Death of the D-pad

I was at a party over the weekend and my friends 8 year old son was bored. He didn't want to play board games or play outside. So, I offered to let him play my PSP.

When I handed him the system, he looked at me and asked, in a nervous voice, "so...how do I operate this thing." I then gave both the kid and his mother a puzzled look. I asked if he had ever played a video game before. My friend kept silent and the mother responded, "Ohhhh of course we have an ipad and iphone that he plays all the time."

Realizing the kid had never played a game with a physical controller; I looked at my friend with disgust.

I then loaded up the PSP and had the kid play Sonic 2 on a SEGA emulator. The kid had never played Sonic or Mario. In his mind they where just cartoon characters. In fact, he had never played a 2D side-scrolling platformer.

The whole experience made me wonder. Are there more kids like this? Just imagine growing up and just playing games on touch screens.

so he had no wii?

Nope, they didn't have a Wii

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Originally Posted by cdamm

so he had no wii?

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My kids will start with Atari and work their way up to the pinnacle of all existence, the SEGA Saturn.

Well, welcome to the video gaming of today. People don't realize how much gaming has gotten away from the core gamer. Look at consoles now, they cater to the hardcore older gamer who play mostly FPS and over the top action titles. Don't get me wrong I'm not knocking this stuff in any way but we have all grown up and those 2D platformers and vertical shooties are a thing of the past.

Look around at the companies you grew up with, no longer do they make core games such as Strider, Gunstar Heroes, and Super Castlevania IV. Teams of hundreds of individuals without even working in the same room, or hell the same city are pumping out projects that rival blockbuster movies in budgets and advertising.

One of the reasons I'm supporting Sony in the next gen race coming up is plain and simple, I care about the indie games that are coming out, the games made with love and care of really small teams working together with like minded ideas. There will never be games like Metal Slug or DoDonPachi ever again simply cause it's not about making a game that make people reminisce anymore, it's about the almighty dollar.

I'm no longer surprised a kid nowadays have never touched a controller, or heard of a Sega Genesis. I just retreat back into my cave and revel in what used to be my childhood and do the best I can with what I have. Maybe one day a little known dev will put together a little 2D powerhouse system and have games made for that, sounds more like a pipe dream at best though......

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Originally Posted by DonMontG

Realizing the kid had never played a game with a physical controller; I looked at my friend with disgust.

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Should have followed up that look with one of these.

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Originally Posted by Famicommander

My kids will start with Atari and work their way up to the pinnacle of all existence, the SEGA Saturn.

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Kudos. I fully believe if kids are exposed to these things from their humble beginnings, they can learn to gain enjoyment from a wide variety of games and avoid being lured simply by superficial things like flashy graphics alone.

My 6 year old has been playing with the SNES since he was 3, when he plays neo geo he won't play unless he gets the arcade stick..

About 6 weeks ago I had a party for him and his school friends. When they got to his room he showed them super mario world. They wanted to play so I hooked it up and took the controllers out and one kid asked me "how do you take the charger cable off"!!! :hammer::hammer:

But I guess it just really depends on the parents. To some retro consoles are just junk so some kids are not exposed to them.

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Originally Posted by kidpanda

I care about the indie games that are coming out, the games made with love and care of really small teams working together with like minded ideas.

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Just other side of the same coin. As far as I'm concerned these "indie" games are just as inauthentic and alien as the big budget Hollywood titles are. You're right the Dodopnachi's and Metal Slugs are things we'll never see again. And countless 2D titles will surely come out on these future platforms. But it's pretty fucking clear that those "indie" devs" just don't get it.


EDIT: OP are you seriously surprised by this?

Scoops knows how to wax nostalgic, this shit is gold.

Edit - Not surprised one bit that there are kids that have never held a controller.

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Originally Posted by kidpanda

Well, welcome to the video gaming of today. People don't realize how much gaming has gotten away from the core gamer. Look at consoles now, they cater to the hardcore older gamer who play mostly FPS and over the top action titles. Don't get me wrong I'm not knocking this stuff in any way but we have all grown up and those 2D platformers and vertical shooties are a thing of the past.

Look around at the companies you grew up with, no longer do they make core games such as Strider, Gunstar Heroes, and Super Castlevania IV. Teams of hundreds of individuals without even working in the same room, or hell the same city are pumping out projects that rival blockbuster movies in budgets and advertising.

One of the reasons I'm supporting Sony in the next gen race coming up is plain and simple, I care about the indie games that are coming out, the games made with love and care of really small teams working together with like minded ideas. There will never be games like Metal Slug or DoDonPachi ever again simply cause it's not about making a game that make people reminisce anymore, it's about the almighty dollar.

