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thats how its done "in the business".
Retro Gamer magazine's terrible Metal Slug feature --reviewed!
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thats how its done "in the business".
Yawn. You're in the minority. Nothing wrong with being in a minority, but you don't get a medal for it either, so if you've got nothing interesting or constructive to say then fuck off and stop wasting my time.
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Now, there's the hypocrisy. I don't pay much attention to Bobak's postings. He and I have clashed in the past, and unlike many here, I neither bear him any particular ill will, nor do I venerate him. If you'll notice, in my first post in this thread, I pointed out that you were completely entitled to your opinion, completely entitled to write about it, and anyone who didn't care for it was under no obligation to purchase the magazine. My point is that you have done precisely that... you point out your experience in writing as evidence of your "superiority," to lend weight to your arguments.
A few snippets:
The popularity of your feature is not evidence of its quality. You, yourself, espouse this very idea in your dislike of MS3... far and away the biggest fan favorite of the series.
I'm not making any rude, sweeping generalizations. However, I do know what the word "professional" means... and pointing out folks like Simon Cowell as a defense of professional rudeness is hardly helping your stance. Simon Cowell is popular because he's a spectacle creator. Maybe that kind of thing is what Retrogamer is about. I freely admit that I don't know. Regardless of your credentials and/or credibility as a writer, were I your editor-in-chief, I would not allow such an individual to be a representative of my magazine. But I'm used to a genuinely professional (ie. corporate) environment, and such behavior on a public forum would get you fired, more or less summarily.
Just as it's possible to discuss hot-button topics without resorting to abuse, it's equally possible to make referential material not dull to read, without turning it into an opinion piece. But that is the difference between a good journalist and "just another writer." And if that statement needles you, then again, I suggest you grow some thicker skin. Because, like it or not, everyone is a critic. Some are better at expressing themselves than others... but disagreeing with you doesn't make anyone stupid, or wrong. Just as the opposite is true.
*wonders if Ed Semrad or Sushi-X ever got their "panties in a bunch" over a reader's dissenting opinion*
I haven't read Stuart's article so I can't comment on that end.
But as someone who has some experience creating lengthy articles and reviews, let me just say that I have encountered one or two critics in my time (surprisingly, just once or twice) and they were clearly what you might call... "haters."
I just ignored and deleted their comments from my guestbook, lol. They weren't worth my time to email and defend myself, my work or stoop to their level by insulting them back.
I agree with those who say Stuart is acting unprofessionally here. It's one thing to defend yourself. It's another to start spewing profanity like a drunken sailor. Bobak articulated his views without resorting to curse words. You'd expect the same from Stuart. I know it's not easy since you feel "unjustly attacked" for a piece you put lots of man hours into (I'd know about putting man hours into a piece, check out any of my SNES reviews, Ken Griffey Jr. in particular -- that review took me weeks to piece together), but resorting to such blatant profanity does show your character in more ways than you might think (though I guess it's fairly obvious you could care less about what others [here] may think of your "attitude").
Just me ole 2 cents from an unbiased and neutral 3rd party.
I haven't read Stuart's article so I can't comment on that end.
But as someone who has some experience creating lengthy articles and reviews, let me just say that I have encountered one or two critics in my time (surprisingly, just once or twice) and they were clearly what you might call... "haters."
I just ignored and deleted their comments from my guestbook, lol. They weren't worth my time to email and defend myself, my work or stoop to their level by insulting them back.
I agree with those who say Stuart is acting unprofessionally here. It's one thing to defend yourself. It's another to start spewing profanity like a drunken sailor. Bobak articulated his views without resorting to curse words. You'd expect the same from Stuart. I know it's not easy since you feel "unjustly attacked" for a piece you put lots of man hours into (I'd know about putting man hours into a piece, check out any of my SNES reviews, Ken Griffey Jr. in particular -- that review took me weeks to piece together), but resorting to such blatant profanity does show your character in more ways than you might think (though I guess it's fairly obvious you could care less about what others [here] may think of your "attitude").
Just me ole 2 cents from an unbiased and neutral 3rd party.
You don't think this is a spectacle?
