Jeffrey DeMunn was also in Shawshank Redemption, Green Mile, and The Majestic. Laurie Holden was in The Majestic as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zardoz
There's probably some more but Darabont's filmography isn't too extensive.
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Jeffrey DeMunn was also in Shawshank Redemption, Green Mile, and The Majestic. Laurie Holden was in The Majestic as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zardoz
There's probably some more but Darabont's filmography isn't too extensive.
Pretty much agree. Characters are finally starting to show some development. There were some things that bugged me (the shooting range with unlimited ammo, and the surprise zombie attack on Shane and Andrea), but I guess I'm used to that sort of thing that it doesn't bother me anymore. I can't wait for the final episode of this half season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Agent Sands
I was more bothered with the zombie in the store than the zombies in the hood, because Glenn and Maggie had already been there. It was like what, the zombie was napping the first few time she went to the store, or maybe the zombie remembered how to open doors and hide behind shelves. Either way it was awkward. But I'll take it over a sat floater zombie any day, especially since it got Maggie to tell Glenn what's really happening with him and the group. This leads me to see this going the way the comics went, at least with Glenn.Quote:
Originally Posted by Castor Troy
As for unlimited bullets, the juxtaposition was pretty clear when later on Andrea only squeezed out 3 rounds on the walkers and her clip was empty.
I only saw the episode one time, but I could have sworn I saw the zombie looking outside the window at Glenn (it was a split second thing).
I am tempted to download it now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Castor Troy
In the most recent episode? I don't see anything, just the horses outside the windows.Quote:
Originally Posted by Castor Troy
Just re-watched it. Guess it was just my imagination. Still, having a zombie break away from the pack doesn't seem so far fetch imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Agent Sands
Shane has been kind of redeeming himself, so I would say in the George R. R. Martin style, he's primed to be killed now. I know the show hasn't been like that, but it's time.
Hope not. Darryl and now Shane are the best things this show has going right now (this is coming from a Shane-hater since S1).Quote:
Originally Posted by Agent Sands
I too hated Shane, but his exposure to zombies has brought out his character a lot more than other characters like Dale, who is just an old weirdo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Castor Troy
Shane was always pretty much a suck ass character in the comic. This season of the show has done him a great service. I also like what they're doing with Glen and Andrea. I mean they were already badass in the comic but its finally starting to shine through in these last two episodes. The biggest disappointments lately have been Rick and Dale by a mile. Too outstanding characters but...well...not doing much for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Agent Sands
Shane fucking Andrea > Dale fucking Andrea
Dale's problem is that he's hardly ever dealing with shit first hand. He's an observer. When Andrea is getting attacked by a walker in the RV, he watches overhead from the skylight, judging. The guy is just a dick.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wachenroder
Rick has been kind of sheltered too this entire season. As much as the show doesn't need to be about zombies, they serve as a vehicle to help bring out the characters more.
Goddamn right!Quote:
Originally Posted by Soilwork
Which is a shame and considering that Rick is the central character of the series. I would think it'd be on their priority to solidify the focus on him this season since it was scattered and vague last season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Agent Sands
If anything, we are being shown that Rick is not a leader. He's just wearing the Sheriff hat. There is no real leadership in the group. Darryl is doing what he thinks is right, looking for Sophia. Shane is doing what he feels obligated to do. Rick is just doing the right thing. But who is taking orders? Glenn? That's it really. Herschel's family is looking to Rick for leadership more than the original group.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wachenroder
Even though I had the ending spoiled last week, thought the ending to the mid season finale was pretty cool. Can't wait to see the second part of season 2 next year.
Ok, I'm man enough to admit that I teared up at the end of tonight's episode.
another pretty decent episode. Im curious to see shanes interactions with the group coming up in the second half.
Also looks like they aren't leaving the farm quite yet- the next half preview looks like a lot more fun down on the farm.
Sophia looked like my mom when she was young so that scene was fucked up on a whole 'nother level for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by IsamuBlue
No parent should have to watch their kid turn zombie and get shot in the head.
She was in the barn the whole fucking time?
Fuck this show.