I'm no longer surprised a kid nowadays have never touched a controller, or heard of a Sega Genesis. I just retreat back into my cave and revel in what used to be my childhood and do the best I can with what I have. Maybe one day a little known dev will put together a little 2D powerhouse system and have games made for that, sounds more like a pipe dream at best though......

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This thread makes me feel old.

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Originally Posted by andsuchisdeath

Just other side of the same coin. As far as I'm concerned these "indie" games are just as inauthentic and alien as the big budget Hollywood titles are. You're right the Dodopnachi's and Metal Slugs are things we'll never see again. And countless 2D titles will surely come out on these future platforms. But it's pretty fucking clear that those "indie" devs" just don't get it.


EDIT: OP are you seriously surprised by this?

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I should have been more specific, the "new" indie guys don't get it, you're right, but I've seen some stuff for long time game industry veterans that I'm looking forward too mostly. Stuff like Braid and Fez didn't grab me like I thought they would. Here's to hoping ;)

Just think about all the stuff that most people under 20 and certainly those under 10 have no concept of.....

- Blowing in NES carts to make them work.
- The blinking red light on a NES telling you to blow into the cart.
- Inserting a cart.
- Waiting on slow ass single speed CD drives.
- Writing down code so you can pick up where you left off.
- Using a telephone line and a modem to dial up for multiplayer games.
- Booting a PC with a floppy that loads less shit into memory so you'll have enough system resources to get the damn game to load.
- Real arcade style sticks as the norm.

The list goes on...and on....

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Originally Posted by kidpanda

I should have been more specific, the "new" indie guys don't get it, you're right, but I've seen some stuff for long time game industry veterans that I'm looking forward too mostly. Stuff like Braid and Fez didn't grab me like I thought they would. Here's to hoping ;)

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I had a completely unreasonable amount of fun playing VVVVVV, and I highly recommend it to any old school 2D platforming game fan. Super Meat Boy is likewise outstanding, but is more about reflexes and timing whereas VVVVVV is more of a brain bender.

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Originally Posted by Neo Ash

Just think about all the stuff that most people under 20 and certainly those under 10 have no concept of.....

- Blowing in NES carts to make them work.
- The blinking red light on a NES telling you to blow into the cart.
- Inserting a cart.
- Waiting on slow ass single speed CD drives.
- Writing down code so you can pick up where you left off.
- Using a telephone line and a modem to dial up for multiplayer games.
- Booting a PC with a floppy that loads less shit into memory so you'll have enough system resources to get the damn game to load.
- Real arcade style sticks as the norm.

The list goes on...and on....

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my favorite was putting a cd into a separate cd cartridge then putting the cd cart into this autoloading door on my first cd-rom.

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my favorite was putting a cd into a separate cd cartridge then putting the cd cart into this autoloading door on my first cd-rom.

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I want a caddy CD-Rom that still works.

There are plenty of little dipshits who play using a controller. You just need to play some CoD or Halo on the 360.

get your kids a laptop and a wow account, recipe for success

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Originally Posted by cdamm

my favorite was putting a cd into a separate cd cartridge then putting the cd cart into this autoloading door on my first cd-rom.

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CD Caddy? I was amazed by it, neighbors had one.

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thats the one.

Have you guys ever seen an RCA CED Selectavision? Absolutely blew my mind:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacit...lectronic_Disc
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi.../Ced_cart2.jpg

Movies on vinyl, with weird caddy things that are ejected from the player when you put the movie in.

Some guy on Craigslist had an ad where he was selling a bunch of movies and the ad described them as Laserdiscs. There was no picture but I answered the ad and met the guy. He hands me a CED of Rocky III, and I'm like, what? This is not going to play in my LD player.

I remember hearing from one person on a podcast where they said that they slowly got their son into video games by going up the bit progression tree. From NES on.

That sort of thing sounded amazing as it meant that they could understand the legacy of video games without a bias. Games would just get better for the kid over time without a need for console wars, release date fervor, or difficulty barriers discouraging one generation over the other.

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I remember hearing from one person on a podcast where they said that they slowly got their son into video games by going up the bit progression tree. From NES on.

That sort of thing sounded amazing as it meant that they could understand the legacy of video games without a bias. Games would just get better for the kid over time without a need for console wars, release date fervor, or difficulty barriers discouraging one generation over the other.

