31-year-old Boston Red Sox pitcher Pedro Martinez heaves 72-year-old to the ground

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10-11-2003, 08:36 PM
Steve

31-year-old Boston Red Sox pitcher Pedro Martinez heaves 72-year-old to the ground

Man, that was classless. Sure, Zimmer looked like he wanted a piece of Pedro and Zimmer did in fact charge Pedro, and emotions were running high, but grabbing a 72-year-old man by the head and chucking him to the ground with that kind of force? Uncalled for.

And how about the head gesturing by Pedro? He should have stopped when he was ahead. No pun intended.

Wow, the series really has picked up its intensity. I think Burkett will do nothing crazy tomorrow (considering his makeup) but don't count out on David 'Boomer' Wells to stay entirely innocent. He's almost like Roger Clemens II in terms of emotion.

Just from a "super excitement" point of view, I want to see this series go 7 and have Pedro vs. Clemens in Game Seven at Yankee Stadium. Now that ... would ... be ... sick.
10-11-2003, 08:41 PM
qube

Agree with you here Steve. Pedro really made it hard to want to cheer for Boston earlier today. Only my undying hatred for the Yankees kept me on Bostons side earlier today.

I cheer for the Astros and whoever is playing the NY teams;)

Q-
10-11-2003, 08:57 PM
c.t.h

I can understand why he did that - he didn't want to punch him, for risk of hurting his hand, and you instincts tell you to do something. I don't get why Zimmer took that cheap shot at him, that was way lame.
10-11-2003, 09:09 PM
Plisken

souhdbs to me lijke the olod man got PWNMND!!!!!111
10-11-2003, 09:15 PM
Nesagwa

http://www.geocities.com/nesagwa2001/redsoxors.txt
10-11-2003, 09:27 PM
gmw

Not to be a total shithead here, but I frankly thought that Martinez dropping Zimmer's roly-poly frame to the ground was hilarious. Let's put it this way - only a real moron of a fat-ass short senior citizen would be dumb enough to throw a punch at a guy like Pedro. Serves him right for such a retarded move.
10-11-2003, 10:15 PM
vincewy

How about a baseball bat brawl on the next game, disabling most of the Yankess whom will be to tired to play World Series, they'll simply have to give championship away to Cubs (at this point it looks like).

Although I don't aprove this type of behavior, Yankees need to take some serious beating, tomorrow, I'm hoping to see all fans charging toward Rivera that there won't be enough police and security guards to save him.
10-11-2003, 11:59 PM
Big Shady

I was kind of disturbed, but I also found it fuckin' hilarious :loco:

I'm sorry, but that was to good.
10-12-2003, 12:19 AM
Steve

I'll be honest, when I saw it, even though I knew what Pedro did was classless, I did kinda jump and went "oooh!" because it's almost natural human emotion.

It was kinda amusing how Zimmer went down and I know that doesn't sound morally right but in the words of one ESPN reporter... "embarrassing yet exciting." I don't think any better words could be used!

Don Zimmer = real life Grandpa Simpson! :buttrock:
10-12-2003, 12:56 AM
johnroche

I wanted the Yankees to win before, but that was just because fuck you. Now, I want them to win because it's obvious that the Red Sox are a bunch of degenerates who beat up on the elderly. And from what I'm told, the Cubs eat babies. ;)

And the Yankees didn't ruin baseball--all the other teams did by letting themselves become victims of the Yankees. I mean, you can only whine "they have better players" so many times before the words ring hollow.
10-12-2003, 01:58 AM
aria

Since I don't really like baseball, I found it hillarious -it reminded me of that big bald guy from Burning fight -charge then toss :)
10-12-2003, 02:25 AM
Dean

Man, Pedro is a pansy-ass. That idiot missed a start against the Yankees earlier in the year due to a sore throat. WTF?

And he started the whole thing by throwing behind Karim Garcia's head after getting shelled in the 4th. Chicken shit Pedro. Then tries to taunt the Yanks' bench afterward. And then the other "miss 3 games against the Yanks" sore throat dufus ManRam goes off the handle when Clemens throws a high pitch above the plate! Must've been so that weakass Pedro would have a chance to throw Zimmer to the ground.

