*SERIOUS DISCUSSION* Our Driving laws and realities

OK, I just blew through a driver's ed/Traffic school course.

In fact, I went through a FEW different courses- up until the point when it was time to pay- at which point I decided I had found the one I liked best-

First off- I have two major reasons for making this thread

#1) THE VERY NOTION THAT WE ALL DRIVE AROUND IN DEADLY VEHICLES COMPLETELY UNDER OUR OWN INDIVIDUAL CONTOL IS INSANE IN THE LIGHT OF THE NATURE OF OUR PERSONAL SAFETY

#2) THE LOCAL GOVERNMENTS ARE LIVING THE 'LIE' OF ACTING LIKE THEY WANT US TO ALL 'OBEY' THE LAW- WHILE AT THE SAME TIME MAKING A MASSIVE PROFIT OFF THE FACT THAT WE 'WILL' BREAK SAID LAW

I'm too tired right now (9:30pm PST) to really go into all the many levels of disgust and disbelief I feel about the very nature of our personal transportation

Let me just say I am VERY interested to see if any of NG.coms members are smart enough to have come to some of the same conclusions as I have...

I agree for the most part but theres no way public transportation can take everyone everywhere, people need their own way of getting around, im partial to bikes, but lets face it, cars are needed.

I totally agree with the second part. They added cameras on major intersections to catch people running red lights hoping that more people will get caught thus making money, but they are losing SO MUCH money off of them because its so easy to get caught it seems like they are used more as a detourant( i spelled that wrong) no one is breaking the law.

I often think while driving around "I could kill those runners if i really wanted to" but luckliy im sane enough not to...does make me worry though.

I'm not sure why it's a law to have to wear seatbelts. It's my own safety that I'm ignoring, so what does it matter to anyone else. I guess I could fly out the windshield and crush someone, but I doubt it.

I also don't see why it is law for all new cars to have airbags. I don't want those either.

The idea of having one or two ton (sometimes way more) heaps of metal flying past each other at 55-70 miles an hour, with nothing but a few feet seperating them is kind of strange to me. But it works for the most part, I guess.

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Originally posted by buttasuperb
I'm not sure why it's a law to have to wear seatbelts. It's my own safety that I'm ignoring, so what does it matter to anyone else. I guess I could fly out the windshield and crush someone, but I doubt it.

I also don't see why it is law for all new cars to have airbags. I don't want those either.

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Many sociologists beleive that laws designed to protect people from themselves, such as said seatbelt laws or drug laws, don't work in reducing the act at all. In the case of seatbelts, it was just done as a scam to get more money to our law enforement while at the same time looking like a valid attempt to protect people so it gains public support.

Matt

haha, looks like I'm still awake, damned weak ass booze

Well, I read a statistic online during the course which, while had already having been vaguely aware of it, really stuck on me afterwards:

If you add up all the deaths of Americans in all the wars we have ever fought in, from the American Revolution all the way to the first Gulf War, the number of combat dead is way less than the number of traffic fatalities in the US since the dawn of the automobile. And no, I can't find the exact number- but it's, shall we say, sobering

The number of people who's bodies are crushed and mutilated each and every year in this country alone in auto crashes is, when you think about it, really fucking disturbing

People are afraid to board an airplane, where your actual chances of dying in a crash are really, really miniscule- but feel no fear at all in getting behind the wheel of an automobile and going out onto roads and freeways where they literally hold their own lives in their hands.

I mean- when you really, really think about it- the idea that so many of us move about our geography by getting behind the wheel of a 2-3 ton vehicle with NO safeguards against our own mistakes or the mistakes of others is truly phenominal.

It's so fucking funny that we have gotten ourselves into a situation where we have to semi-consiously 'forget' the very nature of driving in order to be able to go out on the road every day just to go to work.

And I live in Los Angeles- and there are so many cars here it boggles the mind. You HAVE to have a car in this part (and most parts) of California.

So, in short, if you live in Southern California you must enter into a sort of shaky bargain with fate in order to go about your daily life.

Fun fun fun till her daddy hauls her wrecked T-Bird away!

So you realized that the government makes money off us breaking traffic laws, and as such makes some really off the wall ones in order to nail us with.

And then when you go to contest your idiotic ticket you get a prosecutor who is nice enough to water down the charge to some wierd ass obscure little violation that gets you no points on your drivers license but incurs a much higher fine.

Of course you pay the higher fine one because it saves you more money in the long run.

