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    [quote]Originally posted by Hakkun:
    <strong>KS can be guilty...</strong><hr></blockquote>

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    Hi,

    Conspiracy against laurent continue.

    His computer have been hacked yesterday night.

    Now, it can post nothing and don't respond to emails.

    Is neo-geo.com on the way to the war against him ?!?

    That's very sad...

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    [quote]Originally posted by BRANDI:
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    KS IS guilty <img src="graemlins/mad2.gif" border="0" alt="[Mad 2]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

    Whatever...

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    [quote]Originally posted by Hakkun:
    <strong>Whatever...</strong><hr></blockquote>

    These are straight facts, not opinions...

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    [quote]Originally posted by BIG BEAR:
    <strong>Uhhh,I just read through this newly started thread and I read some comments made about the "blacklist" that I threatened to pose..
    I stated that something needed to be done because it appeared to me that people who live in that specific part of the world were coming to the defense of KS even after he admitted ripping bahamut off. I AM NOT CONDEMNING GERMAN PEOPLE...let's not get it fucked up okay.. All I suggested was an idea...OUT OF 500 plus posts you can count on 1 hand the # of ideas proposed...
    Ideas that will hopefully lead to a solution..
    This type of theft is serious and if it's not dealt with swiftly,copycat behavior is highly likely...
    Uhhh,it's not about a "crusade",it's about "giving a damn" and tossing out some ideas to hopefully force this moron to return the money...
    If you have something to say to me..whoever it may be ADDRESS ME! Shut Up? This is a public forum...the initial started was looking for opinions and ideas..HE GOT WHAT HE ASKED FOR...
    If someone burned your ass for 1600 you'd be happy somebody was unselfishly starting a CRUSADE for justice on your behalf!
    You guys think it's a bad idea..fine but I am glad to see more members who live in that area condemn the actions of KS...
    If my comments raised any eyebrows,then that's half the battle!!
    After a person admits to "wrong doing" there is no defense...
    -BB</strong><hr></blockquote>

    BB, in my first post about b/l Germans in this thread I was referring to the general idea of banning a whole bunch of ppl just because they live in the same country as KS. I felt (and feel) that this would be the worst thing we could do.

    Personally I did not get the impression that the majority of the German members supported or tried to find excuses for KS. Some of them expressed their mixed feelings about the super-quick, super-harsh judgements of some members. You know, it's very easy to sit there and flame around, but it doesn't help anyone, not Laurent, not us. Laurent won't get his ducats back just because a member of neo-geo.com posts "KS is a fucking scammer!!!", but if he offers help or posts constructive ideas. As you said, there weren't many of them in that other thread. Addressing that wasn't a bad thing IMO.

    Back to the case at hand...

    The whole problem seems to be that KS doesn't want to refund Laurent, but only according to the two or three posts he made about it. There's always eBay, and if the cart really was a fake, the auction was illegal in the first place. They have their legal department for that.

    Laurent may have contacted them already, so let's see.
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    [quote]Originally posted by BRANDI:
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    These are straight facts, not opinions... </strong><hr></blockquote>

    I don't see it so clear like you do...

    I'd like to hear from KS himself...

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    Please Alessandro, do yourself a favour and re-read the original thread... it's Ralph himself who admitted in his own replies that:
    1)The auction was made by him (or his father, it doesn't matter)
    2)The cart is actually a conversion.

    The auction was fraudolent in the first place, because they (Kyokugen family) didn't say it was a conversion; moreover, they made an agreement with the buyer and then break it...

    Enough said...

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    [quote]Originally posted by BRANDI:
    <strong>Please Alessandro, do yourself a favour and re-read the original thread... it's Ralph himself who admitted in his own replies that:
    1)The auction was made by him (or his father, it doesn't matter)
    2)The cart is actually a conversion.

    The auction was fraudolent in the first place, because they (Kyokugen family) didn't say it was a conversion; moreover, they made an agreement with the buyer and then break it...

    Enough said...</strong><hr></blockquote>

    You don't know me... I never say anything until I'm completely sure about something obscure...

    From what I can understand KS is 100% guilty if, and only if that story of his father selling the cart is a fake... I'm simply trying to understand if it is or not... but since everyone post bulls without even knowing what they are talking about, it's hard to me to do it...

    As I told you into the Italin topic it's hard for me to understand that a top collector like him made such an illegal thing...

    That's all. I'm not defending anyone...

    [ April 07, 2002: Message edited by: Hakkun ]</p>

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    brandi made a good summary, just forgot to mention the fact that after using his "father's" (spells dirty) account, Ralph stepped in the transaction.
    he keeps contraddicting himself: first he asks his father to put the game on ebay, then he declares he doesn't have part in the deal, so whose cart was that?
    why did KS feel the need to use a different account?
    how could his father (who knows nothing about the scene) describe the cart in detail using technical jargon, and more, why such an high starting price?
    everything smells in this deal

    what i don't undestand is why a respected member of the forum (well, at least before the scam) should drag his name in the dirt for 1600$ thus preventing himself from having deals in the future.

    well, i'd been warned against other german sellers, but they usually trade shit for AES carts (naomi boards @800$ anyone?), but selling shit for good money is fraud.

    personally i was about to buy BTG from KS, but gess what, i'm having second thoughts

    and last, he compromised his reputation to such an extent that even if he refunded the whole sum to bahamut and left him the cart as a goodie, i'd still think twice about having business with him

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    [quote]Originally posted by Hakkun:
    <strong>From what I can understand KS is 100% guilty if, and only if that story of his father selling the cart is a fake... I'm simply trying to understand if it is or not... but since everyone post bulls without even knowing what they are talking about, it's hard to me to do it...

