Right to bear arms, my ass. Can't even protect myself and family.

I live in a nice, quiet neighborhood.

Quite a few members have been to my house and have seen the area first hand.

I don't live in Youngstown and haven't since 2002.

All of my neighbors besides the pieces of shit that live next door to me are old and retired, very friendly.

Have a couple creepy fucks though. Directly across the street from me was an older woman that had some "issues" and next door to her are a strange couple - one is a drug addict and the other is just fucked up. Both on their late 60's.

So, I was out on my neighbors porch across the street smoking a cigar a few weeks ago... It was me, my 82 year old neighbor, my 72 year old neighbor and his wife.

Mia came out and started riding her bike... on my side of the street.

We all noticed that the crazy lady's house had some unusual company. But we ignored it.

Up until we heard loud screaming, swearing and crying.

I ran off the porch to see what was up. Saw this dude about 6' 5" 350 yelling in this old mans face, just screaming and cursing at him. Saw a pistol in his back.

So I walked across the street to get Mia and put her in the house.

The guy turned around and saw me...

"WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU STARING AT, BITCH?"

I was like "Dude, can you keep it down please? My daughter is outside."

"I DON'T GIVE A FUCK WHO'S OUTSIDE, MIND YOUR OWN MOTHERFUCKING BUSINESS."

I kept walking with Mia to get to the house...

My neighbors stepped off the porch and told him to "simmer down, we don't need this around here."

He then told them to fuck off and not to worry, they'd be dead soon anyway.

I got Mia back to the house and was standing in my front yard watching him...

"WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU GONNA DO BITCH?"

I told him one last time to "Settle the fuck down, dude."

He starts coming across the street.

I told him to stay the fuck back.

I went in the house and grabbed my shotgun, put it by the front door.

He was still arguing with my neighbors, standing right on the curb.

I went back out and told him I called the police.

That pissed him off... across the street he came on to my property and towards my front door.

That shotgun was cocked and pointed right at his fucking head.

I've never had emotions of fear and adrenaline come over me like that, it was surreal.

I was almost crying with anger "NOW WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU GONNA DO?"

The guy was frozen. Didn't know what to say... Mumbled a few things...

Cops were called.

They had me drop the gun and handcuffed me, tossed in the back of the cruiser.

It's a good fucking thing my friend on the force showed up..

I kept my mouth shut about his gun... but they said I'm NOT ALLOWED outside my home with a gun.

I told them what had happened.

They didn't care.

Wanted to charge me with felonious assault among other things.

My buddy got it down to an aggravated menacing charge.

But I had no ground to stand on. They did not want to hear my side of the story.

If a gun is brought out of the house, you're fucked, no matter what.

I did what I had to.... I protected my neighbors and most importantly, my family.

My buddy and the rest of the cops said that I should have let him come in the house, then I could have done whatever I needed to do.

I don't think I could have shot this guy... Just having the gun to his head was fear enough.

I diffused the situation, nobody was hurt, but I get charged.

I know I could have made many different decisions, but in the heat of the moment, I feel I did what was necessary.





http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...l/2497d578.jpg

A few people knew about this when it happened.

Did I make a bad decision? Probably.

Did I accomplish what I intended? Most definitely.

Be back later.

well THAT can't be good.

Damn, TonK. I hope you and your family are alright.

Did some crazy-stupid fools try a home invasion last night?

I see this and I wonder if TonK either a) shot somebody or b) tried to shoot somebody.

Never mind the reason, I'm not passing judgment. But I do find that a bit alarming.

AWESOME

will make for a great story in a decade when you've cooled down I bet

as long as you and your family are safe, i feel ok with saying: you cant just put up a pic like that without the story!!!!

seriously- i really do hope you and your family are safe.

I hope no jail time or fines are involved for you.

[EDIT: This post was based on the teaser version of the post which was just the picture and a few words saying he'd be back later to fill us in]

I know the story is coming, but I sometimes see a teaser like this and think of:


http://i.imgur.com/OHYl0.jpg

third murderer i've run into on the forums in as many days

i hope you are not in trouble and your family is ok. you did not pull it out in public did you? .