I still don't know how no one got ejected.

Did anyone see the guy try to start a fight in the Yankee bullpen later in the game? That guy was the groundskeeper. Another Red Sux EMPLOYEE.

No wonder Sux are cursed. Bunch of idiots on that squad.
10-12-2003, 02:31 AM
das roker

I think Pedro did right.

Its not like he threw a punch or anything.

It was more like, "Hey, back off me old man."
10-12-2003, 02:50 AM
Steve

Quote:

Originally posted by D-Lite
Did anyone see the guy try to start a fight in the Yankee bullpen later in the game? That guy was the groundskeeper. Another Red Sux EMPLOYEE.

No wonder Sux are cursed. Bunch of idiots on that squad.

Well, the story is developing and I originally thought what you thought too... but the groundskeeper might ACTUALLY BE INNOCENT!

Charges may be pressed against Nelson and Garcia. Groundskeeper (damn long name, hereonout GK) was in the Yankee bullpen just cheering on his team... when apparently Jeff Nelson had enough and proceeded to try and stomp a mudhole in him... hence the shoe marks on the back of GK's t-shirt. Then Garcia, right fielder, hopped the small fence and took a couple shots of his own.

So GK seems innocent... just stupid Nelson lost his cool.
10-12-2003, 03:21 AM
Average Joe

I laughed my ass off when it happened.

I laughed my ass off during the replays.

I laughed my ass off during the highlights on FOX news afterwards.

And I just laughed my ass again after reading this thread and having the image replay itself in my head.
10-12-2003, 04:01 AM
Steve

the truth

Quote:

Originally posted by Average Joe
I laughed my ass off when it happened.

I laughed my ass off during the replays.

I laughed my ass off during the highlights on FOX news afterwards.

And I just laughed my ass again after reading this thread and having the image replay itself in my head.

Sad thing is... I don't blame you.

Human nature... I don't find what happened tween Z and Pedro to be funny, I find it hilarious (there's a diff tween the two)

It's sad but yeah... baseball to me is a microcosm of life. Some times it's unfair... some times it's ugly... some times it's just plain laugh out loud funny or hilarious... some times it's just FUCKED UP... and every once in a while... it's just...

perfect.

But expect much more of the former (parts) than the latter!
10-12-2003, 04:47 AM
striderpunk

Am I the only one who thinks

the game was scripted it seemed more like wwe than mlb reeally pedro must have been practicing judo
10-12-2003, 04:56 AM
Chicago Cheeseburgler Crew

comedy
10-12-2003, 07:56 AM
Arcademan

If anything, it made the game more exciitig.

Wondered if it was a ploy to help boost the ratings for tonight's game...you know more people are going to watch it just to see if there's going to be any retaliation or retribution :blow_top:
10-12-2003, 07:58 AM
Average Joe

Quote:

Originally posted by Arcademan
If anything, it made the game more exciitig.

Wondered if it was a ploy to help boost the ratings for tonight's game...you know more people are going to watch it just to see if there's going to be any retaliation or retribution :blow_top:

It was a Division Championship game with the Red Sox and the Yankees...

No extra sort of drama was needed to boost the ratings of a match like this.
10-12-2003, 11:35 AM
DangerousK

It's being said the GK started the fight. Jeff Nelson told him if he was going to cheer for the Red Sox then do it in their bullpen and not the Yankee bullpen. I think that is fair, he didn't belong in their bullpen. The police have suddenly stopped saying anything about pressing charges against Jeff Nelson and Karim Garcia, maybe because they realized that the idiot GK started the fight.

Second, Pedro Martinez is the biggest piece of shit I have ever seen. I lost all respect for him after yesterday's game. Is he a good pitcher? Sure. But that's about it. He has been intentionally throwing at the Yankee batters. He did it in July to Soriano and Jeter, and he did it to Garcia yesterday. There was no reason to throw at Garcia. Yes the Yankees got a couple of big hits off him, but that was his own fault that they got the hits. Then his taunting of the Yankee bench by pointing to his own head was insane. What a fucking fruit loop. If there was no DH rule and pitchers had to bat, if I were Roger I would have beaned that motherfucker right in his head for that.

