'Last Hope' Central thread
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Bobak said:
God damn bobak you make me laugh! Sac carts unethical? LOL thats THE dumbest thing I have ever heard! Hahaha! KOF 2k1 WAS UNETHICAL IMO! If that damn game was ANY good at all people would not be using it as the next Sengoku 3, lol!
Knee slapper Bobak, you truely are a knee slapper! Man if anything is lackluster its your brainpower! I dont care if your admin or not anymore someone needs to say it, your bashing of this game is getting stupid and old. Move on if you dont buy GOOD games.... or if you simply are too poor to own such a great looking game! Last Hope looks and sounds fantastic, and SNKP never gave us ANYTHING like this since LAST RESORT in 1991! If someone can bring us some new games and they look as good as this, then so be it, we need new NEO-GEO games dammit, and KOF is getting repettive and old. SNKP doesnt know how to make ANYTHING new anymore. Their creativity died a long long time ago.
Just my 2 cents.
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Neo Alec said:
To me it's a matter of, well, consistency. I mean, of course buying this game is like paying for a premium, right? ROMz, dump, re-producted copies will eventually surface. So yes, the 'original' offset insert does matter to me in this 'paying for the premium' situation.
Shito: eeettoooo.... writing in katakana instead of kanji is not odd, it s like writing something in bold+italics for japanese...
but still i find it odd for a german (iirc) game to make its first batch a japanese-game lookalike. Japanese find english cool in games, Europeans find japanese cool in game, i guess we re not in phase
but still i find it odd for a german (iirc) game to make its first batch a japanese-game lookalike. Japanese find english cool in games, Europeans find japanese cool in game, i guess we re not in phase
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The hard difficulty is a good thing. The production looks awsome. Why not a JPN and US version? Why just JPN?
It appears as if NG DEV TEAM has things well in hand.
I plan to grab a copy in the near future if it's not sold out(just e-mailed them).
I'd like to see their next production be a casino simulator.Poker is HUGE and I'd love to see CRAPS ACADEMY from Amiga added.
-BB
It appears as if NG DEV TEAM has things well in hand.
I plan to grab a copy in the near future if it's not sold out(just e-mailed them).
I'd like to see their next production be a casino simulator.Poker is HUGE and I'd love to see CRAPS ACADEMY from Amiga added.
-BB
wahwah said:My god the game is realy impossible to play! I play with normal mode and the game is very very hard.
But the game is beautiful with a lot of animation on screen!
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I went and tried to edit a bit the Last Hope insert to make look a bit more consistent with the JPN-AES instert strain.
Keep in mind I'm a very ppor photoshop user, thus I just did some very basic editing, ok?
actual version:
my tentative:
Just imagine what a skilled photoshop user could create for the desing of that spine...
Keep in mind I'm a very ppor photoshop user, thus I just did some very basic editing, ok?
actual version:
my tentative:
Just imagine what a skilled photoshop user could create for the desing of that spine...
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Little downer I've noticed is one aspect of the hit detection on your ship seems dodgy. Getting hit with bulletts, touching enemies (not the little men in spacesuits), going into walls up down or in reverse is fine. But going forward into walls your ship can go in a fair way, anything from the middle of the blue front to the middle of the ship.
Still good fun though, but I do prefer the more sedate shooter to the screen full of bullets variety.
Still good fun though, but I do prefer the more sedate shooter to the screen full of bullets variety.
