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Amano Jacu · Feb 9, 2005

Baseley09 said:
If AW is emulated any time soon I dont see it as a problem. Only piracy would be a problem.

Much like when modern Neo Geo games were being released, only people who were to buy aes/mvs would buy them anyway, emulation is for the casual user who would not spend the money in probably 95% of cases.

I don't agree with this. First of all, emulation and bootlegging usually go together, or in fact bootlegging comes first. They both need to dump the roms (easy part) and then decrypting them (hard part). After that, bootleggers need to produce a pirate cart and emu programmers create the emulator, that should run in standar PCs. Also take care that if the emulation level was good enough, even if there were no bootlegs arcade ops could still use TEH ROMZ in MAME-like cabs.
For example CPS2 was only decrypted and emulated at the end of its life, when it was not profitable to bootleg it anyway.

Anyway, if people could play this games at home without paying a penny, who would go to the arcade to drop coins in them? The Neo Geo arcade scene began to die when emulators started to be available. I agree it didn't hurt that much AES and home MVS users (actually it might have increased them) because of the reasons you state, but anyway the true bussiness is in the arcade market (that of course it was also already more damaged by bootlegs). Right now, the home users of the AW are totally insignificant. It could also hurt the ports market (where the true home money is).

Finally, I wouldn't bother that much. I guess that French site is a joke (HPMAN, LOL). The Guru can dump as many carts as he wants, but I doubt it is possible to decrypt them, and even if it was they won't (hopefully) release them. Programming the emulator shouldn't be that hard, as the AW is basically a DC and it is already emulated.

DevilRedeemed · Feb 9, 2005

Amano Jacu said:
I don't agree with this. First of all, emulation and bootlegging usually go together, or in fact bootlegging comes first. They both need to dump the roms (easy part) and then decrypting them (hard part). After that, bootleggers need to produce a pirate cart and emu programmers create the emulator, that should run in standar PCs. Also take care that if the emulation level was good enough, even if there were no bootlegs arcade ops could still use TEH ROMZ in MAME-like cabs.
For example CPS2 was only decrypted and emulated at the end of its life, when it was not profitable to bootleg it anyway.

Anyway, if people could play this games at home without paying a penny, who would go to the arcade to drop coins in them? The Neo Geo arcade scene began to die when emulators started to be available. I agree it didn't hurt that much AES and home MVS users (actually it might have increased them) because of the reasons you state, but anyway the true bussiness is in the arcade market (that of course it was also already more damaged by bootlegs). Right now, the home users of the AW are totally insignificant. It could also hurt the ports market (where the true home money is).

Finally, I wouldn't bother that much. I guess that French site is a joke (HPMAN, LOL). The Guru can dump as many carts as he wants, but I doubt it is possible to decrypt them, and even if it was they won't (hopefully) release them. Programming the emulator shouldn't be that hard, as the AW is basically a DC and it is already emulated.

I've always thought that game makers should put really nasty viruses in the code that would not affect dedicated hardware but would fuck up your computer. that or somehow have the cart/media itself self destroy upon attempting to dump it.

Amano Jacu · Feb 9, 2005

DevilRedeemed said:
that or somehow have the cart/media itself self destroy upon attempting to dump it.

That's more or less what Capcom did with some CPS1 games, and all CPS2 and CPS3 boards, including suicide batteries in them. Thanks to it CPS2 and 3 were never bootlegged, but at the price of fucking all the current home arcade users. I always said SNK should have done the same in, say, 1995, creating a MVS2 with suicide batteries. But thankfully for some it didn't happen.

Orochi Iori Y · Feb 9, 2005

Wow... bad news for Sammy/SNKP for sure. I am sure they figured it was coming though. I had wondered why Atomiswave had not been emulated before because of how close it is to the DC and we all know DC is emulated, but like Amano Jacu said, the hard part will be decrypting those roms, I don't think that anyone has broken the encryption on CPS3 yet unless there is something I haven't heard of yet and they have been working on that one for a while.

DevilRedeemed · Feb 9, 2005

this will sound stupid but do you guys think Sammy should be informed about this? or will they aleady know?

Orochi Iori Y · Feb 9, 2005

I am sure they know and can't really do anything about it. Emulation is legal...

DevilRedeemed · Feb 9, 2005

Orochi Iori Y said:
I am sure they know and can't really do anything about it. Emulation is legal...

I know its legal, I wouldn't know if they know, I just don't think they (particularly SNKP) can afford to lose out to piracy much longer.
it doesn't really matter though as its not really suprising.
naomi hasn't been cracked though has it? and that's similar hardware.

Orochi Iori Y · Feb 9, 2005

DevilRedeemed said:
naomi hasn't been cracked though has it? and that's similar hardware.

I am pretty sure this is the case. I expect to see both CPS3 and HNG emulated before Naomi...

DevilRedeemed · Feb 10, 2005

so what does cart only GGX 1.5 go for?

BIG · Feb 10, 2005

I've seen them as low as $200 and as high as $450.

BIG-

DevilRedeemed · Feb 10, 2005

Bigp0ppaLarge said:
I've seen them as low as $200 and as high as $450.

