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wasabi said:
if there are a lot of robberies, then you would probably want to consider that your handgun will get stolen.

Regardless, the one gun I miss owning the most was the USP 45. Doesn't need to be cleaned religiously, consistent grouping, and enough stopping power to leave an exit wound in your robber large enough to toss your cat through.

I have considered that, but I still don't want to move out there without some sort of protection. And I refuse to pick my possesions based on what might be stolen.

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You have guns? Oh dear [highlight]GOD[/highlight] you Monsters!
 

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soulthug said:
You have guns? Oh dear [highlight]GOD[/highlight] you Monsters!
marco pierre white has all kinds of guns, is english, and is a total badass chef who kills all his game before he prepares it and serves it up. not all the english are gun hating nuts. jeremy clarkson has guns and he's a totally awesome dude. and i certainly wouldn't put it past gordon ramsey.
 

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HellioN said:
Better hope you never have to transition to your weak side in a hurry.

I've played with airsoft AUGs, and mag changing was a breeze. What issues could there be other than that?

Do you have a piston upper for your AR? I was considering one of those for a while, set it up like an HK416...would be awesome.
 

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I'm planning on taking my concealed carry class soon to apply for my permit.

So I'll be in the market for an easily concealable semi-automatic here soon. I would love to have a USP40 but they are too pricey I think. Fuck it, I might go with a snub .38 revolver or a smallish .380 semi-auto. I'd love to carry a .45 for stopping power, but they don't offer them in a smaller size frame right?
 

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HellioN said:
Merc, I'll trade you my AMD-63 (AKM clone) for that Tracker. :D
Good luck finding a modern duty holster for that, You might be better off having one custom made.

#1> Being a fan of revolvers (becoming moreso than semi autos strangely enough), I know for a fact that I'll never trade, sell nor give up my .45 Tracker bro. I'm sure some Socialist weasel might one day pry it from my dead cold fucking hands, but then it's more probable the foreign military personnel and/or Mercs would be doing that... because you know, them Socalist anti-gun types wouldn't dare fight for their own causes, and have to hire out help. Hope it doesn't come to that though. Our nation has enough problems without pludging into some sort of chaotic civil war or revolution. 'Sides, if something like that ever did happen I figure we'd be ripe for the picking from everyone from China to Mexico (they'd no doubt blitzkrieg Texas), and most of Latin America, ready to take advantage of the destabilization/anarchy in the most effected areas.

*LOL*

#2> Never heard of the AMD-63 in all honesty. At first I thought you were offering to trade me for some Athalon computer processor chip.

#3> Oh I already have a perfectly good "modern day" duty holster for the Tracker .45, but it's sadly a high ride on-the-hip style Uncle Mike's LV 2 thumb break deal made to fit most 4 to 4 3/4 inch revolvers in the .357 to .45ACP calibers. I'm trying to track down the older 1960s through 1980s police issue "low ride" holsters where the holster dropped down about an inch to two inches from the duty belt line on the hip, and in a sense rode low (hung low) at the hip. This however, has proven to be a bitch and a half to track down, though I did see a .38 Special "Royal Candaian Mountie" low ride holster on sale on Ebay a few nights ago, but there's no telling if it be a nice fit for a .45ACP medium sized revolver. ***Probably I'll end up modifying a cowboy single action gun belt, that tilts to the right slighlty, having to cut off the individual bullet loops and make it smooth for the single (2) speed loader pouch and hand cuffs on the left side, and then dye a tanned leather Bianchi or S&W holster made for SAA .45LC revolvers into the color black, and wear it low ride, further tied down to the thigh.

When wearing a revolver, it's the most comfortable way to carry one, and it's easier to clear leather/holster with. This whole gun butt facing at a 45 degree angle foward shit of today's LV 1 through LV 3 retention holsters is bullshit. I understand why most Police forces use them, and why most wanna be cops (about 97% of the "Security" field) use them... but I don't agree. For some of us, carrying a pistol high on the hip versus lower at hip on thigh causes back pains and even causes the Syatic Nerves in the leg to act up. I happen to be one of those people, thus I actually have a SOLID reason for wanting to carry a duty weapon in a low ride fashion. Funny thing is, the whole "Low Ride Carry" is usually seen as acceptable for glory boy outfits like SWAT, S.D.U. and/or T.R.U. groups, and Level 5 "Security Operators" but not for the standard rank & file police officer and/or security officer. But the way I see it, when my life's on the line, I'm going to carry how I'm most effective, and at least in the Security sector one can field with the duty weapon of choice. No damn way I'd be issued a Glock, it's a .45ACP of some sort or nothing at all. Though I could be swayed on that .9mm Ruger SR9.
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Ghost-Dog said:
I'm planning on taking my concealed carry class soon to apply for my permit.

