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It does, if you live in Columbia, SC. I know many people are often annoyed by homeless people asking for spare change. But to start arresting them is a crime in itself; kicking people who are down on their luck.
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Originally Posted by http://now.msn.com/columbia-south-carolina-makes-homelessness-a-crime-in-the-city-center
Here's the flip side of that. You arrest a homeless person? You're giving them somewhere to sleep.
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Originally Posted by kidpanda
Yeah, and they have to pay for it... many cities fine them, which is rather silly. If they refuse to pay, they lose what little freedom they have and are labeled criminals.Quote:
Originally Posted by kidpanda
The line between homeless shelter and prison has been blurred.Quote:
Originally Posted by kidpanda
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Originally Posted by http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/08/20/2496741/columbia-criminalize-homeless/
Homeless people are usually just mad, it's pretty sad. Sure, they're usually pretty rancid but they're no more of an eyesore than fat women and no one ever talks about rolling them into shelters.
Just a thought, but would they lock up someone who did own a house, but just chose to not wash and to spend his time on the street?
I remember when I walked out of a restaurant to put my coat away in my brothers car....hobo comes up to me and the first thing he says is I don't wanna get your car involved or nuthin, but I need some change to get back to my hometown, my car broke down etc etc. Had to give him 5 bucks to not scratch up my brothers car.
I also have hobos waiting next to my car in grocery store parking lots waiting to shake me down for change.
Its a nice car....but it's pretty old and not that expensive on account of its age. Still they threaten to scratch it or antagonize me for not giving enough.
Fuck those hobolos; they should be begging for a job instead.
Fucking American tipping system again...Quote:
Originally Posted by Spoon
I'm all for the punishment its an eyesore and they won't get back on their feet. Most are addicts or mental patients. Arresting the mentals potentially might get them put where they need to be.
I've almost come to blows with bums on Michigan Ave in downtown Chicago. Every fucking day they are out there with a cup in their hand and some are talking on cell phones. And they get lippy with me for telling 'em to get a fucking job. It's out of control . I was at lunch at a downtown McD's with 3 other co-workers. A bum comes up and asks if he could have any leftovers, first of all I don't ever have left overs, but I looked him dead in the eye and said job applications are at the register. He told me to go to hell. I then fired back some insults of my own.
They are fucking menace and should be shot on sight.
anybody who gets section 8 housing, rent control or EBT should have mandatory roommate match making with the homeless one week a month.
watch how fast people get fucking jobs
My thoughts exactly. A lot of the homeless are out there by choice, not down on their luck. Drug addicts, refuse to work, mental health issues and refuse treatment...Quote:
Originally Posted by kidpanda
The list goes on and on. Getting them off the street is the first step in getting them help whether it's a shelter or county jail. It also reduces crime and violence committed by them or against them.
They better not start doing this in Georgia. Rufus Hannah will have a fit.
How about doing something about the reasons for these people being homeless rather than spending resources trying to make it seem like they're not there?
Cause that's hippie talk.Quote:
Originally Posted by Naiera
Yeah, I'm a fucking communist socialist nazi fascist.
I think I've only ever heard Americans who believe that to be true.Quote:
Originally Posted by loegan43
Ah, I see we have an armchair pundit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Naiera
Maybe you should come to America and see for yourself. Most of these fucks are just lazy, or don't want to be a part of society.
I guess homeless 'murrcans are different from homeless people elsewhere in the world.
There's a direct correlation between increased crime rates and homeless people as a majority of them have mental disabilities. When national and state funded mental institutions declined the inmate and homeless number rose.
There have been studies showing that a high percentage of criminals have mentally ill. Now the question that raises is if there were mental institutions readily available would those prisoners been diagnosed and in hospitals prior to committing their crimes?
I think it would!
Anybody ever try to find a job after being homeless for awhile? It's hard, people treat you like scum and won't even give you a chance. Job applications ask for all sorts of things these days, work history, background, address, phone number --- if one of those presents a problem, you're fucked. A lot of homeless people have criminal records, and even if they want to change and get a decent job, it's hard to get one if they've even made one mistake in their lives. It's hard to get out from the gutter, because most people think you belong there.
I've personally know a few hard working people who just were victims of bad luck, it's still hard to find a job out there, even for University graduates. Most college graduates,who can't find jobs these days, would be homeless if they weren't lucky enough to have the option of moving back in with mum and dad.
Never received a handout in life, I most certainly don't give handouts to anyone. Period!
I've been laid off 3 times in my life, and I quickly applied for new employment. You either adapt and overcome the hurdles in life, or you beg for handouts from others. Nothing in life is FREE! There are many choices in life, and everyone makes their own choices.
And once they notice that putting them in prison is a much too expensive solution:
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Originally Posted by supergoose79
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I know I'm relatively worse off than a lot of people, but you don't see me standing in front of the Royal York flagging down ferraris and begging the drivers for gas money.
And you know what else? Those african bathroom attendants can go fuck themselves as well.