Thirdly, people seem to be missing out on why Don Zimmer got so pissed at Martinez. He was hit in the head by a pitch in 1953 and spent 2 weeks in a coma and almost lost his life. So it's understandable why he was so animated over the pitch at Karim Garcia. He's going to be protective of his players.

Crazy game...lets hope the Yanks can go up 3-1 tonight.
10-12-2003, 11:52 AM
ajsega

That was disturbing but hilarious at the same time. The main point is that the Sox still lost which sucks.
10-12-2003, 12:41 PM
Lastblade

I grew up in Boston and consider myself somewhat of a Sox fan, but damnit, I hope Yankees whoop Boston's ass.

Why? Because of stupid things like what Pedro did. Intentionally trying to hurt someone, then taunt about it, he has no sportsmanship whatsoever. Rivalry is good and all but that's beyond anything like that when he tries to hurt someone.

The Don Zimmer thing is just stupid, he shouldn't have charge at him, and Pedro did have to protect himself. I don't have a problem with that, even tho it is kinda funny.

And people wonder about the curse and all that. There is no curse, all I see is Pedro being a cry baby b/c someone got a few runs past him. If every pitcher does that, alot of batters would have to wear helmets to the ball game. It is stupid stupid ridiculous unsportsmanlike conduct that will ulimately doom the redsox, not some dead guy from 90 years ago.
10-12-2003, 12:52 PM
OrochiEddie

Comedy Gold. We need more stuff like that happening in Baseball. The sport is so god aweful boring other wise....

GO CUBBIES!
10-12-2003, 12:55 PM
Kim _Kaphwan

just another reason to cheer for the redsocks, even their players are fucking badasses, not just the team, and not just the fans, but even the players don't take shit from other people, god i love the city of boston, and i sure do love the redsocks LET'S GO REDSOCKS!!!!
10-12-2003, 01:23 PM
FormlessOne

I haven't seen it, but I can imagine :tickled:
10-12-2003, 01:25 PM
SuperDuperSpork

Did you guys even watch the game??? Zimmer had it coming! Pedro didn't have to grap his big fat head and push him to the ground, he could've and should've knocked him out. The guy was charging him at full 72 year old speed and took a swing for his head and missed.

Jeff Nelson STARTED the fight with the grounds keeper. So what if he was near there bull pen, THE GAME WAS AT FENWAY!! They're surrounded by Red Sox fans calling them names!! During the keepers beat down Kim Garcia jumped the fence to get in a couple blows for himself. Both of them are being charged with assault. It was their stupidity.

Now the Yankees want an apology from the Red Sox because Zimmer missing his punch and got thrown down.
AND
They want an apology from the Red Sox because their players beat up a Red Sox grounds keeper.

THE YANKEED ARE A BUNCH OF FUCKING PUSSIES!!

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10-12-2003, 09:14 PM
striderpunk

http://www.thebluehen.com/photos/00001460.jpg

OWNED!!!!
10-12-2003, 09:42 PM
El_Duque

sorry to dissapoint you guys but i think pedro like anyone else in his shoes was acting in self defense. zimmer is the idiot here, and even though he is old, he should of not mixed it up with pedro. and after seeing that, if i was pedro, i would of socked that zimmer in the face for stupid even though he is 72 years old.

what boogles me is WTF is that red sox groundskeeper doing in the yankees bullpen? wrong place and wrong time buddy. i hope he gets his ass fired by the end of today.
10-12-2003, 10:03 PM
striderpunk

Quote:

Originally posted by Kim _Kaphwan
just another reason to cheer for the redsocks, even their players are fucking badasses, not just the team, and not just the fans, but even the players don't take shit from other people, god i love the city of boston, and i sure do love the redsocks LET'S GO REDSOCKS!!!!

