Louis CK is next man up in the Weinstein-Spacey chain

smokehouse

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The definition is so broad now we're basically all guilty at this point.

"All" being a ton of men and women...if an awkward sexual encounter...or calling someone "hot pants" is now rape/sexual harassment...then I'd say a large portion of the populace is guilty of that.
 

evil wasabi

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People need to stop giving a shit about other people’s personal problems.
 

smokehouse

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People need to stop giving a shit about other people’s personal problems.

Honestly...you're 100% correct.

The mass shaming of people really needs to stop, and people allowing themselves to be shamed by the actions of others needs to stop. Spurlock states repeatedly "I am part of the problem"....no, no he is not. He was a few people's problem, and that's it. It is/was his business as well as his "victims" and no one else....
 

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There's gonna be worse accusations for Spurlock. He's trying to get out in front of what's bound to come, I bet just about anything.

Also, Russell Simmons is up to a bunch of accusers, with four (I think) being rape.
 

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Starting to understand how the whole MGTOW thing came about.
 

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im not a victim?
let me go find something that makes me a victim.
 

evil wasabi

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Bumping this because of the times article in response to the golden globes - it sounds like it was a huge social-marketing joke of an award show.


Publicly, We Say #MeToo. Privately, We Have Misgivings.
You can be sure that this weekend at the Golden Globes, Hollywood celebrities, not exactly known for their independent thinking, will turn the red carpet into a #MeToo moment replete with designer duds. Many have promised to wear black dresses to protest the stream of allegations against industry moguls and actors. Perhaps Meryl Streep will get grilled — again — about what she knew about Harvey Weinstein. The rest of us will diligently follow along on Twitter, sharing hashtags and suitably pious opprobrium.

But privately, I suspect, many of us, including many longstanding feminists, will be rolling our eyes, having had it with the reflexive and unnuanced sense of outrage that has accompanied this cause from its inception, turning a bona fide moment of moral accountability into a series of ad hoc and sometimes unproven accusations.

For many weeks now, the conversation that has been going on in private about this reckoning is radically different from the public one. This is not a good sign, suggesting the sort of social intimidation that is the underside of a culture of political correctness, such as we are increasingly living in.

The women I know — of all ages — have responded by and large with a mixture of slightly horrified excitement (bordering on titillation) as to who will be the next man accused and overt disbelief.

Publicly, they say the right things, expressing approval and joining in the chorus of voices that applaud the takedown of maleficent characters who prey on vulnerable women in the workplace.

In private it's a different story. "Grow up, this is real life," I hear these same feminist friends say. "What ever happened to flirting?" and "What about the women who are the predators?" Some women, including random people I talk to in supermarket lines, have gone so far as to call it an outright witch hunt.

It goes without saying that no one is coming to the defense of heinous sorts, like Kevin Spacey and Matt Lauer. But the trickle-down effect to cases like those of Garrison Keillor, Jonathan Schwartz, Ryan Lizza and Al Franken, in which the accusations are scattered, anonymous or, as far as the public knows, very vague and unspecific, has been troubling.

Perhaps even more troubling is that we seem to be returning to a victimology paradigm for young women, in particular, in which they are perceived to be — and perceive themselves to be — as frail as Victorian housewives.

Consider the fact that the campaign last month against the Met to remove a Balthus painting that shows a young girl in a suggestive light was organized by two young Manhattan feminists. Fortunately, they were unsuccessful. This is the kind of censorship practiced by religious zealots.

What happened to women’s agency? That’s what I find myself wondering as I hear story after story of adult women who helplessly acquiesce to sexual demands. I find it especially curious given that a majority of women I know have been in situations in which men have come on to them — at work or otherwise. They have routinely said, "I'm not interested" or "Get your hands off me right now." And they’ve taken the risk that comes with it.

The fact that such unwelcome advances persist, and often in the office, is, yes, evidence of sexism and the abusive power of the patriarchy. But I don’t believe that scattershot, life-destroying denunciations are the way to upend it. In our current climate, to be accused is to be convicted. Due process is nowhere to be found.

And what exactly are men being accused of? What is the difference between harassment and assault and "inappropriate conduct"? There is a disturbing lack of clarity about the terms being thrown around and a lack of distinction regarding what the spectrum of objectionable behavior really is. Shouldn’t sexual harassment, for instance, imply a degree of hostility? Is kissing someone in affection, however inappropriately, or showing someone a photo of a nude male torso necessarily predatory behavior?

