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    [quote]Originally posted by Takumaji:
    <strong>I bet if the Duo would fuck around with RotD or KoF2k2, things would be different, since these are new releases which are on sale right now, so a falsificated NGF RotD or KoF2k2 with their URL all over the insert and manual would bring Playmore into action.

    Just my 2c.</strong><hr></blockquote>


    I agree...with newer releases, it would matter to them...(cutting into revenue)...but I also think that they will do SOMETHING (God I hope I'm right) about the whole NGFreaked carts...
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    [quote]Originally posted by EMAGDNIM:
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    I agree...with newer releases, it would matter to them...(cutting into revenue)...but I also think that they will do SOMETHING (God I hope I'm right) about the whole NGFreaked carts...</strong><hr></blockquote>

    Well, let's see. Some ppl here have to understand that Playmore's legal departement won't bite NGF's gay asses for being idiots, wannabe-SNK fans or insert shredders, they will only take action if

    a) there's *hard* evidence for ongoing blatant copyright infringements and theft of intellectual property

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    b) there's a considerable loss of money due to actions of NGF mentioned in a).

    Most of us would like the two getting burned for stuff like the insert shredding at CGE or the rubber stamping, but that alone would be no good basis for a law suit I guess.
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    [quote]They are clearly NOT doing this on our behalf.<hr></blockquote>

    Nothing else?
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    [quote]Originally posted by Takumaji:
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    Well, let's see. Some ppl here have to understand that Playmore's legal departement won't bite NGF's gay asses for being idiots, wannabe-SNK fans or insert shredders, they will only take action if

    a) there's *hard* evidence for ongoing blatant copyright infringements and theft of intellectual property

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    b) there's a considerable loss of money due to actions of NGF mentioned in a).

    Most of us would like the two getting burned for stuff like the insert shredding at CGE or the rubber stamping, but that alone would be no good basis for a law suit I guess.</strong><hr></blockquote>

    Your forgetting or not understanding that protecting your and your business' intellictual properties is the MOST IMPORTANT thing you can do. This is the type of stuff that happens when a business doesn't take care of it's properties.

    Insert shredding and cart stickers are one thing. Re-printing inserts and offering a manufactuer warranty on SNK's behalf is highly illegal. Also acting on another's behalf is also illegal. What if someone signed your paychecks and cashed them on your behalf? I'm also sure there has been a considerable amount of revune lost due to these morons.
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    Besides the fact I find this NGF discussion *MOOT* at best, you have to see one VERY obvious thing that will finally end this discussion.


    Do they have ROTD, KOF 2002, MS4 or KOF 2k1 inserts redone yet?

    I don't know, and I'm assuming this because I haven't heard yet.


    No, they don't!

    the reason: if they redo the inserts, they are BLATANTLY and obviously treading on Playmore's turf, grounds for a lawsuit.

    If they tip-toe in SNK territory, the older titles.... they have at least a foothold to argue that the company is dead and you can alter their product. It's a gray area. They're basically playing it safe by not touching these titles yet. IF AND WHEN playmore would fold, they THEN would do those inserts.

    Basically, they're playing with a smaller fire right now and they're small time. Flying under playmore radar for now.

    That's why nothing's been done yet.. playmore can gain almost nothing by suing over older properties.. if and WHEN they do the newer inserts, expect something to happen.. until then, don't hold oyur breath. They know playmore IS watching them, they've said as much.

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    Playmore already have all the evidence they need...

    ... and they certainly WILL NOT discuss any legal matters with any external party.
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    [quote]Originally posted by VanillaThunder:
    <strong> [...] Do they have ROTD, KOF 2002, MS4 or KOF 2k1 inserts redone yet?

    I don't know, and I'm assuming this because I haven't heard yet.


    No, they don't!

    the reason: if they redo the inserts, they are BLATANTLY and obviously treading on Playmore's turf, grounds for a lawsuit.
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    See, gunrock, this is the type of thing I'm talking about. Spot on, Vanilla.

    Playmore is MS4, KoF2k1, RotD, KoF2k2, *NOT* the older stuff like KoF2k, Sengoku 2001, Ganryu, Zupapa, etc.pp.

    As long as "they" don't "correct" anything of the new Playmore stuff or release badly soldered RotD convs with some of the usual NGF stamps/URLs on them, it's of ZERO relevance for Playmore. They won't get a dime for any of the past releases like KoF2k et al, so their incentive to stop them isn't as big as you might think.

    That doesn't mean that I would not understand that stealing IPs from anyone is a criminal act - far from it. As a musician who releases records & CDs on technoid labels like Ray Gun or Indulge Rec (both Hamburg, Germany), I perfectly know what it means to see one of my tracks appearing on labels who haven't signed a head of agreement with my label boss, and to wittness these license pirates making money with my stuff, while I don't even get fucking credits in their fucking booklets, let alone license fees.