As for the number of accidents on the road, well you just got the #1 reason I drive an SUV and that my next car purchase will be for the biggest full sized pickup that I can afford.

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Originally posted by JHendrix
As for the number of accidents on the road, well you just got the #1 reason I drive an SUV and that my next car purchase will be for the biggest full sized pickup that I can afford.

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YEA, CRUSH ALL OPPOSING CARS!!!

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Originally posted by neobuyer
#1) THE VERY NOTION THAT WE ALL DRIVE AROUND IN DEADLY VEHICLES COMPLETELY UNDER OUR OWN INDIVIDUAL CONTOL IS INSANE IN THE LIGHT OF THE NATURE OF OUR PERSONAL SAFETY

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Indeed it is, which is why I'm a very cautious, courteous and respectful driver who never goes above the posted speed limit; basically I do my best to provide the safest driving experience possible for both me and the other drivers on the road.

Unfortunately, not everyone shares this same mentality, which is why my father told me something about driving that I hold in the highest regard -- "Accidents are an unavoidable part of driving, if something is going to happen, it is going to happen and there isn't much you can do. But, what you can do to prevent them as much as possible is to act as if the other people on the road are complete morons who can't drive for shit. Because if you're constantly aware that the person in front of you is just going to stop for no reason, take a sharp turn without his blinker or that someone is going run a red light or not stop or yield at their respective signs, then you're already a step ahead of expecting the unexpected."

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#2) THE LOCAL GOVERNMENTS ARE LIVING THE 'LIE' OF ACTING LIKE THEY WANT US TO ALL 'OBEY' THE LAW- WHILE AT THE SAME TIME MAKING A MASSIVE PROFIT OFF THE FACT THAT WE 'WILL' BREAK SAID LAW

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Duh.

So? Don't break the law.

No speeding = no ticket.

Fairly easy to do, I've never gotten one.

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Originally posted by buttasuperb
YEA, CRUSH ALL OPPOSING CARS!!!

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Sounds like a bonus stage from a video game.

Reminds me why I always cry when I have to destroy the SUV in 3rd Strike. :(

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Originally posted by JHendrix
Sounds like a bonus stage from a video game.

Reminds me why I always cry when I have to destroy the SUV in 3rd Strike. :(

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Fuck it, I'm buying a dump truck. I like sitting 10 feet off the ground when I drive, and if I have an accident I can just roll over the other cars. Good times.

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Originally posted by Average Joe
Duh.

So? Don't break the law.

No speeding = no ticket.

Fairly easy to do, I've never gotten one.

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It's not that I'm bitter over receiving a ticket, and I'm not saying there shouldn't be laws or that people should be allowed to drive however fast they want

My problem is with the billshit sanctimonious additude on the part of all the parties complacent in giving you the ticket. At every level.

The Cops- These guys are just average joes. Really common type people. Huntin', fishin', beer drinkin' and gettin' away with DUI cause they're cops sort of people. YET, when one pulls you over he's not like "Sorry kid, you're busted" or "Hey- what are you gonna do?" (Which is what they should be saying if they had an ounce of humility under their uniforms) but no- they come out with this additude like you are SO in the moral wrong. You are WRONG and they are RIGHT. These glorified blue collar fucks come off with the most rediculous and undeserved, patronizing God-complex I've ever had the displeasure of dealing with.

The Court, the Judge, etc. Not that I'm surprised the Judges are pompous asses- and they're actually better than the cops are by a mile.

The DMV- soulless, shambling and about as personal as a rusty old tire iron up the ass.

And we come to the Traffic School- same deal as the cops, only much more seeped in absolute bullshit. And it's funny- cause passing the traffic school exam is real easy. But they have to give you this fucking bullshit sermon on how driving is such a privelidge and how the state is so right and good, and how the police are so good. They almost make good driving akin to some sort of relgious adherence. Yet, they too, would be out of business if it weren't for the very laws they're telling you not to break being broken.

My real complaint about the cops, courts and laws is just that they all operate on this overlying bullshit pseudo-moral premise- while at the same time making a huge profit, (indeed one that they cannot survive without) off of motorists breaking the very laws these institutions supposedly do not want them to brake.

It's just all a lie.

And the funny thing is that the joke is truly on the people that have no alternative to driving 1-3 hours a day in their automobiles, just to bring home a paycheck.

A broken, and frankly a stupid system we, in the year 2004, have to deal with.

