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    4K HD TV COMPATIBILITY WITH XRGB MINI AND RETRO SYSTEMS

    Hello all,

    I'm in the market for a new tv and currently considering a 4k hd but I'm unsure if it works the framemeister. Any body know if the framemeister works with 4k tv's? How does the scan lines look and any lags compare to the 1080 tv sets?

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    I don't have any first-hand experience, but I assume that a 4K TV will have to quadruple-upscale the 1080p signal that from the Framemeister, resulting in chunky pixels and lag. Maybe you should wait until a next-gen native 4K upscalar comes out?

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    I'm using xrgb mini with 4K projector without any problems. Scanlines look good and lag is no worse than with full hd tv. Picture is better than with my 1080p projector

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    most 4k can run in 1080p mode. you should be fine.
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    I've got one hooked up to 4k and like it just fine.

    I don't have a solid way to test lag but as far as I can tell it is not an issue for any of the games I've played. The scan lines though will be the same issue as always.

    I guess some of the issues will depend on the actual TV. I hear some have crappy upconverter/scalers or whatever and do produce a good bit of lag.
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    Quote Originally Posted by miisalo View Post
    I'm using xrgb mini with 4K projector without any problems. Scanlines look good and lag is no worse than with full hd tv. Picture is better than with my 1080p projector

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    Those scan lines looks great but I know the framemeister only displays the scan lines correctly on 720p. So am I suppose to look for a 4k tv that have the option down scale to 720? I know the scan lines looks terrible on 1080p.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FAT$TACKS View Post
    I've got one hooked up to 4k and like it just fine.

    I don't have a solid way to test lag but as far as I can tell it is not an issue for any of the games I've played. The scan lines though will be the same issue as always.

    I guess some of the issues will depend on the actual TV. I hear some have crappy upconverter/scalers or whatever and do produce a good bit of lag.
    I'm assuming the scan lines only looks good on 720p? Is there an option on your tv to change the output to 720p instead of 4k?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Archdesigner03 View Post
    So am I suppose to look for a 4k tv that have the option down scale to 720? I know the scan lines looks terrible on 1080p.
    3 * 720p = 2160p = 4K resolution. 720p material scales perfectly fine to 4K and scanlines scales like anything else in the picture. Scanlines looks crappy if you use 1080p resolution in xrgb, because it first scales and the applies scanlines and with 1080p scanlines are too thin compared to the actual pixels.
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    That is pretty much how it works out. Set your mini output to 720p and use your scanlines and let the tv do the rest. I've tried it with and without. Both options look good I think. I'll see if I can get some pictures up later

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    I also can't see any reason why a 4k TV will have issues providing the converter is outputting in in one of the standard resolutions accepted by panels.
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    My camera won't play well with the tv. I can't take a full screen shot and it look decent. Maybe its the lighting.

    Here are a few pictures that came out okay. They are just some close ups to show the scanlines on and on with them off.

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    My lag test is being able to grab a star card in SMB3. Lag will get you a flower card every time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FAT$TACKS View Post
    My camera won't play well with the tv. I can't take a full screen shot and it look decent. Maybe its the lighting.

    Here are a few pictures that came out okay. They are just some close ups to show the scanlines on and on with them off.

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    That looks pretty good, and good to know the scan lines scales with the pictures. Thank you for sharing dude.

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    Quote Originally Posted by K-2 View Post
    My lag test is being able to grab a star card in SMB3. Lag will get you a flower card every time.
    My lag test is fighting Soda Popinski in NES punch out, if there's lag I can't beat him, or I barely win and get slaughtered by Mr Sandman. On a real NES on a crt I can beat it easily, including Tyson.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GohanX View Post
    My lag test is fighting Soda Popinski in NES punch out, if there's lag I can't beat him, or I barely win and get slaughtered by Mr Sandman. On a real NES on a crt I can beat it easily, including Tyson.
    My lag test is surviving Contra or Metal Slug. With lag, it's pretty impossible

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    I know that this is an old thread but... is there any new information regarding this? I want to buy a new TV and it will probably be a 4K but I'm worried since most of my stuff is 1080p, including the Framemeister. Is there any drop in image quality? Any comparisons somewhere? Thanks!
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    Currently 4K TV's in general have no problems supporting 1080p signals. I wonder if that will become less true some day when 1080p is on the way out. Of course by then we'll probably all have 8K TV's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neo Alec View Post
    Currently 4K TV's in general have no problems supporting 1080p signals. I wonder if that will become less true some day when 1080p is on the way out. Of course by then we'll probably all have 8K TV's.
    Guess I'm more concerned about the quality of the picture.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rodolfocm View Post
    Guess I'm more concerned about the quality of the picture.
    If thatís true, you should use a screen optimized for the format you want to use i.e 240p or 480i. Anything else is a compromise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CrazyDean View Post
    If that’s true, you should use a screen optimized for the format you want to use i.e 240p or 480i. Anything else is a compromise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rodolfocm View Post
    Guess I'm more concerned about the quality of the picture.
    That's what I was referring to. They support the signal well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rodolfocm View Post
    I know that this is an old thread but... is there any new information regarding this? I want to buy a new TV and it will probably be a 4K but I'm worried since most of my stuff is 1080p, including the Framemeister. Is there any drop in image quality? Any comparisons somewhere? Thanks!
    Depends on the scaler in the TV. I've got a 65" Sony A1 OLED that does a decent job upscaling 480p/720/1080p content, but other models I've seen don't fare as well. Framemeister @720p looks about the same as it did on my old 1080p set.

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