Will buying Capcom be enough to save the flagging GameCube? (No flaming please)

Firstly, let me just say that I am the biggest Ninty fan in the whole Fucking world!
I'm not however, a console facist, I love the DC, and suprisingly (cos I thought I'd hate it) I love the X-Box.
I'm not a PS2 fan, although I had one for a year. I thought it was a sloppily designed, poorly exectuted sub-Dreamcast piece of hardware.

So, to business.

The Capcom rumour seems to be the most likley of the 'Megaton' rumours. Question is, if Nintendo Acquire Capcom, and then if they make ALL Capcom releases exclusive to Nintendo consoles, is it going to be enough to turn around their flagging fortunes?

Yeah, I know, my heart says YES!
But, I thought that having Resi would make PS2 owners go running to the ATM.
So, seeing as it didnt, will a few more Capcom titles (None as big business as Resi Evil) make any difference?

With Sony currently having over half of the entire video games market share, what will it take to make the game buying public go over to Nintendo?

I love my cube! And the thought of having exclusive Capcom titles on it is just another good reason to have it! But thats me, I like 2D fighters, and for that matter 2D shooters, the Resi series etc.

Capcom already have an almost 'retro' feel, especially with younger gamers who may not appreciate the full glory of the second dimension.

At least Nintendo will now be able to counter the 'Can't make a fighting game' critisism, thats been leveled at them so many times over the years.

But what other 'real' advantages are there to the acquisition of Capcom?

Would buying Sega have given them a more varied portfolio with a broader appeal?

Certainly, a lot of dyed-in-the-wool, Capcom loving, Nintendo haters are gonna be pissed about it!
But I find myself thinking that if the average PS2 owner is happy witht the standard of the average PS2 release, is the actual quality of games even an issue any more?

I actually think that the GC has got by far the strongest X-mas line up of triple 'A' titles!
And that has earned it around a 7% market share.
Now dont flame me, or start another console war thread. I'm genuinely interested to hear what people think about this and the whole console situation at the moment.

[ December 15, 2002: Message edited by: Metal Slug ]</p>

in a word NO.

I doubt Capcom is looking to be bought by anybody and it would be a poor investment. I love Capcom Dearly however they haven't been doing too much orignal content 80% of releases are rehash and Steel battlion is selling wayyyyyyyyyyyy too well for Capcom to be swallowed up by Nintendo before they could cash in on future titles.

while it is true that Capcom has some GC orignal Content upcomming there is plenty of rehash coughresidentevilcough

Capcom is best off as a 3rd party.

This is not to say I'm anti Nintendo. while I won't forgive them for their past practices I think Nintendo is doing well with the cube and the best thing they can do is pump out more games. I don't think there will be a Megaton annoucement. I think as is always the case with them was all hype.

I look foward to getting a cube and getting reaquainted with some old friends.

[ December 15, 2002: Message edited by: bemanisuperstar ]</p>

I honestly believe that in today's gaming market, Capcom being bought out by Nintendo or any company aquiring this or that company doesn't mean a whole lot overall. As you stated, today ppl want to play games (anything that looks cool and controls about average) more than they're concerned with "A" titles. Thing is even with us all having our favorite console over another, most of us (ppl in here who are die-hards) either own all 3 systems or will own all 3 at some point. Thus, while the Biohazard series is a big deal within that genre of gaming, and the Street Fighter franchise still carrying weight, it matters not. In the year 2003 for all purposes, Capcom does not have the blitzkreig heavy weight status they once wielded in the SFII days. Same could be said about RARE now being owned by Microsoft. Sure, that company will find things out about the XBOX that have yet to be unleashed, but at the end of the day... People flock and/or stick to a product that has for all purposes become ingrained in their daily habbit.

Thus Sony is Nintendo in it's prime...
XBOX is SEGA in it's prime...
and "A" titles or not, Nintendo has become the TG-16/Turbo Duo of this phase of the console wars. And that's not a put down either, it's simply the fact that while the TG16 was in some lights better than the Megadrive and Super Fami, it didn't sell as well in the USA. So gone are the days when ppl flock to this system or that system, it's all moot now. It's almost like bigotry itself... we live in a global community where the majority couldn't care less the color of a persons skin (excluding simple minded ppl) because it's all about if you're "Economically Viable" to the global system overall. Anyone not within this margin is the outcast, and thus not so openly made to fall in line, making those questionable to the Wa (or harmony) of the collective majority the problem overall... thus meaning... the companies are all one in the same in their aims, we (the consumers) are expected to buy all of the systems, even the mainstreamers because we live in a world where it takes nothing to charge a card for money we don't even have. The fact that companies buy out other "recognized" companies for possible exclusitivity is just icing on the proverbial cake... it's there to get little johnny whinning about needing this system, even though he has that system and in the end he gets all three.

That's just my take on it though and I'm sure many will disagree.

