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lets see what happened while clinton was in office
Act of terrorism against the untied states during his watch
uss cole
oklahoma city bombing
5 us embassies
first world trade center attack ?
us military actions :
serevejo
bosnia
mojdeshou
multiple bombing campiegns against afghanistan and Iraq
what else am i forgetting ?
THe point is all quida and terrorism isnt going to go away if we elect a new president or vote to become a socialist country .
In fact youll make it stronger .
*claps*Quote:
Originally Posted by Xavier76
I tip my hat to you, sir.
oh heres another one early in clinton administration (maybe 1993) Sadam thought he could go take over Kuwait again so assembled his troops along the kuwaiti border .
Clinton answered by swiftley sending thousands of american troops to Kuwait and Iraq stood down .
I think this was called operation "just cause"
I agree with that move. Kept Iraq from invading another country.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xavier76
I still don't see how you listing past Clinton actions is some how supposed to excuse Bush from his fuck up in Iraq. :spock:
Becaue everybody is saying Iraq is Bushes war , theres no reason whatsoever for us to be thereQuote:
Originally Posted by SamuraiShodownSensei
And what im actually saying is terrorism is America war not Clitons or Bushes .
And you need a military to take of stuff even a dove like Clinton needed to call out the troops a time or to .
And if Kerry is made president were still gonna be in Iraq and theres still gonna be a war against terrorism .
Bush sr. did not invade Iraq, he drove them out of Kuwait.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xavier76
Clinton did not invade Iraq.
Bush "dubya" decides on a whim that we should go flying into Iraq because he [Sadam] supposedly had WMD. :annoyed:
Americans are rather simple minded when they think that freedom comes to us for free. Blood has always paid the price for freedom.
Personally, we should nuke the entire middle east and be done with it. Sorry, but the people are too far gone, and the religion has stronger bonds than any government or secular ideal.
In short, we will never get these people to forget the violent conversion methods of their religion.... so they must be exterminated from the earth.
Sorry, but the hippies are all wrong. Violence begets peace.
Frankly, we need a complete revolution in this country.
NO GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS CARE ABOUT THE PEOPLE OF THIS COUNTRY. Their only concern is MONEY and POWER!
Taxes are out of control.
Illegal immigration is out of control.
Crime is out of control.
Big business scandals, cheating and stealing are out of control, from "respected" members of society.
The Homos are taking over the US media. They can take their dookie pushing agenda to some island in the pacific.
Schools are breeding grounds for Communism. COMMUNISTS ARE RUNNING THE UNIVERSITIES!
The thought police tell you what is OK and not OK to think and say.
The lawyers in our country have made theft legal and profitable. THEY TURN LIVES INTO MONEY!
Nobody in government cares about serving the public, only themselves.
We need a complete and total revolution in this country, and sorry folks, Kerry and Bush are both the wrong guy. We need a revolutionary leader to see our transition to the next USA.
You would like the US like it is in Escape from LA?Quote:
Originally Posted by leepantalone
In all these case American troops touch Iraqi soilQuote:
Originally Posted by SamuraiShodownSensei
Again these questions :
4. Do you consider anthrax , serin vx and mustard gas blister agent weapons of mass destructuction , and if not do you mind Sadam having them ?
5. Maybe Sadam might not have been able to directley bomb us with these but do you think he could somehow give it to somebody who could or knows anybody in the area ?
Again we went flying inot Iraq because of over a decade of flat out non compliance of his signed treaty with us .
Everything else was just fuel to the fire , many are weak and stetched out truths some have even been found to be not true
Nope, just a return to the priciples upon which we were founded.
Those have been lost along the way thanks to the lawyers and government officials who only care about being re-elected and making their fortunes.
We really need an American Workers Party. A party that focuses on the average joe of the US, not the elite, wealthy and popular.
Saddam was killing thousands of innocent people for fun... I am glad he is out of power. We should defend the defenseless. It is our responsibility because we are better than the rest of the world, and have morals that tell us that freedom is a human right and should not follow country and king, but every man.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xavier76
Uh huh, Terrorism against the US existed before GWB, and will exist after.
9/11 wasn't his fault, nor was it really Clintons. Everybody pretty much fucked up, this is general knowledge that won't get debate either way till you start talking to wako's on either side.
