Should the US get involved?
I'd love to hear some of your opinions.
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Should the US get involved?
I'd love to hear some of your opinions.
Do they have oil for you to steal?Quote:
Originally Posted by 68k
What's in Syria worth fighting for?Quote:
Originally Posted by 68k
...Freedom? Democracy? The only reasons no ones in already is because they have no oil... but are strategically important in the local area... so it's a dilemna...
...also... the US and UK are committed to other conflicts all over the world...
meh... if you thought the defecit of both countries is bad now... try funding another POS war in a country that i couldn't give two shits about...
xROTx
If things go on like that, an US involvement will only be a matter of time.
WMD, babies getting thrown out of incubators and good ol' poison gas... rings a bell, eh.
I hope soQuote:
Originally Posted by Doctor Shroom
Send me in for some of that Syrian Militia bull-dike action!
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The US?
no
The UN?
yes
The US is not the world's police force. The whole world doesnt need to wait for the US to do something. Why doesnt China do something, or France, or Israel...
We seem to always act like it, though.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeoSneth
NO...Quote:
Originally Posted by 68k
Bottom line, hell NO!!
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Originally Posted by NeoSneth
Yes we do, and we need to stop and keep to our own business.Quote:
Originally Posted by goombakid
The US is already involved and has been for some time.
The US defence budget is pretty much the same as the rest of the world combined. I read that the US military spends more on air conditioning than Britain spends on defence, in total.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeoSneth
So that's why people look to the US for indications of what to do. It's fair enough in theory to say that the US should take care of their own business but they have moved themselves into a position of overbearing power on purpose, over a number of decades, because it's what they wanted. For the US to back away from the obligations they have made for themselves now would be irresponsible.
So to my mind they should be making some moves in Syria, with the rest of the world showing their support through the UN.
Don't really know if we should get involved but nerve gas and killing children is some fucked up shit. depending on what the UN inspectors find I will have to hold judgment on this one. I know that it would not be boots on the ground but a lot of sea and air bombardment.
Yes, historically the US drives intervention.
I would hope that the US government would have learned from the past, and let the rest of the world step up.
I don't understand why it's taken this long? What country calls itself an ally to Syria?
Why does poison gas necessitate intervention but the mass killing by conventional arms does not?
It appears that some kinds of murder are more tolerable than others. The US is morally bankrupt.
Intervention by the US and her allies is only a matter of time.
Russia. That's why it's taken this long.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeoSneth
Police force lmao...Quote:
Originally Posted by NeoSneth
dimwitted, violent, self righteous enforcers who trample and rob the poor to make the rich richer?
That's EXACTLY what the US is (both home and abroad).
Yes, the US should get involved. Syria's Assad gov't is using chemical weapons on its own people - not only to stop that internal abuse, but also to prevent Syria from pointing those weapons on its neighbors and nearby communities. The question is how does the US do this while keeping the death toll at a minimum.
The best solution I can think of right now is to maintain diplomatic confrontation. Attacking Syria right now is attacking Syria's supporters, which include Russia, most prominently. Russia is probably only supporting Assad so long as Assad keeps signing checks over to them, but Russia also has an interest in maintaining the balance of power in the Middle East. If the US attacks Syria, Russia could enter on the side of Syria, or be dragged into it by supplying Assad during the conflict, or by attacking US forces on the periphery. If Russia is brought in, a domino effect would follow. This isn't a winning situation because other countries would be dragged into the conflict - over Syria.
On the flip side, the US could try to strengthen sanctions against Syria, which may benefit Russia in collecting more massive checks, but when the money dries up, Russia might just say fuck it and let the country drop off.
One thing that should happen is that the US prosecutes anyone connected to the sale of chemical weapons to Iraq back in the '80s. Then the US can call for equal prosecution against Putin and the entire Russian administration. Think the people in Russia wouldn't like that after the outcry they had from Putin's sham re-election? It would be a white revolution. All the US would have to do is sacrifice some shriveled white republicans who sold chemical weapons to Saddam Hussein.