Turning on a faucet isn't worth 2 bucks, dude.
Well see, therein lies the problem, these people have fucked up in the past and it's coming back to haunt them. I'm not trying to sound like an asshole, but how hard is it to exercise proper judgement and to stay out of trouble? I'm 32 and the worst trouble I've been in with the law is a fix-it ticket for a busted tail light. Self-inflicted problems.Quote:
Originally Posted by 2D_Master
I can tell you right now, Americans have a bad attitude. It's a sickness rotting our country from the inside.Quote:
Originally Posted by Naiera
P.S.- I didn't know you spoke on behalf of the whole world.
All fair points, but being laid off from work isn't exactly comparable with, for instance, schizophrenia.Quote:
Originally Posted by GT40PWR
Looking out for the disabled is what separates us from other animals. And China.
And this is due in a large part, that our society as a whole caters to the lazy. One only needs to read the following article to get an eye opening of just how lazy Americans have become, or better yet, been allowed to become.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sex Lord Ki_atsushi
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013...imum-wage-job/
It's absolutely sickening to the read that article. While people struggle to make ends meet, the lazy ass fucktards of American society get tax free handouts at the expense of the hard working tax payers.
And because our society and Government caters to this crap, there is no motivation to get better jobs or do anything for themselves. And why should they?
Instead, the (US Government) is too fucking busy paying attention to everyone else problem around the world. This shit makes my blood boil!!
I wonder how much a persons socioeconomic status affects their perspective of the homeless?
It works both ways though, if you earn over $400k a year you have to give the taxman 40% of it to cover off the lower, subsidised tax rates of the lower and middle income earners.Quote:
Originally Posted by GT40PWR
Never hear of anyone complaining about the unfairness of that.
Who would be in favour of making it an entirely fair and equal flat tax rate of, say 30% on everything earned? No one who earns less than $200k, that's for sure, they love their handouts from the rich too much.
I think that people who have had a taste of hard times in their lives are a little more aware of the fact that people don't begin the race at the same starting point. Mental disorders, being born into poverty, having abusive parents, being molested, having physical disabilities, being brought up by drug addicts all have life long effects. Some have the strength to overcome growing up in the ghetto/barrio/trailer park , the weak ones ; nobody gives a care about them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neo Ash
I've got vagrants living in the abandoned place just past my backyard. Kind of unsettling, but I'm not going to call the cops or anything. They don't usually make it up this far as the big homeless community is about half a mile away.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ev1MFv4j-Q4
Most homeless people can get hooked up with a number and an address to put on job applications. They just have to check on them.Quote:
Originally Posted by 2D_Master
Guess what genius, you can't get welfare unless you get a minimum wage job. And in my experience, getting welfare is more work than getting a job.Quote:
Originally Posted by GT40PWR
... this is gonna get ugly...
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As someone who actually knows some homeless people, and has deeply explored the subject for many years- most people have no idea what being homeless is like, or why people are homeless.
People who think the homeless are just lazy are assholes.
Yes, many homeless people are addicts and/or suffer from mental disorders.
There are good, kind homeless people out there.
The difference between life on the streets and jail, which I am familiar with- is pretty huge.
Jail sucks, the guards and cops suck.
The police have more than 'a few bad apples' and indeed the job of police officer attracts sociopaths and psychotics.
The police murder black people all the time and get away with it.
This is real, and I know it for a fact.
No one wants to deal with this because the police are supposed to be heroes or at least a little like fire fighters.
There are cops out there that are so fucking evil and criminal it's very much the stuff of the movies.
The cops will profile and target homeless black men if they have been convicted of any sort of 'violent' charge.
They confront these profiled black homeless men with their guns drawn, just out of their cars.
Murders happen.
It is completely fucked up bullshit.
Take it these lawmakers haven't seen Rambo first blood
Most homeless people suffer from severe mental disorders. Mostly schizophrenia.
And yeah, most schizophrenias turn to major drug and alcoholism.
From a purely economic viewpoint, it's cheaper to get them mental help than to pay cops to arrest them, then the cost of housing them in jail.
I'm sure you're quite the mental health expert. Go play Killer Instinct.Quote:
Originally Posted by mr_b
Totally agree. Most of the homeless I've encountered have mental health disorders. The hard part is getting them mental health services outside of jail. Most of them receive mental health care while in jail and while on their medications, they become lucid and clear thinking. Only problem is, once released from custody, they go back to old habits, quit taking their medications and the cycle begins anew for them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Abasuto
A lot of the homeless I've spoken too, prefer to live the lifestyle they are in. Many receive government assistance (Social Security payments for their disability and free housing in group homes) but prefer the freedom of life on the streets.
Neobuyer is right, there are many good kind homeless people out there, but those aren't the ones the laws are designed to impact.
It's the homeless people who show no regard for others, act out violently and commit crimes that are the focus of these laws. Recently there was a news story where a woman was stabbed by a homeless guy for taking his picture (In Hollywood, where a lot of homeless hang out and where a lot of tourists visit). The laws are designed so the police have some way of removing the violent and unstable homeless before these types of crimes/events happen.
