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LOLz, he probably didn't even know that Lincoln is in the Ford family.Kim _Kaphwan said:
And he also tried to race a Mark VIII, what the fuck is that retard thinking?
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And he also tried to race a Mark VIII, what the fuck is that retard thinking?
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yeah later today my friend who drives an alfa 164 from the mid ninties raced that same idiot and beat him. his truck is obviously shitty and he's obviously a lame driver and lives somewhere near us. and probably has another car that's supposed to be fast. or he just thinks his pickup is fast.Lets Gekiga In said:LOLz, he probably didn't even know that Lincoln is in the Ford family.
And he also tried to race a Mark VIII, what the fuck is that retard thinking?
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Well, the Z06 does certainly have excellent brakes.Mushiki said:
But you also have to remember that the Z06 also weighs around 700-800 pounds less than the SLR.
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Almost Showtime: A look at what’s on tap so far for the 2006 Detroit auto show
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Posted Date: 12/16/05
The North American International Auto Show is a little more than a month away, and the world’s automakers are gearing up for the big event. Here’s what we’ve learned so far about what will be on the show stands. Stay tuned for more updates and complete coverage of the show. Press days begin Sunday, January 8th.
Audi
First shown as a concept, above, in Tokyo, the production TT will keep the show car’s 3.2-liter 250-hp V6 and six-speed manual, though DSG will be available. It hits 62 mph in six seconds. The production car will come in both coupe and roadster form, with smaller engines offered. Word on the street is that the Audi will also show its performance A6, the S6, will be powered by a V10 of around 5.2 liters and 440 horsepower. We expect Audi to offer both six-speed automatic and seven-speed direct-shift gearboxes.
BMW Z4 M roadster
This is BMW’s answer to the Mercedes-Benz SLK55 AMG and Porsche Boxster S, The M roadster gets the same 3.2-liter inline-six engine as the soon-to-be-discontinued fourth-generation M3. The engine produces 343 hp, 78 hp more than the 3.0-liter I6 in the facelifted Z4 3.0i. Look for the same powerplant in the M version of the Z4 Coupe when it arrives in 2007. Drive goes through a standard six-speed manual gearbox to the rear wheels. BMW claims the 3267-pound roadster hits 62 mph from a standstill in 5.0 seconds-a mere 0.1 second slower than the SLK55 AMG and 0.5 second faster than the Boxster S. The M version of Z4 roadster will likely start on the high side of $50,000, slightly more expensive than the M3 Coupe but less than the M3 convertible. Look for sales beginning by March or April 2006.
Chevrolet Camaro
The Camaro rides on GM’s global rear drive platform, formerly known as Zeta. Power comes from the Corvette’s 400 hp LS2 V8. A production version of the car isn’t expected to go on sale for at least another three years, sources say.
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Dodge Caliber, Jeep Compass
Jeep unveiled the concept Compass, above, at the Frankfurt show, but it makes its debut as a production car in Detroit. Caliber, Compass and the Jeep Patriot share a platform with a 103.7-inch wheelbase and 2.4-liter engine. The Compass is meant to be the boy racer of the group, the Patriot (due later this auto show season) your more traditional Jeep. They also share that platform with the cool-looking Dodge Caliber crossover, which replaces Neon. It originally appeared as a concept in Geneva back in March.
Dodge Challenger
Dodge’s Challenger concept draws on the iconic 1970 model, says Tom Tremont of Chrysler’s Pacifica studio in California. The concept incorporates distinctive Challenger cues: the rear fender kick, wide-mouth front end, functional hood scoops and rectangular exhaust tips. The concept is built on a shortened Chrysler 300/Dodge Charger chassis (116-inch wheelbase vs. 120 inches), and gets a 6.1-liter Hemi hooked to a six-speed manual transmission with a pistol-grip shifter. Will they build it? With hardware in place and a primed market, we can’t see why not.