It seems like the most understandable rumor. Capcom and N have been pretty close it seems; i mean, letting Capcom Co-Dev one of Nintendo's flagship titles? [zelda for GB, and GBA]

I really dont see Nintendo going anywhere.
I don't see microsoft going anywhere.
This is a new, wierd world.
There seems to be enough room in the market for all three consoles.

At least this time around.

All preference aside, taking off my "gamer" hat...

The GameCube doesn't need to be saved. Just because a console isn't #1 in every market doesn't mean it's a failure (look at the URL for this site to see that). I don't think anyone ever thought the GameCube would beat the PS2, honestly no one will. There's just too many people with one and it is pretty much the defacto "game appliance" (meaning the unit someone buys if they're a casual game player, like...Johnny gets a new job, he buys a new stereo, TV and a PS2... Person X, only plays Madden, he buys a PS2 to play Madden...My sister has one for christ's sake, she plays Fifa and that's it.). What I tell everyone I know when they ask me, I tell them the PS2 will be around the longest and probably have the largest library. HOWEVER, for my money, the Nintendo exclusives are more tempting than the PS2 exclusives (although Fighter Maker 2, Akira Psychoball, GTA:VC, Mojib Ribbon, Raugaki Kingdom... are making a hell of a stance for me to buy a PS2 on the next price break).

Financially...the GameCube is making money.

The system is having more and more high quality exclusive titles, and the user base is growing at a nice happy rate.

I don't think it needs "saved". Can the purchase of Capcom propell the GameCube into first place? Hell no.

Might it help to secure 2nd place? I'd say it'd do more for Nintendo than Rare did/does for Microsoft (Love Conker in a very real and powerful way...Rare hasn't really made anything in a while and the bottom line shows it. Still, a hell of a good house to have exclusivly. Then again, same could be said for Capcom. They haven't shocked the world since Resident Evil. I think both of them have it in them to pull off something big and if for no other reason than it's a larger house, Capcom has a better chance of doing it or at the least releasing a lot of very good titles, possibly this new exclusive 5).

But the only thing that could 'catch' the PS2 in terms of sales is the GBA. And, I firmly believe if Nintendo keeps up with the GBA&gt;GC connectability, you might see some GC being sold to GBA owners. Maybe, maybe not.

[quote]Originally posted by Blaine:
<strong>But the only thing that could 'catch' the PS2 in terms of sales is the GBA. And, I firmly believe if Nintendo keeps up with the GBA&gt;GC connectability, you might see some GC being sold to GBA owners. Maybe, maybe not.</strong><hr></blockquote>

totally agree in every thing you have said - apart from the last part

sicne you brought the gba into the equation

we could say will the ps2 ever catch up the game boy - never

on the actual home console market the ps2 is untouchable because of its user base and no matter how much i would love the gc to catch it up - it never will (same goes for the billy box)

i think the gamecube is profitable

suppose it would mean devil may cry 2 on gamecube amongst other s which would be nice

Dont get me wrong, Im under no illusion that the GC will tople the PS2 from the numero uno position, sales wise.
But, with a dwindling 6-7% share of the overall market, what will it take to make the GC more than just a 'fringe' format?
Dont forget, the PS1 still accounts for around 13% of sales (UK all format)
Add to that the increase in X-box sales (now the deals are too good to miss), and the GC is not looking even as healthy as the DC did before Sega canned it.

[quote]Originally posted by Metal Slug:
<strong>the GC is not looking even as healthy as the DC did before Sega canned it.</strong><hr></blockquote>

mate the best thing to do is get a switched machine

i am loving my gc right now as there are loads of great games out now

and i dont have to wait until march - when feb/march hits i would expect it to pick up once a couple of AAA titles hit europe

i am in the uk but because of a switched gamecube all i care about is the Jap/Us market were the games are in abundance

;)

I totally regret getting a Pal Cube? A switched Jap/US would have been a far better option. <img src="graemlins/spock.gif" border="0" alt="[Spock]" />
It wouldn't be so bad for Pal gamers if there was some kind of mod or boot disc available? So we could be getting the good stuff! <img src="graemlins/ohno.gif" border="0" alt="[Oh No]" />

Still at least I have plenty to do in the mean time! <img src="graemlins/glee.gif" border="0" alt="[Glee]" />

[quote]Originally posted by Tsuyugasumi:
<strong>I totally regret getting a Pal Cube? A switched Jap/US would have been a far better option. <img src="graemlins/spock.gif" border="0" alt="[Spock]" />
It wouldn't be so bad for Pal gamers if there was some kind of mod or boot disc available? So we could be getting the good stuff! <img src="graemlins/ohno.gif" border="0" alt="[Oh No]" />

Still at least I have plenty to do in the mean time! <img src="graemlins/glee.gif" border="0" alt="[Glee]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

