Quinnspiracy/Gamergate

RabbitTroop said:

This guy writes super-guarded in his TL : DR posts. Definitely only telling us the parts of the story he wants us to hear, and I don't buy the panic attack stuff for a second. Feels a little whiny/mentally-unstable at best to flat out manipulative and using that as a way to hold on to her at worst. I'm sure she's just as bad as he says, but I am not buying his innocent lover act for a second.

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Yeah, after reading the ex-bf blog, they all sound like you're typical scumbags. She is for certain, but I'm sure he's just as damaged. It was all good for a lol though skimming 80% of it.

neo_moe said:

I haven't watched this video and don't really know the details of the story...but I just thought I would mention this.

There was a scandal at a previous company I worked for where a woman was using conference rooms in the office to have sex with multiple men during working hours.

When learning about that I think my initial reaction was that she was doing this to get ahead....but I asked some folks about it offline, and they told me that it wasn't a caclculated career move to get ahead by her at all, she was just having fun.

Couldn't that be the case here? Couln't this chick be looking for fun...and some dude(s) got attached/hurt along the way? Again, I haven't watched any of the videos so I could be way off base...but its just a thought that occurred to me.

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Moe, the problem here is that the people she fucked were industry folks that didn't recuse themselves over a conflict of interests when they should have.

No one cares that she's fucking dudes int he industry. It's that they're people that can influence her career path and they kept silent about it. Furthermore, the real controversy is that game journalism has jumped on the feminism bandwagon and the knee-jerk reaction is to automatically white knight any woman in the game industry so hard that there isn't even room for a dissenting opinion or to call a woman a bad person without being journalistically shelled into oblivion for it.

So you have people in positions of authority sleeping with her and then not recusing themselves. They continued to write positive articles about her, and defending her as the victim, because it's big news in the game journalism community and gets clicks.

And then when someone tries to take the opposite, but equally valid (with facts and logic), viewpoint, that person's views are suppressed, ignored or labeled as mysoginistic and attacked for the purpose of creating more news.

It's not journalism. Or, well, it is journalism, given the sad state of journalism these days. Either way, it's a problem.

I gotcha Taiso, you make some excellent points. I'll definitely watch those videos when I get home, I was just a bit reluctant to at work.

I have to be honest though, I needed to google "recuse"...

Lemony Vengeance said:

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Hit the nail on the head, LMAO

Also, I guess creator of Fez Phil Fish and gaming site polygon got hacked, and a bunch of Phil's personal info was leaked out. Not sure if it is retaliation because he supports Zoe, or because a few days ago he made some statement about Fez 2 never happening because "we don't deserve it" I could care less honestly. I have yet to play Fez, and i don't see myself playing it any time soon. Just thought it was a interesting bit of info to share here

munchiaz said:

Hit the nail on the head, LMAO

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I was talking about Lonsage's post.

and philet o'fish is a pompous ass. should have stayed retired. remember that? He also told us we weren't getting Fez 2 because we didn't deserve it then.

Now I know I'm being used
That's okay man cause I like the abuse
I know she's playing with me
That's okay cause I got no self esteem

lantus360 said:

Now I know I'm being used
That's okay man cause I like the abuse
I know she's playing with me
That's okay cause I got no self esteem

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I want to fuck you like an animal
I want to feel you from the inside

Dr Shroom said:

I want to fuck you like an animal
I want to feel you from the inside

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2000 zero zero party over,
oops out of time

Now there's the story today about Fish and Slam Piggy being "hacked" and Fish saying he wants to sell the rights off for Fez 2 or some bullshit. All I did was watch the Indy Game movie, saw how much of a prick he was and then saw how he acts to people on Twitter and totally wrote him and anybody he associates with off. Fucking one hit wonder douchbag. Fez 2 will never happen because it won't live up to the original and people that come out and say they won't like it he'll just throw a shitfit on them.

But in all seriousness, where's an actual good website, other then here, to get gaming news where the person writing it isn't getting sucked off?

Quinnspiracy

People give Jonathan Blow shit, but I dig the guy. Sure, he's pretentious as fuck, but deep down I get what he's trying to do with his games and whole indie ethics. It's like the older punk movement or something. Strip the games down and challenge the ideas of the mainstream.

I mean, personally I outgrew that nonsense shortly after my twentieth birthday, but I get it.

Fish is one of those lamers that just wants to prove how awesome he is. Take his toys and tell him he's awesome, or fuck off. Seriously, Fish speaking about anything kills his game. The guy ripped off Paper Mario on the Wii and brings out an interesting if very flawed and convoluted game in Fez. I liked a lot of what he attempted in it, but ultimately it offered little new and I bored of it about sixty percent or so through.

I have no interest of playing it again, because of Fish. I have no interest in Fez 2. I would never play that game because of Fish. The guy had the absolute worst personality type for someone who lives and dies by how the public perceives him and his games.

Screw Fez 2. Bring on the Witness. I don't care if it's a Myst/Riven clone.

Phil Fish is one of the most despicable people in the history of the American games industry by far. There is nothing wrong with being eccentric, or opinionated, or cocky (some peeps don’t like Cliffy B for this reason), but Fish is outright hostile, rude, inflammatory, vulgar, and confrontational. Video game players who admire his work and paid hard-earned money for Fez are routinely and unabashedly ridiculed by him. The people who got him where he is today are told to go F themselves and called “gross nerds” and “subhuman little shits.”

