astounding
and ending a religious war with religion seems....well you tell me
astounding
and ending a religious war with religion seems....well you tell me
The Rick Perry joke train just keeps on giving. I hope he stays in the race for a while longer.
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hysterical, man!Quote:
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also- isnt there this whole thing about seperating church and state? i coulda swore its written down somewhere...
even more- heh- the comments have been disabled. i wonder why? doesnt he want to hear from amrerica?
What the fuck? Who funds these idiots for these campaigns. I mean, if you believe conspiracy on any small level, it can't be more apt then looking at the totally obvious anti civil rights idiots in the media.
Fuck rick perry and michelle bachman, bunch of gay hating bigots. If you aren't gay, you don't get it, so stfu please.
Obama is gonna be president again, and hes going to win easily.
That music in the fucking background is hilarious.
Not only that - many of the founding fathers were atheists. Whether they were religious or not, they all realized the dangers of combining church and state: They had experienced it first hand and decided to build a new country. O'Riley, Hannity, etc somehow deny this. I can't believe how many people cite "One nation under God" and don't even know that phrase was wedged in during WWII.Quote:
Originally Posted by cdamm
I think a lot of famously genius people were closet atheists back in the day. Today if you're openly atheists people assume you have nor moral base, are a hedonist, etc. Back then they'd cut your fucking head off. Mendel himself was probably an atheist - he used becoming a monk as an opportunity to devote his time to science.
I've read very differently, but they still acknowledged the dangers of combining church with state. Even with that said, I swear I've read somewhere that the founding fathers also believed that you needed a strong christian faith to lead a country.Quote:
Originally Posted by fakeXsound
I'm sure somebody will come in and correct me.
It's been said before but Rick Perry is a 'tard. He won't be getting the nomination.
Those are views, not dislikes. Only 323k dislikes. You'd be hard pressed to find someone who believes Perry will get the nomination. There's like one guy who wrote a book on Perry and thinks he'll get a second look after a Newt implosion, but he hates Perry anyway.
I'm not all that sure about the others, but if you read what Jefferson wrote over the course of his life, it's pretty hard to come to the conclusion he's anything other than an atheist.Quote:
Originally Posted by Soilwork
Well, maybe I'm exaggerating when I say atheist. I'm sure a few were, but I think many were at least against the establishment of religion, if not simply deists.Quote:
Originally Posted by Soilwork
Madison:
"Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprise."
"Ecclesiastical establishments tend to great ignorance and corruption, all of which facilitate the execution of mischievous projects."
Adams:
"This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no religion in it."
Jefferson:
"And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter."
Franklin: "I looked around for God's judgments, but saw no signs of them."
Paine:
"I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish Church, by the Roman Church, by the Greek Church, by the Turkish Church, by the Protestant Church, nor by any Church that I know of. My own mind is my own Church. Each of those churches accuse the other of unbelief; and for my own part, I disbelieve them all."
"All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit."
"The study of theology, as it stands in the Christian churches, is the study of nothing; it is founded on nothing; it rests on no principles; it proceeds by no authority; it has no data; it can demonstrate nothing; and it admits of no conclusion."
etc. It's crazy how people just assume the founding fathers were Christians.
"Kids can't openly celebrate Christmas"? Since when?
I mean, I know America's gunning dodgy shit 24/7 but he could at least explain his examples rather than assuming everyone knows about them already.
Seriously, this is something the right has been shoving down everyone's throat. Can a teacher tell everyone to bow their heads and pray to god? No. Can a student pray on their own terms? Yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elixir
For fuck sake, my high school had a Fellowship of Christian Athletes club.
I'm not sure what Rick wants to change about that. I really wish someone would ask him or anyone else who brings it up what they mean by that.
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Wonder how that turned out.
thought that was funny too, but i enjoyed the vid.Quote:
Originally Posted by SNKorSWM
I think YouTube is just slow updating the view count.
Yes that parody video was hilarious but so true. Religion is simply human invention... Only people could have conjoured up a book so full of inconsistencies over several thousand years.
Dolphins have us beat in the book writing department.Quote:
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Interestingly enough, I've been doing research on the American Founding Fathers and religious belief.Quote:
Originally Posted by fakeXsound
Many of them were definitely not orthodox Christians in many senses; however, they were supportive of religion as the foundation of morals for any democratic republic.
Paine, it could be said, was the most militant of deists, constantly lashing out against religion; Ben Franklin chided him for this on several occasions.
John Adams was a Christ-as-savior believing Unitarian; Jefferson, as well, was a Unitarian deist-restorationist (believing he was endorsing the ideas of the early church, specifically Arians who did not believe in Christ's divinity). Franklin was born into a Calvinist background, so he maintained the ideas of order and stability they endorsed; he was a traditional deist, emphasizing a God who keeps law and order in the universe, but no Jesus Christ as savior. Lastly, Madison's private views are difficult to tell, though there are statements to the effect that he was very much a deist/unitarian of some sort "The belief in a God All Powerful wise and good is so essential to the moral order of the World and to the happiness of man, that arguments which enforce it cannot be drawn from too many resources."
