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STFU :oh_no:
Yeah, every tom dick and harry talks about roms here now. Hell, I even have the 2k3 rom, and thanks to it, I'm not spending a god damn dime on the MVS cart that just came out.
Sadly, roms are like masturbating. Everyone's doing it, but most are ashamed to admit it. I wish we would stop talking about them as much, as this is a site for those that really love/collect Neo Geo. Not to play them in perverted "rental" forms.
I use roms as rentals, and nothing more.
Spike
Thanks to the rom I want 2k3 more than ever :)Quote:
Originally posted by Spike Spiegel
Yeah, every tom dick and harry talks about roms here now. Hell, I even have the 2k3 rom, and thanks to it, I'm not spending a god damn dime on the MVS cart that just came out.
Sadly, roms are like masturbating. Everyone's doing it, but most are ashamed to admit it. I wish we would stop talking about them as much, as this is a site for those that really love/collect Neo Geo. Not to play them in perverted "rental" forms.
I use roms as rentals, and nothing more.
Spike
Its SELECTIVELY anti-roms.
From a personal standpoint, its much like Spike said, I use them as "rentals".
:multi_co: EVERYONE LOVES TEH ROMZ!!!:multi_co:
I can honestly say that I have never ever dled a rom in my life. I was wondering about this too, as there is rom talk everywhere these days. I really want to play KOF2k3 so I can talk about it in the KOF forum, but I can't. Seems that everyone else has the rom and is playing it, so they can talk with each other about the game. I feel so left out :( I don't even know how to use emulators, much less get roms and all the other stuff that goes with it...I just want to play KOF 2k3 :crying:
Q-
Roms are great, I spend more money on games than ever and love the roms:D
If you truly want it you only have to ask ;)Quote:
Originally posted by qube
I can honestly say that I have never ever dled a rom in my life. I was wondering about this too, as there is rom talk everywhere these days. I really want to play KOF2k3 so I can talk about it in the KOF forum, but I can't. Seems that everyone else has the rom and is playing it, so they can talk with each other about the game. I feel so left out :( I don't even know how to use emulators, much less get roms and all the other stuff that goes with it...I just want to play KOF 2k3 :crying:
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Anyone how doesn't know how to use emulators / roms really needs to learn how to use thier computer. Its not hard at all. Do some reading :rolleyes:
Kiss my ass arch-nemesis. I don't feel the need to, maybe one day. I also don't know how to use my comp, duh :loco: That is why I don't do much with it besides write papers and post here ;)Quote:
Originally posted by pyrokilla
Anyone how doesn't know how to use emulators / roms really needs to learn how to use thier computer. Its not hard at all. Do some reading :rolleyes:
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Well I'm just saying that is a weak ass excuse :shame:Quote:
Originally posted by qube
Kiss my ass arch-nemesis. I don't feel the need to, maybe one day. I also don't know how to use my comp, duh :loco: That is why I don't do much with it besides write papers and post here ;)
Q-
Excuse for what? Not playing roms? I don't need an excuse, I just haven't taken the time to figure it out :emb: I'm too shitty with computers for all that....Quote:
Originally posted by pyrokilla
Well I'm just saying that is a weak ass excuse :shame:
Q-
This was why. Don't whine :pQuote:
Originally posted by qube
I feel so left out :( I don't even know how to use emulators, much less get roms and all the other stuff that goes with it...I just want to play KOF 2k3 :crying:
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I'd like an opinion from Jorge about this
:cool:
at least downloading r0mz you aren't giving money to someone who profits off of illegal bootlegs.
It's certainly a bit curious of late, particularly on what should be IMO the most anti-Neo Geo ROM site on the internet (well at least considering the fact that there's a store attached). It's kind of hard to take the moral high ground when no one else here (aside from too_short) seems to give a damn whether or not ROMs are downloaded or bootlegs are being sold.
For the record, yes I have roms myself, including KoF 2003, which is basically the ONLY way for me to try a game before I buy as there is no arcade nearby that has it. For me, if it wasn't for roms I never would have bought a Neo Geo in the first place, and I've bought several new releases solely because I got a chance to play them first via roms.
Part of it lately is people like me who are completely frustrated with Playmore's inability to use common sense.
