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I cannot possibly express my anger at this moment without making this thread war room material. :very_ang:
well looks like i'm going to jail, no way in hell they are drafting me, they are gonna have to lock up A LOT of people, i'm sure i'm not the only one.....
Who cares?
I don't think it will fly, but just if it did.... The thought of it...
Didn't we already have this discussion?
Woohoo!! Can't wait to get shipped over to Iraq and get shot up so we can install a "democracy" there.
Canada in 2005?
yea that's why i would never go, they can lock me up, at least i'll get 2 meals a day and all the wights i can lift, they just want more cannon fodder for the middle east.Quote:
Originally Posted by K_Dash
Cool, i'm finally going to get an M16 and i don't even have to pay for it. I can't wait.
more like mexicoQuote:
Originally Posted by IoriYagami n8
I'll fucking enlist before I get drafted like a sap
I read that article too. I would never fight for this country no matter how much I exploit it. Mexico 2005!
gotta love republicans
I am not fighting for a guy who has the head of a monkey.
I mean damn, give the lies and bullshit a fucking break already.
This is the result of pushing your religious beliefs on and entire nation.
It's pretty stupid to start up the Draft unless you plan on sticking around for A LONG time or going and starting more wars. As sad as it is that our soldiers are having to die over there, the casulties in Iraq are nothing compared to other wars. We don't have a need for more soldiers, and thus have no need for the Draft. According to that article it would be opening it up to even more people than the previous Draft (such as women). What need is there for such bullshit? None.
I'm past the age where this applies to me, but I had decided pretty early on to be a conscientious observer. I don't mind going over there, I don't mind helping my country. I just don't want to kill anybody. Find me a way of helping that doesn't involve killing folks.
On a semi-related note: I'm thinking for my next car, maybe hybrid or electric.
Yup, that's it: that retard's gotta go.
Oh well, Viva Mexico 2005!
So how many schmucks out there still wanna vote this ass back into office, eh?
Too bad the most Bush supporters are so dumb they refuse to even read the newspaper, and thus will vote for him. It's very unlikely Kerry would instate a draft, or continue the warmongering.
This is one of the few times I'm going to actually agree with the future "Draft Dodgers" for the simple fact, that if our fighting men and women over there who are enlisted and Reservists aren't allowed to win... then fuck being "Drafted" and not allowed to win. ---Now if they are going to give us the proper training in how the enemy thinks, eat as they eat, sweat as they sweat, train to better utilize the microterrain, and are deployed with the enemy's weapons and allowed to totally decimate them off the face of the Earth... then I'd be jumping up and down to be drafted. If by some chance I got the call though, I'd still go... might as well put to good use the last 21 years of Warfare knowledge I have and take as many bastards with me as possible. I admit that overall though it is a bit retarded indeed. As long as we are going to just hold ground and abide by "Geneva" ROE, then a lot more people will be coming home in a body bag.
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MERCENARY X99
hows thats different than a objector ? youll just hang out and watch eveything ? youll even be awake , thats pretty cool .Quote:
Originally Posted by SouthtownKid
Well before they have a draft they need to lower the standards , right now to get in you have to have the mind of brainac and body of superman , well not really but its not easy , you cant have have any sort or illness (major) past or present physical or mental never taken medication stronger than cough syrup allergy medicines and pass a mental aptitude test with such and such a score and then maintain a physical fitness standard and be under the age of 35 , if they do a draft everbody except mentally and handicapped people are elligible and a age limit im sure .
So first lower the standards and see who wanted to get in but couldnt in the past .
theres over 2 million people in the military only i dunno guessing 400k< have been in Afg/iraq so theres enough people to make many more tours .
Why the big deal ?
The way i see it being in the military is a part of your life like getting married having kids getting a job retiring ect. Somthing you gotta do .
The United States of America is one of the few countries in the world that doesnt have have a mandatory military term , most every other country once you get out of highschool or college you do 8 months to two years in the military . Ive met many soldiers in the Us army that ran away from there country because theyd rather be in the US military than the Chili or African China or Jamacian Iranian ect one .
So when i see people crying about a pretend draft thatll never happen , it makes me think our country is to sheltered .
At Least you guys don't live in Texas. Even if i do vote against Bush it doesnt matter.......Damn Electorial College
er, I meant objector. But if they had an opening for an observer, I might take that. I'm pretty good at watching stuff. Maybe wear an orange vest so nobody shoots me by mistake. I could observe, and when the war was over, I could tell everyone what they did wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xavier76
The difference is that those are choices that one makes forQuote:
Originally Posted by Xavier76
themselves, they're not forced to do any of that. Fact is, we
don't have to do anything, especially not die for that moron.
