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Why didn't you save the mods some time and post this in the warroom?
I like to keep them on their toes.Quote:
Originally posted by Ghost-Dog
Why didn't you save the mods some time and post this in the warroom?
Actually I would like to see us have a civil discussion on the matter but I do know that Bush's blind sheep will resort to childish name calling to avoid the fact their leader is a liar and guilty of misleading a whole country based off of hate for another person......oh yea and oil. :D
If John Edwards doesn't wind up the democratic candidate, I'll probably vote for Bush since I hate Kerry.
Well, I'm not one of the avid Bush 'haters', but I definitely don't want him reelected, no way. I just think he's to dumb a guy to represent my country any further.
He's definitely taken the 'military thang' about as far as I wanna see it go for the foreseeable future. And his tax shit is shaky at best. I'm not antiwar in Iraq either- but I DO want the prewar intel looked into THOUROUGHLY, cause if he lied intentionally he needs to be called on it.
And socially? I am 180 degrees away from him and his ilk on social issues- and his kind, especially Ashcroft - really piss me off on the social stuff. Ashcroft was a terrible choice for Attorney General. Just to lose his ass is reason enough to lose Bush in '04.
Dude .... c'mon man. You want a civil discussion but then you resort to the childish name calling yourself (blind sheep), and start calling Bush a liar and all this stuff.Quote:
Originally posted by Decepticon
I like to keep them on their toes.
Actually I would like to see us have a civil discussion on the matter but I do know that Bush's blind sheep will resort to childish name calling to avoid the fact their leader is a liar and guilty of misleading a whole country based off of hate for another person......oh yea and oil. :D
Anyway, I think Bush has a little bit of an edge at the moment. However, there's definitely a possibility of him ultimately losing to Kerry.
I'm in favor of Bush at this point, but Kerry getting elected wouldn't really make me lose any sleep. He seems like a pretty decent guy - unlike Dean, who has temper tantrums more regularly than most 2-year olds. Actually, I think Kerry, Edwards, Leiberman, and Kucinich would all make competent presidents, despite my slightly rightward-leaning tendencies.
OK, continue on with the "civil" discussion :D.
heh, bush supporters.....
the word "tool" comes to mind. :smirk:
p.s. and no I'm not a democrat.
It's sad this is in the balance really, I think many Republicans could honestly see the Democratic canditate as stronger than GWB yet there just doesn't seem to be a contender who is clearly better than Bush as an orator or politician.
Are there top rank Democratic candidates that decided Bush was invincible this time when they needed to be getting ready for this that are holding off for next time?
Personally I think the reason democratic candidate field doesn't seem strong now is because the pool is so crowded. I mean, nine people, when was the last time you ever saw so many candidates vying for the nomination? Kerry is not the liberal the Republicans that are attempting to paint him, because according to the re-election campaign, 'We know how to attack the Democratic candidates. Paint them liberals, and you lose half the electorate right there.' I have a strong ideological opposition against the notion that 'conservatives right, liberals left.' By reducing a presidential candidate to a stereotyped caricature, you reduce him to nothing more than some scribble scrawled across a bathroom stall. Now that Kerry is slowly gaining momentum and picking up endorsements, and Edwards is also surely but steadily pulling his support as well, we get to see a lot less of the vitriole that typified the earlier part of this presidential nomination race and able to critically examine these candidates' accomplishments. One needn't compare them to Bush, one can critically evaluate these candidates and make their decisions. Personally I think both Kerry and Edwards are great. Kerry has a lot of sure-headed committment to completing a job and doing it well. Edwards touts his accomplishments as champion for the downtrodden and his records shine.
Oh, and they DEFINITELY have Bush beaten as an orator anyways. At the very least they won't make the mistake Bush did as he touted his Spanish proficiency as 'Mexican' proficiency.
I voted for Kery. Not because I think he'll make a good president, but because he would more than likely make a better one than GWB.
And isn't it a little convenient that they set the date for the Iraq inquiry until AFTER the elections are over? I realize these things take time, but that reeks of bullshit, especially since the pres is the one who "ordered" the inquiry...