Take SvC: I played the game at Otakon last August and decided I was interested in the game, so I decided to preorder the homecart since no true MVS release was scheduled. So it was supposed to come out in October, then November. Around that time I learned that there was indeed a true MVS version coming out, so I decided to change my preorder to MVS. And again, Playmore started pushing the release back further and further with no confirmation whether or not the game was coming out. Then finally they decide to cancel the damn thing, without giving us any kind of reason or idea that they would cancel it. So fine, I switch my order back to the homecart. Well the homecart I got several days ago had the sound all screwed up, so now I have to send it back and get it replaced. So I end up paying $300+ AND still have to deal with this crap. I realize none of this was Shawn's fault, and I'm certainly not blaming him or Trieu for any of this, however the fact of the matter is while others have been playing it for months (most of which are now tired of the game) I've been waiting, and now I probably won't be able to find any competition to play against when/if this whole thing ever gets resolved.
I know that downloading roms is not right even for "testing" purposes, but between issues like SvC and the fact that no one else here cares maybe I shouldn't give a damn either.
im mostly pointing to the flood of modded xbox threads which go further than just gettin a few mame roms.
i never tried to hide it, i got roms, i have em for every new release. i know im not going to buy them anyway (except kof2k3, that is definately on my list. but i havent bought a neo game since the ms3 re-release, and i havent bought a game in general since viewtiful joe...i need a job) and if i saw em in an arcade, youre damn right i'd play.
i was really wondering where all the diehard anti rommers are in the countless xbox threads.:spock:
Playing/having roms doesn't mean you can't have originals.
I still buy Neo Geo games every now and then, I still have some Master System and Neo Geo roms. I barely touch them though.
Nothing beats the original.:cool:
Probably too busy playing their own modded Xboxes.Quote:
Originally posted by not sonic
i was really wondering where all the diehard anti rommers are in the countless xbox threads.:spock:
playing their roms, no joke.Quote:
Originally posted by not sonic
i was really wondering where all the diehard anti rommers are in the countless xbox threads.:spock:
I'm at work and teh r0mz r at home :(Quote:
Originally posted by NeoFight
playing their roms, no joke.
I think as long as your a long standing member, people don't give a shit if you use Roms or not. But if you are a newbie and dare say "I play neo-geo roms" then you are screwed and cast away to the island. That's just how it is, I guess.
This place WAS anti-ROMs, but that appears to be past-tense. These days, other than a cooler admin/mod team, the actual difference between ng.com and oro.com is smaller than it ever was...
I'm not pointing fingers, nor am I chastising anyone here. But it seems like ever since SNKP has pulled their recent crap with lame releases (pushed back, not happening at all) people have been more open about the usage of roms, not to mention bootlegs. Basically it's "well they pissed me off so I'm gonna go do this." That's just what I've noticed going down recently. When I started posting here last year there were nearly no r0Mz threads to be found. Now someone posts about them, gets a couple of flames, and a dozen posts backing them up.
what's a rom???
Nah just kiddin but I still have to download one... actually no, I don't want to because I hate playing arcade or console games on my computer... Xbox is another story but I do not have a xbox... ad in any case I am sure a moded xbox would cost me as much as getting teh original MVS kit anyway.
> Omegasaber : I totally agree w/ you, there has been a radical change on the forum since SVC MVS came out, I believe mostly because a lot of people on these boards bought the boot (I know you on the other hand got a real PCB from a great seller :D ) and continued to get the boots for MS5 / SS0 and KOF 2003.
Hell ! even people who were knowingly selling boots are still on the boards... and a notorious bootleger who used to get a post a day about him and come around to remind people of his existence does not even bother now... I guess because everybody contacts him directly now. But I digress as the discussion was about roms !
•The fuck-faces I hate, are the ones that think that becauseQuote:
Originally posted by the roker
I'd like an opinion from Jorge about this
:cool:
they can't afford the original games, they are entitled to own
roms.
•Downloading roms it's illegal regardless of what some blind
dumbfucks think on this site, regardless if you are just
'trying out' a game before you buy, yes it is.
•I don't need roms on my 5K Gibson, nor do I have the need for
them, I actually make loads of cash to satisfied my
Playing & Collecting needs. Same goes for music, movies, and
expensive programs like Photoshop.
•By downloading roms, you are not showing respect to
that 'beloved' company you call snk or snkp, and let's not
even talk about the programming teams who work countles
hours a day to make a game so that your stupid ass
steals it.
