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Kemps said:

Anybody shocked Jericho got Superstar of the Year? It was pretty cool, but I totally expected Cena or Edge.

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Jericho came back and won the WWE title twice and had a memorable fued with HBK. Cena as well as Edge were out for quite a bit, thus hurt their chances. Also keep in mind the awards were voted by the wrestlers and members of the WWE and not the fans themselves, otherwise Cena probably would've won as Jericho alluded to during his speech Monday night.

Arcademan said:

Jericho came back and won the WWE title twice and had a memorable fued with HBK. Cena as well as Edge were out for quite a bit, thus hurt their chances. Also keep in mind the awards were voted by the wrestlers and members of the WWE and not the fans themselves, otherwise Cena probably would've won a rigged vote because McMahon wants him to appear over with the fans as Jericho alluded to during his speech Monday night.

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Corrected.

Heh....very true

couple of the year should've been Glamarella. otherwise, most of the winners of the awards were spot on, epesicially Miz and Morisson.

TNA Impact! Results: 12-11-08

Results courtesy of PWTorch.com (direct link to Caldwell's complete report). Condensed here to in-ring results because as we all know, TNA does a hell of a lot of talking and backstage crap than actual wrestling action these days

1 -- SHEIK ABDUL BASHIR vs. ERIC YOUNG -- X Division Title tournament match quarterfinal match

With ref Shane Sewell suspended for two weeks...with pay... in the storyline, ref Earl Hebner has the assignment for this re-match of the re-match of the recent X Division Title matches. With pay? Shoot, Hebner should attack Bashir and get suspended to take two weeks off to spend Christmas at home with the family. Right on cue, Hebner got into it with Bashir, then Bashir backed away and Young bridge pinned Bashir for the pin and the win. Bashir then chased Hebner out of the ring before Hebner smiled and raised Young's hand on the ramp. They're all corrupt. Young now gets the winner of Shelley vs. Lethal.

WINNER: Young in 3:00. Just a rapid-paced X Division match without enough time to tell a complete story. Completely fine, but completely forgettable. (*)

2 -- ALEX SHELLEY (w/Chris Sabin) vs. JAY LETHAL -- X Division Title tournament match quarterfinal match

Lethal came to the ring holding the briefcase he took from Shelley at the PPV just to rub it in Shelley's face a little bit more. Shelley had enough and attacked Lethal from behind. Sabin tried to get involved early, but Lethal shoved him to the floor and landed a sudden suicide dive on the floor. Lethal then tried to get back in the ring, but Shelley kicked the middle rope, crotching Lethal. He followed with an over the shoulder belly to back piledriver and scored the pin for the win.

WINNER: Shelley in 2:00. Another super-fast X Division match without any time to develop. (3/4*)

3 -- JAMES STORM (w/Miss Jacqueline) vs. ABYSS -- Beer on a Pole match

Storm nailed the Last Call superkick at 3:00, then he grabbed the beer bottle hanging from the pole. Storm tried to smash Abyss with the bottle, but Abyss went right into a Black Hole Slam. He could have scored the pin, but Abyss opted to pick up the beer bottle and point at Storm to ask the crowd whether he should nail him. Suddenly, Jackie stole the beer bottle out of Abyss's hand and ran right into Matt Morgan, who came out on stage. Morgan then lifted up Jackie to tease violence on a woman, but Robert Roode ran to ringside and low-blowed Morgan. He got what was coming to him. Roode then smashed Abyss with a steel chair and Storm pinned Abyss for the win.

Post-match: Storm and Roode tried a post-match beating on Abyss, but Morgan made the save. He then wanted to give Roode a ride to the mile high club, but Storm smashed him from behind with the beer bottle. Abyss re-entered with a chair in hand, then Roode and Storm bailed. A medic then covered Morgan's head with a towel to stop the bleeding from the beer shot.