So I'll be in the market for an easily concealable semi-automatic here soon. I would love to have a USP40 but they are too pricey I think. Fuck it, I might go with a snub .38 revolver or a smallish .380 semi-auto. I'd love to carry a .45 for stopping power, but they don't offer them in a smaller size frame right?

There are actually several gun manufactuers who make Micro Sized and small framed 5 shot M1911s in the .45ACP caliber. For CHL/CCW purposes in the capcity of a PDW, 5 + 1 in the chamber isn't bad at all. If you're looking for a good .380ACP (.9mm "Kurtz"), you can't go wrong with the BERSA "Thunder .380" pistol. It's a sleeker looking Walter PPK and/or CZAK P64 clone made in Argentina. And let me tell you, it's a mutha'fucka. Handles great and can be carried in a back pocket or even a denim blue jeans pocket and hardly be noticeable. Standard 7 round magazine + 1 in the chamber factort direct. The aftermarket magazines for that particular pistol however, will not chamber the 7th round due to an indention in the magazine, and BERSA is the only one (meaning Factory Direct here, or through a vendor selling factory mags) that can handle the full 7 rounds. However, there is a 9 round mag that the company has out there two under their "Delux" line. The gun brand new is less than $300.00USD

Hope that helps out a bit.

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Mercenary X99 said:
There are actually several gun manufactuers who make Micro Sized and small framed 5 shot M1911s in the .45ACP caliber. For CHL/CCW purposes in the capcity of a PDW, 5 + 1 in the chamber isn't bad at all. If you're looking for a good .380ACP (.9mm "Kurtz"), you can't go wrong with the BERSA "Thunder .380" pistol. It's a sleeker looking Walter PPK and/or CZAK P64 clone made in Argentina. And let me tell you, it's a mutha'fucka. Handles great and can be carried in a back pocket or even a denim blue jeans pocket and hardly be noticeable. Standard 7 round magazine + 1 in the chamber factort direct. The aftermarket magazines for that particular pistol however, will not chamber the 7th round due to an indention in the magazine, and BERSA is the only one (meaning Factory Direct here, or through a vendor selling factory mags) that can handle the full 7 rounds. However, there is a 9 round mag that the company has out there two under their "Delux" line. The gun brand new is less than $300.00USD

Hope that helps out a bit.

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I looked up the BERSA Thunder, interesting weapon. I think a .380 would be more than effective for every day concealed carry, don't you? Now I just need to decide where to carry it. I was thinking ankle holster, but this gun shop employee I talked to swears up and down that's the worst spot. I just don't know if I could get used to a waistband holster and keeping it in my pocket worries me. I'd be afraid to accidentally blow a ball off or something..
 

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Ghost-Dog said:
I looked up the BERSA Thunder, interesting weapon. I think a .380 would be more than effective for every day concealed carry, don't you? Now I just need to decide where to carry it. I was thinking ankle holster, but this gun shop employee I talked to swears up and down that's the worst spot. I just don't know if I could get used to a waistband holster and keeping it in my pocket worries me. I'd be afraid to accidentally blow a ball off or something..

#1> The .380ACP (.9mm "Kurtz") IS INDEED an excellent PDW for concealed carry. I mainly used mine as the first line of home defense in and around the condo I live at, after that whole Drug Dealer & Pimp fiasco I mentioned in another thread, where the son of a bitch moved in 3 units down from me, and had half the complex living in fear. On my property I would walk around with it on me and escort the wife and kid out to the car for a bit, as before the police raided the place (mistaking me at one point for the pimp's Enforcer until that got cleared up after a brief guns-drawn stand off between me, my father and 4 officers prior to the raid) ... let's just say it helped out. Though at the time the shit hit the fan I was actually armed with my M1911, having returned home from the gun range of all places when Vice contacted me concerning a report made long after their initial "survellience period."

#2> Ankle carry is shit for CHL purposes. It's okay for a back-up piece if you're a police officer or an agent of a legal capacity of some sort, or even a registered Fugitive Recovery Operator (Bounty Hunter), but for a CHL holding citizen, you don't want to have to be "Getting Low" to get to your piece in a hairy situation. Your best bet would indeed be to carry an inside the waist hip holster that conforms to your body. If you're carrying something like the BERSA, no one will see it period! If it's something like a hammerless .38 Special revolver or a .45ACP small framed M1911, it's possible (at times) to make out, but you'd have to have a trained eye for such things. These days I can spot most ppl carrying everything from ice picks to switch blades to a concealed handgun. But then I know what to look for in terms of how the clothing appears if not overly loose.