Really? Most people would regard "shitting out crap" as a little off in polite company. You wouldn't use it in front of the Queen, say.
Not if you knew me you wouldn't.
Nobody ever said it did. Please stop building these straw men.
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Can't you guys SEE how Stuart Campbell has lit a fire under this thread's proverbial ass? It's what he does. He's the Charles Bronson of wordsmiths.
Dear Stu, please share with the forum why you love Metal Slug 7 so much? Are favorite entries from other series games such as Mega Man 6 or Golden Axe 3? Your opinion on Metal Slug 3 is fine and all (not that I believe it's 100% true), but your love of Metal Slug 7 is UNACCEPTABLE. Defend thyself Bronson.
Dear Stu, please share with the forum why you love Metal Slug 7 so much? Are favorite entries from other series games such as Mega Man 6 or Golden Axe 3? Your opinion on Metal Slug 3 is fine and all (not that I believe it's 100% true), but your love of Metal Slug 7 is UNACCEPTABLE. Defend thyself Bronson.
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I can understand people here defending 2 and putting their hands over their eyes and saying "THE SLOWDOWN ISN'T BAD IN 2 NYAH NYAH", but in a magazine? The reason X exists is because the slowdown was so horrendous that it warranted a do-over.
Haven't read the article, probably never will unless someone scans it, but I've known of Stuart ever since he said Raiden III was his game of the year for 2005.
His aggressive writing style is the only reason he's popular, guy's a dope. Saying Slug 7 is the best in the series? Ugh.
Haven't read the article, probably never will unless someone scans it, but I've known of Stuart ever since he said Raiden III was his game of the year for 2005.
His aggressive writing style is the only reason he's popular, guy's a dope. Saying Slug 7 is the best in the series? Ugh.
You've done virtually nothing but call everyone who criticized your work an idiot, or some equivalent thereof. That's a simple fact, not a straw man. If you wish to get into debate terms, you're spouting ad hominem attacks.
Your job experience doesn't make you better than anyone else here.
Well, okay, maybe a few of them, but that's not saying much. ;P
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did
did someone just say MS4 was better than MS3
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Yes Kern, they did.
Correlation doesn't prove causation. I haven't called you a fuckwit, and you're disagreeing with me. Difference is, you're at least making some sort of case, albeit one filled with flaws where you keep saying I've done things I haven't done. (Where have I ever denied being rude, for example, as you keep insisting I have?)
Bobak posted an incredibly rude, inflammatory, offensive post. I replied in kind, except pointing out that almost all his arguments were FACTUALLY wrong. So how come you're not attacking him, just me?
I didn't say you denied being rude. I said it's hypocritical to be incensed by others' rudeness when you are being just as bad. I said you're being condescending, which you are. As for the flaws in my case, as you put it, please point them out to me. You've carefully ignored most of the content in my posts that call attention to where you're in the wrong, accused me of making a "stupid, sweeping generalization," and generally been closed-off during this entire discussion.
I'm not "attacking" anyone. Even my biggest detractors on this forum (and believe me, I have my fair share) will vouch for that. If I were, you'd most assuredly know it. And honestly, I don't particularly care about the content of the article, itself, since I don't care about the Metal Slug series. I have no stake in this. I only chose to step in to address you directly when you started going on a tirade.
If I seem like I'm attacking you, it's because you're being defensive. You haven't denied being rude, but you also haven't given a credible excuse for it. As a professional writer, you should be able to rise above this tide of negativity and soldier on. Slinging some mud back may be more "fun," but in the end, it leaves you just as dirty as the rest.
Should I? Why are writers exempt from being offended when people say terrible, offensive, idiotic, untrue things about them? Most other humans would be.
There's an issue of chronology there. If someone attacks you in the street and starts kicking you, are you just as bad as them if you kick back?
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Well, that's one of the things about life: no one has the right to not be offended.
No one is exempt from the feeling. Professionals, however, are expected to maintain some decorum, regardless of their personal feelings on any given matter.
You're stretching credibility a bit, there. Verbal assault and physical assault are two very different things. But in the case of physical assault, you're just as bad unless your life is in jeopardy. At this point, all you're doing is hanging around, chasing the initial "kicker," even though no one is still attacking you.