    And believe me, my label boss and I went to court and fought for our rights, but even in our (comparably simple) case, it took several lawyers, experts/assessors and some months of tedious court sessions to get things straight.

    gunrock, I don't want to burst any of your bubbles. If you feel that contacting SNK/Playmore USA and writing about (from our point of view) true but (from Playmore's point of view) hearsay issues would the best approach, by all means go for it. I wouldn't be surprised if Playmore eventually would stand up against the Duo, but this will take a while. Give them time.
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    I just wanted to say HI to Dion, who's evidently reading this thread as we speak. WHY DON'T YA POST HERE BUDDY? CAUSE YOU'RE A PUSSY.

    Thanks, asswipe.

    I read the DHP archives just now and Dion referenced something I said earlier in this thread. You guys should check out the archive, it's QUITE an interesting read. Unfortunately that idiot spams it up like crazy. It's definitely losing it's charm and aura as very little Neo is talked about anymore because of the Assclowns. I feel bad for the subscribers who have to get that shit EVERY GODDAMN DAY!


    What a douchebag.

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    I seem to be the only one who knows how to deal with Dion... ie. ignore him. He's an attention hound, and tuning him out is the best solution.

    Those who keep responding to him are just as guilty of perpetuating all the BS on that list as Dion is. Dion may be a troll by many standards, but he's a damn good one... people just can't leave well enough alone.

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    [quote]Originally posted by VanillaThunder:
    <strong>the reason: if they redo the inserts, they are BLATANTLY and obviously treading on Playmore's turf, grounds for a lawsuit.

    If they tip-toe in SNK territory, the older titles.... they have at least a foothold to argue that the company is dead and you can alter their product. It's a gray area.</strong><hr></blockquote>


    False. Copyrights are enforceable for the duration that they exist. You cannot jack a copyright just because a company goes out of business.

    Explanation (Cursory): If a company goes out of business/bankrupt/etc, one of the first things they will do is see if they can liquidate anything and everything -particularly the rights to intellectual property like games/characters/etc. (remember when pets.com sold the sock-puppet?). These things still have value, and thus still have owners. SNK Neo Geo/Playmore own the copyrights to the old SNK games and can enforce anything infringing upon them.

    Oh, and who co-owns some of these rights? (it's not always a purely-SNK thing)
    Data-East,
    Sunsoft,
    and the other 3rd parties that have been booted could also file suit.

    So the old games are just as enforceable as the new ones, and there is in fact someone who can do it. Of course, they are more likely to protect new games, or games that they are still profiting on (via MVS, AES, or even ports).

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    [quote]Originally posted by Bobak:
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    False. Copyrights are enforceable for the duration that they exist. You cannot jack a copyright just because a company goes out of business.

    Explanation (Cursory): If a company goes out of business/bankrupt/etc, one of the first things they will do is see if they can liquidate anything and everything -particularly the rights to intellectual property like games/characters/etc. (remember when pets.com sold the sock-puppet?). These things still have value, and thus still have owners. SNK Neo Geo/Playmore own the copyrights to the old SNK games and can enforce anything infringing upon them.

    Oh, and who co-owns some of these rights? (it's not always a purely-SNK thing)
    Data-East,
    Sunsoft,
    and the other 3rd parties that have been booted could also file suit.

    So the old games are just as enforceable as the new ones, and there is in fact someone who can do it. Of course, they are more likely to protect new games, or games that they are still profiting on (via MVS, AES, or even ports).</strong><hr></blockquote>

    I'm not disagreeing with you at all. I know what you're saying. My point was that if they play around with older crap, they have a better chance of not getting bothered due to the money they could lose on them (playmore)is far less than a new release.

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    [quote]Originally posted by VanillaThunder:
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    I'm not disagreeing with you at all. I know what you're saying. My point was that if they play around with older crap, they have a better chance of not getting bothered due to the money they could lose on them (playmore)is far less than a new release.</strong><hr></blockquote>

    You and Bobak make very valid points. Just because a company went bankrupt doesn't mean that they lose the copyrights to all of their previously released work. However, all of the SNK titles that NGF (HI DION!) are trying to replicate and reproduce are things that Playmore sees as no economical gain or value. Unless they planned to redistribute, manufacture, and resell games like NITD, Zupapa, etc... then they could careless what they do.

    However, if they DID focus on their new titles, I would be certain that Playmore would put their asses in a sling. Case in point... I just heard a story from a reliable source regarding someone trying to push an illegal remix to a very recent song from a superstar artist, after being denied the permission to do so. He went on to distribute the mix on CD-R to key players in the industry, putting his name and his production company all over it in an attempt to force the company to "accept" the mix if enough people start playing it. Unfortunately for this guy, he's about to get slapped for a multi-million dollar lawsuit from the label, since they now feel that his actions made the entire project look unprofessional, AND that it will hurt sales.

    Trust me... if NGF dared to mass produce and release a "hack job" of ROTD, KOF 2002 or the upcoming Power Instinct title like they did for Zupapa and NITD, they would be obliterated.
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    Here's a link direct from the ass' mouth for all you people that seem to be thinking Playmore isn't concerned or doesn't care about older titles and is probably only concerned with newer titles. What will be said when these idiots start putting out these:

    <a href="http://lists.dhp.com/neogeo/2002/Oct/0920.html" target="_blank">http://lists.dhp.com/neogeo/2002/Oct/0920.html</a>

    p.s. Why does this idiot always talk about how much money he has and what kind of personal items he pocesses? What the hell does this guy do in real life? Do you honestly think he has the cash to afford a lawyer to go up against a U.S. copyright attorney?
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    Also it's nice to see Shawn layin down some smack too.