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I know the story is coming, but I sometimes see a teaser like this and think of:


http://i.imgur.com/OHYl0.jpg

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ha ha ha ha

(Hope I don't feel bad about laughing at this later.)

You made the right call.

The laws are wrong.

This story makes me sad because of how incredibly unamerican it seems.

:(

If you have witnesses who are willing to come forward and say what occurred, consult a defense attorney and see if you have a case to fight the charges.

you made the right call, mate (even if it was against the law). glad everyone is ok. im sure once all of the facts are dredged out the worst thing you will face is some community service (if it's not not totally expunged).

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If you have witnesses who are willing to come forward and say what occurred, consult a defense attorney and see if you have a case to fight the charges.

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I have none.

My neighbors said they didn't see anything.

Didn't know if they should talk.

My piece of shit neighbors saw everything, but I don't trust them.

This is already taken care of, the prosecutor dropped the charges with help from the lead detective.

I wanted to wait till it was all over before I even said anything.

I was scolded, but I got my bond money back along with my shotgun.

We're now looking to move.

Jesus christ what had to happen for guns to be involved? Just come out with it man, attorneys don't frequent neo-geo...

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Jesus christ what had to happen for guns to be involved? Just come out with it man, attorneys don't frequent neo-geo...

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Dude charging onto my property with a pistol on him.

I have a wife and a daughter.

NOBODY fucks with my family.

The old HN would totally comment on this, but I'm not going to (it's too personal). I'll just say this: I'm glad you and your family are safe, TonK.

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The old HN would totally comment on this, but I'm not going to (it's too personal). I'll just say this: I'm glad you and your family are safe, TonK.

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What's the difference between the old HN and the current one?

You can say what you want... It's a free forum.

You just went through something that was pretty rough, and it seems to me that this isn't the time or place to voice my views about the situation.

Before I would have been more interested in making a point than being sympathetic, but I've decided that I'd rather go with the latter these days. No one likes that guy -- and they probably shouldn't.

So let's focus on the positive. No one was hurt. You don't face any legal repercussions. That's fucking fantastic.

The good thing is that everything worked out and everyone is safe. Unfortunately, it only takes one rotten neighbor to spoil a good neighborhood. This kind of crap can happen in any community unless you're a multimillionaire in a gated residence.

man..crazy story.
I'm glad to hear that nobody got shot.

what happened to the other guy? did he take off before the cops came? who called the cops (i think you told him you did.. but didn't really do it)?

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I have none.

My neighbors said they didn't see anything.

Didn't know if they should talk.

My piece of shit neighbors saw everything, but I don't trust them.

This is already taken care of, the prosecutor dropped the charges with help from the lead detective.

I wanted to wait till it was all over before I even said anything.

I was scolded, but I got my bond money back along with my shotgun.

We're now looking to move.

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Given the circumstances, I'm happy for you. They no doubt realized that the situation was just not the one that warrants legal pursuit. I'm glad you and your family are safe.

You did the right thing, the police are just fucking assholes.

The police are who helped me get the charges dropped from a felony to a misdemeanor.

The other guy was able to press charges on me because I had a gun to his head.

Like I said, it's an upscale, older neighborhood. Lots of great people.

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Originally Posted by TonK

The police are who helped me get the charges dropped from a felony to a misdemeanor.

The other guy was able to press charges on me because I had a gun to his head.

Like I said, it's an upscale, older neighborhood. Lots of great people.

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what state do you live in? also wondering how much the bond was? were you on a porch or something. wonder if you actually in your house pointing out would that matter.

neighborhoods with old people are great untill they die and the young douche bags move in then you are screwed specially if you own the house.

Just out of curiosity Tonk, did you give him any verbal warning as he came onto your property?

Also, don't forget to be careful talking to the police.

Glad you're safe.

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Just out of curiosity Tonk, did you give him any verbal warning as he came onto your property?

Also, don't forget to be careful talking to the police.

Glad you're safe.

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I was grabbing my shotgun as he advanced onto my property.

No warning was issued - it happened very quickly.

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I was grabbing my shotgun as he advanced onto my property.

No warning was issued - it happened very quickly.

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That's a very scary situation to be in. I sucks that you have to weigh litigation vs safety in this society. Seriously, good luck with the case.