I'm sorry I voted GWB when I did.
At least Lieberman didn't make it in, I can feel safe about playing video games without HIM as president...
I don't care what democrat wins the election, just as long as GWB is outtathere.
The blind sheep line was a joke but Bush is a liar and most of his supporters just overlooked it.Quote:
Originally posted by galfordo
Dude .... c'mon man. You want a civil discussion but then you resort to the childish name calling yourself (blind sheep), and start calling Bush a liar and all this stuff.
The same people are the type that chastized Clinton for lying about Monica but the difference is that with Clinton it pertained to something personal and private in the first place and Bush went on international television and told the leader of another country to turn over weapons that he didn't have or we were goinv to overthrow his government.
Bush put more risk to this country and has cost over 500 lives of kids my age....kids that followed orders, right or wrong...they were led out there to be slaughtered just to settle a spat for Dad.
Uh, hello, but Kerry voted FOR the war in Iraq, but yet he didn't vote for the first war when GB 1 was president...
Voted for a war that he was given misinformation on from our president.Quote:
Originally posted by c.t.h
Uh, hello, but Kerry voted FOR the war in Iraq, but yet he didn't vote for the first war when GB 1 was president...
Hell 90% of America were for the war based off the the fact that GWB put the image in our heads of a giant nuke pointed at us and going to launch any day now.
All of the people on the senate security committee (forget what its called, but I believe Kerry was on it) got the SAME info as the president. If anything, this is the intelligence services fault, because they were the ones that passed out the bad info.
It's not like Bush just made all this up himself.
There were many reports previous to the war when the intelligence said the evidence was unreliable, but the administration cherry picked the intelligence anyways and sexed it up to look like clear and imminent danger. I think pointing the fingers is unbecoming of the current administration. I will say, however, that the current administration with its cronyism and Halliburton's invidious embezzling of our tax payers dollars is despicable, as well as the poorly managed attempts to build Iraq by ourselves without some aid. When U.S. needs help it needs to be man enough to say it and not just don the cowboy hat and spout such macho oneliners to the terrorists like 'Bring it On.' We destroyed a country alone insanely effectively, but we are rebuilding the country insanely poorly.Quote:
Originally posted by c.t.h
All of the people on the senate security committee (forget what its called, but I believe Kerry was on it) got the SAME info as the president. If anything, this is the intelligence services fault, because they were the ones that passed out the bad info.
It's not like Bush just made all this up himself.
How can you say we're rebuilding it poorly? I've heard it's going rather well, surely you didn't expect it to be an easy process....
We're dealing with alot of people that have never known anything different than a dictatorship, and change is scary....So yeah, it's going to take a while to finish this.
But notice - after we attacked Iraq, Libya canned their weapons plans, and NK is being more cooperative. I guess the Iraq war was us flexing our muscles...
Ok so we showed we are willing to destroy a country and other countries are working with us....we won out of fear, do you feel better now?Quote:
Originally posted by c.t.h
But notice - after we attacked Iraq, Libya canned their weapons plans, and NK is being more cooperative. I guess the Iraq war was us flexing our muscles...
Gaddafi had been in touch with every US president since GB the first trying to work out a deal like this, the idea that it came from nowhere is a fallacy promoted by those desperate to prove the war achieved something. It was Bush's desperation that made it happen, not the reverse.
The Libya resolution was a success of diplomacy, years of sanction and internal diplomatic negotiation, Libya would not have given up its program if US didn't offer any concessions and we finaly did, but the administration touted it as another success of using muscle to get its own way. Do you see muscle as a way to run the world? I suppose if Libya didn't surrender their program US would invade Libya next. Lessee, this week Libya, next week North Korea.Quote:
Originally posted by c.t.h
How can you say we're rebuilding it poorly? I've heard it's going rather well, surely you didn't expect it to be an easy process....
We're dealing with alot of people that have never known anything different than a dictatorship, and change is scary....So yeah, it's going to take a while to finish this.