•My views on roms have been the same since I joined the
site back in early '02, and we're in early '04 now, and they're
still the same, and will remain.
Btw, I have noticed the recent threads about roms, but
it really is nothing new, since about 70% of the users
play roms only, the 30% left actually own some type of snk
system. It would be really sad to see this place die with a
bunch of rommies who have no further interest in the neo.
:glee:
*raises hand*Quote:
Originally posted by pyrokilla
Anyone how doesn't know how to use emulators / roms really needs to learn how to use thier computer. Its not hard at all. Do some reading :rolleyes:
i'm with qube. i'm also too too stupid or too lazy to be arsed to work with roms. mainly cuz i'm on a mac, and i've even tried doing it on a pc and i just cant get "it".
although i may be in the market to get a fully rom-whored/infested modded xbox possibly near the end of the year if people are interested in selling me one hint hint
not a problem for me, i m just an outlaw-impatient gamer. in japan i never played a rom.
Here, i play once in a while on arcades but since in france the credit is around 2.5usd, i just play roms (i do play once in a while in arcades though).
I do buy original when the game gets released in a home system i own but until then, i am a sucker and play for free.
shame on me~
bouh
bad barf, bad
say what you may of Jorge, but he has a good point.Quote:
Originally posted by xtoo_short20x
Btw, I have noticed the recent threads about roms, but
it really is nothing new, since about 70% of the users
play roms only, the 30% left actually own some type of snk
system. It would be really sad to see this place die with a
bunch of rommies who no further interest in the neo.
:glee:
I think I'm the only user here who tends to agree with too_short more than I agree with the people he flames for this shit.
I haven't touched roms in years, and even when I did it wasn't a lot. I mostly used them for old NES RPGs because I didn't like the idea of the battery dying. I don't really mind if some people use roms as long as they buy the games too, but I don't like it a whole lot either.
The reason I don't go into threads with Xbox users who mod them and say things is because that topic doesn't interest me, and I am sure that these people are just completely not going to see eye-to-eye with me. To mod your Xbox to play roms and then not be able to play on Live. The whole reason for me buying an Xbox is Live. And I'm not a big rom guy to begin with... So It'd just be asking for a flame war to go in there. I'm really more of a laid back guy in person and I don't want to be an asshole online either. If these people don't see what my hang-up is then maybe they never will.
This place used to be horribly anti-ROMs, especially right when SNK went under for the first time. If you mentioned anything about playing ROMs, said you downloaded them or, heaven forbid, asked where to get them, the thread immediately exploded to six pages, you were flamed into eternity and possibly whisked away to Unregistered Land.
Now, it's much more lax, and I think it's because that all of the long-standing members have a sort of understanding that when we download and play ROMs, we're:
1. Going to buy the game anyway
2. Have already bought the game and want to play it online
3. Have dumped so many cars worth of moolah into this company that they can spare us a "Testing Period" for a few titles.
I haven't seen it in a while, but I'd still expect that if you saw a newbie make his first post be, "Where Da Romzzzzz?!!!" he'd still be flamed and/or ignored. I'm pretty much ambivalent about the whole thing. When the whole "ROM" thing started, I downloaded like 300 old SNES and Neo Geo games and went absolutely nuts. "I'm never buying a game again!" But then, three weeks later, I realized all the PC controllers suck, you can't play multi-player unless your friend wants to cram next to you and use the keyboard and it's just more fun to own the original. So, I stopped and haven't touched them since, but can completely understand the devilish urge.
That's a good point IMO, and it's more or less the way things work on ng.com now.Quote:
Originally posted by Buro Destruct
Its SELECTIVELY anti-roms.
From a personal standpoint, its much like Spike said, I use them as "rentals".
ng.com used to be very anti-rom up to 2001/2002 when SNK died and SNKP took over. Before that, threads about roms (like the infamous "<insert new game here> roms are out!11!!1!" stuff) almost always lead to flame wars and ended up in the War Room. Discussions about the pros and cons of roms caused 10+ pages threads where ppl like JHendrix and me discussed the topic back and forth, and many newbies were confronted with welcome posts like "enjoy your stay, and don't mention tEh roMZ".
Things have changed - now Xbox modding/emu threads are all over the place, and you won't get flamed for starting roms threads anymore, or let's say way less than before... .there even are threads with more or less direct links to new rom downloads - just think about what would've happened if someone had posted something like this a year or two ago - we would've had a SHITSTORM in here that raged on for days.