I think this confusion reflects a deeper ambivalence about how we want and expect people to behave. Expressing sexual interest is inherently messy and, frankly, nonconsensual — one person, typically the man, bites the bullet by expressing interest in the other, typically the woman — whether it happens at work or at a bar. Some are now suggesting that come-ons need to be constricted to a repressive degree. Asking for oral consent before proceeding with a sexual advance seems both innately clumsy and retrograde, like going back to the childhood game of "Mother, May I?" We are witnessing the re-moralization of sex, not via the Judeo-Christian ethos but via a legalistic, corporate consensus.


Stripping sex of eros isn't the solution. Nor is calling out individual offenders, one by one. We need a broader and more thoroughgoing overhaul, one that begins with the way we bring up our sons and daughters.

These are scary times, for women as well as men. There is an inquisitorial whiff in the air, and my particular fear is that in true American fashion, all subtlety and reflection is being lost. Next we’ll be torching people for the content of their fantasies.

compare this sentiment to hogwash that the Times published last night:
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/07/movies/golden-globes.html

Winners were expected to use their moments of glory to rail against the systemic sexism and silence that allowed the behavior of men like Mr. Weinstein, James Toback, Louis C.K. and Mr. Spacey to fester for decades.

This triggers my disbelief on so many levels
a) who the fuck is Toback?
b) Louis C.K. was a public masturbator, no one had to suck touch his dick;
c) Kevin Spacey accusers were mostly anonymous, except the that unknown guy from the unwatched star trek, and I am not sure if he was sexually harassing women;
d) no due process; everyone guilty before proven guilty;
e) who fucking cares when Trump is bulletproof to 14 distinct sexual harassment allegations, including rape. There's bigger fish to fry, and people are forgetting that.
 

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whatever happened to simpler times when Hollywood just accused people of being communist?
 

jro

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Now James Franco is getting it.

Shoulda let Wiseau talk.
 

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I'll be surprised if they can take down Franco. Those women are going to have a hard time saying an attractive actor forced them to do something they didn't want to do.
 

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Winning these dumb awards is now open season for accusations.
 

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Starting to understand how the whole MGTOW thing came about.

Yes, Its really fucked up now, kind of scary actually. How easy is it for some random chick to destroy a guys life. This whole Feminist movement is getting out of control and demonizing and shaming men for being too masculine and not some a little pussy. Next we'll have women telling Men to go on some estrogen therapy or something.

Like Wasabi said, Being a Victim is so hot right now. Let's all join the ME2 movement lol.
 
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fake

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I'll be surprised if they can take down Franco. Those women are going to have a hard time saying an attractive actor forced them to do something they didn't want to do.

Nah, I've heard he's a super creep for a long time.

Edit: Stan Lee is the latest. They say he asked his visiting nurse to play doctor or something.
 
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evil wasabi

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Nah, I've heard he's a super creep for a long time.

Edit: Stan Lee is the latest. They say he asked his visiting nurse to play doctor or something.

“the nursing company is currently in a legal dispute with the 95-year-old Marvel creator after nurses claimed he asked for oral sex in the shower and to be “pleasured” in his bedroom.

“He doesn’t seem to care what people think of him, he’s lost his filter,” a source told the tabloid. “There has been a stream of young nurses coming to his house in West Hollywood and he has been sexually harassing them. He finds it funny.””

Hero.
 

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The only real question... is will they air brush out all Stan Lees cameos in every single Marvel film?

The De-Specialised Editions...

xROTx
 

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“the nursing company is currently in a legal dispute with the 95-year-old Marvel creator after nurses claimed he asked for oral sex in the shower and to be “pleasured” in his bedroom.

“He doesn’t seem to care what people think of him, he’s lost his filter,” a source told the tabloid. “There has been a stream of young nurses coming to his house in West Hollywood and he has been sexually harassing them. He finds it funny.””

Hero.

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The only real question... is will they air brush out all Stan Lees cameos in every single Marvel film?

The De-Specialised Editions...

xROTx

I hear they're going to replace him with a Hayden Christiansen hologram.
 

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Have there been other Stan stories from the past of him doing this kind of thing?
 

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The guy is 95, cut him a fucking break. This type of thing is an occupational hazard when working with the elderly. Next we'll have strippers complaining about being objectified.
 

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The guy is 95, cut him a fucking break. This type of thing is an occupational hazard when working with the elderly. Next we'll have strippers complaining about being objectified.

More than cut him a break, it's their job to keep their fucking mouths shut and leave the guy with some dignity while his mind falls apart.

Unless they actually want to suck his dick, then they'll need to open their mouth I guess.
 
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