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You gotta catch them young, once they get that outside influence they're going to want the new toy. Doesn't mean you have to buy it for them, or you can't force them to play old shit, but chances are they'll be at the neighbor's house playing on the new stuff.

it's always been about the money

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMy1zO8m8sM

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Originally Posted by Neo Ash

Just think about all the stuff that most people under 20 and certainly those under 10 have no concept of.....

- Blowing in NES carts to make them work.
- The blinking red light on a NES telling you to blow into the cart.
- Inserting a cart.
- Waiting on slow ass single speed CD drives.
- Writing down code so you can pick up where you left off.
- Using a telephone line and a modem to dial up for multiplayer games.
- Booting a PC with a floppy that loads less shit into memory so you'll have enough system resources to get the damn game to load.
- Real arcade style sticks as the norm.

The list goes on...and on....

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These days, when a game stops working on your 360, you need to send it back to M$ for repairs. Wonder how long of a wait that takes compared to a single speed CD drive. XD

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Originally Posted by LoneSage

it's always been about the money

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This.

The games we all love are no different to the ones released now in terms of there goal which was always to make money.

The biggest difference from back then to now is it was smaller teams working on them so you used to get almost a feel for the personalities making the games. Now it's a 300 man team working on the next block buster so you lose that.

In 20 years the kids of today will be on wii-console.com talking about how the Zigurat consoles out now are all shit and the youth of today don't know their alive etc etc. There will even be bootleg Wii games sold for the price of a house deposit. probably.

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This thread makes me feel old.

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+1

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They wanted to play so I hooked it up and took the controllers out and one kid asked me "how do you take the charger cable off"!!!

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That's hilarious.................:D

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Originally Posted by Famicommander

My kids will start with Atari and work their way up to the pinnacle of all existence, the SEGA Saturn.

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God I hope not. Well, at the least, they'll understand the concept of "SUPER FUCKING OVERRATED SHIT SYSTEM"

That sucks man. Touch screens are about the worst thing you could possibly use to play a video game. Motion controllers are a close second.

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Well, at the least, they'll understand the concept of "SUPER FUCKING OVERRATED SHIT SYSTEM"

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You mean N64?

who the fuck overrates the n64 you gimp

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who the fuck overrates the n64 you gimp

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overprice /=/ overrate

that console did have some great games tho

SOME

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overprice /=/ overrate

that console did have some great games tho

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Are you kidding me have you been anywhere else online in the last 2 years, you can't go a day without someone gushing over a fucking N64.

mario party was boss back in middle school, not gonna lie

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mario party was boss back in middle school, not gonna lie

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I'm not saying the system was shit, it had at least 4 great games. Would be a great system to break in the younger kids.

It's funny how the N64 is ok with me because of Golden Eye, Mario, and Zelda

The only reason the Saturn didn't age well is because of MAME. Once you were able to get most of those arcade ports emulated on a PC, the Saturn suddenly became about the First party games ... and they were ports too (referring to daytona and VF). Also, Nights is more overrated than Conkers. Have no idea why people like a game of doing loopty loops endlessly.

fuck the saturn

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Are you kidding me have you been anywhere else online in the last 2 years, you can't go a day without someone gushing over a fucking N64.

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I'm still confused by all the hate the N64 has ever gotten. I probably spent more hours on the N64 with my friends than any other consoles combined. I guess it just hit at the right time in my teenage years. Plus we weren't a bunch of fucking video game snobs either. That probably helped.

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Plus we weren't a bunch of fucking video game snobs either. That probably helped.

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Oh yeah. That's what I like.

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I'm still confused by all the hate the N64 has ever gotten. I probably spent more hours on the N64 with my friends than any other consoles combined. I guess it just hit at the right time in my teenage years. Plus we weren't a bunch of fucking video game snobs either. That probably helped.

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word.

Lost years and years playing GoldenEye.

wrestlemania 2000

h8rz

A friend of mine was having a birthday party for his 5 year old son. Some months back I'd brought over my Atari 2600, and they got hooked on Kaboom. I brought the 2600 again to this party, and it was such a wacky sight seeing kids of 2013 screaming with excitement about beating each other's scores and surviving as the game speed increases. Pretty awesome.

None of them had ever seen that paddle controller before, but they still had a blast.

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Originally Posted by das roker

It's funny how the N64 is ok with me because of Golden Eye, Mario, and Zelda

The only reason the Saturn didn't age well is because of MAME. Once you were able to get most of those arcade ports emulated on a PC, the Saturn suddenly became about the First party games ... and they were ports too (referring to daytona and VF). Also, Nights is more overrated than Conkers. Have no idea why people like a game of doing loopty loops endlessly.

fuck the saturn

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This guy gets it.

