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Is it still a good platform game? Yes, when it chooses to be.
I cannot stand all of the transformations (Baby Mario, the helicopter, the choo-choo, the digger tank, etc). There's also way too much backtracking in the level designs too.
SMW > SMB3 > SMB1 > YI >SMB2(US).
The list is just missing Strip Fighter.
I can't stand yoshi's island.
baby mario is so annoying.
I did like the crayon drawing motif though.
I never thought it was all that, either. It never 'wowed' me like other Mario games, y'know?
But then again, it really ain't a Mario game (people who call it Super Mario World 2 are stupid).
Easily the best boss fights of any Mario game, though.
Yoshi's Island > Aliens
shut up lithy
galaxy is way worse so it has that going for it at least.
GUTTED.Quote:
Originally Posted by LoneSage
You guys hate Mario 2 US?
WTF, fellas. Miyamoto had a lot more to do with making that game than he did with SMB2 JP.
Which I can go on the record as saying that it is the shittiest fucking mario game ever.
Transformations/baby mario sucked indeed...but that trippy Mario 2 vibe YI had won me over...I like Shyguys more than goombas, I also like not having a time limit and getting to explore instead of just running to the end of the level.
But that's just me.
I can feel the strange aesthetics of the game, there's a lot of charm in the visuals for sure, but the level designs just plain aren't nearly as fun. Also, I really don't like the whole scorekeeping aspect of the game, as in, "Find all five of these, 20 of these, etc." It really forecasted a lot of what would become irritating as hell about platformers as the decade wore on. In Mario games, the items were simply there to be collected for fun, or to increase your lives, or not at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spoon
I'm also not a fan of the areas where you can't see the path, and then when you hop inside that space, the playable area 'appears', and then disappears as you move in and out. It's annoying as hell.
I could just play SMW and SMB3 for the rest of my life. So f'n good.
Yeah....collecting rubbish items like a fucking OCD case just pisses me off.
I would rather they just ramped up the difficulty to a point where finishing the level is an achievement in itself.
But going back to mario 2: As a kid going from Mario 1 , it was a big leap in coolness for me.
4 different characters, 4 styles of play....even NSMB wii is a step back from that shit. Can't even pick your character in that fucking game. :oh_no:
As for the aesthetics....if they make a new game for the wii, they should make it play like a classic mario game....but bring back the shit that made Mario 2 awesome: Vines, shyguys, giant carved out trees, ostriches and shit...I could go on but I'm drifting into Cool story bro territory atm.
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Originally Posted by SouthtownKid
Crash Bandicoot > SonicQuote:
Originally Posted by not sonic
Crash Bandicoot 2 is a great game.
That above comment was actually half-snark, half real love.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lagduf
I think the first three legit Crash games (those made by Naughty Dog) were actually really, really good in terms of sheer gameplay. The aesthetics and character designs didn't set my world on fire, but they were fun as hell.
Yoshi's Island is excellent and the extra completion challenges are fun.
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Some stages are tough, but that is a given.
Remember Super Mario world's secret star stage? I totally forgot what it is called but they are tough.
I beat that game YEARS ago.
Don't expect to complete this game 100% without putting any effort.
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I felt the same way when I played it first way back when...but upon replay...it's definitely got some issues. I don't think it holds up as well as the others.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dick Jones
Collecting coins for 1up's was cool in 1989.
YI = Mario 64 > all
SMW is overrtated.
So much wrong in so few wordsQuote:
Originally Posted by k'_127
I wasn't a fan of SMW2 either, it looked ok but was a daft mix of pre-rendered, lovely sprites and superFX effects, and it didn't work too well. Baby mario was annoying, and the game annoyed me. I couldn't even be bothered to unlock the secrets and have played it only once and probably won't ever again.
smw forever.
Great game.
I remember seeing it in the back of somebody's van when they were selling off all their ex-rentals. It had already been claimed so I couldn't get that exact copy. Somewhere between this and my full completion of the game was where I managed to obtain it.
Then I remember wanting to get it for the DS, back in 2004 when DS' first came out. My mother and I ended up driving for 2 hours to this store which claimed to have it in stock, but turned out they confused it with another GBA title in the Mario Advance line.
A few days later I found another store which had it in stock, with a completely ruined box. At the time I didn't do online purchases (maybe because I was what, 16?) but I took it. I don't remember beating it a second time, but I'd like to.
I also checked out the DS version, which I liked, but apparently everyone hated.
I mostly remember the game for the art style. Also these things:
http://i36.tinypic.com/5cki04.jpg
These things. Do not touch these things.
Great game. The N64 one is much stranger though (and less fun). It looks like the designers were on a mushroom trip.
I despised it back when it was new...I hate it still.
Although beautiful in design, the game just plain sucks. I think my largest problem is that they called it Super Mario World 2...when I read the announcement of the game, I was beyond excited (note the word read...that was still in the glory days of gaming mags...*sigh*). SMW was/is my favorite of the entire franchise, another title in the franchise was sure to be epic...right?
When I finally got my hands on it and realized what it was...I don't think the term "let down" really applied...I was devastated. Had it had been called anything but that name...I might have simply overlooked it as a shit, annoying title...but figuring they put that sacred name on it made it 1000 times worse.
I returned it to the rental place some 15+ years ago and haven't picked it up since.
Yoshi's Island is tops.
fuck the haters :D
I also like the crayon motif.
Too hard of a game though, and baby mario is annoying.
Man I remember playing the sequal for the N64 after the super fami/snes version. What a fucking POS.