    Link:

    <a href="http://lists.dhp.com/neogeo/2002/Oct/0922.html" target="_blank">http://lists.dhp.com/neogeo/2002/Oct/0922.html</a>

    LOL! this is funny ascii too.
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    [quote]Originally posted by gunrock46:
    <strong>Why does this idiot always talk about how much money he has and what kind of personal items he pocesses? What the hell does this guy do in real life? Do you honestly think he has the cash to afford a lawyer to go up against a U.S. copyright attorney?</strong><hr></blockquote>

    He does this as a deterrment from the issue. Members on the DHP list are blitzed with this unnecessary self glorification on a regular basis. He talks on the mailing list for he knows that he would be bashed to hell if he spoke up here. Unfortunately, the person running the list hasn't felt it was necessary for Dion to be banned from the DHP list, despite all of his past and present wrongdoings, and his constant spamming of the list.

    Trust me... Dion doesn't have the GUTS to mass produce a new game like ROTD or KOF 2002. Just like he doesn't have the GUTS to come on this very forum and defend himself.
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    has anyone considered 'accidentally' sending an 'official NGF KOF 200x' back to SNK for refurbishing?

    I mean, I'm sure that SNK has some customer support system, so just play dumb and send them an NGF release with a complaint that it doesn't work right. All those stickers and stamps will tell where it's from.

    A little underhanded, but from the sounds of the reply E-mail, I'd say SNK doesn't know what's going on.

    hell, maybe you'll even get a real release version of the game back!

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    [quote]Originally posted by VinylBoy:
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    He does this as a deterrment from the issue. Members on the DHP list are blitzed with this unnecessary self glorification on a regular basis. &lt;snip&gt; Unfortunately, the person running the list hasn't felt it was necessary for Dion to be banned from the DHP list, despite all of his past and present wrongdoings, and his constant spamming of the list.

    </strong><hr></blockquote>

    Actually, when I was on the list Dion did get banned a while back, but he tried to make it look like he decided to leave on his own or something like that.
    I think Deuce said it best, just tune him out. Pretend he's a pot of boiling water. After a while he'll be nothing at all.

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    [quote]Originally posted by m_bish0p:
    <strong>has anyone considered 'accidentally' sending an 'official NGF KOF 200x' back to SNK for refurbishing?

    I mean, I'm sure that SNK has some customer support system, so just play dumb and send them an NGF release with a complaint that it doesn't work right. All those stickers and stamps will tell where it's from.

    A little underhanded, but from the sounds of the reply E-mail, I'd say SNK doesn't know what's going on.

    hell, maybe you'll even get a real release version of the game back!

    [ November 01, 2002: Message edited by: m_bish0p ]</strong><hr></blockquote>

    HAHA!!! <img src="graemlins/eek2.gif" border="0" alt="[Eek 2]" /> that would be funny <img src="graemlins/smirk.gif" border="0" alt="[Smirk]" /> ...but it wouldn't really do anything... <img src="graemlins/ohno.gif" border="0" alt="[Oh No]" /> ...SNK will catch up to NGF...eventually...(I hope)
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    I just contacted the U.S. copyrights office to ask them about this. More info from them as this develops. It's not just because Chris and Dion are retards it's because they are openly defying copyrights held by SNK, and we're now in a time when the U.S. government and the U.S. postal service is cracking down on people that do this sort of business. I personally don't see how this is different than all the people selling boot movies, tapes and cd's on the streets.

    Also to anyone who has pruchased something from them that was in direct violation of SNK's copyrights. You (the buyer) could file a mail fraud complaint at <a href="http://www.usps.com" target="_blank">www.usps.com</a> and see what they say about it. Just a suggestion.
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    [quote]Originally posted by gunrock46:
    <strong>I just contacted the U.S. copyrights office to ask them about this. More info from them as this develops.</strong><hr></blockquote>

    Way to take the initiative!

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    [quote]Originally posted by thundr51:
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    Actually, when I was on the list Dion did get banned a while back, but he tried to make it look like he decided to leave on his own or something like that.
    I think Deuce said it best, just tune him out. Pretend he's a pot of boiling water. After a while he'll be nothing at all.</strong><hr></blockquote>

    Around here it's MUCH easier than on the DHP list... especially since the administrator there does nothing against the flame wars. I've been on the mailing list for many years, and I never actually seen Dion or Chris banned from it. In fact, i think only 2 or 3 people have ever been banned from the list that I can think of.

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    [quote]Originally posted by Kyo 2000:
    <strong>NOTHING is going to happen and we ALL know it.</strong><hr></blockquote>

    It's a shit attitude like that which won't help things get accomplished. Think happy thoughts. What's the worst thing the copyright office could say? "We'll look into this for you,"
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