If Kerry is elected the war in Iraq will continue on its current path but we'll probably get a lot more UN help.
If Bush stays in office the same thing will happen with less UN help.
I see little if any difference between what Bush wants domestically and what Kerry wants domestically. I think it sucks either way personally.
I think GWB administration is like a cancer to the Republican party. I've seen so many people whose ideals I agreed with go along with Bush's most assinine policies. If we get GWB out of the Republican party picture then I feel that the party and the country can be turned back into the right direction in 2008. 4 years of Kerry won't be much worse than 4 more years of GWB.
Honestly,
I'm just going to say 9/11 didn't happen
until you nerds admit that we landed on the moon.
Fuck all that clinton did, I personally would forgive him if he raped my mom. At least the fucken nation wasn't starving and half the country didn't have to change jobs three times a week to afford gas.
I do have to say, the price of gas is really obscene.
thank god I don't have to fend for an SUV
om actually the stock market crashed in March of 2000 and umeployment is only somthing like .05 higher than it was with Clinton .Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Rain
But see your agreeing with me Dark Rain , Clinton was a swell guy and even he felt the need to go fuck up Iraq .
I have a friend who believes honestly, that we did not ever land on the moon.Quote:
Originally Posted by EvilWasabi
Everybody felt the need to fuck up Iraq. That's out of the question. But bush is sucking all the country's money for iraq. I mean come on man .. we been there for how long, and what progress did we make? All that happened is that we embarrased ourselves in front of the whole world. And now he wants a draft? Where did all the heroic shit come from? Last time I heard he was a pussy ass jew who never served in the army. No offence to jews.
Oh and while I'm walking around town five hours a day trying to find a job .. the fucker was giving like 3000 dollars to every Iraqi citizen. Now that is unfair.
Honestly .. he should think more about this country's well being rather than bombing Iraq .. Saddam is already out of the question so let the people build their own damn country.
And about unemployment percentages .. two can play this game. Even though unemployment is not much higher .. nobody can afford shit no more. When clinton was around .. it was all American fun all the time. Now my friends won't chill on the weekends because they don't have enough money for gas to drive to my house.
that has two semantic meanings:Quote:
9/11 didn't happen because bush was in office
a) it wasn't bush's fault.
b) because bush was in office, 9/11 never happened.
i read it as the latter. i thought this was another conspiracy thread. :(
FUCKIN A!Quote:
Originally Posted by leepantalone
:buttrock:
...Curtis Lemay would have been proud to have pushed the button indeed!
This post screams the fact that you desperately need a hug.Quote:
Originally Posted by leepantalone
Come on... come to Joey.
*hugs*
This thread reminds me all the more why I miss galfordo like I miss penile cancer.
Yea lee, everyone in the middle east is a terrorist.
Violent conversion methods? What the fuck are you talking about.
you've had penile cancer before?Quote:
Originally Posted by bokmeow
Since when did we actually go to Iraq to stop terrorism?
Since never. Or since Galfordo said so.....Quote:
Originally Posted by dmhawkmoon
Sadam Hussien is a terrorist , he terrorizes his own people , and he tries to rally other terrorists to his cause . He finacially sponsors other terrorists .
THat guy who cut off nichlouas bergs head he always hangs out in iraq even bfore we went there , he was in iraq when he cut off his head he's part of Al Queda .
Sadam used to pay $5,000 to "freedom fighters" and $8,000 for martrys he paid people all over the world but his favorite was to palestianiains , and people who messed with the us
...Tribbiani?Quote:
Originally Posted by Average Joe
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You make it sound like Iraq is like a coffee shop.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xavier76
"THat guy who cut off nichlouas bergs head he always hangs out in iraq even bfore we went there , he was in iraq when he cut off his head he's part of Al Queda ."
The guy who cut off Berg's head was not in Saddam's juristiction, bu in northern Kurdish territoy, nimrod. The Saddam regime was secular, and while they were pro terrorism they were also not pro-Al Qaeda, since Al Qaeda would gladly have seen Saddam fall since he wasn't theocratic in his rule.
Unless of course Bush gfailed to crack down on airport security despite reports stating that A; Qaeda was going to hijack airplanes (but we didbn't know they'd fly them into buildings!)Quote:
Originally Posted by Xavier76
But really, it would have happened anyway. We'd have gone to war in Afghanistan anyway.
up till this point in the picture, I supported Bush.