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Originally posted by neobuyer
It's not that I'm bitter over receiving a ticket, and I'm not saying there shouldn't be laws or that people should be allowed to drive however fast they want

My problem is with the billshit sanctimonious additude on the part of all the parties complacent in giving you the ticket. At every level.

The Cops- These guys are just average joes. Really common type people. Huntin', fishin', beer drinkin' and gettin' away with DUI cause they're cops sort of people. YET, when one pulls you over he's not like "Sorry kid, you're busted" or "Hey- what are you gonna do?" (Which is what they should be saying if they had an ounce of humility under their uniforms) but no- they come out with this additude like you are SO in the moral wrong. You are WRONG and they are RIGHT. These glorified blue collar fucks come off with the most rediculous and undeserved, patronizing God-complex I've ever had the displeasure of dealing with.

The Court, the Judge, etc. Not that I'm surprised the Judges are pompous asses- and they're actually better than the cops are by a mile.

The DMV- soulless, shambling and about as personal as a rusty old tire iron up the ass.

And we come to the Traffic School- same deal as the cops, only much more seeped in absolute bullshit. And it's funny- cause passing the traffic school exam is real easy. But they have to give you this fucking bullshit sermon on how driving is such a privelidge and how the state is so right and good, and how the police are so good. They almost make good driving akin to some sort of relgious adherence. Yet, they too, would be out of business if it weren't for the very laws they're telling you not to break being broken.

My real complaint about the cops, courts and laws is just that they all operate on this overlying bullshit pseudo-moral premise- while at the same time making a huge profit, (indeed one that they cannot survive without) off of motorists breaking the very laws these institutions supposedly do not want them to brake.

It's just all a lie.

And the funny thing is that the joke is truly on the people that have no alternative to driving 1-3 hours a day in their automobiles, just to bring home a paycheck.

A broken, and frankly a stupid system we, in the year 2004, have to deal with.

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Ahh, but at the same time if those laws were never broken those people and institutions would never have to exist anyway.

In a perfect world, etc. etc. etc.

Yeah, the government makes money off this kind of thing so they can piss the money away on some program that'll bring them more votes come re-election time. You're somehow surprized by all this? ;)

Driving scares the crap out of me. If I am not driving I am always "helping out" (back seat driver so to say) the driver. I do not get into certain vehicles when certain people are driving. I lost a friend telling him to drive like a safe person. He retaliated saying that why should he be so defensive of a driver if everyone else is. A loud argument ensued where I told him that he was a future statistic/murderer. If he could not listen/respect my views on this than our friendship was not worth my time.

ANYWAYS, you want to throw a wrench into the gears: In New Orleans City limits it is LEGAL for all pasangers in a vehicle to drink. I have never in my life till I moved here heard of this shit. I see a driver of a vehicle drinking beer/alchohal at least once a week. I no longer drive when it is not 100% NECESSARY.

Also the seatbelt laws lowered insurance rates a bit, so I cannot complain to much.

If you want driving to be a safe experience you should put a two foot razor sharp spike in the middle of every steering wheel, make every accident fatal, people will do their very best to never ever have an accident.

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Originally posted by Shapermc
ANYWAYS, you want to throw a wrench into the gears: In New Orleans City limits it is LEGAL for all pasangers in a vehicle to drink. I have never in my life till I moved here heard of this shit. I see a driver of a vehicle drinking beer/alchohal at least once a week. I no longer drive when it is not 100% NECESSARY.

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I see where you're coming from on this, but who is to say that person with a bud in his hand driving down the road is intoxicated. Open intox laws make no sense to me at all, because you can drink 3 beers at the bar and still be within the legal limit, but one in your hand on the road is a huge crime.

I've been known to stop buy the party store on the way home from work to pick up a six pack and crack one open in the car. Breaking an arbitrary law? yes. Unsafe? Doubtful.

Matt

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Originally posted by BlackSpy
If you want driving to be a safe experience you should put a two foot razor sharp spike in the middle of every steering wheel, make every accident fatal, people will do their very best to never ever have an accident.

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That's an interesting alternative to the air bag. :D

Matt

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Originally posted by BlackSpy
If you want driving to be a safe experience you should put a two foot razor sharp spike in the middle of every steering wheel, make every accident fatal, people will do their very best to never ever have an accident.

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I like it... but us Americans would make it a rubber spike, and it would probably squeak, or dispense candy when hit.

-Nick

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Originally posted by JHendrix
Sounds like a bonus stage from a video game.

Reminds me why I always cry when I have to destroy the SUV in 3rd Strike. :(

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Don't cry. It's a Japanese SUV. Just Laugh knowing that you really can fuck up a Lexus SUV with your bare fists.