WINNER: Storm in 4:00. Morgan somehow finds a way to be less and less endearing as a babyface each week, threatening to hit a woman before getting his with a low blow. Feud continues with Abyss & Morgan chasing the tag champs. (*)

4 -- CHRISTY HEMME vs. SOJOURNER BOLT

Random Knockouts match here with a show of mutual respect between the two to start things off. Hemme won in a few minutes with a roll-up to impress management for a potential re-match with Awesome Kong for the Knockouts Title. After the match, Hemme went for a handshake, but Bolt slapped her across the face. Hemme snapped and attacked Bolt, who escaped through the throng of referees that stormed the ring. Bolt screamed back at Hemme as refs stood in between them.

WINNER: Hemme in 4:00. Quick Knockouts match and a nice, but sudden post-match

5 -- BROTHER RAY vs. KURT ANGLE

Brother Ray came to the ring for the main event, then he waited for Kurt Angle, who suddenly snuck up behind him to get a jump-start on Ray. The match spilled to the floor, then Angle squatted near the PPV poster wall and Ray charged him, but Angle easily moved and Ray crashed through the base of the wall like a bowling ball. Let's get a break.

Still brawling back from break. Apparently during the commercial break, ref Slick Johnson did everything in his power to get the action back in the ring, but he declared a count-out. Count-out? How many other countless TNA matches have followed the same formula and been given a 20, 40, 120 count? Such a cop-out finish. The brawl continued to the trailer area on the outskirts of the arena. Ray was bleeding heavily, then Ray threw Angle into the side of the trailer. Security tried to intervene as they reached catering, but Ray shoved Angle into a structure.

Ray told Angle that if he didn't have a wife or kids, he would end Angle's life right now. Ray called him a piece of crap as Angle stared back with a glassy look of disbelief. Angle told him to hold on and talk this out. From behind, the Mafia jumped Ray and beat him down to draw more blood. Sting was in a suit while the others were dressed for a fight. Sting stood by watching the action as the Mafia dumped various weapons on Ray's head.

Sting was then shown walking away down the long walk back to the arena area. Ray then tried to run away toward Nash, but Steiner and Angle cut him off and threw him into a dumpster. Booker surveyed the scene while Steiner talked trash while Ray was in the trash. Ray was shown out cold on a pile of trash as they closed the show. Angle said nobody messed with the Main Event Mafia.

WINNER: Double count-out in 6:00. Intense show-closing angle to re-establish Mafia's dominance after a big tease throughout the show. Sting remains the question mark in this, creating intrigue. It's good, but the inconsistency on the application of in-ring rules was ridiculous, as usual. (n/a)

And as no major surprise, Curry Man opened his briefcase and found out he was FIRED!!!

Christopher Daniels is coming back! Yay!

does it really matter anymore...i just watched TNA for the first time in months (other than reading the results here), and it's still god-awful.

Christopher Daniels deserves better, hell...most of the TNA roster deserves better.

TemJin3000 said:

does it really matter anymore...i just watched TNA for the first time in months (other than reading the results here), and it's still god-awful.

Christopher Daniels deserves better, hell...most of the TNA roster deserves better.

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Every time I give TNA a chance, there's always something stupid in the show that reminds me why I don't watch it. Like "Sarah Palin" visiting the Impact Zone.

The biggest drawbacks to Impact! to me is how they can only have 20 minutes of wrestling out of a 2 hour show and as James Caldwell has pointed out in his report all so many times...when it comes to main event matches, the rule book is always thrown out and the endings make no sense whatsoever. They spend too much time with backstage storylines and fail in many instances to follow up on them through when it comes to the matches themselves.

Arcademan said:

The biggest drawbacks to Impact! to me is how they can only have 20 minutes of wrestling out of a 2 hour show and as James Caldwell has pointed out in his report all so many times...when it comes to main event matches, the rule book is always thrown out and the endings make no sense whatsoever. They spend too much time with backstage storylines and fail in many instances to follow up on them through when it comes to the matches themselves.

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The resemblance to late 90s WCW is uncanny. I went to one TNA show and the only thing that people chanted was "Fire Russo".

I saw that Shelly/Lethal match last night and it was crap. I couldn't watch all of TNA because of the weak cards and showings lately.

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WWE Smackdown Results: 12-12-08

Results courtesy of PWTorch.com (direct link to Park's complete report). Condensed here to in-ring results only.