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I agree entirely. I haven't asked for Bobak to be censored, merely challenged his untrue statements. The vast majority of my post was factual correction, with a bit of venting at the end which - as is the way of people whose argument is weak - several people have seized on, using it as an excuse to disregard everything else, despite the fact that it's utterly mundane and everyday stuff for the internet. You can call me a cunt all day long and I won't give a shit, but I object to people maligning my professional integrity and diligence. That's a much more serious business. In fact, it's a crime in most countries.
Are they? Is there a manual? Can you point me to the chapter and clause?
Now you're being deliberately obtuse. I find it hard to believe you've been in any business for twenty years without ever being given any guidance or instruction on workplace behavior, or even basic etiquette.
You may be a freelancer, or however your work is arranged, but in the end, it comes down to the same fact I mentioned before: you are a representative of this magazine, like it or not. Your attitude and behavior here reflect poorly on Retrogamer as a whole. Such behavior in any other job, even one as "simple" as working at a McDonald's, would get you fired. You're not hosting a talk show.
I was very well brought up. But my granny always taught me that if you want to be understood by a Frenchman, you should speak French.
See, that's not so much a "fact" as "complete bullshit". I am not an employee of the magazine. I post under my own name, as a private individual who happens to be sometimes employed by it. I sometimes write for Poker Player too - do you now hold them in lower regard as well?
If you choose to interpret MY actions as somehow representative of the opinions of the magazine (if a magazine can have an opinion), then I'm afraid it's you who's being the dick, because that's a blatantly wrong and vastly unfair thing to do. Blame Darran for what Darran says, and blame me for what I say. He isn't responsible for me beyond what I write in the pages of the magazine, and has no control or influence whatsoever over it, and to claim or act otherwise is monstrously stupid.
Many people would argue that that's precisely what I am doing, as are most people in the specialist-magazine business.
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I remember when I used to pick these up from the airforce BX back when they carried them. I always loved how they came with a Cd of extras. But I stopped picking up any since they stopped carrying them. I'll be sure not to pick up this one if I ever see it.
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Hot damn, I go to bed and all this happens? This thread delivers. The fun part is the fact that Stu keeps going on like a rabid child thinking he is right and all others are just dumps from a cow's ass, with the intelligence to match.
Nah, sorry, but I've been writing for years and I'll say this much: objectivity is key when writing a piece that is to be professionally published and released to a large audience. If you want to be loud, smarmy and generally oblivious to the topic you are covering (one week of playing the series isn't very long for really doing your research), you should keep it to the website where you charge people to read your shit. What a crock that is.
20 years experience in gaming journalism doesn't mean squat if you are terrible at it. You could have 20 years experience in hooking on the streets, but if you are a bad lay, then it means jack-shit. And for a 'professional', you have an awful lot of time on your hands to argue point/counterpoint. Face it: you're a hack. And if Retro Gamer thinks you are worthy of publishing, then they are just as unworthy of a fan-base.
And your video pinball table sucks balls. Fuck the Sex Pistols.
Nah, sorry, but I've been writing for years and I'll say this much: objectivity is key when writing a piece that is to be professionally published and released to a large audience. If you want to be loud, smarmy and generally oblivious to the topic you are covering (one week of playing the series isn't very long for really doing your research), you should keep it to the website where you charge people to read your shit. What a crock that is.
20 years experience in gaming journalism doesn't mean squat if you are terrible at it. You could have 20 years experience in hooking on the streets, but if you are a bad lay, then it means jack-shit. And for a 'professional', you have an awful lot of time on your hands to argue point/counterpoint. Face it: you're a hack. And if Retro Gamer thinks you are worthy of publishing, then they are just as unworthy of a fan-base.
And your video pinball table sucks balls. Fuck the Sex Pistols.
Wow. If that's your attitude, it's no wonder that you don't get it. Consider yourself fortunate that your job places absolutely no pressure on you to conduct yourself in a professional manner.
Have fun, manchild.
He's not doing that. He's editing out everything he doesn't want to address.
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I do. If you blame anyone else for anything I say, you're the fuckwit, and you can try to bluster your way out of that as much as you want without it changing.
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