Now, I still think that there's nothing better than the original - I'll buy my stuff regardless of Xbox emus and the convenience of having all sorts of games in one place, but I gladly admit that testing Neo games before buying them is a very good thing because it saves me a lot of money in the end if the game is not what I expected. Since I'm not a collector, I don't buy new Neo games by default so if there's a chance for me to check them out first before shelling out a lot of money, I do that. I'd prefer to go to the 'cade, but the last one round here that still had video games (in contrast to all that godamn gamling shit) closed a few years ago, so what am I supposed to do? Dump $350 on a piece of crap? Hardly. Anyway, that does not affect my stance against all that exaggerated piracy - I still think that a program worth using is a program worth buying, that goes for Neo games, movies, music and other stuff as well.
I just find it a bit sad that ppl now start to unload their ole' Genesis, SMS, NES/SNES and even Neo consoles and games in favour of a modded Xbox with a gazillion of roms on it, I would NEVER do that... I predict we will have a new wave of interest in "retro gaming" (and hardware) in a couple of years - mark my words.
I think you're right. Sooner or later people will realize that a modded xbox, although wondrous in its ability to store scores of games from various platforms, still misses the mark when compared to the original. I'll be hanging on to my SNES and Neo unless times get REALLY rough. To me, it's the difference between being "close" and dead on. To some people the difference isn't that big of a deal, but to me it means a lot.Quote:
Originally posted by Takumaji
I just find it a bit sad that ppl now start to unload their ole' Genesis, SMS, NES/SNES and even Neo consoles and games in favour of a modded Xbox with a gazillion of roms on it, I would NEVER do that... I predict we will have a new wave of interest in "retro gaming" (and hardware) in a couple of years - mark my words.
Long live the retro consoles!!
:buttrock: :buttrock: :buttrock: :buttrock:
P.S. WTF am I doing awake at this time of night :oh_no: :oh_no: ??
I'm not totally ANTI-ROMS because they can be useful. What I mean is that with a modded X-Box you can basically play any game from just about any previous system you want, without having to plug the system in. In my mind, if you own the games you are emulating on your X-Box, then it's OK, though I seriousl doubt most of the modded X-Box players own all of the games they are emulating. Plus, keep in mind that those NES/SNES/Genesis games people have on their systems are no longer manufactured or sold by their respective companies, so the people who make money selling said games are individuals, not companies. SNK is a different story, since their new releases are still for the old system and new games are still being made. I for one would love to have a modded X-Box and a Sega CD emu so I could play my ORIGINAL CDs from Japan without having to go through a ton of fucking bullshit. I don't own an X-Box however.
And with all that having been said, without ROMs I never would have bought my MVS/Super Gun. Like Phoenix Down, there are NO arcades around and the ones that are have NEVER carried MVS. I have no way to just go to the arcade and play. I downloaded Samurai Shodown and Last Blade, saw how great they are, bought them MVS and haven't played the EMU since. I haven't even downloaded teh ROMz since I bought my MVS, or if I have, it's only to play games I own in cart format.
If you are checking a game out to see if it's worth the $180-$360, then who cares as long as you either buy the fucking game or delete the ROM when you aren't going to buy? Unfortunately people have the poor college kid mentality of "I don't have any money, it's easier and cheaper to play with teh ROMs."
Ironically, despite what some people say, this place was always selectively anti-ROMs. I remember people using a few for internet play and sprite edits since I joined.
The difference is that it was regarded as not ok to be a ROM player.
Contrast that to pictures of people like JHendrix showing off their "Rom machines".
The change isn't us being relaxed about letting ROM users be allowed on, it's that now it's widespread, and being constantly advertised as if it's a cool thing.
It's easy to claim 'most ROM users aren't really pirates', but that's so obviously false it's not funny. Most of them aren't getting backups, they're getting free games to play on their "mame cabs" (why buy an MVS when you could play any game on a mame cab for cheap!).
Frankly, this bullshit is so annoying I'm more anti-ROM then I've ever been.