Ford Edge/Lincoln Aviator
The 2007 Ford Edge and Lincoln Aviator crossover utility vehicles will debut in Detroit. Both models feature a new 3.5-liter, 250-hp, 240-lb-ft 24-valve dohc V6 linked to a new six-speed automatic transmission created for front-drive applications. The transmission, which also can be used in all-wheel-drive vehicles and is capable of handling up to 300 hp and 280 lb-ft of torque, is the product of a joint engineering effort with General Motors. The engine, which Ford says will power one in five Ford vehicles by 2010, is designed to accommodate hybrid technology, direct gasoline injection and turbocharging. Look for Edge and Aviator in dealerships next fall, in front- and all-wheel-drive configurations.
Geely
Yes, the Chinese are coming and automaker Geely will be the first Chinese company to show a car in Detroit. Geely, which had a display of vehicles in Frankfurt, hopes to enter the U.S. market by the end of the decade. Geely (pronounced GEE-lee), located in Hangzhou, the capital city of Zhejiang province, will have an exhibit in the concourse of Cobo Center during press week where it will show one of its cars, the 7151 CK. Geely hasn’t yet submitted any model to the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency for testing and certification. Geely also has no dealer network yet but says it would like to start signing some in the next year to 18 months.
GM full sized utes
Other than the Camaro, GM’s full-size SUVs are the company’s biggest news. The 2007 Chevrolet Tahoe, GMC Yukon, and Cadillac Escalade are all new and ride on what GM calls its 900 platform. The V8s are new as well, and The new range of V8 engine offerings includes a base 290-hp 4.8-liter; two 5.3-liters (one aluminum block and one iron block), with Displacement On Demand making 320 hp; a 6.0-liter heavy-duty with variable-valve timing, 350 hp; and another 6.0-liter with both Displacement On Demand and variable valve timing good for 355 hp. At the top of the range is a 6.2-liter with variable valve timing in 380- and 400-hp versions. GM promises much better build quality this time around. They all go on sale early next year.
Hyundai
Hyundai is set to show its HCD9 Talus concept car, which the automaker says will provide 'a glimpse of the future in the sports car segment,' according to the automaker. The HCD9 will be unveiled along with the world debut of the company's next generation Santa Fe ute.
Jaguar XK convertible
The XK convertible uses the same 4.2-liter 300-hp V8 and aluminum body as the coupe. The convertible weighs just 3759 pounds, with a top that opens and closes in less than 18 seconds. Pricing will be released later this year before it goes on sale next spring.
Lexus LS sedan
The concept was shown in Tokyo, now comes the production car’s world premier. Picture the concept with a little less chrome and smaller wheels and you’ve about got the production car. The fourth-generation LS will arrive in showrooms late next year. A hybrid version will be offered.
AUTOWEEK
Posted Date: 12/16/05
The North American International Auto Show is a little more than a month away, and the world’s automakers are gearing up for the big event. Here’s what we’ve learned so far about what will be on the show stands. Stay tuned for more updates and complete coverage of the show. Press days begin Sunday, January 8th.
Audi
First shown as a concept, above, in Tokyo, the production TT will keep the show car’s 3.2-liter 250-hp V6 and six-speed manual, though DSG will be available. It hits 62 mph in six seconds. The production car will come in both coupe and roadster form, with smaller engines offered. Word on the street is that the Audi will also show its performance A6, the S6, will be powered by a V10 of around 5.2 liters and 440 horsepower. We expect Audi to offer both six-speed automatic and seven-speed direct-shift gearboxes.
BMW Z4 M roadster
This is BMW’s answer to the Mercedes-Benz SLK55 AMG and Porsche Boxster S, The M roadster gets the same 3.2-liter inline-six engine as the soon-to-be-discontinued fourth-generation M3. The engine produces 343 hp, 78 hp more than the 3.0-liter I6 in the facelifted Z4 3.0i. Look for the same powerplant in the M version of the Z4 Coupe when it arrives in 2007. Drive goes through a standard six-speed manual gearbox to the rear wheels. BMW claims the 3267-pound roadster hits 62 mph from a standstill in 5.0 seconds-a mere 0.1 second slower than the SLK55 AMG and 0.5 second faster than the Boxster S. The M version of Z4 roadster will likely start on the high side of $50,000, slightly more expensive than the M3 Coupe but less than the M3 convertible. Look for sales beginning by March or April 2006.