But notice - after we attacked Iraq, Libya canned their weapons plans, and NK is being more cooperative. I guess the Iraq war was us flexing our muscles...
And I might note, North Korea is not being more cooperative at the moment. They went ahead toward the enrichment process.
Shoot, you beat me to posting it, and at the same time in fewer words and with more clarity. Doh.Quote:
Originally posted by BlackSpy
Gaddafi had been in touch with every US president since GB the first trying to work out a deal like this, the idea that it came from nowhere is a fallacy promoted by those desperate to prove the war achieved something. It was Bush's desperation that made it happen, not the reverse.
And that is the reason why we need Bush out!Quote:
Originally posted by bokmeow
And I might note, North Korea is not being more cooperative at the moment. They went ahead toward the enrichment process.
The NK deal needs to end diplomatically and not with war. The middle east is a walk in the park compared to invading an Asian country....Vietnam anyone?
"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs." -- From a letter signed by Joe Lieberman, Dianne Feinstein, Barbara A. Milulski, Tom Daschle, & John Kerry among others on October 9, 1998---what information made them sign this?
"The community of nations may see more and more of the very kind of threat Iraq poses now: a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction, ready to use them or provide them to terrorists. If we fail to respond today, Saddam and all those who would follow in his footsteps will be emboldened tomorrow." -- Bill Clinton in 1998-----where did clinton get this info from?
"I am absolutely convinced that there are weapons...I saw evidence back in 1998 when we would see the inspectors being barred from gaining entry into a warehouse for three hours with trucks rolling up and then moving those trucks out." -- Clinton's Secretary of Defense William Cohen in April of 2003----another LIAR???
"I will be voting to give the president of the United States the authority to use force - if necessary - to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security." -- John F. Kerry, Oct 2002
"The threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real, but as I said, it is not new. It has been with us since the end of that war, and particularly in the last 4 years we know after Operation Desert Fox failed to force him to reaccept them, that he has continued to build those weapons. He has had a free hand for 4 years to reconstitute these weapons, allowing the world, during the interval, to lose the focus we had on weapons of mass destruction and the issue of proliferation." -- John Kerry, October 9, 2002
"(W)e need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime. We all know the litany of his offenses. He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation. ...And now he is miscalculating America?s response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction. That is why the world, through the United Nations Security Council, has spoken with one voice, demanding that Iraq disclose its weapons programs and disarm. So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real, but it is not new. It has been with us since the end of the Persian Gulf War." -- John Kerry, Jan 23, 2003
"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retained some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capability. Intelligence reports also indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons, but has not yet achieved nuclear capability." -- Robert Byrd, October 2002
voted under false pretenses my ass. Kerry can not be trusted to fight the war on terrorism, he has a long history of voting against the military budget, and voting to discontinue advancement of military weapons systems. The man voted for the war in Iraq, but after it became unpopular, he comes out in public and tries to play the other side and say he never supported it. His record speaks for itself and it will all come out if he's the democratic candidate.
Bush proposed an illegal immigrant amnesty.
He further proposes several billion dollars to promote marriage.
He also wants to send people to Mars.
I am so not trusting Bush right now.
You're right, two out of those three things are stupid (I think the mars program is a good idea.). But if you're against spending money to promote marriage, why vote kerry? He will make even more social programs than bush. And he's for amnesty too.Quote:
Originally posted by bokmeow
Bush proposed an illegal immigrant amnesty.
He further proposes several billion dollars to promote marriage.
He also wants to send people to Mars.
I am so not trusting Bush right now.
I'm with ya all the way on the illegal immigrant thing. But note this, if you dislike that, Kerry and the dems want to take it further! The've already introduced their program that out-panders Bush's immigrant plan! They want full citizenship status right away for starters.Quote:
Originally posted by bokmeow
Bush proposed an illegal immigrant amnesty.
He further proposes several billion dollars to promote marriage.
He also wants to send people to Mars.
I am so not trusting Bush right now.
The promote marriage thing is a good idea, but not for the federal government. There should be another way, a less costly way to promote marriage.
I kinda like the Mars thing.