    As I told you into the Italin topic it's hard for me to understand that a top collector like him made such an illegal thing...

    That's all. I'm not defending anyone...]</strong><hr></blockquote>

    I'm shocked just like you to see Ralph acting this way, but his words and behaviour can't be ignored... <img src="graemlins/annoyed.gif" border="0" alt="[Annoyed]" />

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    CLOSE THIS FUCKING TOPIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!i heard enough about this story,it s time to stop we know finally all!

    1-ks is fucking guilty and he must payback or NO ONE WILL DEAL AGAIN WITH HIM(or his father)

    2-chrizz77 bidded on this metal slug and there s no real prove he is in this dirty business!so if no one have something evident to say please shut up definitively

    3-the neogeo community proposed to help laurent (1600$/160=10$ for 160 members)but he denied

    4-please shawn or dolphin or any moderator CLOSE THIS FUCKING TOPIC it s time now for laurent to do something on justice this forum is not the international police and we re not lawyer we can t help more unfortunatly

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    [quote]Originally posted by CHRiZ-77:
    <strong>It´s definately funny, how everybody tries to flame me...I´ll praise YOU!!!
    As i can see, some NEWBEE´s have flammed me too, but that´s equal, course most of them haven´t reached the AGE of 19!!!
    CHRiZ-77, "KS Partner in Crime" or "Bootlegger Groupie" are just redicolous and starts to amazed me...</strong><hr></blockquote>

    Chris, I am a NB and I don't pretend otherwise.
    I do browse the boards once in a while because I like to see what becomes of a game system i used to like, but make no mistakes, I could not care less about beeing known or recognized in here.
    I do not make business one the NG community
    I do not inteend to do so in the next few years
    I am not interested in paying that kind of money for a bloody game, I do not criticise you all doing it, I probably do things a lot stupider with my money (for instance pay speeding tickets...)

    However, when Bahamut called me yesterday night, I was shocked. I had not been in here for weeks, and I had no clue what was going on. I knew he had bid a great amount of money and won, that's as far as it went for me.
    So when he told me he had been hacked and, my first question was : why in the world would anyone want to hack you ? (I mean, u can get on any computer for fun, you don't need to know the guy, but a reasonable hacker needs a good reason to trash the place)
    So he told me there was sheit going on in here.
    I asked him if he wanted me to look into the matter, just to see if anyone was parading around saying how bad he was because he got back at him.
    He said no.
    I did come here however, and red the whole story, front and back.
    I just had to state that Bahamut had been hacked, if for nothing else, because he is obviuously not going to post arounf here for a while.

    Now, on to flaming you :

    Look at my post for crying out loud !
    I did say I did not understand things about you, true !
    But I did say what no one here has : THAT YOU DID ASK KS TO GET IT OVER WITH AND FIND A WAY TO EASE THINGS WITH BAHAMUT !
    how is that flaming you ?
    I have also roughly translated the post you upped in german, so that people stop believing that you flamed them in german.
    Again, how is that flaming you ??

    ICH HABE NUR GESAGT, DAS ICH NICHT VERSTEHEN CAN, WARUM DU ALLES WAS VERNUNFTIGES GESCHRIEBEN HAST, AUF DEUTCH SCHREIBEN MÜSSTE. ES WURDE AN DIR VIEL LEICHTER GEWESEN, UND FAST ALLEN HIER HATTEN DIR ALEIN LASSEN, HÄTTES DU SOLCHEN DINGEN AUF ENGLISH GESAGT !

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    das ist klare und schrecklish....

    au fait tu es francais mais quel est ton vrai nom?on dirait bien que la french touch s agrandit sur ce forum de our en jour
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    [quote]Originally posted by laurent:
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    au fait tu es francais mais quel est ton vrai nom?on dirait bien que la french touch s agrandit sur ce forum de our en jour </strong><hr></blockquote>

    LOL
    un francais s'est grave fait arnaqué donc c'est normal que ca soit des francais qui reagissent le +,meme des guest qui sortent de l'ombre.pour le "hack" de laurent,j'espere qu'il a un pote vers chez lui qui a le net et qu'il pourra consulter ses mails et messages et que cette sale affaire se reglera au mieux

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    [quote]Originally posted by laurent:
    <strong>das ist klare und schrecklish....

    au fait tu es francais mais quel est ton vrai nom?on dirait bien que la french touch s agrandit sur ce forum de our en jour </strong><hr></blockquote>

    Nico, mais je ne pense pas agrandir la communauté.