..and in what can only be described as a strange case of coincidence, this article comes out:
CIA Files Prove America Helped Saddam as He Gassed Iran
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/article...he_gassed_iran
They've got links to the documents and it's pretty messed up. I suppose having a strong stance against Syria right now could help people forget about trifling little details from the past like this.
I have to disagree. The people of the USA are by a large margin neither rich nor evil. Lots of my family have fought in wars to preserve our freedom especially WW2. I'm proud to be an American for the ideals our country stands for. Freedom and liberty and the right to life. Maybe our government is corrupt in a lot of ways but that is not the majority of our citizens. I'm not rich or looking to screw anyone over I just want the right to a decent life by my own hands and the freedom for others to do the same. Forget nationality's you should want for no one to suffer cruelty and death and for sure not by the hands of their own government. Don't judge an entire country of people by the actions of their leaders but it's people.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spoon
Government of the people, by the people, for the people.Quote:
Originally Posted by GutsDozer
We have what we've earned. We deserve every bit of criticism for the politico-tainment farce that we call our federal government. There is no turning this boat around now, we're going full steam with the rudder stuck. There is an iceberg out there somewhere, so maybe the faster we ram it and sink this ship, the quicker we can get around to rebuilding.
I say we go to Syria, I want drone strikes every 5 minutes, 10,000 troops on the ground, not only sanctions and a trade embargo but an active blockade, hell let's just use chemical weapons on them.
Do we have data that shows an accurate count of the types and amount of nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons that the United States has in reserve?
Bring in the UN.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lagduf
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Originally Posted by Lagduf
Here comes another war.
No, there's absolutely no way the US government should wage yet another aggressive war of imperialism thinly veiled as a humanitarian effort. I can't believe people still think interventionism is a sound philosophy.
While I don't agree with your opinion sir I will fight to the death for your right to say it. Of course we deserve criticism but so does every government around the world, there is no perfect one. I'm an American and choose to support my people. Do I think we've done some stupid shit of course we've done some blatantly stupid shit but we have also done some amazing life changing things to make the the world a better place not just ourselves. I'm not saying our elected officials or our government does the right thing all the time nor all of us individually. My point is I love America and our ideals. The kind my grandfathers fought for. the kinda shit that needs to be reinstalled in the future generations of our country. It seems we forgot a lot of those values but people like me are still grateful for the people who lived and died for that ideal. The beautiful thing is we all get to have our own opinions and express them which is one of the things I love about NG.com, no body has any problems stating their opinions, bluntly. It's something I hope we never lose that. If we feel there is something morally wrong with our Government's actions it's our duty to let our elected officials know. Otherwise we are all just spectators.Quote:
Originally Posted by lithy
Because the other countries aren't stupid enough to spend their money on something with no returns.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeoSneth
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Originally Posted by GutsDozer
I hope we get involved and lose massively after Russia sides with Assad. This will lead to World War III and eventually America being invaded by Russia at which time John Rambo comes out of retirement to clean up one more time.
The Syria Civil War cannot be ended by external forces; the solution has to come from within Syria with direct support of Arab countries. The west can provide technical support to free Syria forces and make sure those who get the training are not connected to extreme forces. Otherwise if USA get involved directly the Assad regime will use they present as propaganda to picture the war as west against Islamic country.
And if anyone actually stopped to notice, not even other Arab countries are willing to help or take part in any "serious" intervention. Why?Quote:
Originally Posted by ViolentStorm
Because they know better!!
They're waiting for the dumb-dumbs of the US Government to come in and be the hero's of the world, or the waste-of-space phony UN to step in. Why should any of the Arab countries waste their precious oil money and the blood of their people, when the have the world police to do it for them.
Merikah!! Fuck Yeah!! Here to save the mutha-fuckin day YEAH!!