I admit it was an emotional moment, but let's recap, shall we? Precisely fuck all happens until this episode, wherein we get the thinnest of climaxes and find out that the goddamn kid was in there for who knows how long. What, did Herschel just forget about it? Ridiculous.
Now we have to wait until February? I guess this show isn't content to show us nothing from week to week, now we have to wait a few months to see more nothing.
For me it comes down to this: I wish this show was better. It could be great, but for now, it's fucking terrible.
P.S. Is it me or was Shane right the whole time? Rick was acting like a goddamned pussy. To me this is also really stupid, because Shane is clearly a nascent villain, even though he's clearly a more effective leader than Rick. They better fix that shit real quick, though I seriously doubt they will.
I'll bet otis found her and put her in the barn. This was before the huge search at the farm. Before otis knew there was a missing girl to say 'hey there is a little girl I put in the barn' he was killed by shane.Quote:
Originally Posted by HeartlessNinny
while shane was probably right, rick is trying to play it 'right' by abiding by hershels rules on his land. needless to say the group could easily overpower herschels people, but i think rick is just consumed by trying to hang onto the last bit of humanity and civilization. I think his character really stepped up and showed he was a leader by putting sophia down when everyone else froze.Quote:
Originally Posted by HeartlessNinny
I was talking with my friend about this show a few weeks ago. I said that the only thing that would redeem this show at this point would be for them to find Sofia in the barn. We both agreed that that would be too awesome and it would never happen.
Oh nice point. I completely forgot that sequence didn't leave time for Otis to know what they were doing. Or did he? I mean, when they were searching for Sophia, Carl got shot, and he helped the group bring Carl to the house. Just thinking it probably had a chance to come out. But probably wasn't mentioned. I don't know. I guess Otis wasn't going to tell people about their barn of walkers.Quote:
Originally Posted by cdamm
I would think if thats the case tis didnt put 2 and 2 together because carl was in such danger and needed the supplies. If i was stuck in that spot i would be more concerned with the living dying kid i accidentally shot rather than the random walker kid i didnt know in the barn. Plus at that point he didnt have her description and details of the search.Quote:
Originally Posted by Agent Sands
there's that too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Agent Sands
I dunno, man. It just seems like rationalization on the behalf of a substandard show. It's just stupid, pretty much every way you slice it. Firing Darabont and halving the budget killed this show as dead as a walker.Quote:
Originally Posted by cdamm
So not really dead.Quote:
Originally Posted by HeartlessNinny
Actually, I genuinely hope so (which is why I went with that metaphor),
but either way it's gonna smell gross and be clumsy.
How did Sofia only have one bite taken out of her neck? If she was bitten by a walker, why did they just stop there? Why not eat everything they could from her?
I figured it was because she probably got a bite and escaped, only to turn later.
maybe they didn't like the taste?... just like sharks, if they bite a surfer and realize it's not a seal, they get grossed outQuote:
Originally Posted by Soilwork
A huge chunk out of the neck would immobilize anybody, I'd imagine. That, or they would get maybe 2 feet before collapsing from blood loss.Quote:
Originally Posted by Agent Sands
I don't think walkers are too discerning on taste.
I really liked last night's episode.
It doesn't make up for the uneven season, but it was the strongest of the season as far as I am concerned. I really enjoyed the themes being presented.
Rick is the man and Shane's a punk. The show now has its first bonafide villain.
No, I don't consider Merle a villain because he didn't really do anything in the context of the show other than act ignorant and chop off his hand to survive. Shane's crossed lines and boundaries and imposed his will on others in ways I doubt a guy like Merle can conjure up in his wildest, most ignorant dreams.
That is not leading. That is bullying. He can't get curbed soon enough for me. I say that in a good 'guy you love to hate' kinda way.
I really feel that the show was building to this moment, and it wasn't enough of a payoff for the frustrating delivery of the season to this point. It felt like they dreamed up this awesome endgame for the 'half season finish' but didn't know how to get there from point a to point b in a more compelling fashion.
I give the season a B- so far.
I think way too much was said. Especially with Dale saying outright that Shane was meant for this world. It was better when it was just Shane saying that Rick wasn't made for this world. No need to beat people over the head with the foilisms.