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Originally posted by buttasuperb
I'm not sure why it's a law to have to wear seatbelts. It's my own safety that I'm ignoring, so what does it matter to anyone else. I guess I could fly out the windshield and crush someone, but I doubt it.

I also don't see why it is law for all new cars to have airbags. I don't want those either.

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No seatbelts + no airbags = higher mortality/injury rate for accidents.

Which means when some jackass rides around without a seatbelt or airbags and winds up in the hospital, the insurance companies have to shell out assloads of money when he drives into a tree.

Which means much higher liability and insurance rates for everybody else...that's the main issue. Why should everyone else have to pay double for extra insurance because you don't want to take 5 seconds to put your belt on?

So when do we get to take a dump on the US helathcare system and what a scam doctors and medical insurance companies are?

who's up for moving to Europe? :buttrock:

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Originally posted by Freakit
who's up for moving to Europe? :buttrock:

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look out, autobahn...

It's WAY to easy to get a license here, and 16 IS TOO YOUNG.

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Originally posted by c.t.h
It's WAY to easy to get a license here, and 16 IS TOO YOUNG.

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yeah seriously, you shoud have to be at least 21 to drive.. and the written test should be 100 questions along with a psych exam & a simulation 'hell day' driving exam, along with the normal driving test... oh and the drinking age limit should be 25.

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Originally posted by chemical
No seatbelts + no airbags = higher mortality/injury rate for accidents.

Which means when some jackass rides around without a seatbelt or airbags and winds up in the hospital, the insurance companies have to shell out assloads of money when he drives into a tree.

Which means much higher liability and insurance rates for everybody else...that's the main issue. Why should everyone else have to pay double for extra insurance because you don't want to take 5 seconds to put your belt on?

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Because I don't wanna wear my seatbelt, that's why. I don't think anyone is paying more for insurance because I don't wear my seatbelt. It's not because it takes 5 seconds, it's because I'd rather die than be seriously injured and a gimp for the rest of my life. I'd figure it would be cheaper for everyone if I died, than if I lived in a hospital the rest of my life. Now I know wearing a seatbelt, that's very unlikely to happen, but I still very rarely wear my seatbelt. It's because I'm an idiot and proud to be one.

And airbags are crap. My friend rear ended someone going 15mph. 2 seconds after the crash the airbags popped out and because of that the car had to be totalled. Great product.

One of my friends got burned because fo the airbags releasing on a rather insignificant fender bender.

For such an unreliable "safety measure", air bags sure do get a lot more respect in the insurance scene than they should.

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Originally posted by EvilWasabi
One of my friends got burned because fo the airbags releasing on a rather insignificant fender bender.

For such an unreliable "safety measure", air bags sure do get a lot more respect in the insurance scene than they should.

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Yea, my friend said his arms got slightly burned from the airbag, and the car got filled up with dust from it.

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Originally posted by EvilWasabi
So when do we get to take a dump on the US helathcare system and what a scam doctors and medical insurance companies are?

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I can't really bring myself to blame doctors for wanting a healthy salary, seeing the sacrifices that they make.

Big insurance companies and HMO's, however, have made a wreck of our healthcare system. From my perspective, it just seems that a huge portion of a patient's medical dollars are going to pay fat cat CEO's and support other administrative bullshit. Medicine would be much more efficient without insurance companies and without the involvement of the corporate world. I must say, however, that I'm quite sure that the government would do an even poorer job of managing healthcare.

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Originally posted by EvilWasabi
Don't cry. It's a Japanese SUV. Just Laugh knowing that you really can fuck up a Lexus SUV with your bare fists.

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:lol: :lol: :lol:

LOL

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Originally posted by galfordo
I can't really bring myself to blame doctors for wanting a healthy salary, seeing the sacrifices that they make.

Big insurance companies and HMO's, however, have made a wreck of our healthcare system. From my perspective, it just seems that a huge portion of a patient's medical dollars are going to pay fat cat CEO's and support other administrative bullshit. Medicine would be much more efficient without insurance companies and without the involvement of the corporate world. I must say, however, that I'm quite sure that the government would do an even poorer job of managing healthcare.

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honestly though, I saw one ledger from a doctor I saw that he sent tot he insurance company for them to pay, an dit was complete bs. I mean, doctors make shit up about what they do for you so that they can get more money.

Not all doctors are bad, but there are enough dishonest doctors to warrant me to advise everyone to be very careful about who you allow to offer medical help for you.