:buttrock: :buttrock: SOX RULE, :buttrock: :buttrock:
10-12-2003, 10:18 PM
DangerousK

Quote:

Originally posted by SuperDuperSpork
Did you guys even watch the game??? Zimmer had it coming! Pedro didn't have to grap his big fat head and push him to the ground, he could've and should've knocked him out. The guy was charging him at full 72 year old speed and took a swing for his head and missed.

Jeff Nelson STARTED the fight with the grounds keeper. So what if he was near there bull pen, THE GAME WAS AT FENWAY!! They're surrounded by Red Sox fans calling them names!! During the keepers beat down Kim Garcia jumped the fence to get in a couple blows for himself. Both of them are being charged with assault. It was their stupidity.

Now the Yankees want an apology from the Red Sox because Zimmer missing his punch and got thrown down.
AND
They want an apology from the Red Sox because their players beat up a Red Sox grounds keeper.

THE YANKEED ARE A BUNCH OF FUCKING PUSSIES!!

http://www.thebluehen.com/photos/00001460.jpg

Yeah and thats why the police suddenly shut up about arresting them on assault charges? They have no case, the Boston GK started it.

A bunch of pussies?

No, they have class, something you and your team know nothing about. There's a reason they have 26 World Championships and your shit team hasn't won one since 1918.
10-12-2003, 10:21 PM
DangerousK

Quote:

Originally posted by Kim _Kaphwan
just another reason to cheer for the redsocks, even their players are fucking badasses, not just the team, and not just the fans, but even the players don't take shit from other people, god i love the city of boston, and i sure do love the redsocks LET'S GO REDSOCKS!!!!

No, the team and people of that area have no class.

I've been up there and I've never seen a bunch of no class conceited shitheads.

If you call trying to start a big fight over a pitch that had no chance of hitting him being a badass then you really aren't all that smart.

It's more like a jackass who has no class.

Clemens was not going to hit someone because of the importance of the game. A shame Manny "I miss games because of sore throats" Ramirez didn't charge the mound because Clemens would have fucked up his sorry ass.
10-12-2003, 10:36 PM
SuperDuperSpork

Quote:

Originally posted by DangerousK
Yeah and thats why the police suddenly shut up about arresting them on assault charges? They have no case, the Boston GK started it.

A bunch of pussies?

No, they have class, something you and your team know nothing about. There's a reason they have 26 World Championships and your shit team hasn't won one since 1918.

Actually my team won in 1983, but anyway. The Red Sox are definatly not my team, but choosing between them and the Wankees, the choice is easy. And the ONLY reason they have won world championships lately is because of money, that's it. They can't even do that anymore.
10-12-2003, 10:43 PM
c.t.h

The yankees currently consist of a bunch of veterans collecting ridiculous pay checks. Don't tell me they didn't buy that team - they went out and outbidded everybody else for Jose Contrares (sp), a 31 yr old pitcher that was injured half of this year.

With the yankees, it's all money. "Yeah, but they have great fans, and sell out". So what, if the Royals won 100 games they could sell out too.
10-12-2003, 10:44 PM
DangerousK

Please, grow up, the money argument is so lame.

They have a team that wants to win.

Don't say every team wants to win because thats what seperates the losers from the winners. The one with passion will always be the best.

They don't even have the best players in MLB at every position. Get that straight. They have good players no doubt, but not the best.
10-12-2003, 10:46 PM
DangerousK

Quote:

Originally posted by c.t.h
The yankees currently consist of a bunch of veterans collecting ridiculous pay checks. Don't tell me they didn't buy that team - they went out and outbidded everybody else for Jose Contrares (sp), a 31 yr old pitcher that was injured half of this year.

With the yankees, it's all money. "Yeah, but they have great fans, and sell out". So what, if the Royals won 100 games they could sell out too.

Yeah and Alex Rodriguez is paid how much money?

More than any single Yankee player and several combined.

No one bitches about the Braves being more dominant in a division than the Yankees have been.

Gee, how logical. :rolleyes:

12 straight division titles doesn't garner any comments.

Don't be a hypocrite.
10-12-2003, 10:49 PM
c.t.h

Listen, the payroll is 180 million - that's beyond ridiculous, and is bordering on ludicrous. Does it take some talent to acquire the right exspensive players? yes, we saw evidence of that with the rangers. But does it take money first and foremost? YES.