Combating homelessness is not just a societal issue, but also an issue of safety. I used to work in an area where there were a lot of homeless, some were harmless, some were downright scary. There's no easy solution to the problem, but if you ever have a homeless guy hanging around in the alley/street where your kids play, you'll be thankful the cops have some recourse to remove him.
I know there is a lot of cop hate around here, maybe some of you guys have had negative experiences, but remember, just as not all homeless are angry, homicidal maniacs, neither are all cops.
You seem to grossly over estimate the amount of individuals that would qualify for inpatient treatment.Quote:
Originally Posted by mr_b
A good number of them are veterans who couldn't readapt to civilian life. They have homes but they're not wanted there.
Just like you, I'm not the most sympathetic person when it comes to homeless people. But, at the same time, you cannot say that EVERY homeless person is a lazy sack of shit that doesn't want to get a job. Sickness and depression are UGLY things that not everyone has to put up with.Quote:
Originally Posted by GT40PWR
Oh yeah, and that link? It's fox news. Pseudoscience at best. Please try to find better sources =D
There are two kinds of homeless individuals (note, I'm not talking about families):
1. Homeless people that are {mostly} homeless year round.
2. Homeless people that decide to not pay rent in the warmer months.
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Originally Posted by BryLmoo
One would only need to do a Google search on the topic to find their favorite "political views" news source.
Bottom line, the reports read the same.
Minimum Wage is a joke.
It has long past gone below living wage.
Maybe...Maybe Not.Quote:
Originally Posted by OrochiEddie
But if you get them outta society and most likely not procreating this could have a tremendous impact on the number of people in jail who aren't mental and stand a chance at being rehabilitated in future generations.
No, you are.Quote:
Originally Posted by mr_b
Can we change mr_b's custom title to "eugenics supporter"?
I'm down with that.Quote:
Originally Posted by OrochiEddie
A few more things from the my hyper-octopus-kraken pain-in-the-ass of a brain:
On the flip side of Los Angeles' skid row, there are people who really like being pretty much homeless- and view it as outdoor living like camping. Interestingly enough, contrary to popular thought, I've met at least one of this type of person- this guy is a 24/7 street entrepreneur. Not to mention one of the best story tellers I've ever heard, he's awesome. As far as I know, this man does not panhandle at all. He collects recyclables, then uses that money to buy cheap beer at liquor stores which he sells on the street late at night. He said he prefers sleeping in a tent with his cooler on all but the coldest nights. He gets laid a lot, and yeah, most of the women are homeless addicts and prostitutes. He didn't really seem like an alcoholic to me either, as he sells most of the beer he buys. He's a nice guy and people like him, he said he doesn't sell street drugs, just beer.
And about mental illness/Schizophrenia: This shit is fucked up and mostly genetic (i.e.: from birth) and it's not their fault. People like this are often screwed by life like people with developmental disabilities, but they are often intelligent. Imagine trying to live your life and hearing voices constantly telling you what to do, filling you with paranoia. In the 80s, Reaganomics did a fucked up thing in cutting funding for mental health care for people like this. They need serious HELP and not punishment, jail and/or discrimination. Since I know there are people on this site that have OCD, ADHD, Asperger's, etc.- we should all be understanding that people get genetically fucked by the dice-roll of life. Anyone remember Clint Gorman, aka Jigen? He got fucked by cystic fibrosis and died a young death in his 20s for it. No one thought he should have been put in jail or treated like shit because his lungs were constantly filling up with mucous and eating away his life.
R.I.P. Clint.
Another thing is that you shouldn't attack people who don't understand these realities- you can't educate and put down at the same time. People who need serious help among us deserve to get it, and yes- we taxpayers should pay for it. Everyone can't be a determined island of self-sufficient iron will. Yes people will take advantage of the system, but we aren't talking about poverty here, we are talking about serious, genetically inherited mental illness. People who are just poor and uneducated are a different topic, and it's more complicated.
Most of the homeless in downtown Los Angeles are people battling with mental illness. There are a lot of schizophrenics out on the street that return to the same locations out of habit. There's one that has been arrested half a dozen times already over the past year, and I'm sure we'll see him back in his favorite stoop as soon as he is released. I don't think of homeless as criminals. Most seem to be benign, but in the wee hours when they're searching for a fix to calm their head, the screaming and fighting that you'll hear from the street is a bit... off-putting. I have a double-whammy. I live on the same block as a grocery store, and the homeless sit outside in droves, looking for handouts and change. I feel for some. I've bought food for a couple. I don't give money, usually because I don't have any to give... but honestly I could care less what they do with the cash they panhandle. If they buy drugs with it to ease their mind or push the mental illness down for a few hours, who am I to say they shouldn't have that tiny reprieve from pain. For the most part, they're wretched, broken, and can be a nuisance, but none I've witnessed seemed to have any criminal intent.
being poor sucks.