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Originally posted by EvilWasabi
honestly though, I saw one ledger from a doctor I saw that he sent tot he insurance company for them to pay, an dit was complete bs. I mean, doctors make shit up about what they do for you so that they can get more money.

Not all doctors are bad, but there are enough dishonest doctors to warrant me to advise everyone to be very careful about who you allow to offer medical help for you.

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That's true. Doctors definitely aren't above puttin' it to the insurance companies if it will help line their own pockets.

There's a misconception among some people that doctors are on some higher moral plane, but that's definitely not what I meant to imply. They're susceptible to the same greedy tendencies that all other professionals are - some perhaps moreso, due in large part to their overinflated egos.

Relative to the damage that insurance companies and big business have done to healthcare, I still think they come out ok. But in an absolute sense, they can be slimeballs just like everybody else. An MD degree doesn't necessarily make for someone you can blindly trust, that's for certain.

now I'm gettin real OT, but since we're speaking of the healthcare system-

Now I'm not leftist or scialist- but there is a certain insanity to the way our US healthcare system in organised.

Case in point: The fact that people without health insurance get no preventative care, which is much, much cheaper than waiting for a serious health problem to occur and then admitting the uninsured individual to a county medical facility.

It's a simple equation- but hardly anyone thinks about it.

It's like the left's position is that people aren't responsible for their own actions and that the government should watch out for them. The right's position is everyone is totally responsible to look out for themselves, and if they don't get health insurance it's their own, stupid fault.

Seems to me that both positions are flawed- the left's notion that people have almost no personal or individual responsability, and the right's notion than it's tough shit if someone is uninsured.

But I feel that the idea that someone can be uninsured in 2004 in the US is really sort of disturbing. Since I don't have any insurance at the moment, if I fall down a flight of stairs I am SO fucked.

It's sort of like the way we look at transportation in our society- alot of people think the situation 'goes without saying'- but I think if we all, as a country, took a step back and looked at the basic ideas behind driving and healthcare, we'd be really eager for less insane approaches to these very essential issues.

I'll tell you what pisses me off about driving in this country, slow cars in the fastlane.

Everyone here knows that the leftmost lane of the highway is considered the fastlane right? It doesn't fucking matter if you are traveling 100 mph, if someone else behind you is faster, pull your slow moving bitch ass the fuck over and let them pass. It's just that simple.

I can't even count how times I've almost been killed passing cunt rags doing 65 in the fastlane. These failed abortions think they have some kind of fucking moral obligation to make sure that everyone is obeying the posted speed limit. I'm so sick of this shit.

The best thing to do is pass them on the shoulder and spray rocks at their car. I've cracked many a windshield using this tactic. Hopefully, they learned their lesson.

To all you pussies who drive the speed limit in the fastlane, don't. When you are driving, don't even look at the leftmost lane. It isn't for you. It will never be for you. Stay your bitch ass in the middle or rightmost lane along with all the other pussy motorists. Don't feel bad; there is still plenty of room for you on the road. It just isn't the left lane.

To all the people who think they're qualified to be in the left lane, make sure you change lanes when someone behind you is faster. This type of person is usually doing around 70-75, faster than the fucks in the middle and right lanes but not the fastest car on the road. These people can potentially be just as bad as people who drive the speed limit. They want to be in front but not really break the law too much. These fucks won't pull over into the other lanes because they think they are speeding so they shouldn't have to pull over into the slower lanes. This type of person must be the natural leader type because they feel they have the right to dictate the pace for the rest of the speeders.

These people are in the wrong also. It only takes a few seconds to pull into the middle lane and let the faster car pass. Then they get right back into the fastlane, no harm done.

The other night I was barreling down I-75 doing 125 when I saw a car in my rearview mirror rapidly approaching me. I put on my signal and quickly changed lanes to let them pass. It's just common fucking courtesy.

I don't understand why someone would want to hold up someone else's progress. That person is obviously in a hurry, let them pass. It really doesn't affect you. Let them pass and they'll be on their way.

What's even worse are the people who speed up when you go to pass them. These people need to be butchered. Their families need to be raped. Their entire line should be erased off the face of the planet. People like this are just plain dickheads who like to powertrip.