Well seeing as Nintendo Europe hates us, the reason the FreeLoader is not out yet is because nintendo europe have some 'legal wranglings' with it. Read- it won't come out. Maybe instead of faffying around with pathetic shit like trying to ban a boot disc, they should get their asses in gear and release the good GC games in PAL format. as far as i'm concerned, nintendo deserve the 8% in the market :mad:

True they keep trying to stop the UK & Europe from being able to play imports, but never stop to think why? <img src="graemlins/veryangry.gif" border="0" alt="[Very Angry]" />
Hmm Maybe its because they dont give us the good stuff til everyone else has had it for time! <img src="graemlins/ohno.gif" border="0" alt="[Oh No]" />

I don't think the Gamecube is going away haha.....I mean its like right there with x-box the last time i heard. And I can really care if it sells or not cuz I love the games on that system!

I hear that the Freeloader code IS totally finished, and that the problem for Datel is getting the blank disks to put it on.

For sure though, Datel want it done ASAP, as its tied into their action replay cheat disk for GC, and they've said that this project takes priority over the region-x for x-box, which is on hold until freeloader is finished.

So all in all they probobly want it on the shelves as much as we do.

the Gamecube is somewhat struggling, but the GBA is raking in loads of money for Nintendo. after thanksgiving day, one million GBA systems were sold in a period of ten days <img src="graemlins/glee.gif" border="0" alt="[Glee]" />

[quote]Originally posted by buster_broon:
<strong>

mate the best thing to do is get a switched machine

i am loving my gc right now as there are loads of great games out now

and i dont have to wait until march - when feb/march hits i would expect it to pick up once a couple of AAA titles hit europe

i am in the uk but because of a switched gamecube all i care about is the Jap/Us market were the games are in abundance

;) </strong><hr></blockquote>


Yeah, I know! But if I do, then freeloader will come out the very next day!
(Always happens like that)
But I know a guy who can do me a good deal on a Silver US one!
So if Datel dont sort their shit out, I may just have to!

[quote]Originally posted by GCNrulez:
<strong>the Gamecube is somewhat struggling, but the GBA is raking in loads of money for Nintendo. after thanksgiving day, one million GBA systems were sold in a period of ten days <img src="graemlins/glee.gif" border="0" alt="[Glee]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

Even the GBA is really struggling in the UK!
A 4% market share, with even the now defunct GBC managing to still have around 1%.

I dont want the GC to struggle! I know that expecting it to topple the 40+% that the PS2 has is just a dream, but I would like to see the GC account for a more healthy 20-25% share of overall sales!

I do think Nintendo are a canny player, and the acquisition of Capcom cannot be a bad thing. Combined with some decent up-coming releases, and some decent hardware add-ons, Ninty could be on the right track....
But, having been a loyal fan for so long, its difficult to have faith in a company that so loves to drop the ball!

1.) Nintendo aquiring Capcom would kill most good games people were looking forward to on GC, because I would kill Miyamoto.

2.) Even if they did by Capcom it wouldn't do much for them at all, seeing as how the strongest Capcom franchise is almost 100% exclusive to Nintendo hasn't done them much good, I don't see how the rest of the games will be much of a draw. Besides Resident Evil is selling, but not that well (it'd be HUGE if it was on PS2), hence I don't think Capcom's owners/shareholders would be too happy bout being bought by Nintendo.

Heh I wouldn't be surprized that after RE4 is out and done and the contract is up, that the RE games start going to PS2 with the way the sales numbers have been going.

Peace

JHendrix

i think Sega, Capcom, and all those third-party companies would be STUPID if they decided to stay exclusive to just one system. I bet you anything, that if Microsoft didn't buy Rare, and they decided to go third-party, they would've made tons of money. They could've made a Conker and ported it to all next-gen systems, or maybe they could've kept some franchises exclusive to some systems. You could say that Nintendo gets Kameo, Microsoft gets Perfect Dark, and Sony gets Conker. but oh well <img src="graemlins/annoyed.gif" border="0" alt="[Annoyed]" />

[quote]Originally posted by Metal Slug:
<strong>Dont get me wrong, Im under no illusion that the GC will tople the PS2 from the numero uno position, sales wise.
But, with a dwindling 6-7% share of the overall market, what will it take to make the GC more than just a 'fringe' format?
Dont forget, the PS1 still accounts for around 13% of sales (UK all format)
Add to that the increase in X-box sales (now the deals are too good to miss), and the GC is not looking even as healthy as the DC did before Sega canned it.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Nothing will save Nintendo from having been categorized as producing kiddie games. Purchasing of Capcom would in no way tip the balance, just as the MS purchase of Rare won't by itself tip the balance for MS.