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You did the right thing, the police are just fucking assholes.

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Freaking this. If you can't even protect your own property when someone crosses that habitual line, then I don't what to say. People these days are too dependent on the law and the cops know this. They use this to their advantage to screw over those that attempt to live a peaceful life and instead support those that do wrong. You did the right thing in book TonK. As the man of the house, you do what you must to protect your wife AND your kid. I bet you anything those cops don't have families of their own. Thank God all mighty no one got shot.

Bravo!!

Why didn't you tell the cops you saw he had a gun on him though?

all I have to say is you did the right thing.

Dude...a) glad all is well.
b) I would've likely done similar. 'momma bear instinct' in full effect. It's a whole different ball of wax when your cubs are in danger.

c) ttys.

Glad to hear that you and your family weren't hurt TonK.

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Bravo!!

Why didn't you tell the cops you saw he had a gun on him though?

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I'm not a snitch.

Plus it wouldn't have helped me.

This is all over by the way, I beat the charges.

After being humiliated in our local newspaper.

For anyone who talks tough about shooting someone, believe me - they are just bitches.

The tough guy in me disappeared as soon as that barrel was inches from his face.

Worst feeling I've ever had.

If he went for his gun, I may have shot him.

But I CANNOT BRING A GUN OUTSIDE MY HOME.

Glad you're ok. You actually showed a lot of restraint to be honest.

I'm glad we don't have guns here tbh, I would have shot someone or myself up years ago.

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But I CANNOT BRING A GUN OUTSIDE MY HOME.

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Unfortunately Tonk this is the reality of the law in many states. Is the open carry of a loaded firearm legal where you live?

I'm not saying I agree with these kinds of laws, by the way.

You did what you had to do though.

If this was CA you'd definitely be in jail for brandishing, felonious assault w/ a deadly weapon, etc and your life would be ruined. Thankfully you live in a more sensible region.

I'm glad your family is safe, you aren't in jail, and you still have your 2A rights.

Do you have a fence on your front yard?

Get a nice looking white picket fence with a gate and make sure there is no access to the yard from your driveway (except through a gate.) The gate does not have to lock or have a lock. You can generlly have and carry a gun in your front yard in this manner (even in CA!) even if openly carrying a loaded weapon in public is illegal, because in this situation, the gated in area is considered "not accesible" to the public, and therefore not a public space.

Had the dude crossed the threshold of the closed gate (and not left your yard, had you asked) he could have been hit with trespassing, and at a minimum you would have had more leeway with having a loaded gun outside.

It really depends on what kind of Castle Law they have where you live. Even in CA I could legally shoot anyone who broke in to my home, so long as I didn't shoot them while they were clearly fleeing.

Stay safe Tonk.

well to be honest, you held back longer than most people. It sounded like you had several moments there where most trash would have tried to assault him first.


im baffled that you cant point a gun at an aggressive person on your property.

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Worst case scenario is that the dude could have shot Tonk, killed him, and got off scot free so long as he stated Tonk drew a gun on him first (so long as Tonk actually did point the gun at him first, which he did.)

I'm not saying that's right, but that's how it is.

Sorry you had to go through that TonK. Glad you and the family are safe.

Reminds me of the problems I had with this one Drug Dealer/Pimp in March of 2007 (I've talked about it here before)
and how it ended up in a Mexican standoff with my father and I and four SAPD Vice cops about to raid the condo 3
doors down (we'd made the call a bit earlier verifying the right place, but they were early), and I can say that what
you describe is accurate about pointing a weapon at a person, plus everything goes into this weird slow motion, and
you feel like you're gonna shit your pants and you can literally hear your damn heart beat in your ears. It's not a
fun state of being to be in.

I guess the laws are different there though. Here, (and I lived in a condo) as long as I was within so many feet that
was considered an extension of my domicile, I could walk around with a pistol or long gun (loaded) in plain sight and
deter a criminal. As Lagduf put it, I could even engage the said actor with provocation to do so, but not if they
were in the act of fleeing.