A few months ago my buddy and I were on our way back from a hardware store. We decided to take M-59 back home, it was late and traffic was light. We're driving when we see this car doing about 60 in the left lane. I go to pass him in the right lane. I was only doing about 70 or so. I maintained my speed and went to slowly pass them in right lane. As soon as the car saw me in the right lane, they sped up until they were even with next car ahead in the right lane. They aligned themselves perfectly with the other car to form a blockade. Now both cars were in front of me; they were each doing 60. I got behind the car in the left lane and flashed my brights to try to get them to speed up and change lanes. This person must have been driving a manual transmission because the car suddenly slowed down without the brake lights going on (you can slow a car down by downshifting and brake lights will not light up).

At this point, I was like fuck it. I slammed on the gas went to pass them on the shoulder. My buddy rolled down his window, reached into shopping bag, pulled out the new hammer we'd just bought and got himself into position. When I was right alongside the car, my buddy threw the hammer at the driver's side window. The window broke and hammer along with the glass hit this dude right in the face. This guy lost control of his car, swerved to the right and nailed the car in the right lane. We got off the shoulder and back into the left lane and sped off.

I couldn't believe my buddy had thrown a hammer at the car. I was just going to pass them, hopefully spray some rocks from the shoulder at their car and be content at that. We stared at each other for a moment and burst out laughing. My buddy and I were in the Marines together; I'd always know he was fucking nuts but not to that extent. He didn't even get pissed or anything. The motherfucker just threw the hammer like it was the normal thing to do. The only thing he was pissed about was the fact that we now had to find another hardware store that was still open since we needed another hammer. We still laugh about that shit every time we see each other.

post of the century.

all you say is true of stupid fuckin drivers.

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My buddy and I were in the Marines together;

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That says it all right there.

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Dude, you and your fellow cavemen should realize that it's not your inalienable right to drive as fast as you want whenever you want. People should switch into the left lane when they're not driving at least 10 mph faster than the posted speed, but it's not always easy or convenient to switch over. Just because you drive faster doesn't mean that where you're going is more important (in fact it's usually the opposite).

Try and grow up a little - if you keep that shit up you're gonna get your ass kicked, put in jail, or worse. This isn't the fucking wild west.

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Originally posted by buttasuperb
Because I don't wanna wear my seatbelt, that's why. I don't think anyone is paying more for insurance because I don't wear my seatbelt. It's not because it takes 5 seconds, it's because I'd rather die than be seriously injured and a gimp for the rest of my life. I'd figure it would be cheaper for everyone if I died, than if I lived in a hospital the rest of my life.

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Lawsuits. Now accidents that could have been reduced to minor injuries with seat belts will involve senseless loss of life and retarted multi-million dollar settlements when your family decides it's the other drivers fault you were too stupid to wear a seat belt.

If there was some kind of clause that would absolve other drivers of responsibility when non-seatbelt wearers get killed or injured, I'd totally agree with you.

Because personally, I'd love to see darwinism take care of all the fast & furious drivers once and for all.

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Originally posted by chemical
Because personally, I'd love to see darwinism take care of all the fast & furious drivers once and for all.

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Amen brother.

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Originally posted by galfordo
That says it all right there.

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Dude, you and your fellow cavemen should realize that it's not your inalienable right to drive as fast as you want whenever you want. People should switch into the left lane when they're not driving at least 10 mph faster than the posted speed, but it's not always easy or convenient to switch over. Just because you drive faster doesn't mean that where you're going is more important (in fact it's usually the opposite).

Try and grow up a little - if you keep that shit up you're gonna get your ass kicked, put in jail, or worse. This isn't the fucking wild west.

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I'll ignore the insults; I'm not here to start a flame war.

Tell me you don't get frusterated when people drive slowly. I'm not talking about when traffic is gridlocked during rush hour. There's nothing anyone can do about that. I'm talking about when traffic is flowing smoothly and people are impeding your progress for no good reason. I'm almost positive there have been times when you were in a hurry or just felt like driving fast when some dickhole was in your way that shouldn't have been. That's all I'm saying.

Slow drivers in the fast lane create a huge safety hazard because people will drive much more recklessly trying to pass them. If they would just stay in the slower lanes like they should, this wouldn't happen. I can't fathom why you would want someone riding your ass, honking their horn, flashing their brights, or driving like a maniac when you could just change lanes and avoid all this. I don't get it.

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Originally posted by BJMFH
I'll ignore the insults; I'm not here to start a flame war.

Tell me you don't get frusterated when people drive slowly. I'm not talking about when traffic is gridlocked during rush hour. There's nothing anyone can do about that. I'm talking about when traffic is flowing smoothly and people are impeding your progress for no good reason. I'm almost positive there have been times when you were in a hurry or just felt like driving fast when some dickhole was in your way that shouldn't have been. That's all I'm saying.