BIG-

what GGX? I think you mean Isuka? because its the cheapest kit at coin op express and I can't see a loose one going for more than 150 dollars. could be wrong though.

Amano Jacu · Mar 9, 2005

OK, we have finally received the Neowave kit from Shawn for a friend here. I thought I would post some info here.

First of all, the game is almost a photocopy of 02. The backgrounds are in higher res but they are totally lifeless. Geese's sprite looks like shit (and he's a damn cheap and impossible bastard boss :mad:

). I am not a good enough KoF player to appreciate improvements in the gameplay, but the future owner of this kit is so I hope he can tell better.

One important thing: IT IS POSSIBLE TO CHANGE THE BUTTON CONFIGURATION so it matches the MVS set-up or whatever you want (select can be the 5th button, i.e. "heat"). Proof:

The game looks really smooth graphic-wise through RGB in my TV. The pic is shit as always, but believe me, it looks very clear:

When put in hi-res through VGA in my PC monitor, as expected, the game looks like SHIT, the fighters are low-res so they are incredibly pixelated. Backgrounds look just OK.

DevilRedeemed · Mar 9, 2005

nice post amano. I played that game quite a bit. its good but doesn't do anything special really. its just a nice little earner, gets AW exposure.

Played a racing an AW game today - faster than speed I think it was. what a let down. I've seen better things on Dreamcast - much better. It looks like shit and doesn't play to well either.

edit: oh you get a now loading screen

Arcader · Mar 10, 2005

I have an Atomiswave board with

KOV : Seven Spirits

Rumble Fish (coming soon)

Mr-Megalo · Mar 10, 2005

AJ

I agree, CPU Geese . . . . stops me from enjoying this game so much, hes sooo cheap

NeoWave as with 02 shines in 2p Mode - something I just dont get to do much

kernow · Mar 10, 2005

DevilRedeemed said:
edit: oh you get a now loading screen

thats just stupid.

Mr-Megalo · Mar 10, 2005

http://img4.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img4&image=p30300796hk.jpg

btw Amano, when you ran the Atomiswave in VGA mode did you use Atomiswave with LCD/TFT VGA monitor or CRT VGA ?

jro · Mar 10, 2005

Amano Jacu said:
One important thing: IT IS POSSIBLE TO CHANGE THE BUTTON CONFIGURATION so it matches the MVS set-up or whatever you want (select can be the 5th button, i.e. "heat"). Proof:

How did you get into that "Game settings" screen? I would love to change the controls to match MVS; it confuses the hell out of me going back and forth between Neowave and '02, '03, '96, whatever.

Fun game, even though you're right about the similarities to '02. But I don't mind, seeing as '02 is my favorite KoF, and the grooves make for a nice addition. Backgrounds look really nice, too.

Amano Jacu · Mar 10, 2005

@DevilRedeemed: I already heard the AW driving games are shitty. They should focus on classic 2D games. I saw the shooting games in Canada, they are at least OK.
About loading, I agree it is non-sense in arcade games while playing. Neowave loads for quite a while on start-up (so no problem here), but I didn't notice it in-game.

@Mr-Megalo: My usual PC monitor, the one pictured in this thread, is LCD. However I also tried the AW in my old CRT monitor and it worked too. It's a matter of luck if the AW is compatible or not with a certain monitor. Pics of my 2 monitors:

@jro: You have to access the configuration screen by turning DIP switch 2 on. Notice that you can navigate it pressing start, and select option with the service button (if you don't have it wired then it's a total pain). Then select an option called "configuration", and then "game settings". There you can change options like difficulty, time, etc, and then the buttons. You can also introduce a password, if you put the one in my screen, you unlock all the secret characters (I think the area has to be in "other", use configuration / system settings to change it). Press start while selecting certain characters to get the extra ones (for example press start while selecting K' to get Geese, etc).

Shawn Carr2o · Mar 10, 2005

Their loading?. :rolleyes:

Alex0916 · Mar 20, 2005

@Mr. Megalo: I noticed you had young Geese is your pic. Is there a way to make him playable?

Amano Jacu · Mar 20, 2005

Alex0916 said:
@Mr. Megalo: I noticed you had young Geese is your pic. Is there a way to make him playable?

Amano Jacu said:
You can also introduce a password, if you put the one in my screen, you unlock all the secret characters (I think the area has to be in "other", use configuration / system settings to change it). Press start while selecting certain characters to get the extra ones (for example press start while selecting K' to get Geese, etc).

Amano Jacu · Mar 20, 2005

Thanks to Kafuin, we can see how the 4 player harness works for Isuka:

http://sammyusa.com/pdfs/guiltygear/guiltygear-tech.pdf

The strange part is that as far as I know it was not included with the game kits, so I wonder if they sell it separately? :conf:

EDIT: According to this

http://sammyusa.com/pdfs/guiltygear/gg-kitlist.pdf

the I/O should have been included with the kit, then why nobody has it?

More manuals here:

http://sammyusa.com/games/technical/

Alex0916 · Mar 20, 2005

Didn't see that Amano thanks man in with the new code out with the old one. :buttrock:

fatal fury fan #2 · Mar 20, 2005

I am thinking of get a AW cab does anyone know how much they should go for with a mobo and game????

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