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Another minor editing example
actual version:
my first editing attemp:
my second editing attemp:
fixed for constistency:
1) No spacing in the kana spine writing (more correct)
2) Different colour pattern for the spine writing than the front logo /using the same one is cheap and unseen in the NeoGeo official insert)
3) NeoGeo logo on both spine and front cover
4) TM and original writing under the NeoGeo Logo
5) Spine genre babbling removed from front cover (where is not dued)
6) A bit of relocating of spine elements
actual version:
my first editing attemp:
my second editing attemp:
fixed for constistency:
1) No spacing in the kana spine writing (more correct)
2) Different colour pattern for the spine writing than the front logo /using the same one is cheap and unseen in the NeoGeo official insert)
3) NeoGeo logo on both spine and front cover
4) TM and original writing under the NeoGeo Logo
5) Spine genre babbling removed from front cover (where is not dued)
6) A bit of relocating of spine elements
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First off, from what the initial comments on gameplay are saying, it sounds like the gameplay hasn't been tweaked down since Shawn pre-tested a copy a few years ago (this was covered earlier in this thread; if you want to read more do a search in the thread on "Shawn"). Good and bad depending on who's playing I suppose. Somehow I doubt many of the purchasers are as into shooters as those who would truly appreciate the difficulty. I am neither.
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This might surprise you:
I'm in a hobby where there's an abnormally low, finite number of cartridges in the market, period. I am a purist. While not to the level of Fran, I also giggle a little at the thought of an overpriced homebrew being sold to the lemmings with too much money and just zero control [Of course, the free market is aimed at people like that and I'm all for it in this instance]. I call it unethical because I can't stand the idea that someone would take a fine Neo game and cannibalize it for some overpriced homebrew. Let the market reign; but, like the big kids economy, there are parts that I find unseemly and that I try to avoid. This, in the mircroworld of Neo-nerds, is the case here.
Does this have a lick to do with SNK? No. I don't care about SNK, I care about the Neo Geo. It's about my feelings for the Neo Geo, and I'm not alone. If you feel that I am bashing this game because, quote: "Move on if you dont buy GOOD games.... or if you simply are too poor to own such a great looking game! Last Hope looks and sounds fantastic", then you clearly have a different value system than me: I don't judge a game by pure graphics, and I don't throw money at something I have no idea about. You may define that as "poor", but in my neck of the woods it's called buyer intelligence. And in my opinion: I'm not going to fork over more than double what a new Neo game cost for something homebrew, and good graphics/sound a good game do not automatically make. Honestly, like the vast majority of posters in this thread, I think the price does not legitimize any game at that price. Some of you do, and honestly the rest of us don't get it. Remember: a lot of us are Neo owners, and we're familiar with forking over lots of money --but there is a line to our fiscal irresponsibility, and this crossed that line for many of us.
Toodles...
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Fakk2 said:God damn bobak you make me laugh! Sac carts unethical? LOL thats THE dumbest thing I have ever heard! Hahaha! KOF 2k1 WAS UNETHICAL IMO! If that damn game was ANY good at all people would not be using it as the next Sengoku 3, lol!
Knee slapper Bobak, you truely are a knee slapper! Man if anything is lackluster its your brainpower! I dont care if your admin or not anymore someone needs to say it, your bashing of this game is getting stupid and old. Move on if you dont buy GOOD games.... or if you simply are too poor to own such a great looking game! Last Hope looks and sounds fantastic, and SNKP never gave us ANYTHING like this since LAST RESORT in 1991! If someone can bring us some new games and they look as good as this, then so be it, we need new NEO-GEO games dammit, and KOF is getting repettive and old. SNKP doesnt know how to make ANYTHING new anymore. Their creativity died a long long time ago.
Just my 2 cents.
This might surprise you:
I'm in a hobby where there's an abnormally low, finite number of cartridges in the market, period. I am a purist. While not to the level of Fran, I also giggle a little at the thought of an overpriced homebrew being sold to the lemmings with too much money and just zero control [Of course, the free market is aimed at people like that and I'm all for it in this instance]. I call it unethical because I can't stand the idea that someone would take a fine Neo game and cannibalize it for some overpriced homebrew. Let the market reign; but, like the big kids economy, there are parts that I find unseemly and that I try to avoid. This, in the mircroworld of Neo-nerds, is the case here.