Look at the midseason - the yankees needed a third basemen, boom, get aaron boone. Look at the starting rotation, it's money:

Petitte
Wells
Clemens
Mussina
+ contreras if they want too

Did I mention Jeff Weaver, the tigers ace that they went out and bought?

I mean, come on, the team just buys the pennant. Do you know how good the Royals could be now if they had that money? We could have Johnny Damon, Jermaine Dye, Jeremy Giambi, Jeff Suppan, keep beltran, etc.

Don't deny the fact that it's all about MONEY. Small market teams like the A's work for years to acquire talent while the yankees just pop open the good ole' checkbook.
10-12-2003, 10:50 PM
c.t.h

Quote:

Originally posted by DangerousK
Yeah and Alex Rodriguez is paid how much money?

More than any single Yankee player and several combined.

No one bitches about the Braves being more dominant in a division than the Yankees have been.

Gee, how logical. :rolleyes:

12 straight division titles doesn't garner any comments.

Don't be a hypocrite.

The Braves aren't close to the yankees - AFAIK their payroll isn't nearing 180 million, and they can't afford to just buy whomever they want.
10-12-2003, 10:56 PM
jeff bogard

I saw the clip on that, and the old man asked for it.
10-12-2003, 11:01 PM
SuperDuperSpork

Quote:

Originally posted by DangerousK
Please, grow up, the money argument is so lame.

They have a team that wants to win.

Don't say every team wants to win because thats what seperates the losers from the winners. The one with passion will always be the best.

They don't even have the best players in MLB at every position. Get that straight. They have good players no doubt, but not the best.

Well lets see
The New York Yankees Payroll is $180million (64 million over the Collective Bargaining Agreement) and they finished in 1st

Tampa Bay Devil Rays Paroll is $14 million and they finished in last.

Your right, the money argument is LAMEO!:oh_no:

actually, in the east the Red Sox had the second highest payroll, then the Blue Jays, then the Orioles.. Now, what were the standings this year again???
10-12-2003, 11:06 PM
Arcademan

It's times like this I'm glad I'm a Diamondbacks fan ;)

Of course, we didn't make the playoffs so it's a moot point :crying:
10-13-2003, 03:22 AM
300wins

I watched the game, and saw what happened. My thoughts on some of the people.

Zimmer - Yes, you got a plate in your head due to a beaning in 1953. But charging the mound and trying to swing at Pedro was pretty dumb and you deserved what happened.

Pedro - What you did to Zimmer was fine. You didn't punch him or anything. Beaning Garcia... not that big of a deal. But taunting and pointing to your head and saying you're gonna bean Posada in the head... that was very classless and unsportsman like.

Manny - If Clemens really wanted to hit you in the head, he could've easily done it. But it wasn't even close. Even your manager and teammates said you overreacted.

Nelson/Garcia - Don't know what to say, other than Nelson has sucked since he came back from the Mariners. :make_fac:

Walker - Sucks to be you, since Garcia tried to take you out with that slide. But you were man enough to understand why he did that and didn't retaliate. My hat goes off to you for staying calm during this whole mess.

Overall, I enjoyed the game AND the Jerry Springer like sideshow of the game very much.
10-13-2003, 08:15 AM
Phoenix Down

Quote:

Originally posted by DangerousK

Clemens was not going to hit someone because of the importance of the game. A shame Manny "I miss games because of sore throats" Ramirez didn't charge the mound because Clemens would have fucked up his sorry ass.

Did we forget about Mike Piazza in the 2000 World Series? Or how about previously when he hit him in the head in the regular season?

Roger Clemens is the ultimate hypocrite here. He's been successful because of flat-out intimidation. He's said in interviews that he admires Walter Johnson (a notorious headhunter in his day). He signs a big fat contract with Toronto and then whines about how his team isn't successful. Sounds like a real team player to me.