Slow drivers in the fast lane create a huge safety hazard because people will drive much more recklessly trying to pass them. If they would just stay in the slower lanes like they should, this wouldn't happen. I can't fathom why you would want someone riding your ass, honking their horn, flashing their brights, or driving like a maniac when you could just change lanes and avoid all this. I don't get it.

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I'll admit that I've seen both sides - but you gotta just take it easy. You can't just assault people because they don't drive as fast as you want them to. That's fuckin' nuts dude. You gotta relax - riding peoples' ass, honking the horn, and all that other shit just creates havoc and increases the likelihood of an accident. Nobody has the "right" to get where they want to go as fast as they want to go - driving is a priviledge.

I've seen both sides of the story - there are people who need to switch lanes, and then there are these other whackos that go flying into a jammed up interstate expecting everybody to jump out of the left lane and clear a path like the fucking Red Sea or something. The bottom line is that slow people in the left lane aren't the only problem - people hauling ass and being frantic also causes MANY accidents (I would argue that it causes more). If you can't handle tapping the breaks and waiting a little longer - well you shouldn't be driving. In any kind of city traffic, the roads are no place for people who can't stand to wait.

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Originally posted by galfordo
In any kind of city traffic, the roads are no place for people who can't stand to wait.

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Hah, you ever been to Boston?

Boston drivers = craziest drivers in the world.

Dude, you are a fucking knob. I hope you get wrapped around a pole.

I doubt your story is real. What you are laughing at is essentially potential murder. Your fucking useless militairy monkey ass is good for nothing. The problem isnt't slow drivers, it's the assholes that go way to fast.

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Originally posted by BJMFH
I'll ignore the insults; I'm not here to start a flame war.

Tell me you don't get frusterated when people drive slowly. I'm not talking about when traffic is gridlocked during rush hour. There's nothing anyone can do about that. I'm talking about when traffic is flowing smoothly and people are impeding your progress for no good reason. I'm almost positive there have been times when you were in a hurry or just felt like driving fast when some dickhole was in your way that shouldn't have been. That's all I'm saying.

Slow drivers in the fast lane create a huge safety hazard because people will drive much more recklessly trying to pass them. If they would just stay in the slower lanes like they should, this wouldn't happen. I can't fathom why you would want someone riding your ass, honking their horn, flashing their brights, or driving like a maniac when you could just change lanes and avoid all this. I don't get it.

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I agree. I honestly hate people that drive slow and feel okay about driving slow in the far left lane.

I also hate people that talk on the cell while driving for extended periods of time.

I mean, they are dangerous. I was behind this one guy that couldn't even drive straight this morning because he was on the phone, in the far left lane, going 60.:very_ang:

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Originally posted by Average Joe
Hah, you ever been to Boston?

Boston drivers = craziest drivers in the world.

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Yeah, I have been to Boston. And you're totally right - they're the nutiest drivers I've ever seen in my life (actually, some city in Mexico was a little scarier - Victoria City I believe). However, you failed to make the case that the drivers were both crazy AND safe. I would argue that their craziness comes at a cost of decreased safety - in which case it's still a dumb idea.

BTW, I agree w/ you Rade.

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Originally posted by EvilWasabi
I agree. I honestly hate people that drive slow and feel okay about driving slow in the far left lane.

I also hate people that talk on the cell while driving for extended periods of time.

I mean, they are dangerous. I was behind this one guy that couldn't even drive straight this morning because he was on the phone, in the far left lane, going 60.:very_ang:

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OMFG, don't even get me started on these bastards that start talking on the cell phone and forget the entire world around them. Just a few days ago, some guy was on a bus talking about how he didn't have time to take a crap until 3 o'clock in the afternoon that day because he was too busy or something. The sad thing is that you could tell that it wasn't that he didn't give a shit, the poor bastard's brain just didn't have the parallel processing muscle to make the connection that describing your bowel movement itinerary in public was probably in poor taste.

These cell phone zone-out fucks might be every bit as bad as the frantic to pass everyone egomaniac drivers.

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Originally posted by galfordo
Just a few days ago, some guy was on a bus talking about how he didn't have time to take a crap until 3 o'clock in the afternoon that day because he was too busy or something. The sad thing is that you could tell that it wasn't that he didn't give a shit, the poor bastard's brain just didn't have the parallel processing muscle to make the connection that describing your bowel movement itinerary in public was probably in poor taste.