And after the latest batch of Celda: The Wind Breaker screens, its no wonder Nintendo has this reputation:

http://www.ioip.com/~neogeo/zelda_screen003.jpg

http://www.ioip.com/~neogeo/zelda_screen028.jpg

http://www.ioip.com/~neogeo/zelda_screen041.jpg

http://www.ioip.com/~neogeo/z_screen040.jpg

I could post hundreds more, but whats the point? <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[LOL]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[LOL]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[LOL]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[LOL]" />

Considering how stupid the anti-nintendo folk are (about as stupid as the anti-any-console crowd), yeah, I guess they'll never come up with anything more original than "kiddie games system" to define it...

Capcom wouldn't "save" nintendo.

And... According to my ex-gf, Nintendo is worried about the fact that they haven't sold a lot of consoles, and stupidly thought that after their announcement of Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles they'd sell more systems. But they didn't and so they asked her supervisor, who asked her to ask me, because I'm the super-otaku, and I told them that no square fan needs a gamecube until FFCC is released, and not a day before... Well, nintendo is not that smart. Neither is Microsoft. All of these run by old men that never play games. Except Minami, Miyamoto, and the president of Sega...

[quote]Originally posted by chimpmeister:
<strong>

Nothing will save Nintendo from having been categorized as producing kiddie games. Purchasing of Capcom would in no way tip the balance, just as the MS purchase of Rare won't by itself tip the balance for MS.

And after the latest batch of Celda: The Wind Breaker screens, its no wonder Nintendo has this reputation:
</strong><hr></blockquote>

[quote]Originally posted by chimpmeister:
<strong>And after the latest batch of Celda: The Wind Breaker screens, its no wonder Nintendo has this reputation</strong><hr></blockquote>

You ought to get a suspension. I'm sick of seeing you troll around everyone's topics. It's not like I'm realy mad or anything, but you really are out of hand. You don't just do it to nintendo threads... You also keep posting that nasty monkey pic on Makismo's threads for example. I don't like the guy either, but come on man. Stop the madness already.

[quote]Originally posted by dmhawkmoon:
<strong>

You ought to get a suspension. I'm sick of seeing you troll around everyone's topics. It's not like I'm realy mad or anything, but you really are out of hand. You don't just do it to nintendo threads... You also keep posting that nasty monkey pic on Makismo's threads for example. I don't like the guy either, but come on man. Stop the madness already.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Chimp's getting old already.

No i mean, he's getting old. he's fucking 40. You wouldn't guess it i know but, seriously...

[quote]Originally posted by dmhawkmoon:
<strong>

You ought to get a suspension. I'm sick of seeing you troll around everyone's topics. It's not like I'm realy mad or anything, but you really are out of hand. You don't just do it to nintendo threads... You also keep posting that nasty monkey pic on Makismo's threads for example. I don't like the guy either, but come on man. Stop the madness already.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Why do people get upset when he posts pics of the game?

Peace

JHendrix

[quote]Originally posted by JHendrix:
<strong>

Why do people get upset when he posts pics of the game?

Peace

JHendrix</strong><hr></blockquote>

oh come on :rolleyes:

that was good though.


it's not the pics anyone's sick of, its his trolling every gamecube thread and spamming it with graemlins and 900x900 pics that kill 56k users.

Sounds like a productive member of the community!

[quote]Originally posted by buster_broon:
<strong>

totally agree in every thing you have said - apart from the last part

sicne you brought the gba into the equation

we could say will the ps2 ever catch up the game boy - never

on the actual home console market the ps2 is untouchable because of its user base and no matter how much i would love the gc to catch it up - it never will (same goes for the billy box)

i think the gamecube is profitable

suppose it would mean devil may cry 2 on gamecube amongst other s which would be nice</strong><hr></blockquote>

I think it's very possible. The Game Boy has sold so many units, it's almost sick... you could say that the GBA hasn't had a quick of a start as the GB, but consider that there is NO opposition this time arond. NO Game Gear, and none of the other handhelds which provided so little opposition to the Behemoth that was the Game Boy that they not even need be mentioned, our beloved NGP included. The GBA is going to be around for a long, long, time, and it's going to sell a hell of a lot of units, espeically if Nintendo produces a unit with an improved display, and they did with the original GB... twice.

[quote]Originally posted by JHendrix:
<strong>

Why do people get upset when he posts pics of the game?

Peace

JHendrix</strong><hr></blockquote>

I have nothing agianst the pics, it's his words that are bothersome. I love the pics and see nothing wrong with them.

[quote]Originally posted by JHendrix:
<strong>1.) Nintendo aquiring Capcom would kill most good games people were looking forward to on GC, because I would kill Miyamoto.

2.) Even if they did by Capcom it wouldn't do much for them at all, seeing as how the strongest Capcom franchise is almost 100% exclusive to Nintendo hasn't done them much good, I don't see how the rest of the games will be much of a draw. Besides Resident Evil is selling, but not that well (it'd be HUGE if it was on PS2), hence I don't think Capcom's owners/shareholders would be too happy bout being bought by Nintendo.