I'm in shock that you'd have to go through what you did man. That just doesn't seem right at all. In my case, everyone
realized both sides were the good guys, and I was even allowed to partake in the raid on said drug dealer/pimp (more because
I was recognized for being the guy who had been thwarting the prostitution for a month on my own and that I was a SERAC/S.E.O.
worth his salt)... but that shit you went through is fucked with a capital F. Kind of reminds me of how the citizens in the aftermath
of Hurricane Katrina were disarmed and treated as the enemy by National Guardsmen, when they had a right to defend their homes
and had been doing so from parasitic scum out there (at the time). The laws on the books are not rooted in common sense 9 times out
of 10.

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I agree with this, on principle, but I dont think that counts as snitching at all.

I'm not a gun person at all. At least I wasn't up until a couple weeks ago. I know nothing about guns, but I want to get one for the very situation that happened to you. I'm moving to a bigger city next year and want to have one for home protection, and maybe to take the firing range every so often (learn how to use it/blow off steam). I hope I never get into a situation where I'm forced to bring it out and then have the fucking cops detain me, though. That fucking sucks, dude.

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Originally Posted by TonK

The police are who helped me get the charges dropped from a felony to a misdemeanor.

The other guy was able to press charges on me because I had a gun to his head.

Like I said, it's an upscale, older neighborhood. Lots of great people.

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Alright then, the lawmakers are retarded assholes.

Point is, you had to defend your family. What you did was what anybody in your shoes would have done.

fucking bureaucratic bullshit

I'm allowed to walk down my street with a loaded shotgun. Point it at anyone and that's the ball game.

I'm glad you guys feel I was in the right, but it's really been bothering me that this all happened.

The look in that guys eyes is something I'll never forget.

He looked as if the life was snatched right out of him, he knew he fucked with the wrong person.

He thought he was going to die.

I never want to see that look ever again.

After my brother bailed me out, I came home and cried.

I was terrified of what I did.

I'm so grateful I had the self discipline to hold the guy at bay until the police arrived.

Had I not seen a firearm on him, it would have surely ended in a fistfight.

Just hope none of you ever have to deal with this shit.

And it can happen anywhere.

I no longer carry my Glock. I'm almost scared of guns right now.

I'm glad you and your family are safe.

In situations like these with me I wish the other guy would lay a finger on me, just to give me an excuse to show him how close to death he can be.

Some people just need a good ass beating. A little humility to show they are absolutely nothing but fragile beings. The look Tonk saw in his eyes sound like that sufficed.

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Unfortunately Tonk this is the reality of the law in many states. Is the open carry of a loaded firearm legal where you live?

I'm not saying I agree with these kinds of laws, by the way.

You did what you had to do though.

If this was CA you'd definitely be in jail for brandishing, felonious assault w/ a deadly weapon, etc and your life would be ruined. Thankfully you live in a more sensible region.

I'm glad your family is safe, you aren't in jail, and you still have your 2A rights.

Do you have a fence on your front yard?

Get a nice looking white picket fence with a gate and make sure there is no access to the yard from your driveway (except through a gate.) The gate does not have to lock or have a lock. You can generlly have and carry a gun in your front yard in this manner (even in CA!) even if openly carrying a loaded weapon in public is illegal, because in this situation, the gated in area is considered "not accesible" to the public, and therefore not a public space.

Had the dude crossed the threshold of the closed gate (and not left your yard, had you asked) he could have been hit with trespassing, and at a minimum you would have had more leeway with having a loaded gun outside.

It really depends on what kind of Castle Law they have where you live. Even in CA I could legally shoot anyone who broke in to my home, so long as I didn't shoot them while they were clearly fleeing.

Stay safe Tonk.

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I hate to be a dick but Lag's right.

First off...I am seriously thankful nothing happened...I'm happy you and your family are safe.

With that said...you got's to know your local laws man. I know here in Illinois, I would be sitting in a cell if I did that. Had he came into my home, that's a different story. I know this is easy to say from my computure desk but had that been me, I would have grabbed my shotgun and then stood inside the door of my home. if he would have come in, it would have been game time. If not...I wouldn't have gone after him. I've sene your case reported many times and damn near every time...the innocent (you) get ass rammed for it. It sucks but its the law.

Even though you did what you had to or thought what was right, know your laws (even though they are fucked up).

Glad all is well.

Bags of lunch meat Mike.

That is all.