What didn't need to happen was the Iraqi War. This damaged US international reputation, and drummed up support for Al Qaeda. This war would not have been fought under another president
"Well...umm...lots of others in congress voted for it"
Blah blah...but of course, they did so at Bush's behest. Had he not been there, that pressure is gone. Still wouldn't have happened. This has been an incredible money hole, and pissed off the middle east so much they waited until gas prices skyrocketed before agreeing to increase oil output. At this point, their increase isn't making a dent in prices.
Most importantly, the UN and international community will never trust the Bush administration. Under both Bush Snr. and Clinton, both administrations had tried to maintain trust between us and the UN. Bush Jr. has totally ruined that.
this is so totally why I support Kerry. Kerry's not my favorite guy int he world, but he's honest and the international community will work with him. In 4 years though I want to be voting for an actual conservative. Compassionate and neoconservatism can be damned. If you trace the history of both ideas both of them are routed in liberal thinking. Conservatism shares little with compassionate conservatism (the bleeding heart conservatism of Christie Whitman, anyone who lived n NJ under her should note how much she sucked as a governor) and neoconservatism (a pro-military outgrowth of big government liberalism)Quote:
I think GWB administration is like a cancer to the Republican party. I've seen so many people whose ideals I agreed with go along with Bush's most assinine policies. If we get GWB out of the Republican party picture then I feel that the party and the country can be turned back into the right direction in 2008.
I would rather vote for a big government Democrat than a big government Republican, especially when the Democrats apparently can't swell the federal government as fast as GW Bush.
Holy shit christ is this thread boring.
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Originally Posted by Buro Destruct
anyone who takes it seriously can suck my robot penis.
simple people require simple solutions!
Whatīs the problem for being a socialista country?
Sweden is one and is the country with the best quality of life.
is Xavier76 a Galfordo secondary account.
No but I'm starting to think I'd gladly have them switch Xavier for Galfordo's temporary hell right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by ttooddddyy
I knew he would return- like a bad penny :oh_no:
"he tries to rally other terrorists to his cause . He finacially sponsors other terrorists ."
GWB would never consider this tactic whould he :rolleyes:
Well other than the weapons of Carl GustavQuote:
Originally Posted by Vlad
The Big Knockered Swedish "Bikini Girls"
The Viggen Fighter Jet
Conscripted Military Service
... I dunno, something about "Socialists" just pisses me off. It was not what was intended by the forefathers who set up the USA is all. It might work in a smaller nation, but with something the size of the USA it really should be about GRD/Grass Roots Democracy... which currently it isn't at all. GRD is when the people from the ground up realize their positions, put aside their own personal differences and re-take their rightfull positions as the bosses of those representing us. And the reason we can still talk shit is because we're an armed populace. But the FAR LEFT would have us all hand em' in so that BIG BROTHER and all the others duped into becoming media loving NIMBY minded TCs would do whatever for the convience of their overblown lifestyles, and the illusion of safety rather than stepping up to the plate and actually knowing what it means and then taking the measures to make sure one is indeed safe. I got nothing against Sweden by the way, I'm just statin'.
MERCENARY X99
fine, I don't have a problem with that, but I would rather this country become more socialistQuote:
Originally Posted by Xavier76
There wasn't a reason to invade it. C'mon now, we had Saddam on a leash, he wasn't going to do shit and it's been said over and over again (even by Mr. Powell) that there were no links to 9/11 from Iraq.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xavier76
So then we said, fine, we'll get their WMDs . . .
whatever
One of the reasons I can't stand Bush is because he sucessfully mislead the public by attempting to tie in the war with 9/11 and on top of that he has done a less than stellar job of trying to apend and prevent further situations.
Our Secretary of Defense should focus on . . . well . . defense and not war. Afghanistan, ok, I didn't have a big problem with that eventhough there is fear that the Pakistan may now be harboring many of the terrorists that we drove out of Afgahnistan, but we wouldn't dare attack Pakistan because they have nucleaur weapons.
War in Iraq . . . for what?
Oil? Economic gain?
How about taking what strained relationship we have with the Middle East and making it worse? Pissing off our the international community including the UN and countries like Italy and Spain (Madrid anyone?)?