Super Mario Bros. 2-World 2Quote:
NES/SNES/Genesis
River City Ransom
E-Reader Donkey Kong, Excitebike, and other classic NES games
Intellivision Lives
Golden Axe/Ecco
Sonic Mega Collection
So many classic hits have been rereleased recently there's no way this statement is as valid as it once was. The only NES hits you'd still want for NES are Konami titles, Faxanadu, and the original Mega Man games.
Continue arguing with those who use roms?? what's the use?? I believe myself and others who don't use TEH ROMZ are more AWARE of the role ROMZ play in our community.
I think many of us believed that ROMZ would somehow cancel out the usage of the real thing but I believe it's just the opposite now.
ROMZ usage seems to have also increased forums participation in the gameplay areas too.
I can only see myself using an emulator for sprite rips and screenshots,nothing more as I hate the idea of playing games on a CPU.
I believe this WEBSITE has learned not to be so close minded in regards to certain issues and that is a +
-BB
My NES/SNES/Genesis point was meant for games you can no longer buy in any format BRAND NEW (used doesn't count, since the original company makes no money on it).
And if you own a cart, which I agree, most ROMs users likely don't, then I don't have a problem with people running an EMU with those games.
And being anti-ROM is OK, but it's like bootleg DVDs. Everyone thinks it's bad, but when it comes down to dollars, the cheaper solution almost always wins. You can argue with people on this site, and anywhere else, until you are blue in the face and on the verge of passing out, and they don't give a fuck. That's why I've stopped bashing people for buying bootlegs all the time. They don't care about my opinion. I will point out when someone BUYS a bootleg, so that they know what they got, but if they bought it and knew it was a bootleg, then so be it as well.
You'll never stop the ROM whores.
Exactly, never, and the funny thing is that they think they'reQuote:
Originally posted by slerch666
You'll never stop the ROM whores.
right, watch a bunch of idiots start posting their excuses
as to why they play roms....
I have no excuse except I would'nt pay another dime for old games.Quote:
Originally posted by xtoo_short20x
Exactly, never, and the funny thing is that they think they're
right, watch a bunch of idiots start posting their excuses
as to why they play roms....
:buttrock:Quote:
Originally posted by pyrokilla
I have no excuse except I would'nt pay another dime for old games.
And BTW, you can still use ROMZ and support SNKP, just buy the ports. ;)
Honestly, this topic really cracks me up.
That's what you do right?Quote:
Originally posted by JHendrix
:buttrock:
And BTW, you can still use ROMZ and support SNKP, just buy the ports. ;)
I'm with Spike on this one...the KOF2003 rom is the reason I am not spending my money on the game...it sucks.
If not for romz I wouldn't have my 4 slot today, after all that's what made me realize the Neo didn't die in '96.
I still play the roms from time to time for online play but even then noone can say I don't support SNKP.
Now there are some that obviously can afford to throw down a chunk of cash on a shit game and have no problems never touching it again but I am poor so again, I use roms as a means of determing if the game justifies the price...and in all honesty there are small handful that really do.
Checking the game out and deleting it is one thing, downloading the game to decide if you want to buy it, keep the ROM and keep playing is another thing altogether, which is likely what MOST people do.
If you play the ROM and play it on a regular basis, but say a game sucks, then why are you playing it? If it's not good enough to spend your hard earned cash on, then why are you playing it?
I rarely buy games these days, not because I play ROMs but because I actually spend my money on the games I KNOW I'm going to play. The games I won't pay for? I won't download the ROMs to play them, I just don't play them.
I used to be one to kinda bitch about people always talking about romz of new releases. Now I have the romz of all the new releases. I'm a hypocrit.
But you know what. I bought SS5 on MVS almost when it first came out, I woulda bought SvC (had it preordered) and I'm gonna buy KoF2k3 after a price drop. I probably wouldn't have even considered 2k3 without the rom, since I'm not a big fan of KoF. Slug 5, I dunno, I have enough slugs already.
I also have around 40 mvs games that I play far more than I do romz. And that number will continue to grow.
Real deal > teh romz by a long shot, but that don't mean I don't play em.
Roms are cool. I'd rather talk to a rom player than a cart collector.
you mean a gamer?;)Quote:
Originally posted by SonGohan
Roms are cool. I'd rather talk to a rom player than a cart collector.
Somebody who doesn't raise an eyebrow at the word 'crossup.'Quote:
Originally posted by not sonic
you mean a gamer?;)
:spock:Quote:
Originally posted by SonGohan
'crossup.'