Chevrolet Camaro
The Camaro rides on GM’s global rear drive platform, formerly known as Zeta. Power comes from the Corvette’s 400 hp LS2 V8. A production version of the car isn’t expected to go on sale for at least another three years, sources say.
Chrysler Group
Dodge Caliber, Jeep Compass
Jeep unveiled the concept Compass, above, at the Frankfurt show, but it makes its debut as a production car in Detroit. Caliber, Compass and the Jeep Patriot share a platform with a 103.7-inch wheelbase and 2.4-liter engine. The Compass is meant to be the boy racer of the group, the Patriot (due later this auto show season) your more traditional Jeep. They also share that platform with the cool-looking Dodge Caliber crossover, which replaces Neon. It originally appeared as a concept in Geneva back in March.
Dodge Challenger
Dodge’s Challenger concept draws on the iconic 1970 model, says Tom Tremont of Chrysler’s Pacifica studio in California. The concept incorporates distinctive Challenger cues: the rear fender kick, wide-mouth front end, functional hood scoops and rectangular exhaust tips. The concept is built on a shortened Chrysler 300/Dodge Charger chassis (116-inch wheelbase vs. 120 inches), and gets a 6.1-liter Hemi hooked to a six-speed manual transmission with a pistol-grip shifter. Will they build it? With hardware in place and a primed market, we can’t see why not.
Ford Edge/Lincoln Aviator
The 2007 Ford Edge and Lincoln Aviator crossover utility vehicles will debut in Detroit. Both models feature a new 3.5-liter, 250-hp, 240-lb-ft 24-valve dohc V6 linked to a new six-speed automatic transmission created for front-drive applications. The transmission, which also can be used in all-wheel-drive vehicles and is capable of handling up to 300 hp and 280 lb-ft of torque, is the product of a joint engineering effort with General Motors. The engine, which Ford says will power one in five Ford vehicles by 2010, is designed to accommodate hybrid technology, direct gasoline injection and turbocharging. Look for Edge and Aviator in dealerships next fall, in front- and all-wheel-drive configurations.
Geely
Yes, the Chinese are coming and automaker Geely will be the first Chinese company to show a car in Detroit. Geely, which had a display of vehicles in Frankfurt, hopes to enter the U.S. market by the end of the decade. Geely (pronounced GEE-lee), located in Hangzhou, the capital city of Zhejiang province, will have an exhibit in the concourse of Cobo Center during press week where it will show one of its cars, the 7151 CK. Geely hasn’t yet submitted any model to the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency for testing and certification. Geely also has no dealer network yet but says it would like to start signing some in the next year to 18 months.
GM full sized utes
Other than the Camaro, GM’s full-size SUVs are the company’s biggest news. The 2007 Chevrolet Tahoe, GMC Yukon, and Cadillac Escalade are all new and ride on what GM calls its 900 platform. The V8s are new as well, and The new range of V8 engine offerings includes a base 290-hp 4.8-liter; two 5.3-liters (one aluminum block and one iron block), with Displacement On Demand making 320 hp; a 6.0-liter heavy-duty with variable-valve timing, 350 hp; and another 6.0-liter with both Displacement On Demand and variable valve timing good for 355 hp. At the top of the range is a 6.2-liter with variable valve timing in 380- and 400-hp versions. GM promises much better build quality this time around. They all go on sale early next year.
Hyundai
Hyundai is set to show its HCD9 Talus concept car, which the automaker says will provide 'a glimpse of the future in the sports car segment,' according to the automaker. The HCD9 will be unveiled along with the world debut of the company's next generation Santa Fe ute.
Jaguar XK convertible
The XK convertible uses the same 4.2-liter 300-hp V8 and aluminum body as the coupe. The convertible weighs just 3759 pounds, with a top that opens and closes in less than 18 seconds. Pricing will be released later this year before it goes on sale next spring.
Lexus LS sedan
The concept was shown in Tokyo, now comes the production car’s world premier. Picture the concept with a little less chrome and smaller wheels and you’ve about got the production car. The fourth-generation LS will arrive in showrooms late next year. A hybrid version will be offered.