Who knows? Maybe Pedro is just trying to imitate the "greatest pitcher of our era"?:rolleyes:
10-13-2003, 08:20 AM
2Heed

Just watched the news this morning. Pedro's getting fined $50,000 for the incident. Humpty-Dumpty, I mean Zimmer, is getting $5,000, or 1/10 the amount of Pedro, despite him instigating the "fight".

What a load of crap. Dumb old fart got what he deserved. Talk about a moron...:rolleyes:
10-13-2003, 11:44 AM
DangerousK

Quote:

Originally posted by Phoenix Down
Did we forget about Mike Piazza in the 2000 World Series? Or how about previously when he hit him in the head in the regular season?

Roger Clemens is the ultimate hypocrite here. He's been successful because of flat-out intimidation. He's said in interviews that he admires Walter Johnson (a notorious headhunter in his day). He signs a big fat contract with Toronto and then whines about how his team isn't successful. Sounds like a real team player to me.

Who knows? Maybe Pedro is just trying to imitate the "greatest pitcher of our era"?:rolleyes:

I'm well aware Clemens hitting batters. Among active pitchers he is second with 142 hit batters, Randy Johnson is first with 146.

Unfortunately while Clemens did hit Kevin Millar back in July, Martinez has hit 3 Yankee batters since. Jeter and Soriano on the hand. Then Garcia in the back. Pedro is also a whiny bitch who hits people the moment he gives up a few big hits and runs.

@Spork

Yes but you also fail to realize that while the Yankees have a 180 million dollar payroll, it does not mean a team will automatically win the World Series. The New York Rangers have the highest payroll in the NHL and they have not made the playoffs for 6 years straight. It's not as simple as you try and make it be bub.
10-13-2003, 11:47 AM
gmw

Quote:

Originally posted by 2Heed
Just watched the news this morning. Pedro's getting fined $50,000 for the incident. Humpty-Dumpty, I mean Zimmer, is getting $5,000, or 1/10 the amount of Pedro, despite him instigating the "fight".

What a load of crap. Dumb old fart got what he deserved. Talk about a moron...:rolleyes:

Agreed - what total bullshit. That fucking ancient chubster Zimmer is lucky that Martinez didn't clock him and lay him out cold for rushing at him swinging. He pushes him aside to the ground and gets fined 50 grand? And what the fuck is with Manny Ramirez getting a 25 grand fine while Garcia and Zimmer get far lower fines? Ridiculous. Here's hoping Zimmer tries his nonsense again and gets dropped for real this time.
10-13-2003, 12:15 PM
FeelGood

$50K for Martinez and $5K for Zimmer? Is that age discrimination or something?
10-13-2003, 12:15 PM
DangerousK

Quote:

Originally posted by gmw
Agreed - what total bullshit. That fucking ancient chubster Zimmer is lucky that Martinez didn't clock him and lay him out cold for rushing at him swinging. He pushes him aside to the ground and gets fined 50 grand? And what the fuck is with Manny Ramirez getting a 25 grand fine while Garcia and Zimmer get far lower fines? Ridiculous. Here's hoping Zimmer tries his nonsense again and gets dropped for real this time.

Yeah and you folks seem to be missing the fact that Martinez also tried to bean Garcia in the head and then was taunting Posada by telling him he was going to throw the ball at his head.

Nice to see you look at all of the details that would warrant a $50,000 fine. :rolleyes:
10-13-2003, 12:42 PM
gmw

Quote:

Originally posted by DangerousK
Yeah and you folks seem to be missing the fact that Martinez also tried to bean Garcia in the head and then was taunting Posada by telling him he was going to throw the ball at his head.

Nice to see you look at all of the details that would warrant a $50,000 fine. :rolleyes:

Look, Martinez was plain stupid to do the head-pointing yelling match with Posada - I'll grant you that.

But to charge Martinez 5 times what Garcia was charged and 10 times what Zimmer was charged is ridiculous, especially in Zimmer's case.
10-13-2003, 07:26 PM
Arcademan

Quote:

Originally posted by DangerousK
I'm well aware Clemens hitting batters. Among active pitchers he is second with 142 hit batters, Randy Johnson is first with 146.

Woo-Hoo!!! A Diamondback player first in a category :D

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