#3> I dunno how the laws are in Florida (that is where you live right?) But here in Texas, the CHL (Concealed Handgun License) laws are a bit odd. As in you'd better damn well never let that gun be seen, otherwise it's jail time for you. Also you need to know exactly where you can't take your concealed handgun, and know when and where (legally binding here) a private property owner can prevent you from carrying on their property. There are many gray areas within this, since a property owner has the right to state their regulations as LAW on those premesis, BUT, if a simple No Guns Allowed sign (the one's with the gun and a line drawn across it) don't hold water legally speaking (at least here) unless it's a proper Penal Code printed out pertaining to the CHL holder's right to carry under the respective state's law on a property with the letters in the correct font and size. Otherwise, there's no legal weight in a property owner's actions against a CHL holder should they want to make an issue of it. Most don't know this but it's taught in Security Commissions classes and CHL as well. Also don't ever carry your piece inside any place that derives 50% of it's income off the sale of alcohol (i.e. "Bars, Night Clubs etc).

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The CWP is a little different here, but nonetheless, it's also a case of "make sure no one sees that shit". Technically I can't carry into any government office including the USPS, or any school. Other than that I believe it's pretty wide open.

Our castle doctrine/required retreat laws have also changed lately. It's totally acceptable to defend yourself with deadly force if your life is threatened, even outside your home and there isn't the "retreat first" rule we used to have in Florida.
 

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Ghost-Dog said:
The CWP is a little different here, but nonetheless, it's also a case of "make sure no one sees that shit". Technically I can't carry into any government office including the USPS, or any school. Other than that I believe it's pretty wide open.

Our castle doctrine/required retreat laws have also changed lately. It's totally acceptable to defend yourself with deadly force if your life is threatened, even outside your home and there isn't the "retreat first" rule we used to have in Florida.

You guys have had that law for a few years now, I recall we had a discussion on it. Pretty rad that you aren't obligated to retreat in FL.
 

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hey gun nerds.

this came up on an entirely different forum and context

f2000_3.jpg


^is this for real, looks like something out of Appleseed?
 

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Ninja Edit:

http://world.guns.ru/assault/as41-e.htm

It's the F2000 by Fabrique National Herstal (FN).

How do I know this?

I looked at where the picture was linked from (a very useful gun website, and low and behold the picture was named after the firearm!).

So yeah, it's real.
 
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Lagduf said:
Ninja Edit:

http://world.guns.ru/assault/as41-e.htm

It's the F2000 by Fabrique National Herstal (FN).

How do I know this?

I looked at where the picture was linked from (a very useful gun website, and low and behold the picture was named after the firearm!).

So yeah, it's real.

haha

Shows how hungover (read : stupid) I am :D

*spelling nazi edit*

lo and behold :P
 

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Late said:
hey gun nerds.

this came up on an entirely different forum and context

f2000_3.jpg


^is this for real, looks like something out of Appleseed?

It looks a little more normal without the GL and massive optic shroud.

fn_cb_fs2000.jpg


Awesome bullpup.
 

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shirt said:
I've played with airsoft AUGs, and mag changing was a breeze. What issues could there be other than that?

Do you have a piston upper for your AR? I was considering one of those for a while, set it up like an HK416...would be awesome.

Not trying to be offencive here...But you played with a TOY.
I'm assuming you are right handed & therefore would have the gun setup to eject spent shells to the right side.
The problem is when you switch to your weak (left) side your cheek will be so close to the ejection port that you will get smacked in the face with flying brass, Or you will cover the port all together & the gun won't eject at all.
You can pop off the back plate of the AUG and reverse the bolt so that it ejects from the left side, But this takes time you don't have in the middle of a fight. Video, Note the ejection port
Their is also the issue of the offset site when you switch sides.
The only bull-pup that I am aware of that is ambidextrous is the FN F2000.
It uses a "shell tube" to push spent brass out of the front of the gun instead of the traditional ejector. VIDEO
I would worry about the tube becoming jammed with empties & the gun quits working.
On a side note FN sells the F2000 to civvies as the FS2000, I have shot one (Along with a P90 :D ).
I do not, & most likely never will, Have a piston upper for my AR.
I don't think they are necessary, Just maintain the gun & it will serve you well.
The H&K stuff is rare & VERY expensive, If you really want to go that route their are several manufactures that make piston AR uppers now. just check out www.ar15.com
Again i'm not trying to offend you, Just telling you what I know.

Merc,
First let me correct myself, it's an AMD-65.
AMD65b.jpg

I get confused because I put a fixed stock on mine, That folding one sucks.
The AMD-63 is the real fixed stock version.
I was kidding when I said I would trade you, Truth be told I'm a revolver nut myself.
I am also fan of the .45 ACP.
A gun like that is a dream come true.
It's a nice peice, I wish they still made them.
 