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Mazda
Remember the Mazda MX-Crossport Mazda showed last year? The CX-7 is the production version. Though a crossover sport/utility like corporate cousin the Ford Edge and Lincoln Aviator, the 2007 Mazda CX-7 is a wholly Mazda-developed vehicle that doesn’t share chassis with the other Ford CUVs. CX-7 is powered by a 2.3-liter, 244-hp turbocharged four-cylinder engine.
The Kabura concept is a sports coupe designed at the Mazda design center in California. The Kabura is the third in a series of concepts from Mazda starting with the Sassou (shown in Frankfurt), which was designed at Mazda’s European design center. Next came the Senku, which was designed in Japan and shown at the Tokyo show. All ride on a rear-drive platform.
Mercedes-Benz GL-Class
Mercedes-Benz’s new GL450 will debut in the U.S. market with a 335-horsepower 4.6-liter V8 engine, a seven-speed automatic transmission and 4MATIC full-time four-wheel drive. The GL will come with four-wheel independent suspension, and optional Airmatic suspension. Standard features such as DSR downhill control will help should the Benz owner venture off road. An optional Off-Road Pro package includes a two-speed transfer case and locks the center and rear differentials. The package also includes modified air suspension that can increase ground clearance to 12 inches. The GL is designed to accommodate up to seven passengers. As a five-seater it can carry 43.8 cubic feet of cargo.
Mitsubishi
Mitsubishi will have world reveals of two vehicles: The 2007 Eclipse Spyder and the Concept-CT MIEV. The Spyder is based on the new-for-2006 Eclipse coupe. Both of the Spyder’s trim levels, GS and GT, will be available with the MIVEC engine and 650-watt Rockford Fosgate Premium Audio system.
The Concept-CT MIEV is meant to show forward-thinking in B-segment packaging—to create a desirable small car optimized for today’s needs. Designed at the Mitsubishi Motors design center in Cypress, Calif., the Concept-CT will feature a hybrid powertrain using a gasoline engine with Mitsubishi In-wheel motor Electronic Vehicle (MIEV) technology, a function recently shown at the Tokyo show. With MIEV, the wheels are driven by four in-wheel electric motors.
Nissan Versa
This is Nissan’s answer for those who think its Sentra small car is too fancy for an entry-level buyer. Arriving in the United States next summer as a hatch-back, followed by a sedan by late 2006, the Mexican-built Versa boasts six feet of interior space despite its diminutive size. Power comes from a 1.8-liter, 120-hp, 125-lb-ft four-cylinder mated to a choice of a four- speed automatic, a six-speed manual or a continuously variable trans. Prices will range from $12,000 to $15,500, with the typical Versa priced around $13,500.
Nissan Urge
Nissan’s Urge concept was created at Nissan's studio in La Jolla, Calif., by car designers who are also motorcycle enthusiasts, said Bruce Campbell, vice president of design for Nissan Design America. A key goal of the Urge is to give the driver and passenger the sensation of the road going by, Campbell said. The concept is fitted with a small high-revving engine and rear-wheel drive. An Xbox 360 gaming system is part of the interior.
Toyota Camry
Toyota’s all-new, 2007 Camry will make its world debut in Detroit, along with the Camry Hybrid. The Camry has been the best-selling car in America for seven of the past eight years. Toyota promises the all-new Camry will have significantly improved performance and new level of comfort and refinement. Toyota’s Hybrid Synergy Drive will be available in the 2007 Camry.
VW Beduin
VW will show the Beduin, a go-anywhere five-door SUV due in 2007. Wolfsburg’s small mudslinger, based on parts from both the Golf and Passat, intends to build on the success of the larger and more luxurious Touareg, providing Volkswagen with a rival to the Toyota RAV4 and Land Rover Freelander. Upper-end versions will take on the likes of BMW’s X3.
Source: http://www.autoweek.com/news.cms?newsId=103802
Remember the Mazda MX-Crossport Mazda showed last year? The CX-7 is the production version. Though a crossover sport/utility like corporate cousin the Ford Edge and Lincoln Aviator, the 2007 Mazda CX-7 is a wholly Mazda-developed vehicle that doesn’t share chassis with the other Ford CUVs. CX-7 is powered by a 2.3-liter, 244-hp turbocharged four-cylinder engine.