    As I have said earlyer, I respect neo adicts, but I am definitly not one. I just wanted to state flat out that :

    I am not acusing anyone inhere, but look at the facts :

    Bahamut starts a thread in here.
    He gets threatened by some dudes saying you will pay for that, and this is not over with
    2 Days after starting the thread, Bahamut gets hacked.

    now you go figure...

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    [quote]Originally posted by tsunami:
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    he keeps contraddicting himself: first he asks his father to put the game on ebay, then he declares he doesn't have part in the deal, so whose cart was that?

    why did KS feel the need to use a different account?

    how could his father (who knows nothing about the scene) describe the cart in detail using technical jargon, and more, why such an high starting price?

    everything smells in this deal

    </strong><hr></blockquote>

    Ding Ding Ding! We have a winner. These inconsistencies have bothered me as well. There are just too many holes in Ralph's argument.

    Oh, I received an actual smelly cart in a deal once. It's true! Someone else has it now.



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    Now, to end this story, let me try to tell you how things went out (this is my opinion, based on the facts emerged in these threads, but i'm quite sure it's really close to the truth)

    Ralph tried a gamble on german Ebay (usually these auctions are limited to german people only, due to language problems, and are not worldwide attended by foreigner collectors).
    He had this Metal Slug conversion, and probably said "let's try to put this on auction without tellin' this is original or fake, and let's see what happen..."
    He used another Ebay account, to not soil his own official account...
    He found a "newbie", who bidded on it, asking if the game was legit... he replied that he doesn't know, but when Laurent won the auction, they found an agreement :"If the game is fake, you'll have your money back".
    Probably Ralph was hoping to find someone not too deeply involved in the Neo scene, so to be able to fool him over the actual cart's origins...
    When Laurent received the game, he noticed that it was fake and contacted the seller, then Ralph (aka his father) tried to close the door by saying:"i can't refund you, the game works properly"...
    Laurent kept on pushing and, finally, Ralph took a stand saying about the 'supposed' misunderstanding with his father, in the hope to deal with a guy not too expert and without online contacts...
    But, when Ralph found himself (rightfully) exposed by Laurent on these forums, he realized that it was almost impossible to get out clean from this mess, even offering a refund, knowing that the Neo community would have noticed that the auction itself was clearly shady and fraudolent...
    So he decided to stay in the deep shit, losing his reputation but gaining $1600...

    BOTTOM LINE:
    Laurent, i'm sorry but Ralph will never give your money back spontaneously, considering that his name now will never be rehabilitated, even with a refund...
    So you need to contact Ebay and other authorities in order to denounce this fraud...
    Try to contact GamerAbyss, he can be helpful...
    and good luck!

    [ April 07, 2002: Message edited by: BRANDI ]</p>

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    @Hakkun:
    Thx for beeing wise...

    @BRANDI:
    Seems like KS is guilty, but not ME!!!

    @Lita_Rulez
    I didn´t mean YOU, as i´ve spoken about these NEWBEE´S!!! You seems to be a normal guy for me.

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    on va pas le laisser se faire entuber, quelqu un sait si il a contacter la justice ou ebay, ou recus une reponse potable the kyo machin ?

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    [quote]Originally posted by Stephane:
    <strong>on va pas le laisser se faire entuber, quelqu un sait si il a contacter la justice ou ebay, ou recus une reponse potable the kyo machin ?

    A+</strong><hr></blockquote>

    je crois pas que l'autre putain d'escroc lui a envoyé une reponse potable.au contraire il a preferé sacrifier sa "réputation" pour gagner le max de sous,de toute facon qu'il rembourse ou pas il sait qu'il est grillé sur le forum,plus personne ne voudra faire de buisness avec lui alors...mais il perd rien pour attendre car laurent semble avoir eu pas mal de bons conseils,grace au forum notament,donc esperons qu'il sache quoi faire

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    Speak english people. Your disrespecting every english speaking person here that can't speak your language.

    Your on an American BBS, the least you can do is speak english so we all can read it.

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    [quote]Originally posted by Drift King EX:
    <strong>Speak english people. Your disrespecting every english speaking person here that can't speak your language.

    Your on an American BBS, the least you can do is speak english so we all can read it.</strong><hr></blockquote>

    <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[LOL]" />
    At least until we get a better education system here in the states where kids can actually learn another language. Have mercy on us.

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    Wanted



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    [quote]Originally posted by Gamemaster:
    <strong>Wanted

    [img] <a href="http://www.neogeo.com/snk/images/siteofyear.jpg" target="_blank">http://www.neogeo.com/snk/images/siteofyear.jpg</a> [/img]</strong><hr></blockquote>

    Your link doesnt work !



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    Some of YOU french guys got skillz of speaking german! NOT BAD!

    Manche Menschen erkennen den Wald vor lauter Bäumen nicht, auch nicht wenn Sie mittendrin stehen!!! That happened in the Forums, sometimes.
    Have YOU ever felt the spirit of a Neo?



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