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HellioN said:
Not trying to be offencive here...But you played with a TOY.
I'm assuming you are right handed & therefore would have the gun setup to eject spent shells to the right side.
The problem is when you switch to your weak (left) side your cheek will be so close to the ejection port that you will get smacked in the face with flying brass, Or you will cover the port all together & the gun won't eject at all.
You can pop off the back plate of the AUG and reverse the bolt so that it ejects from the left side, But this takes time you don't have in the middle of a fight. Video, Note the ejection port
Their is also the issue of the offset site when you switch sides.
The only bull-pup that I am aware of that is ambidextrous is the FN F2000.
It uses a "shell tube" to push spent brass out of the front of the gun instead of the traditional ejector. VIDEO
I would worry about the tube becoming jammed with empties & the gun quits working.
On a side note FN sells the F2000 to civvies as the FS2000, I have shot one (Along with a P90 :D ).
I do not, & most likely never will, Have a piston upper for my AR.
I don't think they are necessary, Just maintain the gun & it will serve you well.
The H&K stuff is rare & VERY expensive, If you really want to go that route their are several manufactures that make piston AR uppers now. just check out www.ar15.com
Again i'm not trying to offend you, Just telling you what I know.

Oh yeah, guns like to eject their shells, don't they.

Well, I guess that argument boils down to how likely it is that you would need to transition in a firefight. To be honest I don't know, but yeah, I could see that being an issue if you did.

I was speaking about mag changing exclusively in reference to the airsoft, I messed around with it pulling mags from a tac vest and switching as effeciently as I could. It was comfortable after I got used to it.

There is a pretty cool forward-ejecting .308 (!) bullpup coming out in the future:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCVb55UxYbU
I think it looks awesome.

About the AR, I'm aware of a couple companies that make the piston uppers...I could never dream of buying the HK stuff...except maybe the G3 kits. Which are cool. Anyway, I personally just can't get over the fouling issues with standard ARs. That said, I've always wanted one.
 

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Transitioning may not be so much of an issue in open areas but think along the lines of urban street combat, house to house fighting, & indoor fighting.
Leaning around a right handed corner is fine, You don't really expose yourself.
Now try and lean around a left side corner from your rite side.
You expose over half or your upper torso to fire.
The only solution is to switch to your left shoulder & lean left.
I do agree that most bullpups have smooth mag changes tho.
That .308 bullpup dose look cool, But fuck cool.
Function over form, If it does not work, I don't want it.
I think the fouling issues over the ar15 are exaggerated, Yes it's dirty.
Take the time & clean it right.
But at the same time I understand different people have different needs.
Have you ever considered the AR-180B?
AR15 FCG & mags with a long stroke (IIRC) gas piston.
Never shot one but have handled a few, Feels quite solid.
Lack of a chrome lined barrel is a mark against it tho.
Also look into the PTR-91.
US made G3 clone that works.
You can usually find the standard rifles for under $1K ($700 -$900)
http://www.ptr91.com/
 

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Does anyone here have an issue with cross ocular dominance? I do. I'm right-handed but my left eye is strongly dominant. It's not much of a problem with pistols, but can be problematic with certain rifles.
 

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Try shooting them left handed.
It will take practice but give it some serious effort.
I know a couple guys who solved their "problem" by shooting "Wrong handed".
 

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I think I've found a serious contender for concealed carry:

The BERSA Thunder 45ACP Ultra Compact.

bersa_thun45ucdt.jpg


Small, light, easy to conceal and yet packs the power of a .45. Also, it's under $400.
 
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IIRC it also uses standard M1911 mags.
On a side note I just ordered some PMAGS for my AR15.
Can't wait to get them!
 
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Dear god, I hope these are legal in Canada.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=4Q1puR7Y784

I swear this hillbilly is part cyborg or something.

EDIT: they probably are legal...I thought it was full auto or something.


that guy was way skilled! tossed up like 8 clay pigeons and shot 'em all before they hit the ground. the shotgun wasnt too bad either.. id like something like that but right now im at a crossroads as to what expensive hobby/toy i want to blow a load of cash on:conf:
 

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Orochi_invisibleink said:
that guy was way skilled! tossed up like 8 clay pigeons and shot 'em all before they hit the ground. the shotgun wasnt too bad either.. id like something like that but right now im at a crossroads as to what expensive hobby/toy i want to blow a load of cash on:conf:

My vote goes to firearms.
 

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Orochi_invisibleink said:
that guy was way skilled! tossed up like 8 clay pigeons and shot 'em all before they hit the ground. the shotgun wasnt too bad either.. id like something like that but right now im at a crossroads as to what expensive hobby/toy i want to blow a load of cash on:conf:
i say cars. they're much more fun. and i have a gun, i still prefer my cars.
 

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Expensive hobbies, simplified

Order of importance:

1. Women
2. Cars
3. Guns
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99. Smashing Fabergé eggs on the sidewalk
100. Golf


Anyway, some Japanese gun porno of something the ATF will never let you own.
 
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