe a year or two out from retirement. Decided to start smuggling drugs in for an inmate. The inmate asked what he wanted and the officer said he wanted to suck the inmates dick, and so this went on for a while until it was found out. Officer lost his job, pension, everything, and I think now drives a mail truck. Bear in mind this was the south so I think there was some repressed sexuality coming out in perverse ways.


    And no, absolutely not. Most women in prison are not attractive due to years of drug use and so on. Not only that it's completely unethical and against my personal morals. I guess if I FOR SURE wanted Hep C

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tripredacus View Post
    Didn't another member make this exact same topic? Some KLOVer?
    They did. They were a CO though. They had a much more dangerous job.

    Quote Originally Posted by oliverclaude View Post
    What do you think, is felony disenfranchisement justified? Could you buy votes in prison? Almost 6 million of them on the market makes one wonder.
    I think felony disenfranchisement is bullshit. Though a lot of felons love Trump so......


    Quote Originally Posted by awbacon View Post
    how close to reality is the show "Lock Up?...I watch it regularly and I can never tell how much the guards / inmates are playing shit up for the camera
    There is SOME hamming up, but also they gloss over some of the worst bullshit that happens. I watch it here and there. It's not that off.

    I also started Oz, which while dramatized, gives a fair portrayal of inmate politics and schemes.


    Quote Originally Posted by NeoTurfMasta View Post
    Have you met anyone you actually believe is innocent of their charges? If so, do you treat them any different?
    Innocent of some charges sure, but not sure of innocent of all charges. I also have met people who have been overly nailed by the justice system for what seems to be petty stuff.

    Wasabi may be able to better expand on this (since he is in the world of law), but depending on the state sentences can very wildly. For example, at my current prison we get A LOT of car jackings and burglary felons and they will get sentences of 12 months to 16 years. Obviously there are cases where it is due to it being a repeater offense, but a lot of times it is the judge wanting to "make an example" of the person or its an election year and they need to look tough. That to me is fucking insane and leads to this huge imbalance. One of the county jails I used to work in really shined a light on this. Inmates would FREAK or rejoice depending on who was the judge. One judge was heinous for giving out max sentences and the other was very treatment and recovery oriented.

    On the flip side, you best bet a lot of people in prison have done illegal (sometimes VERY illegal) stuff that they never got caught for.

    And no I never treat them different, that is unethical.


    Quote Originally Posted by jro View Post
    That thread was... indulgent.


    How reformable is the average con?
    That's a tough question. I'd say 70% of the work is getting inmates to want to change. That in itself is extremely difficult.

    To be really reductionist there tend to be two kinds of people when it comes to inmates. People that think they should all rot in hell and what are called "hug a thugs".

    The former are a problem because of reasons I have mentioned before. They don't see the human in front of them and think anyone who has ever been incarcerated is inherently bad and deserves to be treated like shit.

    The latter, your "Hug a thug" feels that every inmate is an innocent victim of system failing them. While there is some truth to that, which is a much larger issue, they forget that these people did commit crimes and did bad things. Just because their family abused them doesn't mean they didn't shoot someone in the face. They tend to think everyone is an injured lamb that just needs some extra love and they will be ok. That is hugely false. There are extremely dangerous people in prison who will kill you, manipulate you, and take advantage of you in every way possible. I have run into plenty of people who I would never want to meet in public because they are scary individuals.

    It is partly why internet tough-types crack me up these days. Some roided-out Florida suburb dweller doesn't know scary. When you meet the guy with "Fuck you" tattooed on his face, or you read their PSI and it reads like a saw film then you know fucking scary.



    If an opportunity ever presents itself to you to tour a prison take it and see for yourself. I think everyone should see what they are like and judge for themselves. I have a lot of issues with how American prisons are run, way too little in terms of restorative programming, but never forget there are scary fucking people in there. Adebisi is real.
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    What is the punishment for reneging on a deal in jail? For example losing to rcaido in his HDR throwdown match 15-0. Loser sends dick pics.

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    Is it possible to take a prison tour? Something I've always wanted to do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HDRchampion View Post
    What is the punishment for reneging on a deal in jail? For example losing to rcaido in his HDR throwdown match 15-0. Loser sends dick pics.
    Non-binding agreement. Maybe a civil suit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LoneSage View Post
    Is it possible to take a prison tour? Something I've always wanted to do.
    If you know anyone in the federal system its super easy. It's just a couple forms and you can follow someone for a day. For state systems it varies.
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    I didn't even talk about how you live in a shack and shit in the fucking forest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LoneSage View Post
    Is it possible to take a prison tour? Something I've always wanted to do.
    Why? So you can get assraped?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Evil Wasabi View Post
    Is it possible for you to review Bib’s file

    And give us some insight into his current state?
    Wouldn't you as a lawyer know more about this then us?

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    Quote Originally Posted by HDRchampion View Post
    What is the punishment for reneging on a deal in jail? For example losing to rcaido in his HDR throwdown match 15-0. Loser sends dick pics.
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    Non-binding agreement. Maybe a civil suit.

    Not my best moment for sure. Can't tell if my failure to provide would be worse than actually providing if I ever run for office.
    Wait...you mean the loser had to send the winner pictures of dicks? So the prize for victory was the opportunity to look at pictures of penises? That was the motivation for winning?

    Fagits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by neo_moe View Post
    Wait...you mean the loser had to send the winner pictures of dicks? So the prize for victory was the opportunity to look at pictures of penises? That was the motivation for winning?

    Fagits.
    You know you would have totally won right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Viewpoint View Post
    Wouldn't you as a lawyer know more about this then us?
    No. I don’t have access to prison records.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SonGohan View Post
    I didn't even talk about how you live in a shack and shit in the fucking forest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Evil Wasabi View Post
    No. I don’t have access to prison records.
    I meant in the legal sense I thought you knew what was and wasn't possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by neo_moe View Post
    Wait...you mean the loser had to send the winner pictures of dicks? So the prize for victory was the opportunity to look at pictures of penises? That was the motivation for winning?

    Fagits.
    Yes a picture of a defeated dick is so empowering!

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    What % of inmates would you say have some form of mental illness? Would they have ended up in the mental hospital if they came from families with more money?



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    Quote Originally Posted by GregN View Post
    What % of inmates would you say have some form of mental illness? Would they have ended up in the mental hospital if they came from families with more money?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SonGohan View Post
    I didn't even talk about how you live in a shack and shit in the fucking forest.
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    I mean, at least I didn't say your wife should divorce you or comment on your need to play RE while shitting or whatever else was said.

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    What are the logistics of the conjugal visit? Like is there a designated sex romp room? Are condoms and lube provided? Could that lube be used to slip through prison bars?

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    What's the percentages of inmates thinking "prison gay" isn't gay?

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