We didn't need the war, and now the country is losing millions of dollars financing it and our economy is starting to crumble. Civilians are dying, soldiers are dying, and my pride is slowly turning into shame.
good day sir
nah, at least Xavier attempts to build a case instead of dodging each question with a "I'll talk about it next time" "I don't want to get into that" "THAT'S NOTHING BUT LIBERAL SIDED, MIXED FACTS TALKS!" " :rolleyes: " etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by ttooddddyy
I just pooped all over this thread.
Anyone care to wipe my ass?
T gh3y
Yes, my favorite Clinton moment is when he cheated on the women he promised "forever" to, but then cheated on her for some intern. So let's think here, if a President with betray an oath to a wide he's had for many years and swore an oath to her, how well will he keep an oath he swore to his own country?....hmmmmmmm man that's a toughie. :rolleyes:
ummm...Quote:
Originally Posted by Vlad
I appreciate what you said kid
and I'm a socialist too
but Sweden and all the others scandinavian countries cant be taken as an example:
they've enormous natural resources(oil included) and aint got 10 millions people either, immigration is not even considerable....in these conditions It's easy to talk about "best quality of life"
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Originally Posted by Dark Rain
High-frickin'-five! Thank you! Finally someone else see things the way they should be!
You need to take care of your business at home instead of taking care of someone else mess. Let's say that I have a family and my kids need shoes but the kids across the street need shoes as well. I don't go to that other family before I take care of mine's! Bush needs to worry about the homeland because what goes on over there isn't our problem. It's there's!
And how the hell did we go from looking for Bin Ladin to looking for Saddam and the WMD? This administrator is out of whack; it doesn't have it's priorities straight! I'm not surprised when Colin Powell said that he won't be the Commander in Cheif anymore if Bush is still in office and what he's doing shows!
I can't stand how single-minded Americans believe everything they read and watch on television and the newspaper and not do any research on what's going on. This is just like Animal Farm where the Americans are the sheep and whatever they hear, they think it's right! A lady said despite the fact that her daughter is dead because of Bush sending her to war, she said she will vote for him because "he is a Christian"! I'm a Christian too but you don't see me running for office! Why? Becasue I have no experience in politics!
If they do bring back the draft, you will see my black ass in Mexico! They say you can't drop out because you want to go to Canada or you're in college, the hell with that s*it! I'm not dying because of something I don't believe in!
All and all, we need to solve this problem now. We as people also have to find a way to make our lives somewhat better instead of depending on the government because they're not listning to us.
Just a question
What is it worse?
A president lies by denying he hasnīt have sexual intercourse with a woman, cheating his wife
A president lies by making up excuses for a war, dying about 15000 civilians, and 700 americans, apart of spreading the anti-american sentiment not just in the Arabian countries, but in Europe too.
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Originally Posted by Vlad
That's worse! Americans get worked up on affairs that's should be kept in the bedroom that they think real life is like a soap opera. Hearing about people breaking public affairs is no biggie to Americans because it isn't interesting. That shows that people watch too much television and believe EVERYTHING they read... :oh_no:
What about the people Saddam had thrown into wood chippers? What about the women who were raped for their family members "alleged" crimes? What about the nails driven through people's fingernails? What about the gas used against the Kurds?
Have you seent he photos of the suffering?
How selfish of us to let these things go on, when we have the power to stop them. With this mentality, the earth would be void of Jews, as the German and Europe problem was not our problem.
I think it is hilarious that the Europeans on this forum have the balls to even make comments about the US and our war tactics. Rest assured, if we did not stop Hitler in WW2, Sweden would have burned to the ground. Switzerland would have burned to the ground! How long do you think he would have kept his word?
Where the hell is the Iraqi oil we went to war for????? That argument is void.
So, why did we go to war? To free people. To dismantle the weapons Saddam had. They have been found, and poisoned some of our military personnel. Saddam himself was a weapon of mas destruction... how many people did he kill? He killed more people than the a-bombs used on Japan. Doesnt that qualify as a weapon of mas destruction?
I dont know what the hell the hippies here are thinking, but if we are not strong in the world, our freedoms will disappear.
The USA is the reason Europe is free now!
Where is the thanks in our service to the world?