Heh I wouldn't be surprized that after RE4 is out and done and the contract is up, that the RE games start going to PS2 with the way the sales numbers have been going.

Peace

JHendrix</strong><hr></blockquote>

What are you talking about... RE0 has sold quite a number of copies, last I've read...

[quote]Originally posted by RiotoftheBlood:
<strong>

What are you talking about... RE0 has sold quite a number of copies, last I've read...</strong><hr></blockquote>

Look at the numbers it sold on GC, and look at the numbers RE games sold on PSX. It's clear that they're not selling as many as they could, and it shows they're a little pissy about it since the one Capcom developer was saying shit about Sony and the PS2 and Square.

Don't matter, things will fall as they may. I seriously doubt that even if they are bought (which would suck, no more 2D fighters), they couldn't cancel the other XBox games, I'm sure w/ MS's asshole tactics they'd have rock solid contracts w/ them over the release of those games. They know how much of a draw they are to the "hardcore" fighter fans.

Peace

JHendrix

Well, Capcom's commitment to the DC didnt stop it from going under (though that could be more to do with Sega's finances than Capcom's support), so I doubt that they will be enough to 'save' the GC (not that it needs saving right now).
Nevertheless, it will probably help the macine quite a bit, as Resi fans will have nowhere else to get there fix from (thats what sold the GC to me), and Capcom games usually manage to get a fair ammout of hype generated.

Think about it. What is everyone excited about now?
DMC2?
Well thats one of the 'BIG' games people are talking about, granted its not the only big game on everyones lips, but generally speaking, when Capcom decide to make a big game people tend to take notice.

In the past, gamers could pass games like GC Rsei and Resi 0 by, because they had Onimusha and DMC to look forard to. Sort of like saying "I can't play Resi, but I can get my fix of Capcom-cinematic-fixed-camera-action-game elsewhere".
If Capcom go GC-exclusive this will no longer be the case.
Once people realise that there will be no more DMC's, Onimusha's etc for their PS2's they may well pick up a GC.

But games like DMC and Resi are not for everyone, and Capcom will need to start excellling in Racing, FPS and Sports games (and make tonns of them) to have any massive impact on GC sales.

Now I'm off to drool over more screens of Product Number 03 <img src="graemlins/drool2.gif" border="0" alt="[Drool 2]" /> :D

I just don't think it will happen to be honest seems like Capcom have to many commitments else where.

I don't like Nintendo (I'm a member of the "anti-Nintendo" fraction if you will), so according to EvilWasabi, I must be stupid.

So, right from the mind of yet another stupid Nintendo hater, here are some thoughts to cement my stupidity even more:

I think that Capcom would totally loose its flavour if they'd work for big N exclusively, because Nintendo would probably force them to streamline their products. IMO, this would result in a heavy focus on action/strategy adventures a la MGS and a few eye candy 3D fighters. I happen to like some of Capcom's more zany games (JoJo, Tech Romancer, etc.), but I bet such stuff would be canned forever/never released anymore.

You know, I read lots of rants on ng.com about the downfall of the video game industry, the fact that "they" only release half-assed games, and about ppl's disappointment with the way video gaming is defined at the mo. Now we have a rumour which, if it turns out to be true, would mean even more emptying of a market which once was literally PACKED with small dev teams, but unlike the usual course of discussion on this bbs, ppl don't seem to give a damn. Sorry, but I must come to the conclusion that there's heavy fanboy-ism involved, the same one which ppl like me are getting accused of if we say something against Nintendo.

I wouldn't want big N to buy Capcom, as much as I wouldn't want Microsoft to buy Sega, Sony to buy whoever they'd buy, etc. I want variety, created by lots of smaller dev teams, not a mono-culture of three or four insanely big companies who can choose what we have to like or not.

[quote]Originally posted by dmhawkmoon:
<strong>

You ought to get a suspension. I'm sick of seeing you troll around everyone's topics. It's not like I'm realy mad or anything, but you really are out of hand. You don't just do it to nintendo threads... You also keep posting that nasty monkey pic on Makismo's threads for example. I don't like the guy either, but come on man. Stop the madness already.</strong><hr></blockquote>

All I've done is post pics of the new Celda game and state my opinion. As JHendrix said, its pretty sad when you get upset at ME because of the look of this game. Are you embarassed or something? Seriously, look at the freaking pics and TELL me that doesn't look like KIDDIE TRASH. The pics pretty much tell the whole story, sorry.

As for the Makismo Monkey Pic, what's so "nasty" about it? Its a pic of an orangutan standing up, so? You're in the minority on that one friend, tons of people got a big kick out of it . . . and I'll continue to post it where appropriate. :D

And finally, lighten up and get a sense of humor. You act like you have a broomstick shoved up your ass . . . <img src="graemlins/tickled.gif" border="0" alt="[Tickled]" />

[quote]Originally posted by Takumaji:
<strong>I don't like Nintendo (I'm a member of the "anti-Nintendo" fraction if you will), so according to EvilWasabi, I must be stupid.