Man that's stupid. I mean I have no problem serving for my country but to force people into it is plain stupid. In a war that's meaningless face it the middle east will always hate us so why bother with them. I gues it's off to Mexico for me I can't go to jail they'd use me as currency :(
/me waits for a grand rebuttle in the form of a Galfordo post
/me waits for MercX99 to find the thread and begin posting away
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Originally Posted by Xavier76
Ummm... why are all those things manditory... I don't think you are required to get married, maybe I missed the memo. +I fail see why "other people have to" makes it ok... other people have to and they shouldn't, maybe we should stop killing eachother like morons, how about that option dumbass.
They aren't that exciting to fire. Prone position hurts like a bitch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lagduf
If the United States is going to continue fighting these small wars over the financial interests of our leaders and larger corporations, there is no reason people should be forced to serve in such conflicts. I would have no problem serving my country in a military role if the reason were just, such as repelling invaders from an allied country. I'm not dying face down in the dirt so one of Dubya's buddies can have a billion dollar contract rebuilding the Iraqi infrastructure.
..This young man gave his life so that his president's allies could make a few bucks, for that we honor him. GOOD JOB SOLDIER.
No thanks. :oh_no:
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VOTE BUSH 2004 BIAAAATCH
Couldn't have said it better.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ghost-Dog
God, are you people paranoid or what?
THERE WILL BE NO DRAFT IN 2005.
What's happening is that the draft board terms are running out from like 20-25 years ago and they need to refill the positions. They've been doing it for years, but the democrats are finally making an issue out of it because.. DING DING DING!!! It's an election year.
Along with that, these bills got introduced and are DYING in committee. They're not going anywhere. (Despite any rhetoric you hear to the contrary.) No support for them.
Now, to editorialize for a second....
I want Bush out, too. Anyone who has read my posts here knows how I felt about a year ago, but we were duped. I believed the hype, I won't lie about that.
The problem with propaganda like this is that the people who are trying to get the president out of office don't know how to properly USE a story.
It's a cooked story and anyone with a modicum of knowledge of the military and selective service knows that.
Come up with something better. This is just another congressional bill that won't go anywhere.
This only makes the left look dumb.
While the idea of even a proposed draft pisses me off a bit I do agree very much with VT. It's all just propaganda both ways.
Ok im sorryQuote:
Originally Posted by Scuz39
whats the saying :you dont have to do anything but live die and pay taxes"
the have to part was an accident
But you all fucking skating around the my point ,
1. were one of the few country in the world that doesnt have a mandatory militiary time .
2. theres other ways to boost the military numbers before a draft
3. Your all acting like a bunch of sissies over somthing thats not going to happen .
Ok i know you know about the two world trade centers and the pentagon had a plane fly into them and another plane crashed into a field , this killed people on the plane as well as people in the building , this was done by aliens people from another country . An attack on our soil . An estimated 4,000 people died .Quote:
Originally Posted by Ghost-Dog
This isnt a episode of friends , theres not going to be a final resolution in half an hour .
Thats what you all dont relise , because your taken care of so well you live in a world of minute rice and complain about slow load times on your neo cd players
It still doesn't invalidate all the very good reasons people have expressed in opposing the draft. We have been lied to matey. Saddam Hussein had no hand in the 9/11 World Trade Center suicide plane mission, yet we attacked Iraq, while Afghanistan is quickly turning into the heroin distributor of the whole wide world. Bush has just squandered away our credibility, and then he serves up CIA Tenet as scapegoat to shed his political liability. His stance on the whole Iraq invasion had been 'OK, Saddam killed my dad, so I wanna invade Iraq, I wanna I wanna, give me the intelligence I need to smack that bitch up.'Quote:
Originally Posted by Xavier76
I second Ghost-Dog's response, couldn't have said it better myself.
We are sending troops in there fighting for oil contracts and money to line the pockets of the corporation lobbies, it's a smegging disgrace. Feck that.
ok heres a questionsQuote:
Originally Posted by bokmeow
1.what would you do
2. Is Sadam a sane man , is he from that part of the world
3. Did Iraq comply with its peace treaty ? What should we do to people that dont comply with treaty , you cant answer embargo or drop bombs on them that didnt work
4. Do you consider anthrax , serin vx and mustard gas blister agent weapons of mass destructuction , and if not do you mind Sadam having them ?