So yeah, not so much Christian, but very much part of a religious movement (deism went out of style in the early 1800s as well). How bizarre that America was generally founded by a bunch of heterodox Unitarians; go figure.
EDIT: Oh yeah, Rick Perry ad, my bad. I imagine Rick Perry's been out of the race since his performance in the "oops" debate, so he's just digging a hole for himself. Democrats will obviously be angry, and so will most Republicans, who will see it as open bashing against not only Democrats, but Mitt Romney and Huntsman (both Mormons, not Christians!)
is this real?
I hate the idea of religion in public systems. You make christmas the big thing, jews will feel left out, and vice versa, just put any religion in the same spot. Rick Parry should send me his money so I can use it on something that shows.
I mean all those contributions combined, I should be able to score a euro kizuna.
This guy talks about talking openly, and the god damn video itself says this shit
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought a deist was simply a person who believed in a "higher power" that didn't interfere / care about / know about life on Earth - basically a more focused version of an agnostic.
I still fail to see the correlation between gays serving in the military and kids praying in school. It's not like the gays are praying to their anal gods or whatever during morning muster.
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An anti-homosexul stance is simply an anti-civil rights stance. Period.
That shit just isn't going to fly for much longer except where it will linger on in the darkest corners of the the deepest back-woods, mountains, and swamps of America.
Gonna be laughing about this for a while.Quote:
Originally Posted by SamuraiShodownSensei
Goddamn Rick Perry just shut up and sit down somewhere. The guy is basically a parody at this point.
BRB, laughing forever.Quote:
Originally Posted by Castor Troy
Wow, take that gays... Obama is anti-gay marriage as well, but at least he's not all in your face about it. Then again, Rick Perry doesn't even want homosexuals to be able to serve their country. Yeah, he's gonna get far.
Maybe I'm being cynical, but I would think that most of America is as backwards as he is.
I remember saying something similar once and wasabi called me a bigot. Must've been something in my tone...Quote:
Originally Posted by Lagduf
Maybe not most, but enough for him to be a serious contender for the Republican nom.Quote:
Originally Posted by fakeXsound
And the fucking governor of Texas. Whoo, good thing qube isn't here.
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I flagged it for hate speech, child abuse, and the promotion of terrorism.
I think that was an argument of semantics.Quote:
Originally Posted by HeartlessNinny
I should be clear in stating that a person who has a stance in which they do not think homosexuals should have equal protection under the law is an anti-civil rights stance.
I mean I guess you could like be against gays in general but recognize their right to equal protection. You'd still be a dumb-dumb but at least one who valued the rule of law.
I wonder how Rick Perry feels about muslim kids praying at school...
Deism is a pretty wide open form of belief - many of the Founding Fathers who were deists used more Christian imagery (Washington called it Providence, Adams called it God/Jesus, Jefferson called it God, Franklin as well), or just used religious language to convey their beliefs. It's not as if they ever became institutionalized, so it is less a organized religion and more a philosophical position about the metaphysical construction of the universe. Regardless, it posits a God, but that "higher power" varies depending on which person you are reading.Quote:
Originally Posted by fakeXsound
Still, it's not widely believed anymore. On the other hand, agnosticism assumes that certain knowledge cannot be known (hence, useless to discuss), so it's in a different category as far as I know. Plus, deism definitely errs on the side of religion, with both beliefs and precepts; even the most extreme of deists thought so. Note Paine's "statement of faith" in The Age of Reason: I believe in one God, and no more; and I hope for happiness beyond this life. I believe in the equality of man and I believe that religious duties constitute to doing justice, loving mercy, and endeavoring to make our fellow-creature happy."
tl'dr.Quote:
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If I remember right, I think I said something along the lines of "I'm not interested in debating gay rights with people who are against them anymore, because as far as I'm concerned anti-gay rights advocates are bigots", or some such. Then wasabi said something along the lines of "If you thing that all homophobes aren't worth talking to, you're a bigot yourself." Naturally I disagreed, and pointed out that I just wasn't interested in debating such folk. I never said I thought they should all be rounded up and shot or anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lagduf
If nothing else I think you're right about it being a semantic issue.
Well, the thing is, Perry, in his little protected insular fag-hating Christian world, HAS NO IDEA that there is weirder shit out there in the real world... and by weird, I mean, it involves... the Japanese.Quote:
Originally Posted by SamuraiShodownSensei
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I'm against state marriage.
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Originally Posted by lithy
GOD HATES FANGS
er...wrong campaign...
It's like he pulled a Michael Richards right when his act fell apart.
One thing I'll give him credit for: he's openly warmongering and gay bashing...Obama's practice of saying one thing and doing another bothers me way more. He's no friend of the gays and is twice the warmonger Bush was.
Another story got out about a drone strike killing a 16 year old boy with his 12 year old cousin in Pakistan....and unless visiting your aunt is an act of terrorism, Obama just spent a few million of your dollars on laser guided weapons to kill a couple of kids.
And shit like this is happening all the time while this fucking punk runs Bush's 3rd term.
WAY worse than making stupid videos for youtube IMO. I mean, they ALL suck...but where's the Obama hate?