1- MVP vs. R-TRUTH

Truth is coming off a loss to Dolph Ziggler on Monday, and MVP lost to Charlie Haas the same night. Hard to say which is worse. MVP got a overhead throw, then tripped Truth up and sent him face-first into the mat. Chin-lock less than two minutes in, so this one isn’t going long. There were some light “MVP” chants from the crowd as Montel Vontavious Porter continued his offensive onslaught. Camel Clutch by MVP. Truth worked himself out of it and fought out of the corner. MVP slammed Truth down after Porter looked confused about what he was going to do when he caught Truth on a cross-body attempt. MVP made several re-adjustments before turning it into a kind-of side slam. Truth, out of nowhere, rolled MVP up for the win.

WINNER: Truth, at 3:41. Most of the wins coming against MVP now are fluky types, like roll-up, as opposed to early in his losing streak when he was losing clean. So it looks like the bulk of his punishment is over.

2- PRIMO COLON vs. THE BRIAN KENDRICK

Quick take-down by Primo. Kendrick came back with an arm-drag, but took too much time celebrating and Primo got in an arm-drag of his own. High-energy offense from Primo as Kendrick got into the ropes to break his momentum. Kendrick ran around ringside and hid behind Zeke. Back-heel kick by Kendrick and Primo was sent out of the ring. Zeke was about to put his hands on Primo when Carlito appeared around the other side to even things up. Tazz kept talking about how “bizarre” Kendrick is. The Brian choked Primo in the ropes. Modified Camel Clutch applied by Kendrick for the second time. Kendrick missed a high knee in the corner and Primo started his comeback with some left hands. Crowd was really behind Colon in this match. Springboard cross-body from Primo got two. Primo went to the top, but Zeke got on the apron. Carlito put a stop to that but Zeke pushed him right into the steel steps. Primo was distracted by this entire sequence, and was kicked by Kendrick as soon as he came through the ropes and back into the ring, then was rolled up by Kendrick for the pinfall.

WINNER: Kendrick, at 7:30. Surprised they got this much time. Not a bad match, with some unique moves used.

3- HURRICANE HELMS vs. SHELTON BENJAMIN

Hurricane was “already in the ring.” Not a good development for his second week back. Shelton and Hurricane traded offense, with Helms hitting a Blockbuster on Shelton, but Benjamin dropkicked Helms out of the air as Hurricane came off the top rope. Outside the ring, Shelton threw Helms into the guardrail. Benjamin worked over the recently repaired neck of Helms. Swinging neckbreaker by Benjamin for two. Benjamin put Helms in a cross arm-breaker, putting his foot right in the throat of Helms. Kind of like the Hell’s Gate. Couple clotheslines by Helms, but he missed the Shining Wizard. Inverted back-breaker by Shelton for two. A Gerald Brisco roll-up, as called by JR, got Helms a two-count. Helms to the top, he hit a relatively ugly cross-body for three.

WINNER: Helms, at 4:49. Well, Helms won in the Battle of the Carolinas. As expected, he was a little better this week. Why they didn’t show vignettes or do a story of him recovering from his long neck injury, I’ll never understand, especially since the demographics of those viewing have changed (or at least, those that WWE is catering to).

4- GREAT KHALI vs. ZACK RYDER & CURT HAWKINS

Ryder & Hawkins have generic tights now. Hawkins tried to distract Khali, then both men went after him. Naturally, that had little effect. Hawkins was thrown over the top rope while Khali slaughtered Ryder in the corner. Khali caught Ryder coming off the top with a choke, then brain-chopped Hawkins. He then chokeslammed Ryder onto Hawkins and registered the pin.

WINNER: Khali, at 1:19. Well, it was what it was.

5- THE BELLA TWINS vs. MARYSE & NATALYA

I guess Natalya found a new partner to fight the juggernaut that is the Bella Twins. Nikki and Maryse traded waist-locks, then Maryse slapped Nikki. Nikki got aggressive and Maryse found her way into the ropes. Tag made to Natalya, who ran right into drop toe-hold. Natalya just threw Brie over her head in a nice power move. Back-breaker by Maryse after a tag got two. She just toyed with Brie in the ring. Natalya tagged herself in but missed an elbow that led to Nikki coming back in. Maryse got kicked off the apron by Brie when she went for interference, and Nikki got caught by Natalya coming off the middle rope. Brie came in and dropkicked her sister in the back, knocking Natalya on her back and allowing the Bellas to pick up the win.