Unless you want to spend $200+ dollars to play a half-way decent game the Saturn is a heaping pile of who fucking cares.

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A friend of mine was having a birthday party for his 5 year old son. Some months back I'd brought over my Atari 2600, and they got hooked on Kaboom. I brought the 2600 again to this party, and it was such a wacky sight seeing kids of 2013 screaming with excitement about beating each other's scores and surviving as the game speed increases. Pretty awesome.

None of them had ever seen that paddle controller before, but they still had a blast.

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Kaboom is one of the top 5 2600 games ever made.

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Originally Posted by das roker

The only reason the Saturn didn't age well is because of MAME. Once you were able to get most of those arcade ports emulated on a PC, the Saturn suddenly became about the First party games ... and they were ports too (referring to daytona and VF).

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There is no doubt about this. Still, the N64 library is a joke compared to the Saturn's. I'm sorry. Ports or not. I know those first party Nintendo games can tug at those hearts strings pretty tight for a lot of people, but if I'm going to get hard-gay over Nintendo (which I know how to do), it's not going to be with the N64 carnations of their key franchises..

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Originally Posted by das roker

It's funny how the N64 is ok with me because of Golden Eye, Mario, and Zelda

The only reason the Saturn didn't age well is because of MAME. Once you were able to get most of those arcade ports emulated on a PC, the Saturn suddenly became about the First party games ... and they were ports too (referring to daytona and VF). Also, Nights is more overrated than Conkers. Have no idea why people like a game of doing loopty loops endlessly.

fuck the saturn

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I...I love you

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Originally Posted by ViceMikey

CD Caddy? I was amazed by it, neighbors had one.

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I was just talking to a co-worker about how if you punch a hole on the backside of a floppy you could trick the drive to write on both sides. Then we joked about how companies discouraged the practice while they where selling there own double sided floppies. He then told me how at one point he had 5 floppy drives on his machine instead of a hard drive because it was cheaper.

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Originally Posted by Famicommander

Have you guys ever seen an RCA CED Selectavision? Absolutely blew my mind:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacit...lectronic_Disc
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi.../Ced_cart2.jpg

Movies on vinyl, with weird caddy things that are ejected from the player when you put the movie in.

Some guy on Craigslist had an ad where he was selling a bunch of movies and the ad described them as Laserdiscs. There was no picture but I answered the ad and met the guy. He hands me a CED of Rocky III, and I'm like, what? This is not going to play in my LD player.

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LOL...I've thought about picking up a CED player just for the heck of it.

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Originally Posted by DonMontG

I was just talking to a co-worker about how if you punch a hole on the backside of a floppy you could trick the drive to write on both sides. Then we joked about how companies discouraged the practice while they where selling there own double sided floppies. He then told me how at one point he had 5 floppy drives on his machine instead of a hard drive because it was cheaper.

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I remember back in the day being excited when I added a second floppy drive to my PC. Yes! I can copy a floppy in half the time.

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Originally Posted by kidpanda

Well, welcome to the video gaming of today. People don't realize how much gaming has gotten away from the core gamer. Look at consoles now, they cater to the hardcore older gamer who play mostly FPS and over the top action titles. Don't get me wrong I'm not knocking this stuff in any way but we have all grown up and those 2D platformers and vertical shooties are a thing of the past.

Look around at the companies you grew up with, no longer do they make core games such as Strider, Gunstar Heroes, and Super Castlevania IV. Teams of hundreds of individuals without even working in the same room, or hell the same city are pumping out projects that rival blockbuster movies in budgets and advertising.

One of the reasons I'm supporting Sony in the next gen race coming up is plain and simple, I care about the indie games that are coming out, the games made with love and care of really small teams working together with like minded ideas. There will never be games like Metal Slug or DoDonPachi ever again simply cause it's not about making a game that make people reminisce anymore, it's about the almighty dollar.

I'm no longer surprised a kid nowadays have never touched a controller, or heard of a Sega Genesis. I just retreat back into my cave and revel in what used to be my childhood and do the best I can with what I have. Maybe one day a little known dev will put together a little 2D powerhouse system and have games made for that, sounds more like a pipe dream at best though......

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I read this Panda and immediately went to an arcade last night. To my surprise there was quite a crowd there. I saw people playing third strike, CPS2 boards in Candies and a group of teens duking it out on DDR. It was a happy surprise.

But what you say is true. We can collect these old carts and pcbs but ultimately, the past is the past. The gaming industry has changed for better or for worst.