5. Maybe Sadam might not have been able to directley bomb us with these but do you think he could somehow give it to somebody who could ?
5. Would you like Sadam to have taken control of 75% of the worlds oil reserves ?
ill think of more in a minute
IF this is Bushes war then why did Clinton ? :
1.Bomb Iraq like 4 seperate time for non complianing with there signed international treaty .
2. Impose and change embargos against Iraq
3. Assemble thousands of American troops along the Kuwaiti border to chase back Iraqi soldiers that were planning another attack on Kuwait and possibly Sauidi Arabia
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Originally Posted by DashK
LOL
imagines drifty in those shorts with a gun..
1. How about, do you agree with thousands of US citizens dying so Bush's oil buddies can make some money?Quote:
Originally Posted by Xavier76
What is all the fuss about..... you can finally realize your dream of actually being Marco Rossi and playing Metal Slug for real. Just imagine it as level 4 of Metal Slug 3.
See, no big deal.
Just blast away and go go go!!!!
ohm thats not an answer in engish they told us this is called ANOTHER QUESTIONQuote:
Originally Posted by SamuraiShodownSensei
an uneducated and off the wall one at that .
which would you rather have the draft or halliburton contract out jobs ?
These american civilians going there by choice and are making $70,000-$150,00 a year because of the dangers they face oh yeah they work four month have two months paid vacation .
What does an american soldier make for his pay doing the same job $30,000 one month off a year .
Which is why I'm no longer interested in being enlisted or drafted into a military with shit for brains leaders who rarely listen to their lower echelon personnel who are in harms way... or we get a court martial for taking personal initiative. Through some links I was given awhile back for Mercenary work under a more politically correct term though, I came across a different corporation that interests are a bit more "Military" than just being a freckn' bodyguard to some other guy, and it still be within the "Patriotic" vein rather than working for some fuckhead warlord or some shit. It's actually worth a damn. I'm not at liberty to discuss what the specifics are, nor will I be allowed to state my opinion once I'm within the "Contract", because then I'd be screwing myself out of the chance to go over there and raise Hell contracted out to actually WIN, but if all goes well I'll be either over there or somewhere in Africa in 2007 no later than 2008. It's not like the bullshit is ever going to stop, and it seems Mercs under any number of banners {Protective Escorts, Military Advisors, Trouble Consultants ---HAH get that one!} will always be needed. The wife doesn't like the idea, but then most women don't like their men in harms way, but she knew that before we were married about me. Going to finally live up to my namesake in the foreseeable future, though I've always considered myself one since I'm generally "Self Employed" making people need my services for whatever it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xavier76
MERCENARY X99
The whole draft idea is fucken stupid honestly. Oh let's force regular american people to go fight people that we are supposed to save from saddam.. this way we could embarasse ourselves even more.
And who cares about the country's well being .. fuck our future .. let the dollar weaken a little more so that little poor african countries can buy america from us.
Honestly I don't think war decisions should be trusted to presidents. They should have votes for that shit. Let the people decide .. if the majority of the country decides to fight .. then I won't even wait for a draft, I'll go sign up for ranger school right now.
Are you kidding me? Friends had an on going story arc. NOTHING was resolved in half an hour. You had to wait a whole freaking season. Far from being a 'sit com'.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xavier76
You spelled 'realize' wrong. I can no longer take you seriously. :buttrock:Quote:
Thats what you all dont relise
Because we know DENVER is such a horrid place.Quote:
because your taken care of so well you live in a world of minute rice and complain about slow load times on your neo cd players
You people bore me with your political talk.
[sarcasm]No, I had no idea about the most horrific terrorist attack on American soil, thanks for reminding me.[/sarcasm]Quote:
Originally Posted by Xavier76
I don't have a problem with a war on terrorism, but what the current administration is doing in Iraq is making the problem worse. The paradox is that if the US Govt. pulls out now, it will make us look wishy-washy. I don't see it happening any time soon.
I saw a montage of photographs on television, which contained the photos of over 800 American military personnel killed in Iraq. I hate to look at those pictures thinking about what they REALLY died for, it makes me sick to my stomach. Not to mention the military forces of other countries that have died in Iraq, how do you think their families feel about this "war"?
If you support this conflict for the reasons Bu$h gives you, you're deluding yourself. Try thinking independently about this. This whole Iraqi conflict is bullshit lie.
hey fuckheads are you gonna answer my questions ?
bush oil money jobs Iraq
This is what i see in all the posts