Does this have a lick to do with SNK? No. I don't care about SNK, I care about the Neo Geo. It's about my feelings for the Neo Geo, and I'm not alone. If you feel that I am bashing this game because, quote: "Move on if you dont buy GOOD games.... or if you simply are too poor to own such a great looking game! Last Hope looks and sounds fantastic", then you clearly have a different value system than me: I don't judge a game by pure graphics, and I don't throw money at something I have no idea about. You may define that as "poor", but in my neck of the woods it's called buyer intelligence. And in my opinion: I'm not going to fork over more than double what a new Neo game cost for something homebrew, and good graphics/sound a good game do not automatically make. Honestly, like the vast majority of posters in this thread, I think the price does not legitimize any game at that price. Some of you do, and honestly the rest of us don't get it. Remember: a lot of us are Neo owners, and we're familiar with forking over lots of money --but there is a line to our fiscal irresponsibility, and this crossed that line for many of us.
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I would shrink the Last Hope Logo just a tad,position it dead center just under that rounded portion of what I believe to be a steering mechanism. Next I would position the meg count in the bottom left and a smaller neo geo logo to the bottom right.
DEV•TEAM belongs in the top-left portion of the insert and on the base of the spine relacing that small Dev Team text.
-BB
DEV•TEAM belongs in the top-left portion of the insert and on the base of the spine relacing that small Dev Team text.
-BB
Shito said:Another minor editing example
my second editing attemp:
fixed for constistency:
1) No spacing in the kana spine writing (more correct)
2) Different colour pattern for the spine writing than the front logo /using the same one is cheap and unseen in the NeoGeo official insert)
3) NeoGeo logo on both spine and front cover
4) TM and original writing under the NeoGeo Logo
5) Spine genre babbling removed from front cover (where is not dued)
6) A bit of relocating of spine elements
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Sapphire said:
Personaly, I wouldn't pay $700 for a game, official or not. I'm more of a gamer, than a hard edge collector.
Regardless, as I said before. This game isn't "official", but from what I can tell so far, more effort was put into it than some of the games SNKP made.
I probably don't bash homebrews because I'm Atari Jag fan. Since the death of the Jag, there's been about 5 homebrews made by a company called Songbird that are beyond anything made when the system was alive. They not only push the graphic ability of the console to levels never reached by official games, but sound and gameplay wise are still top notch. Truely some of the best games released for the Jag. They've also made several homebrews for the Lynx and/or finished unrealesed titles and some of those titles are amongst the best games for the Lynx.
I guess what I'm saying is, homebrews don't have to be cheesy shit games the term normaly bring to mind ( because most are ). Some can be excellent games in all ways, they can have the same time and effort put into making them as any official game ever did and most of all...these high end homebrews keep a console alive.
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BIG BEAR said:
Your suggestion are intresting imho. Of course having proper material one could achieve a way more trimmed design. I agree about bringing up the Last Hope fornt cover logo: that's because I removed the genre babbling from the cover (that's dued only on the spine, you know). I would also center the kana writing for LAST HOPE under the logo.
Also, I do agree with the positioning of the Meg count on the bottomleft angle. On the topright angle not only the DEV•TEAM is dued, but that's dued in form of its logo, not just a copyright.
As for the NeoGeo logo on the front, yes having it a bit smaller would be better. Both topleft corner or bottom right corner would be equally good to me as for its positioning.
Also, I went again with a bit of work for a more developed spine desing. While the title kana writing on the spine has to stay simple, having a totally plain spine is a bit too 'old fashoned' imho as far as JPN-AES spine desgin goes. Hope you like my attemp.
Actual design:
My third poor edit:
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Shito said:it's quite funny the manual seems still full of 'broken japanese' to me, like the レザーのトラップ which sounds quite odd in Japanese, I think any Japanase would just use レザートラップ instead. But that's ok and fun to me: SNK used engrish for so many years, so a bit o japaneez won't hurt I guess
As in laser? If so, then レーザー is correct.
hanafudaX said:
Yup.
I really think they should have kept things simple and use english, or at least consult people who can speak/write japanese or at the verry least use things like dictionary.goo.ne.jp.
All your base are belong to us but japanese style i guess. ^^