I wonder how the comic readers are dealing with the departures from the comics. I think it's cool to get an alternative dimension in TWD. I would also be content if Carl died. Kid reminds me of the little kid in Ringu.
I was waiting for Otis to wander back to the farm, and then Shane would have to explain the gunshot wound.
I also agree the reason Rick is playing by Hershel's rule is to try and be human. Maintain humanity.
Shane just wants to conquer and survive, but that is a short term solution. Eventually humanity will have to work together.
I also thought about why the girl wasnt eaten, and the bite-escape clause is all you come up with. Again, it's a zombie show....so it's not like they have to play by the rules.
Think about it - having watched Resident Evil movies, all of them, when Carlos got bitten, it was a bite on the arm, but he managed to get away. Same with a lot of the protagonists. Like Michele Rodriguez in RE1, she turned off a small wound. I would imagine most of the zombies lucked out, sort of, in that they weren't eaten more. If a pile of zombies was eating Otis, when would they stop? After the first bite? Second bite? Or when his juicy carcass was devoured clear to the bone?Quote:
Originally Posted by NeoSneth
If I had to choose one, I prefer Dale telling Shane over Shane telling Rick.Quote:
Originally Posted by Agent Sands
Actually, I prefer Rick telling Shane because that makes him more proactive as a leader, but that's just not in Rick's character to treat Shane that way just yet. I'm sure this will be the dynamic when the show returns, though.
I can't speak for the other readers, but I haven't had much of a problem with the departures so far. The only thing, as we've all said here, is that I don't like how Rick isn't being given enough of a spotlight to actually LEAD this group. They follow him, but the show hasn't done a good job of explaining exactly why this is the case.Quote:
Originally Posted by Agent Sands
How does he make them feel safer or more protected? How have his decisions been the type that they'll follow? The show has spent so much time on Daryl arguing with his phantom brother and gathering flowers and Shane going gradually crazy that Rick just isn't a strong enough leader to convince me that anyone would do anything he'd say. I thought the first season did a better job of expressing Rick's qualities. That could be because this season is more decompressed. It just reminds me of LOST so much in that they're introducing these new themes and ideas, but they haven't really solidified the more important concepts yet.
This show is borrowing heavily enough from the source material that it's tied to it. Well, that source material is focused on Rick's evolution. If they keep borrowing and Rick is still given short shrift in the TV show, something will feel off.
you know what would spice up this show?
Will Ferrel - Rick
Mr T - Shane
there fixed it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zardoz
You really didn't have a problem with the fact the girl was in the barn the whole time? What about how practically nothing's happened so far this season, even including last night's episode?Quote:
Originally Posted by Taiso
To be fair, it's not like you're not being critical. But I feel like I'm the only one who thinks it's dumb that girl was in the barn. It just seems so incredibly stupid to me.
It'd be one thing if they could explain it next week, but no. We have to wait several months instead.
Honestly I don't give a shit anymore. There should have been some kind of crazy cliffhanger that made it so I couldn't wait for next February, but instead I got a weak interim-style finale that didn't really resolve anything.
I still don't think there's much drama to be had either. The only thing that really got my attention was the fact that Rick's greatest enemy isn't the zombies or even Herschel, it's Shane. But that's pretty stupid when they both just want to survive.
There should be a rule that if the character doesn't have any lines in the script of the week, that character must be killed off. I know they're running low on black dudes right now, but just putting T-dog in there and not letting him talk is lame. Something they stress in writing class is economy of words. And in screen writing economy is a big deal. Obviously time is of the essence. If they wanted to make the show about Daryl's personal quest to improve his stature from redneck to gentleman, then have the decency to kill off the rest of the unused cast.
dissin' ol' Mr T eh?.. i pitty the fool? ;PQuote:
Originally Posted by cdamm
but how would you feel if you're wife had sexy time with Mr T at his current age.
i thought my otis theory a bit earlier was a pretty good explanation.Quote:
Originally Posted by HeartlessNinny
It was a good way to explain it, but you shouldn't have to. And even with the idea explained, it's still stupid.Quote:
Originally Posted by cdamm
The fact remains that they had 8 episodes to tell a story here -- and in 8 episodes, look what they do in a show like Boardwalk Empire or Breaking Bad -- and they did sweet fuck all with them. They could have wrapped this shit up in 3 or 4. This mid season break should have led to the group moving on, not staying in the same place forever.