I am with you on the Mars program, Kennedy set a deadline for the space program and it worked out and hopefully the Mars program will work to.Quote:
Originally posted by c.t.h
You're right, two out of those three things are stupid (I think the mars program is a good idea.). But if you're against spending money to promote marriage, why vote kerry? He will make even more social programs than bush. And he's for amnesty too.
I am against the colony planned to be setup there but to say we have a colony on another planet is an impressive feat.
The amnesty is the only thing I wish Kerry would take back but lets leave that one to congress.
The 2 names on this poll.... reminds me of a cinematic classic....
Dumb and Dumber
Economists state that every dollar NASA spends on a project like going to MARS, puts $8 into our economy or something like that...it can be a good thing in ways more than just "hey we put a guy on Mars before the Chinese"
Anyone who favors W needs to seek psychological help. simple as that.
I vote ARNOLD!!! TOTALLY COOL NEW MOVIE...PRESI-NATOR!! :mr_t:
best post EVARQuote:
Originally posted by ORPHEUS
Anyone who favors bush needs to seek psychological help. simple as that.
I wholeheartedly agree, I prefer it shaved.Quote:
Originally posted by ORPHEUS
Anyone who favors bush needs to seek psychological help. simple as that.
regardless of what bush had done personally, hes the lesser of two evils. my vote goes to him.
As in Bush Jr. less evil than Bush Sr.? :DQuote:
Originally posted by Frame Gride 2
regardless of what bush had done personally, hes the lesser of two evils. my vote goes to him.
LOL .... typical brainless democratic response. Don't bother providing an argument ....Quote:
Originally posted by ORPHEUS
Anyone who favors bush needs to seek psychological help. simple as that.
Yes LMAOQuote:
Originally posted by bokmeow
As in Bush Jr. less evil than Bush Sr.? :D
I'm not trying to argue for or against anyone's policies. That has been proven totally pointless here - as nobody here has any intention of changing their mind. When it comes to politics, most of the members here suffer from small penis complexes - and their sole objective when posting here is to "PWN" somebody on a given topic. Maybe it makes them feel like a man or something, I don't know.Quote:
Originally posted by Decepticon
The blind sheep line was a joke but Bush is a liar and most of his supporters just overlooked it.
The same people are the type that chastized Clinton for lying about Monica but the difference is that with Clinton it pertained to something personal and private in the first place and Bush went on international television and told the leader of another country to turn over weapons that he didn't have or we were goinv to overthrow his government.
Bush put more risk to this country and has cost over 500 lives of kids my age....kids that followed orders, right or wrong...they were led out there to be slaughtered just to settle a spat for Dad.
I'm just saying that it's silly to name call and then tell someone else not to name call in the same sentence.
After GWBs illogical and unjustified invasion of Iraq, hes on the back foot. Hope he loses.
How can you say that when you are the member who commits the most egregious error of trying to "PWN" somebody without even giving a credible, rational discussion other than 'Another typical democratic socialist Bush-hating Environmental-Loving War-hating Gandhi-loving liberal' in half the political posts you reply to?Quote:
Originally posted by galfordo
I'm not trying to argue for or against anyone's policies. That has been proven totally pointless here - as nobody here has any intention of changing their mind. When it comes to politics, most of the members here suffer from small penis complexes - and their sole objective when posting here is to "PWN" somebody on a given topic. Maybe it makes them feel like a man or something, I don't know.
I'm just saying that it's silly to name call and then tell someone else not to name call in the same sentence.
Difference is my name calling was a rib and others do it as a flame to avoid addressing the issues....there are some that actually defend Bush without resorting to name calling but the majority on this board (You being one of the few with intelligent replies) just flame.Quote:
Originally posted by galfordo
I'm just saying that it's silly to name call and then tell someone else not to name call in the same sentence.
I only make comments like that after the discussion has already gone to crap (which usually takes about 3 posts here). And you seem to have dramatized my quote, by the way.Quote:
Originally posted by bokmeow
How can you say that when you are the member who commits the most egregious error of trying to "PWN" somebody without even giving a credible, rational discussion other than 'Another typical democratic socialist Bush-hating Environmental-Loving War-hating Gandhi-loving liberal' in half the political posts you reply to?