So, right from the mind of yet another stupid Nintendo hater, here are some thoughts to cement my stupidity even more:
</strong><hr></blockquote>

Takumaji, when you get into system war mode, you actually are stupid.

A lot of companies have been system loyal without repercussions.

Tecmo - XBox
Square PS2
and to a large degree
Namco - PS2.

Enix and Koei haven't done anything for anyone but Sony too lately. And then there's Rockstar, which I guess is just a second party for Sony, and obviously sales are not negatively affected by that.

So basically, if you are a company that is in with just one system, it only sucks for the people that want to play your games but can't bend their silly pride to buy that system.

If capcom makes a highly anticipated 2D fighter for the gamecube (not CvS 2 because it was already old hat by the time it came on as EO), the same week as it's released Ascii will put out a fighting stick, and anyone that owns a DC ascii fighting stick knows that they are joystick gods. Things won't be bad.

Besides, Capcom would have full sway on their opinions of what to make. You don't hire a master chef and tell them how to cook. If you think Nintendo would attempt such, you _are_ stupid. They obviously didn't tell Treasure how they should make or not make Mischief Makers, Bangaioh, or Sin and Punishment.

I should add that I don't think Capcom would be bought out by Nintendo. Capcom makes far too much money on all their series to ever consider selling themselves out.

I saw the commercial for Mechassault last night on Adult Swim, and I have to say, I may have been wrong about that game... I know this is off topic and all, but seriously, I may end up buying an X-Box with that as my free pack in game.

[ December 16, 2002: Message edited by: EvilWasabi ]</p>

[quote]Originally posted by JHendrix:
<strong>

Why do people get upset when he posts pics of the game?

Peace

JHendrix</strong><hr></blockquote>

John, you are either wasted or fucking retarded. It has nothing to do with the pics.

And Chimp won't be suspended or flogged or anything. He's a moderator, although without the flashy rank that says so like the other mods, and can troll with impunity.

[quote]Originally posted by Kid Aphex:
<strong>

oh come on :rolleyes:

that was good though.


it's not the pics anyone's sick of, its his trolling every gamecube thread and spamming it with graemlins and 900x900 pics that kill 56k users.

Sounds like a productive member of the community!</strong><hr></blockquote>

Even though you're wrong about my age, thats the only lame comeback you can ever come up with. You're such a retard that you can't even deal with the matter at hand, just always repeat the same lame tired weak shit over and over. At least I'm discussing actual GAMES and not throwing out weak tired stale (and not accurate) flames . . . look in the mirror dude, you're the REAL troll!! <img src="graemlins/tickled.gif" border="0" alt="[Tickled]" />

[quote]Originally posted by Kid Aphex:
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oh come on :rolleyes:

that was good though.


it's not the pics anyone's sick of, its his trolling every gamecube thread and spamming it with graemlins and 900x900 pics that kill 56k users.

Sounds like a productive member of the community!</strong><hr></blockquote>

Those pics are 720x480 and only about 90k each. I'm on dialup too, and they don't cause a problem for me. Maybe you're one of the retarded AOL users who connects at around 24k and is too retarded to know it? Do you even KNOW how to check the actual speed of your connection?

Hey, they're just a few measly Celda screens, if you can't handle them then you shouldn't be on the internet at all. Or maybe you need to upgrade to the newest, LAMEST version of AOL's stupid worthless internet software, 8.0 . . . then you can get your speed up to 30k maybe!! <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[LOL]" />

[ December 16, 2002: Message edited by: chimpmeister ]</p>

What's more embarassing, getting caught masterbating or getting caught playing the paedophile's dream game? <img src="graemlins/tickled.gif" border="0" alt="[Tickled]" /> !!

*fanboy mode on*
Who cares about notendo lamecube(so lame it sux) or that POS celda?
*fanboy mode off*

:D :D :D

[quote]Originally posted by Plisken:
<strong>What's more embarassing, getting caught masterbating or getting caught playing the paedophile's dream game? <img src="graemlins/tickled.gif" border="0" alt="[Tickled]" /> !!</strong><hr></blockquote>oooh dear, I expect better than that from you Plisken.
You've been a good Xbox fan in the past, try not to let your side down with any more silly comments like that, you don't want to end up like Chimpmeister do you? <img src="graemlins/tickled.gif" border="0" alt="[Tickled]" /> <img src="graemlins/makeface.gif" border="0" alt="[Make Face]" />

[quote]Originally posted by toy_brain:
<strong>oooh dear, I expect better than that from you Plisken.
You've been a good Xbox fan in the past, try not to let your side down with any more silly comments like that, you don't want to end up like Chimpmeister do you? <img src="graemlins/tickled.gif" border="0" alt="[Tickled]" /> <img src="graemlins/makeface.gif" border="0" alt="[Make Face]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

Truth hurts, doesn't it? <img src="graemlins/tickled.gif" border="0" alt="[Tickled]" />

On a side note, the new Celda game DOES look MANTASTIC!!! <img src="graemlins/spock.gif" border="0" alt="[Spock]" />

[quote]Originally posted by chimpmeister:
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Those pics are 720x480 and only about 90k each. I'm on dialup too, and they don't cause a problem for me. Maybe you're one of the retarded AOL users who connects at around 24k and is too retarded to know it? Do you even KNOW how to check the actual speed of your connection?