I would suggest that it has more to do with not trying to back a popular uprising against an autocratic regime. They certainly don't want the "Arab Spring" to flood into their backyard.Quote:
Originally Posted by GT40PWR
Pretty much sums it up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Takumaji
Involvement will happen if there isn't an extremely strong pushback though. I read that there is something like 9% support for intervention in Syria right now — there are marketing firms whose job is to dial that up to 49% supports, so that media and talking heads can then trumpet "opinions are divided."
There are some arms manufacturers, and those whose livelihoods depend upon employment at arms manufacturers, that will also go along.
Or the fact that 3 yeas prior, we arranged shipments of arms to Iran (through Israel) in exchange for prisoner releases by Hezbollah and money for Death Squads in Central America.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kazuki Dash
Or that 3 years later, we were swapping Intel with Iran.
Russia has warned against any action against Syria and the President has cancelled a meeting with Putin about the Syrian civil war. That.....is not good.
^This.Quote:
Originally Posted by SNKorSWM
Just hate it that the US is such a War/Power hungry country and so damn spendthrift and what do we get? Oil? Respect?
The US is just acting like the little kid down the street that just wants to get involved in everything everyone else does and forces everyone to do it their way or they're gonna send in their parents until they get their way.
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Originally Posted by bokunya~
Yeap the U.S public doesn't want any of this shit but as usual the government doesn't give a fuck about public opinion.
So Syria is the new Afghanistan that was the new Vietnam..... and this goes on forever.
Welcome to US History, 1896-present.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fandangos
Iran is the real target... Just wait, soon as the US find their excuses and successfully remove the Syrian government, they'll start the propaganda campaign for an attack on Iran.
What do you think the US Government will blow this time?Quote:
Originally Posted by mr aize
Since World Trade Center is gone, I believe the Empire State is a good place for placing explosives and gathering the public attention.
Already happening dawg.Quote:
Originally Posted by mr aize
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Originally Posted by mr aize
Damn skippy!Quote:
Originally Posted by Fuzzytaco
Who's to say that the US hasn't had a hand in the Syrian Civil War to begin with, only to give them a legitimate excuse to intervene and then be on the war path to Iran?
whatever president Obama is playing at, it better not involve turning our back further at Israel.
Personally, I say fuck the entire Arab world and stop paying so much attention to it. That was what the 9-11 terrorists wanted after all.
If people glory in backwards looking extremism they should be treated like the idiot children they are and seated at the kid's table until they shut the fuck up and stop throwing rocks to get the adult's attention. Islam is not a religion of peace, unless you count the peace that would exist after they finished conquering the world for god.
The pure, ugly-sounding bottom line is that Arab culture is backwards and inferior compared to that of the modern west. Sorry, I know it sounds cruel, partial, what have you- but it's the way it is and has been for a long time.
I have said for more than 10 years that the Arab world should have been vetted with big shows of respect like you would show a wounded teenage dork with a massive inferiority complex. But since things are turning to shit, just ignore them. The actual threat of serious damage to the USA is minimal and has been since 9-11.
Lets get bokemeow in here so I can prep him for surgery, stat.
I'd rather we not be the first ones involved. Let the UN do something. It would be nice if the international community couldn't blame us for everything for once.
The UN is joke and a waste of space. The US needs to mind their own and stay the fuck away. Matter of fact, move out of the Middle East all together. Let the Russians (since they're against US involvement anyway), Arabs and Israel deal with Syria. It's not our fight, and never was, no matter what the US past spells out. Period!Quote:
Originally Posted by cannonball
If the UN were Jackass, the US would be steve-o
I say we turn our back on every country out there, INCLUDING Israel. Let them fight their own battles.
I kind of feel a bit like this. The whole Syria mess is kind of a build up.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4f2m...layer_embedded
You're preaching to the choir. Won't happen though. The US government will involve itself somehow. Then Europeans will act like Americans have some say in what our government does as they rip into us as a people. Business as usual.Quote:
Originally Posted by GT40PWR