WINNERS: Bellas, at 4:49. The finish totally buried Natalya, as she had to sell Nikki falling on her for way longer than she should’ve. Not a very entertaining match.

6- TRIPLE H vs. JEFF HARDY

No face-paint for Jeff here. He does have a pink belt that matches his hair though. The match immediately went to the outside, where Jeff took Trips head-first into the barricade. Back in the ring, HHH went back on the attack. Jeff hit a low dropkick and HHH was sent to the outside. Then he went off the apron and barely got The Game. Both men sold it. Jeff threw Triple H into the steel steps. Jeff flung himself off the steps and onto Trips, who fell back and hit the barricade. Both men were down again. Apparently, Scott Armstrong is giving a slow ten-count on the outside. Back in the ring, Triple H clotheslined Hardy and again both men were on the mat.

Hardy got whipped into the buckle out of break. Another hard whip into the buckle and The Game got two on a pin attempt. Jeff came back and clotheslined Trips over the top rope. Hardy flew over the top rope and onto HHH. Trips pinned down Jeff’s arms with his knees and pounded on Jeff’s face. Good move. British Bulldog-like vertical suplex by HHH. Kneedrop for two. The match has slowed beyond a crawl to.....well, whatever is slower than a crawl. Face-buster by The Game for two. Hardy dodged some Trips offense and did register a near-fall. Hardy barely nicked Trips with his reverse mule kick. Hardy snuck out of a Pedigree and Hardy hit Whisper in the Wind. After a short delay, Hardy went for a cover and got two. Front suplex by Hardy. He went to the top for a Swanton, but Triple H made it to his feet. Hardy missed a shoulder to the gut and Trips went for a Pedigree, but Hardy got out of it again. Hardy put him on his back but missed a Swanton. Edge then interfered and speared both Hardy and Triple H.

WINNER: Double DQ, at 16:52. Well, you knew they wouldn’t give much away with the triple-threat match coming up Sunday, but this match was especially slow and boring. Nothing we haven’t seen before from these two.

At tonight's Raw house show in Hamilton, Ontario John Morrison and The Miz defeated Kofi Kingston and CM Punk to win the World Tag Team Titles.

Credit: Pwinsider.com

Which means the WWE is setting up Punk to take on Regal for the IC title.

WWE Armageddon PPV Results: 12-14-08

Tonight's PPV show kicks off with ECW Champion Matt Hardy defending against Vladimir Koslov. All real-time results courtesy of PWTorch.com (direct link to Caldwell's ongoing report).

WWE Armageddon PPV Results: 12-14-08

Real-time results courtesy of PWTorch.com (direct link to Caldwell's ongoing report).

1 -- ECW champion MATT HARDY vs. VLADIMIR KOSLOV -- non-title match

"U-S-A" chant to start things off. Koslov want powerslam, but Hardy counter with roll-up. Koslov want suplex and Hardy eat mat. Hardy then eat ringpost. And again. Koslov slow things down. He want the match to be slow. Koslov then headbutt to chest and slow down match.

Okay, it's rather difficult to call a match via Koslov-speak. ECW announcers Matt Striker and Todd Grisham are calling this one. Grisham said Koslov's style certainly won't win any beauty contests. In other words, he ain't busting out a flashy highspot. Hardy fought off Koslov momentarily, then the crowd came to life as Hardy hit a double sledge from the second rope. Hardy then dumped Koslov to the floor and shoved him into the ringpost. We have a blood sighting, as Hardy's left arm was cut open pretty good. Hardy, though, wanted another move from the second rope, but Koslov chopped him down to the mat. Koslov had the pin, but Hardy instinctively grabbed the bottom rope to break up the pin.