Hey, they're just a few measly Celda screens, if you can't handle them then you shouldn't be on the internet at all. Or maybe you need to upgrade to the newest, LAMEST version of AOL's stupid worthless internet software, 8.0 . . . then you can get your speed up to 30k maybe!! <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[LOL]" />

[ December 16, 2002: Message edited by: chimpmeister ]</strong><hr></blockquote>

Jesus christ, you 40 year old dateless sack of shit. You're the least intelligent beast I've ever fucking come across on the internet. Your ramblings are that of a 15 year old Xbox fanboy who's found some secret port in the Xbox to cram his dick into; your "flames", like your personality, are uninspired and boring.

Graemlins, Zelda pics, and LOL's pretty much account for 90% of the pure garbage you post; why are you even here?

[quote]Originally posted by EvilWasabi:
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John, you are either wasted or fucking retarded. It has nothing to do with the pics.

And Chimp won't be suspended or flogged or anything. He's a moderator, although without the flashy rank that says so like the other mods, and can troll with impunity.</strong><hr></blockquote>


OK OK OK OK I know it wasn't about the pics, but the way the original post was worded it left it open for that kinda of remark, and sarcasm doesn't come off well online, I figured most got it (looked like Alphex did, but I donno). I should have known better to put a graemlin in there, so sorry! :p

But in the other post you made, your logic is flawed. You said that companies that have remained exclusive to one company have had success, but you neglect to realize that they have remained exclusive to Sony, who is by far the market leader. Staying Sony exclusive just means that they do care about saving face in Japan and care more about making the most money w/o taking any risks. Which is perfectly fine, in fact its the smartest thing to do in buisness.

BUT, staying exclusive to a second or third place console is very risky buisness indeed, why else do you think that in order to get real exclusives Microsoft or Nintendo have to make/publish the games themselves? I won't deny to you that the console race (for second place, that is the only race left) is close, but this XMas we are starting to see the XBox finnally pull ahead in terms of global sales. Which means that when it comes time for someone to decide if they want to make games for a system, that's what they look at. And if they're big enough to afford to try and make a XBox or GC game then they'll look at those numbers and make the decision (assuming someone doesn't come to them and buy the production of that game for their own system).

Depending on how the sales go this holiday season, it will determine the pecking order and I gaurantee you will see 3rd party support follow that order (in fact they already are).

Peace

JHendrix

[quote]Originally posted by EvilWasabi:
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Takumaji, when you get into system war mode, you actually are stupid.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Apart from my first post in the second Megaton rumour thread (and apart from posting in these kinds of threads at all), I didn't feel particularly stupid because of what I wrote.

[quote]<strong>A lot of companies have been system loyal without repercussions.

Tecmo - XBox
Square PS2
and to a large degree
Namco - PS2.

Enix and Koei haven't done anything for anyone but Sony too lately. And then there's Rockstar, which I guess is just a second party for Sony,m but obviously sales are not negatively affected by that.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Okay, Square and Namco are two key players with a record of some nice games (Namco more than Square IMO), but I think you can't compare Enix, Koei, Tecmo or Rockstar to Capcom. Most of them have been artificially raised by Sony, unlike Capcom who is a (more or less) independend developer.

Capcom has more experience, specially with arcade games, than any of the companies you mentioned. IMO, they have more to loose than Enix or Rockstar.

[quote]<strong>So basically, if you are in with one system, it only sucks for the people that want to play your games but can bend their silly pride to but that system.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Well... you call it silly pride, I call it idealism! ;)

I know what you want to say... some of my friends think the same way as you, they say that I should finally put my Nintendo hate to a rest and buy the Cube.

It's the same with cars. I neither have a car, nor a driving license for them. I'm 32 now, but I'm the only 32-year-old I know who still refuses to buy a car. I simply don't like them, most of them are ugly as fuck, and they are a pure waste of energy and ressources.

Perhaps I'm a hopeless case (my math teacher said so in the early 80s already)... :rolleyes:

[quote]<strong>If capcom makes a highly anticipated 2D fighter for the gamecube (not CvS 2 because it was already old hat by the time it came on as EO), same week as it's released Ascii will put out a fighting stick, and anyone that owns a DC ascii fighting stick knows that they are joystick gods. Things won't be bad.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Yep, the ASCII pads/sticks are good, no doubt about that. That's why I did not comment on that "OMG, can you imagine a fighter with the GC pad!!!" stuff, putting a GC plug on a ASCII cord shouldn't be difficult.