I think it's cool that things weren't so obvious and require more thinking and discussion. We did that a lot with Breaking Bad. I think that it's critical to any show's value for the audience to need to think about what's going on more.
Normally I'd agree with you completely, but I think this show is pretty inconsistent when it comes to examining the plot points and whatnot. I'd say it's on the verge of being brain dead (yeah, I went there).Quote:
Originally Posted by Agent Sands
Sofia in the barn-no, I have no real problem with it. The only thing I wonder about is why Rick, or somebody else, didn't make the tough decision to go look at the barn for themself to see if Sophia was in there. But I can let that go as the group being so caught up in its own drama that they sort of lost focus in that respect. It definitely explains why, despite Daryl's tracking abilities, they couldn't find her. And it's the only explanation that makes any sense as far as the story mechanics go.Quote:
Originally Posted by HeartlessNinny
And I wouldn't say 'nothing happened' last night.
I generally agree that the season had a slow pace, and that's not good.
But everything built to a formidable head with the barn massacre. There were so many post apocalyptic dystopian themes of humanity and human relationships touched upon in the barn massacre that I felt strong emotional progression of the plot there. My only problem was that the buildup to this crucible was clumsy.
Okay.Quote:
Originally Posted by HeartlessNinny
I don't mean that in a demeaning way.
It didn't work for you. I'm cool with that. I have no real problem with it.
I agree with this. I don't see why they just don't play the whole thing through in one sitting. It helps shows like Sons of Anarchy to tell one entire, uninterrupted story. I think AMC should put their money where their mouth is. They believe in TWD? Great. Keep it running through the holidays. Let's see if it stands up. If it doesn't, then may be they should consider bringing Darabont back.Quote:
Originally Posted by HeartlessNinny
Then my advice is to quit watching. Why watch this show and bitch about it so much? If you don't care, then stop. Is it really worth the frustration?Quote:
Originally Posted by HeartlessNinny
Well, you're missing the point of the dystopian elements, then.Quote:
Originally Posted by HeartlessNinny
Or you're NOT missing them but they aren't appealing to you.
EDIT: To elaborate on my thoughts-
A show like this, a story like this, is as much about emotional and philosophical storytelling as it is about plot progression.
In fact, it's probably MORE about the advancement of relationships and viewpoints than it is about 'where the characters go next.' The comic book's exactly the same way. It's more interesting to me to see how the characters' actions affect their views and relationships with one another, anyway. That is a form of storytelling and it advances an arc, even if they're staying at the farm.
The problem, as I see it, is you complaining that 'it's taking forever to find Sophia' and 'they're just sitting at the farm doing nothing.' I disagree.
What they're doing is telling a story about relationships, not about Rick and the Family Grimes trucking across zombieland getting in undead adventures. The comic is the exact same thing. When adventures happen, it's to put the characters in situations where their perspectives can change based on the decisions they make.
Now, whether you think the show is doing this effectively or not is one thing. But whatever show you're judging...I don't think it's TWD. As I read your comments, it feels to me like you're wanting the show to be something other than what it is.
My advice is for you to go to Alderann and learn the ways of the Force from Obi-Wan, HN. There's nothing for you here now.
"is this about you and the asian boy?"
^__^
I'm getting kind of annoyed reading ninny complain - and I'm not even a huge fan of the show.
That's what I think happened. But I envision Otis going out to hunt. He hears Sophia scream. By the time he gets to her, a zombie bit a chunk of her neck. Otis kills the zombie, and quickly takes her to the barn before she converts to a zombie. Just as he arrives, she wakes up, only to be dropped down with the rest of the zombies in the barn.Quote:
Originally Posted by cdamm
Only problem I have is why Glenn didn't see her when he discovered the zombies in the barn? But I'm not going to over analyze that.
One more thing, I think Darabont was fired around this time during filming (as well as some of the writers). So either the show will improve or get worst when it returns.