Don't bother with the DS version of Yoshi's Island, it's harder then the SNES version and you not only do the morph switching, but you also switch between using Baby Mario, Baby Peach and Baby Donkey Kong, all with different abilities. Game is ruthless sometimes.
How on earth do people consider this a hard game?
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Hard?Quote:
Originally Posted by Late
No.
Annoying and boring?
Yup...
I love SMW2. Probably the best Mario game out there.Quote:
Originally Posted by LoneSage
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Originally Posted by lithy
No, in fact when they tweaked it and released it for GBA it was as good as ever. Plus the DS sequel was excellent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loopz
At least you didn't say it was difficult.
I think it's a good game, but I think SMW is much more enjoyable. Actually, the only main mario games I didn't care for were Yoshi's Story and Sunshine...
I thought the DS game was a sequel? Or did they re-release the original one, as well as a sequel on the DS. tbh, i've lost count of how many mario games there have been in recent years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dick Jones
I heard a rumor that Miyamoto made SMB 2 (JP) really difficult cause he was going through depression.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spoon
BTW, i'm playing said Mario as we speak! I've never played and I see why people have a strong distaste for it: IT'S EFFIN HARD!!! This game defines Nintendo Hard with elements of platform hell and possibly Guide Dang It. I mean there's a lot of trial and error in this game and it CAN'T be beat on 3 lives, you have to do the unlimited lives trick to really beat this game.
You're right, I was thinking of the port to the GBA (Super Mario Advance 3).Quote:
Originally Posted by neo_moe
Great games though. I really enjoyed them.
Played further...
OK, the level designs are really all over the map with this game. Just finished World 3, which was the jungle-themed levels, and those were actually really fucking cool. Lots of parallax scrolling, faux-lighting effects (sunbeams through the vines and on the water), loved the homage to DK Jr. with the monkeys on the vines. There were just some really, really piss annoying levels in World 2. Still hate the overuse of gimmicky transformation sequences. Same thing with the overuse of Bonus Challenge games. They just feel like they interrupt and artificially lengthen what would otherwise be a solid, well-realized game. Sometimes less is more.
I played the import version right when it came out almost 15/16 years ago (!!!), so a lot of this is stuff I didn't recall. It also never got that kind of repeated play that I certainly threw down with SMW...
Truthfully, is it more wrong to call Yoshi's Island a sequel to SMW ~OR~ Super Mario Brothers 2 a sequel to SMB1?
gotcha. good to hear, I haven't played the DS sequel yet...but it's on a very long list of ds games I want to play.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dick Jones
For me, no game of this type did. I played the SHIT out of SMW. And there was so much to do in it, plus a consistently high level of quality throughout in every category.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loopz
I play SMW through about once a year, easily in my top 5 games, top 3 even.
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Originally Posted by SouthtownKid
It's really, firmly, permanently nestled in my Top 5 of all time. Probably my favorite non-SF title ever. To think that so much gameplay and aesthetic beauty was packed into a 4Mbit cartridge.
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Originally Posted by Emil M. Antonowsky
Is Yoshi's Island on the virtual console? If not, why not? Damn you Nintendo. :mad:
I'd say US SMB2 is closer to the other entries in the series than Yoshi's Island is. You still have the magic mushrooms to add health (albeit enough to take 4 hits before losing a life) and leap on enemies (which you have to before you can throw them) as your primary form of attack. There's more of a focus on climbing as opposed to SMB1, where you really only did it in bonus stages.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zero Satori
I enjoy(ed) Yoshi's Island for what it was; I don't think it's as comparable to the rest of the series as some make it out to be. All I know is, it took 5 years for it to come out after the previous console Mario title, which was an *eternity* compared to the NES days. By that time, I just wanted some semblence of Mario mechanics/characters in the game, and it delivered just fine.
I told you to shut up before you posted what made me tell you to shut up.Quote:
Originally Posted by lithy
Get it?
Got it.Quote:
Originally Posted by LoneSage
Shut up.
Great game. Not as good as classic Marios or SMW, but then what is? Still an excellent Nintendo platformer. I agree that they could have removed some of the collecting element, however. That's why I don't think I'll go through the DS version as the extra transformations are taking it beyond standard platforming fare and into too much puzzle solving.
I'd rather play Super Princess Peach on the DS though. It's a fun platformer, easily overlooked due to its cuteness, that doesn't completely depend on touch controls like most of the DS library.
The collecting is what the game's all about. Reminds me of Loco Roco.
I really enjoyed this game (SMB 2 US), and can still go back and play it. Boss fights felt like a fight, not a run and pray jump on a head *yawn* over done series of events.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spoon
That's a good point but I would consider SMB2US to be closer to a "mario'ish" title than SMW2. Again...why they put the name Super Mario World on that title is beyond me. I agree SMB2US is confusing as being labeled a Mario title but it was fun and closer to a SM title than SMW2.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zero Satori
I have to say I was quite the Mario purist....I didn't like Yoshi (and in many ways still do not). I despised the fact that you were forced to use him to access certain parts of the game. other than that...SMW was epic for its time.
Although I hate Mario64 (shit controls) it too was huge in scope for its time. Those two games (SMW and M64) haven't really been recreated since. Sure, there have been large scale Mario titles but nothing like those two.
Lastly....the real SMB2 was brutal...fucks sake that game is hard. I remember playing it for the first time on All Stars and it handing me my ass...to this day I have not finished it without cheating...it is brilliant but devious.
Nintendo of America trying to make the dying SNES look attractive with a new "Super Mario World" game in 1995?Quote:
Originally Posted by smokehouse