Phil Fish said gamers don’t deserve him. He simply doesn’t deserve the constant attention/publicity he gets. I feel terrible for everyone at Polytron who got their information leaked or compromised. They are innocent people who had the unfortunate experience of being in business with a short fused sociopath. I don’t feel bad for Phil. He is an embarrassment to this industry and as far as I’m concerned, he got what he ultimately deserved.

Stefan said:

Phil Fish is one of the most despicable people in the history of the American games industry by far. There is nothing wrong with being eccentric, or opinionated, or cocky (some peeps don’t like Cliffy B for this reason), but Fish is outright hostile, rude, inflammatory, vulgar, and confrontational. Video game players who admire his work and paid hard-earned money for Fez are routinely and unabashedly ridiculed by him. The people who got him where he is today are told to go F themselves and called “gross nerds” and “subhuman little shits.”

Phil Fish said gamers don’t deserve him. He simply doesn’t deserve the constant attention/publicity he gets. I feel terrible for everyone at Polytron who got their information leaked or compromised. They are innocent people who had the unfortunate experience of being in business with a short fused sociopath. I don’t feel bad for Phil. He is an embarrassment to this industry and as far as I’m concerned, he got what he ultimately deserved.

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Phil Fish strikes me as the kind of guy that will be in Dustin Diamond's (Screech from Saved By the Bell) shoes within 10 years.

By that time, he'll be out of money, begging game publishers for a shot to put Fez 2 on their system. "Guys, I'm about to lose my house!!! Pls, help!! I don't want to do porn!!!"

Jon

his mouth will always net him some income

More hipster than hipster.

RabbitTroop said:

It's like the older punk movement or something. Strip the games down and challenge the ideas of the mainstream.

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This is the illusion that attracts so many people to the "alternative" of enjoying indie games.

Prior to this western indie game boom, how many video games had personalities and human faces attached to them? Uhh Boon and Tobias's I guess.

It's like "Oh boy I can follow the internet media celebrity who made my video game! I wonder what he's going to say and do next. This will surely have an influence on what video games I'll play."

Real punk rock.

The fake pseudonyms those corporate ba$tards in Japan used is more punk rock than the above.

EDIT: I understand you're specifically referencing Blow's minimalist approach to game design, but I felt compelled to add my slightly germane two cents.

I feel bad for the guy she cheated on. He got took hard and the way she's trying to cover it up is pretty fucking laughable. I hope she gets dealt with.

BonusKun said:

I feel bad for the guy she cheated on. He got took hard and the way she's trying to cover it up is pretty fucking laughable. I hope she gets dealt with.

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I'm sure she raped all of those guys, you see her nudes? Fucking white trash.

Glad to see people talking about this here. I've tried talking about this on other sites, even those fairly detached from mainstream gaming, and the threads still get deleted or locked with no reason stated.

Anyway, I think the biggest thing about this scandal isn't that people were having sex. Obviously, no one really gives a shit.

It's that online game "journalism" and indie "game" development have become so intertwined that no one knows where the line is anymore. You've got several journalists giving money directly to Zoe Quinn (look for names like Ben Kuchera of Polygon, Kirk Hamilton of Kotaku and others), moderators silencing stories about the scandal (just look at reddit threads - also find a story on 4chan, keep it open in a seperate window, come back about 30 minutes later and refresh to see if it now directs you to a 404 page), and the journalists that do report on it or even allow discussion of it get strong-armed by this SJW "illuminati" into censoring the story or else. Even other devs are being threatened with joblessness if they so much as disagree with Quinn.

I understand that as an indie game dev, you don't have publishers or PR or anything of that sort. You have to be the one to talk to journalists, arrange meetups, etc., and I can understand how you might get a lot more familiar with a journalist than a big brand developer would. However, the line has to be drawn somewhere, and the journalists at the very least owe it to their readers to preface any story about the person with "My close personal friend ____" as opposed to just letting people think you haven't gotten to know the subject on a personal level.

More stuff
http://www.ruthlessreviews.com/24150/zoe-quinn-proves-game-journos-literally-bed-developers/
http://www.doddscientifics.com/?page=story&id=71

In slightly less consequential parts of the story, there's also Phil Fish faking being doxxed and giving out personal information of his employees (which is illegal) and Zoe Quinn using DMCA to silence personal criticism (also illegal).

Opethian said:

his mouth will always net him some income

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Everytime I see that picture I get the mental image of him drinking his own piss and smelling like rotten watermelons and I don't know why.

Anyway I haven't bought his shitty Cave Story ripoff and everytime someone asks me why I haven't I just link them that image of him.

I'd LOVE for someone to come and try to shut the thread here. It be like raining fucking fire, we might actually cause butthurt across the whole Internet. Earn the name that so many brand us with.

Kid Panda said:

I'd LOVE for someone to come and try to shut the thread here. It be like raining fucking fire, we might actually cause butthurt across the whole Internet. Earn the name that so many brand us with.

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This 100%.

I got into this forum by sleeping with a Pulstar cart.

GohanX said:

I got into this forum by sleeping with a Pulstar cart.

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I got into this bout of crotch itch by sleeping with Zoe Quinn.

Sick burn, bro.

Kid Panda said:

I'm sure she raped all of those guys, you see her nudes? Fucking white trash.

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