[quote]<strong>Besides, Capcom would have full sway on their opinions of what to make. You don't hire a master chef and tell them how to cook. If you think Nintendo would attempt such, you _are_ stupid. They obviously didn't tell Treasure how they should make or not make Mischief Makers, Bangaioh, or Sin and Punishment.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Well, I'm not conviced. If big N would choose to swallow Capcom, I would be glad if they could keep on developing like they did before, but I really doubt that. Nintendo is no haven for free speech, but an aggressive competitor in the entertainment field.

Look what Sony did to Square - or what Square turned out to be. When was the last time we saw brilliant games like Tobal 1+2? Long ago. And we won't see games like that ever again, simply because Square's FF formula is lucrative enough and works perfectly for Sony.

<a href="http://cube.ign.com/articles/380/380234p1.html" target="_blank">http://cube.ign.com/articles/380/380234p1.html</a>

Why I don't think Nintendo is going to buy Capcom.

<a href="http://xbox.ign.com/articles/380/380201p1.html" target="_blank">http://xbox.ign.com/articles/380/380201p1.html</a>

Why I don't think that even if they're bought, the two most important games I want from them on XBox will still come out.

Peace

JHendrix

Here it is, flame-free.

Nintendo doesn't NEED to be #1 to survive.

In today's market, you can almost imagine Nintendo being the new SNK. They make a niche system that appeals to a certain audience, except that audience is MUCH larger, and given their infinitely smarter (than SNK) business decisions, they are here to stay.

It's a far cry from the absolute dominance of the Super Famicom era, but true fans of Nintendo won't really give a shit. They make great games, they have SOME solid third party support (including two of my fave companies, Sega and Capcom)...who cares? They aren't going anywhere.
They'll be around. You kids enjoy your flame war.
I'm out......

[quote]Originally posted by Kid Aphex:
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Jesus christ, you 40 year old dateless sack of shit. You're the least intelligent beast I've ever fucking come across on the internet. Your ramblings are that of a 15 year old Xbox fanboy who's found some secret port in the Xbox to cram his dick into; your "flames", like your personality, are uninspired and boring.

Graemlins, Zelda pics, and LOL's pretty much account for 90% of the pure garbage you post; why are you even here?</strong><hr></blockquote>

More retarded flames that as usual don't address the points at hand. If you've got nothing useful to say regarding the issues, why not just give your brain cell a rest? Its burning out as we speak I'm afraid . . . <img src="graemlins/tickled.gif" border="0" alt="[Tickled]" />

P.S. -- I'll keep putting the graemlins in, as they seem to really get a reaction from you. Another sign of your limited intelligence . . . what AOL version are you running again? :rolleyes:

[quote]Originally posted by chimpmeister:
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If you've got nothing useful to say regarding the issues, why not just give your brain cell a rest? Its burning out as we speak I'm afraid . . . <img src="graemlins/tickled.gif" border="0" alt="[Tickled]" />

</strong><hr></blockquote>

go back and read your first post in this thread.

[quote]Originally posted by i shot jr:
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go back and read your first post in this thread.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Maybe you should do the same. My post was RELATED to the issues, all Kid Latex can post is worthless trash. As usual . . . :rolleyes:

Just because people don't like to hear negative stuff about the GC is no cause for them to get all pissy. Its a free world after all . . . :)

[quote]Originally posted by chimpmeister:
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Maybe you should do the same. My post was RELATED to the issues, all Kid Latex can post is worthless trash. As usual . . . :rolleyes:

Just because people don't like to hear negative stuff about the GC is no cause for them to get all pissy. Its a free world after all . . . :) </strong><hr></blockquote>

Related? Yes. Useful? Like buggery it was - just the same old vacuous crap everyone expected to see from you as soon as they saw the topic heading.

It did actually start off a decent discussion about the GCs future and entirely bereft of banal fanboyism. And then you started up on the xbox envagelism. Again.

I will concede one point that chimp did mention: Nintendo acquiring Capcom won't tip the scales, same with MS and RARE.

(As for the "Celda" quip I have this to say: *YAWN* We all know what you think of the game. I really don't see a problem with the graphics myself. It would help your argument even further if you would select pictures from OTHER games you find *kiddy*. At least put a little variety in your argument.)

Anyway...

Since I don't bother looking at sales charts, and I don't have Nintendo's financial documents in hand, I'm not going to speculate what state they are in.

Even if Nintendo would cancel the GC or go bust tomorrow. I'll just buy up all of the remaining titles I wanted for clearance prices and still have a sizable collection to play. Sure it would be nice to have new titles, but there isn't enough hours in the day anymore. (Took me 2 weeks to clock in about 8 hours game time with Metroid Prime.)