P.S. Wow, this place is a serious liberal stronghold :D.
Gotta go Kerry. I'm not sure I'd go for 8 years of Kerry, but franklyI know I couldn't stand for 4 more years of Bush. We know Bush sucks as much ass as a president could- N. Korea, Iraq, Social security, Patriot Act, etc- all fucked. Kerry might suck ass, but I'd take 80% chances of ass-sucking over 100%.
"Wow, this place is a serious liberal stronghold"
Wow, this place has always been one of the most conservative forums I post on.
You could say I sexed up your quote.Quote:
Originally posted by galfordo
I only make comments like that after the discussion has already gone to crap (which usually takes about 3 posts here). And you seem to have dramatized my quote, by the way.
P.S. Wow, this place is a serious liberal stronghold :D.
But speaking of sexing things up, whatever happened to Color me Badd? That was quite a sexy band, I missed them :(
ORPHEUS = TEH MANQuote:
Originally posted by ORPHEUS
Anyone who favors bush needs to seek psychological help. simple as that.
I was asking myself the same thing
13 people.....shit!!
I mean 13 voted for him
I can guess about 2 or 3 of you...
hope the other 10 voted GWB just as superstition
WTF!!
Frankly, those who support Bush are rich white men who are afraid of change, its really that simple...
...John kerry is a pussy, don't worry, he won't change much.
::crosses fingers for Edwards or Dean::
NO!!!!Quote:
Originally posted by BoriquaSNK
...John kerry is a pussy, don't worry, he won't change much.
::crosses fingers for Edwards or Dean::
I mean...I agree with you
I'd really like Dean as US president for the next 20 years
but honestily
If He's able to pass the primaries
then He'll SURELY loose against Bush
and yeah is a fucking pussy
but your only goal at the moment
is to wipe the fucking Bush family off
so you MUST hope for Kerry
iThat's the worst has never happened to the US history
I'd never wish anybody death
ain't my style
but I'd really like to watch at all the Bush' burning at hell
LOL - they certainly were early 90's uber-sexay hotness defined :D.Quote:
Originally posted by bokmeow
You could say I sexed up your quote.
But speaking of sexing things up, whatever happened to Color me Badd? That was quite a sexy band, I missed them :(
Tic-toc ya don't stop .....
C'mon kaos, play nice now :D ....Quote:
Originally posted by kaos
NO!!!!
I mean...I agree with you
I'd really like Dean as US president for the next 20 years
but honestily
If He's able to pass the primaries
then He'll SURELY loose against Bush
and yeah is a fucking pussy
but your only goal at the moment
is to wipe the fucking Bush family off
so you MUST hope for Kerry
iThat's the worst has never happened to the US history
I'd never wish anybody death
ain't my style
but I'd really like to watch at all the Bush' burning at hell
Dear god it is so NOT that simple.Quote:
Originally posted by BoriquaSNK
Frankly, those who support Bush are rich white men who are afraid of change, its really that simple...
There aren't enough 'rich white men' in the US voter pool to elect a president. There aren't even enough white male republicans to get Bush into office. I'm sorry, but I have to call stupid quotes as I see them. Perhaps Michael Moore's verbose prose has taken it's toll on you?
Bush's supporters are Republicans, first and foremost. And while many rich, white men are in the Republican party, the Republican party is not made up mostly of rich white men. Bush's main constituents are the Religious Republicans, trashy Southern types and business people (which, granted, has many a rich white man in it's ranks). You don't think women will vote for Bush? Cause last time I checked the religious, fundamentalist nutjob pool was pretty much a 50/50 split between the X and Y chromosome.
I think if you go down to Tennesee, Georgia, Kansas, Texas, South Carolina- you'll find many a hick without a dollar to his or her name that WILL be voting for Bush in '04'
Look- I'm for kicking Bush's stupid ass out of office, but the above quoted comment is retarded. Let's start seeing things for what they are, yes?