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OMG you just gave me an idea

Wouldn't it be hilarious to get a camera and make some of those "Jamie Kennedy Experiment' (or Candid Camera) type videos

Get on a bus/subway and have the guy with the hidden camera sit just down and across from you- then take out a cell phone and start having a LOUD conversation about the enourmously huge nasty stinking dump you took only half an hour ago

Saying shit like "Oh fuck man- it was unreal- I swear that log was like, 3 different colors and at least 2 feet long"

And go on and on and ON about how it looked/smelled and such

I sort of want to getg on one of the Metro-Rail cars here in LA and try it.

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Originally posted by BJMFH
I couldn't believe my buddy had thrown a hammer at the car. I was just going to pass them, hopefully spray some rocks from the shoulder at their car and be content at that. We stared at each other for a moment and burst out laughing. My buddy and I were in the Marines together; I'd always know he was fucking nuts but not to that extent. He didn't even get pissed or anything. The motherfucker just threw the hammer like it was the normal thing to do. The only thing he was pissed about was the fact that we now had to find another hardware store that was still open since we needed another hammer. We still laugh about that shit every time we see each other.

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You're fucked in the head. And you were laughing about this? Even if you were fucked up enough to think that throwing a hammer at that driver was ok, which is pretty damn fucked up to begin with, you didn't even seem to think of what happened to the other car on his right as a result.

Not to mention that your post added absolutely nothing to this discussion.

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Originally posted by neobuyer
OMG you just gave me an idea

Wouldn't it be hilarious to get a camera and make some of those "Jamie Kennedy Experiment' (or Candid Camera) type videos

Get on a bus/subway and have the guy with the hidden camera sit just down and across from you- then take out a cell phone and start having a LOUD conversation about the enourmously huge nasty stinking dump you took only half an hour ago

Saying shit like "Oh fuck man- it was unreal- I swear that log was like, 3 different colors and at least 2 feet long"

And go on and on and ON about how it looked/smelled and such

I sort of want to getg on one of the Metro-Rail cars here in LA and try it.

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ROFLMAO .... yeah dude that would be sweet :D. Especially in LA - I think you'd get a great reaction there :).

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Originally posted by Rade Kuruc
Dude, you are a fucking knob. I hope you get wrapped around a pole.

I doubt your story is real. What you are laughing at is essentially potential murder. Your fucking useless militairy monkey ass is good for nothing. The problem isnt't slow drivers, it's the assholes that go way to fast.

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According to you am I a liar, a monkey ass, useless, sick in the head, and good for nothing. I really hope you feel better after having said all that. That's quite a mouthful to say about someone you don't even know.

The problem IS slow drivers who don't know their place on the road. Once again I will reiterate my point, there is a place for fast drivers; it is the left lane. There is a place for slow drivers too; it's the right and middle lanes.

I'm not defending my buddies' actions or mine. I know that from a moral standpoint what we did was wrong. I still say the driver got what he fucking deserved. He sped up when I tried to pass him, slowed back down when I was behind him, and downshifted so I wouldn't see his brake lights. The driver was a fucking tool. The car he crashed into when he lost control of his car didn't deserve to be hit. I do feel remorse about that. The other car was simply in the wrong place at the wrong time. As for commiting vehicular manslaughter, a few seconds after the event took place, I looked back in the rearview mirror and it looked like both cars had pulled over to the side of the freeway. I couldn't really tell though. And yes, that shit is fucking funny. Someone was acting like a jerk and caught it right in the ass. What's funnier than that?

I have noticed a certain trend while driving, the less populated the area, the more polite the driver. City drivers are buttknockers who try to piss you off for no fucking reason. Whenever I drive up north, people will always yield the right of the way to the faster driver. It's great!

Every summer my friends and I make a 250 mile road trip up north to rent a cottage on a lake for a week or so. We have our own mini cannonball run on the drive up there. There are 4 of us and we take two cars. We race each other for the whole 250 miles. The best time I ever made was 2 hours and 10 minutes in a WRX. Our average speed was around 120 mph.

The only reason we are able to drive like that is because people up north will get the fuck out of your way. They don't try to cut you off, block your path, or stay in the fastlane when they shouldn't. I love driving up there; people fucking understand how to drive. Shit even the truck drivers will honk and wave (wave, not flip off) at us when we fly by. They know what's up.

Uh, 120mph. Right. You're just as big of a tool as that guy's whos windshield you smashed.