Hardy nearly scored a pin with the roll-up, but Koslov kicked out. Koslov then bounced Hardy's head off the ringpost above the top turnbuckle before nailing a headbutt to the chest. Koslov with a lift-up Rock Bottom and he pinned Hardy for the win.

WINNER: Koslov in 10:00. Well, it was better than Hunter vs. Koslov last month. Rough start, but a good finish, actually. ECW champion being pinned on PPV isn't good for the brand, but WWE is definitely more behind Koslov for Smackdown purposes. (**)

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2 -- REY MYSTERIO vs. C.M. PUNK -- Finals of #1 contender to IC Title tournament

First-time-ever bout started with a show of respect, then Punk flipped Rey clear over the top rope to the floor at the feet of Regal and Layla. Punk, with shiny new white boots, then nailed a plancha and rolled Rey back into the ring for a two count. Punk continued to dominate with a tilt-a-whirl back breaker for a two count before going to ground work. Really great exchanges in the first ten minutes. After watching Eddie vs. Rey matches on the Eddie DVD, this really reminds me of that match dynamic.

Rey almost leveraged a bridge pin at 11:00, but Punk slipped out. Of course, this got a "swashbuckling style" line from Cole. Rey then wanted the 619, but Punk avoided it and went for the Go 2 Sleep. Except, Rey countered into a head scissors that put Punk on the middle rope for Rey to nail the 619. Rey wanted the springboard leap to win, but Punk sat up to avoid the finisher. Rey then wanted a tornado DDT, but Punk caught Rey on his shoulders and nailed an absolutely sick Go 2 Sleep that snapped Rey's head back. Punk made the cover and scored the win.

WINNER: Punk in 12:00. That was a heck of an undercard match. Just great action. One of those matches that could have gone another five or six minutes and been perfectly fine extending out the nearfalls. Excellent. (***1/2)

WWE Armageddon PPV Results: 12-14-08

In-ring: JBL's limo pulled up near the stage and JBL stepped out to rub elbows with some of the unclean folks ringside. JBL then stepped into the ring and - over a "Joey Styles" chant - announced his new employee, Shawn Michaels. Michaels's music hit and HBK walked to the ring with a pensive look on his face. A few uncomfortable smiles to the fans, then JBL handed Michaels the mic once he entered the ring.

Michaels said the economy has hit everyone very hard, and he's not immune. He's in a tough spot 'cause he hears all the whispers about him being a rich WWE superstar and there being no way he could be in financial trouble. Michaels said when he entered WWE in his 20s, he gave away and spent his money. In his 30s, the injury list started to add up and he didn't want to be in debt to a wrestling company for the rest of his life. In his 40s, he invested money in the stock market to provide for his family and give to his church. Now, the market crashed and his nest egg is wasting away.

Michaels said it wouldn't be a big deal 20 years ago, but at the end of his career, he doesn't know how much time he has left to make it back. That is why he took JBL up on his offer. He said he doesn't like JBL any more than the fans, as he finds him smug, a bully, and reprehensible, but the man is good financially. He said he will put his children through college and more importantly, he's not going to become one of those guys bagging groceries and limping into a high school gym to wrestle.

"I am not going to become a wrestling tragedy," Michaels said with tears in his eyes. "I will not let that happen. You can judge me if you want. If being booed by you or being called a sell-out by you is the price I have to pay, then I'll pay it." A few fans chanted "you sold out" as Michaels paused. JBL started to pace around the ring, then Michaels said this isn't something he wants to do, but something he has to do. Michaels then handed the mic back to JBL, who extended his hand for a shake. Michaels then shook his hand to a chorus of boos. JBL quickly walked out of the ring, leaving Michaels in the ring to stare down at the mat.

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3 -- MARK HENRY (w/Tony Atlas) vs. FINLAY -- Belfast Brawl

The match quickly moved to the floor where Henry smashed Finlay into the ringpost after Finlay sold a quad injury. Suddenly, weapons became involved via Finlay, and Atlas took a blow before Henry smashed Finlay to defend Atlas's honor. Henry then hung Finlay in between the middle ropes and squashed his neck before sliding through the ropes to the floor. Finlay came back with a Kendo stick blow to the gut before executing a DDT for a nearfall. Henry then stole the Kendo stick and snapped it over his knee like a baseball player snapping a baseball bat over his knee after striking out. Henry then put Finlay in a bear hug and Hornswoggle suddenly showed up ringside. Henry then shoved Finlay into the corner causing Horny to be squashed. He then fell to the floor and disappeared under the ring.