The Kabura concept is a sports coupe designed at the Mazda design center in California. The Kabura is the third in a series of concepts from Mazda starting with the Sassou (shown in Frankfurt), which was designed at Mazda’s European design center. Next came the Senku, which was designed in Japan and shown at the Tokyo show. All ride on a rear-drive platform.
Mercedes-Benz GL-Class
Mercedes-Benz’s new GL450 will debut in the U.S. market with a 335-horsepower 4.6-liter V8 engine, a seven-speed automatic transmission and 4MATIC full-time four-wheel drive. The GL will come with four-wheel independent suspension, and optional Airmatic suspension. Standard features such as DSR downhill control will help should the Benz owner venture off road. An optional Off-Road Pro package includes a two-speed transfer case and locks the center and rear differentials. The package also includes modified air suspension that can increase ground clearance to 12 inches. The GL is designed to accommodate up to seven passengers. As a five-seater it can carry 43.8 cubic feet of cargo.
Mitsubishi
Mitsubishi will have world reveals of two vehicles: The 2007 Eclipse Spyder and the Concept-CT MIEV. The Spyder is based on the new-for-2006 Eclipse coupe. Both of the Spyder’s trim levels, GS and GT, will be available with the MIVEC engine and 650-watt Rockford Fosgate Premium Audio system.
The Concept-CT MIEV is meant to show forward-thinking in B-segment packaging—to create a desirable small car optimized for today’s needs. Designed at the Mitsubishi Motors design center in Cypress, Calif., the Concept-CT will feature a hybrid powertrain using a gasoline engine with Mitsubishi In-wheel motor Electronic Vehicle (MIEV) technology, a function recently shown at the Tokyo show. With MIEV, the wheels are driven by four in-wheel electric motors.
Nissan Versa
This is Nissan’s answer for those who think its Sentra small car is too fancy for an entry-level buyer. Arriving in the United States next summer as a hatch-back, followed by a sedan by late 2006, the Mexican-built Versa boasts six feet of interior space despite its diminutive size. Power comes from a 1.8-liter, 120-hp, 125-lb-ft four-cylinder mated to a choice of a four- speed automatic, a six-speed manual or a continuously variable trans. Prices will range from $12,000 to $15,500, with the typical Versa priced around $13,500.
Nissan Urge
Nissan’s Urge concept was created at Nissan's studio in La Jolla, Calif., by car designers who are also motorcycle enthusiasts, said Bruce Campbell, vice president of design for Nissan Design America. A key goal of the Urge is to give the driver and passenger the sensation of the road going by, Campbell said. The concept is fitted with a small high-revving engine and rear-wheel drive. An Xbox 360 gaming system is part of the interior.
Toyota Camry
Toyota’s all-new, 2007 Camry will make its world debut in Detroit, along with the Camry Hybrid. The Camry has been the best-selling car in America for seven of the past eight years. Toyota promises the all-new Camry will have significantly improved performance and new level of comfort and refinement. Toyota’s Hybrid Synergy Drive will be available in the 2007 Camry.
VW Beduin
VW will show the Beduin, a go-anywhere five-door SUV due in 2007. Wolfsburg’s small mudslinger, based on parts from both the Golf and Passat, intends to build on the success of the larger and more luxurious Touareg, providing Volkswagen with a rival to the Toyota RAV4 and Land Rover Freelander. Upper-end versions will take on the likes of BMW’s X3.
Source: http://www.autoweek.com/news.cms?newsId=103802
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So basically to sum things up...
...the new Camaro will have the LS2 (400 hp) engine from the Corvette.
...the new Camaro will have the LS2 (400 hp) engine from the Corvette.
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Lets Gekiga In said:So basically to sum things up...
...the new Camaro will have the LS2 (400 hp) engine from the Corvette.
Well the Z28 and the SS had the LS1 engine from the Corvette.
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Oh what people do with their Carrera GTs. 
I know that cars are meant to be driven, but that does not mean that people can act stupid while driving them.
I know that cars are meant to be driven, but that does not mean that people can act stupid while driving them.
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Oh God, I hope that one can be fixed. It would be a shame to have one less Carrera GT on the Earth. And the driver, if he or she survived, should be euthanized.Charles Franklin Fernandez said:Oh what people do with their Carrera GTs.
I know that cars are meant to be driven, but that does not mean that people can act stupid while driving them.
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Still, having the LS2 and that big of a bump in HP is really nice, while the Mustang GT will "only" have 300 hp.Charles Franklin Fernandez said:Well the Z28 and the SS had the LS1 engine from the Corvette.
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Lets Gekiga In said:Still, having the LS2 and that big of a bump in HP is really nice, while the Mustang GT will "only" have 300 hp.
True, but the Corvette Z06 has more POWA!!!
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Kim _Kaphwan said:
Forget El Camino, I just want a bad ass NOMAD!!!
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Good luck trying to get an '06 Z06 for $65k.Charles Franklin Fernandez said:True, but the Corvette Z06 has more POWA!!!
A friend of mine was really looking forward to buying one and those fucked up dealers wanted $20k extra! So he walked right out the door.
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Lets Gekiga In said:Good luck trying to get an '06 Z06 for $65k.
A friend of mine was really looking forward to buying one and those fucked up dealers wanted $20k extra! So he walked right out the door.
He should have talked to a fleet manager, not the vultures disguised as salesmen.
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Doesn't really matter, it's GM's loss. He said he'll probably get the Viper instead. That way he gets 510 hp and a convertible.Charles Franklin Fernandez said:
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Lets Gekiga In said:Doesn't really matter, it's GM's loss. He said he'll probably get the Viper instead. That way he gets 510 hp and a convertible.
And his ass kicked when a Z06 makes him eat dust.
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You should know better than to compare coupes to convertibles!Charles Franklin Fernandez said:And his ass kicked when a Z06 makes him eat dust.
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Lets Gekiga In said:You should know better than to compare coupes to convertibles!
Yep, coupes are better because when another car beats you, you will not have to eat their dust.
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You should also know that there is more to buying cars than buying them just for straight line performance.Charles Franklin Fernandez said:Yep, coupes are better because when another car beats you, you will not have to eat their dust.
I remember the C&D article comparing the Viper SRT-10 Coupe and Z06 said that the Viper handled better. If a person is getting a Z06, the suspension needs to be beefed up. Too soft for C&D.
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Lets Gekiga In said:You should also know that there is more to buying cars than just straight line performance.
I remember the C&D article comparing the Viper SRT-10 Coupe and Z06 said that the Viper handled better. If a person is getting a Z06, the suspension needs to be beefed up. Too soft for C&D.
And remember that Car and Driver is written by a bunch of panzies. I do have that magazine issue along with Road & Tracks and MotorTrend, which also made comparisons between th e Z06 and the Viper Coupe. And guess what, the other magazines stated the the Z06 has a better handling than the Viper. As a matter of fact, the Viper beated the Z06 in straight line performance (0-60, etc).
And remember you are talking to a guy who used to own a 1986 Porsche 944 Turbo and a 1995 BMW M3, so I know a little bit about handling.
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Charles Franklin Fernandez said:Oh what people do with their Carrera GTs.
I know that cars are meant to be driven, but that does not mean that people can act stupid while driving them.
ahem --
the driver actually died.
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Yeah, but you owned beater sportscars.Charles Franklin Fernandez said:And remember that Car and Driver is written by a bunch of panzies. I do have that magazine issue along with Road & Tracks and MotorTrend, which also made comparisons between th e Z06 and the Viper Coupe. And guess what, the other magazines stated the the Z06 has a better handling than the Viper. As a matter of fact, the Viper beated the Z06 in straight line performance (0-60, etc).
And remember you are talking to a guy who used to own a 1986 Porsche 944 Turbo and a 1995 BMW M3, so I know a little bit about handling.
My dad owned a brand new 944 Turbo (1989) and brand new third gen RX-7 (1993). He also used to work for GM. I tend to listen to him on these statements. And to think C&D are "panzies" is a rather poor statement considering they always have the best performance numbers out of any car magazine, period.