Henry grabbed a trashcan and pressed the can into Finlay's gut to squish him. Henry began a methodical taking-apart of Finlay, then Henry grabbed the hollow "230-pound ring steps," as Matt Striker lost credibility describing, and tossed them into the ring. Finlay blocked a step shot and landed a drop toe hold sending Henry face-first into the steps. Horny then showed up ringside and slid a second shillelagh to Finlay, who cracked the thing over Henry's head and Henry fell to the earth like a tree in the forest. Finlay with the pin for the win. Afterward, Horny reluctantly approached pops after disobeying him, but they hugged.

WINNER: Finlay in 10:00. Nice brawl. Wasn't particularly memorable, but told a good story and featured enough brawling for fans who are interested in that type of match. (**)

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4 -- BATISTA vs. RANDY ORTON (w/Cody Rhodes and Manu)

Batista found himself on the floor a few minutes into the match, then ref Chioda caught Cody and Manu with their pants around their ankles attacking Batista on the floor. He then booted both from ringside, leaving it as Orton vs. Batista one-on-one. The action suddenly picked up back in the ring with Batista trying a Batistabomb, but Orton slipped out and hit a reverse neckbreaker. Orton then followed with his trademark faceplant DDT with Batista hanging horizontally across the middle rope for a nearfall.

Orton settled into his offensive attack at 10:00, then Batista came back at 11:00 with a side slam out of the corner. Slow, methodical pace to this early on. Seems like they're building to a 20-minute match. Batista nailed a spinebuster at 14:00, but Orton kicked out. Orton tried to sneak in an RKO, but Batista countered with a sloppy Black Hole Slam that wasn't good enough for a drunk Abyss or a pinfall. He wanted a spear to follow up, but Orton blocked and hit the fallaway neck-backbreaker for a two count. Orton went to the mat and pounded his fists ready to strike for the RKO, but Batista countered into a suplex for a two count.

Both men, exhausted, rested on the mat while Batista coughed out a lung and Orton slowly stalked him. He then found Batista in position for The Punt, but Batista sprang to his feet and threw Orton into the corner for clotheslines and a shoulder tackle. Batista mounted Orton for ten punches, but Orton blocked. Except, Batista blocked an Alabama Slam attempt and landed on his feet to nail the Batistabomb. Orton sold it like his body was paralyzed on his side, then Batista covered him for the win.

WINNER: Batista in 17:00. Slow match with some sloppy moments. Never really moved out of second gear, but I wouldn't take that away from the match. It was still a good effort in the ring from a psychological standpoint. I'm not buying this as the right finish. Orton is the hotter character right now and could have used a signature singles victory. (**1/2)

WWE Armageddon PPV Results: 12-14-08

5 -- MICKIE JAMES & MARIA & Divas champion MICHELLE McCOOL & KELLY KELLY vs. MARYSE & NATALYA & VICTORIA & JILLIAN HALL

Mickie's babyface team is sporting all-red in the Santa's Helper match. Heel divas in green. We've got all six broadcasters on the match calling the action and running through their diva jokes. ECW announcers have seemingly had more air time on this PPV than the previous PPVs this whole year combined. Divas action broke down at 5:00, then Michelle, with a giant red hat on, busted out a Styles Clash on Jillian Hall for the pin and the win. Striker surprisingly didn't call it that, though.

WINNERS: Team McCool in 5:00. Just a chance to get T&A on the PPV with some tight outfits and the announcers getting Vince McMahon's sophomoric humor out of their collective systems. (1/2*)

Here comes the Cena Wins match. AKA Bury Jericho match.

WWE is garbage.

I'm so pissed that I actually don't feel like watching the rest of the PPV. Jericho should have won.

DARK ANDY said:

WWE is garbage.

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Yet like a car crash you cannot look away no matter how bad it gets