yeah I was talking to my cousins about that last night while on the subject of Crixus. He's in 6 episodes, and I like the premise of The Arrow from what I read. I am going to give it a shot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taiso
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yeah I was talking to my cousins about that last night while on the subject of Crixus. He's in 6 episodes, and I like the premise of The Arrow from what I read. I am going to give it a shot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taiso
When Arrow premiered I tuned in for the heck of it and at first thought "this is bullocks!" and stopped watching about 15 - 20min into it. A few months later I was browsing PB for shows to download and for some reason decided to get all of the Arrow episodes up-to-date(I do that with any show I download). The show does have it's cheese factor, but overall it's decent enough to pass time with. Yeah though, Manu Bennet is in it as is Byron Mann(Crying Freeman, Street Fighter, etc...)
well, damn.
they ended a great run of episodes with a bullshit cop out finale.
shit.
Shouldn't they be worried at the Prison that the crazy-ass governor is still out there?
im sure the governor will return at some point
hey, at least we got the end of crazy rick
Now we get crazy CarlQuote:
Originally Posted by lantus360
i thought he was most sane of all.Quote:
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yeah, but he has 2 men left with him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pope Sazae the First
The group was having enough trouble feeding themselves. It's going to be harder when they need to feed the new members.
This finale was terrible. No resolution to the Governor arc, the prison doesn't have much resource to begin with and now they are taking all the weak/old. All the scenes with Andrea were boring or painful to watch, I didn't feel bad for her naivete, so the last scene's emotional impact escaped me. The best moment was when Carl shot the "kid", and the most unintentionally funny moment was when that woman (Karen?) said it was a massacre, yet, no one appeared to be shot during the prison shootout.
It was a massacre though. Just happened after the raid.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lastblade
What Carl did was wrong, and exactly what Rick was fighting against before he went all hardcore loony tunes.
What Carl did was nuts. He shot a person surrendering and his justification was 'I couldn't afford to take a chance.'
The lack of humanity is what makes people like Shane philosophically identical to the walkers. When people are blowing people away 'just to be sure', the world has gone to shit and there's no point in even living anymore.
The sad irony is that Rick was trying to keep Carl alive because he believed in a future. What good is a future if all you're doing is existing?
Don't get me wrong. I loved the idea of Carl shooting the guy from a narrative standpoint. But it further illustrates the irony of Rick saving a bunch of people only to (for now) lose his own son, the sole motivation for him even carrying on.
Don't mind the governor surviving. The show needs a real villain. Otherwise, every episode becomes 'how many bullets and how much food do we have?' or it's just arguments between people to carry drama. The threat of the governor still out there creates extra tension.
The Andrea scenes seemed ultimately pointless and the futility was unnecessary from a narrative standpoint. The darker tones of the story were perfectly hit with Carl's actions and the Governor's final descent into madness. Andrea's fate seems like piling on and they really should have picked a different character in a different sort of peril if they wanted to do something like that.
Mixed grade for a show that continues to be a mixed bag.
carl acted completely right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taiso
'enemy soldier' coming at you. you tell him to drop his weapon. he advances and tries to hand it to you. tell him to drop his weapon again. he takes another step forward. you drop him.
The scene where Milton asked the Governor what his daughter would think perfect counterbalanced Rick's conversation with Carl at the end. No where else in the series have we had that kind of juxtaposition so well played.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taiso
Carl was feeling like he belonged in the battle. So when the opportunity came to 'do his part', he was all too eager.Quote:
Originally Posted by cdamm
We'll never know what the victim was trying to do because he got shot in the face before he could do it. Maybe he was putting the gun down right at Carl's feet. We'll never know because Carl acted like an animal hungry to kill.
the guy actually said 'here take my gun'. he was handing it off. it was probably just shitty writing to get carl to kill a guy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taiso
that was the time where we could have used my zombie merle idea to its fullest.
If the writing wanted Carl to come off as reasonably cautious, the way you are saying, he would have been patiently sitting in the woods for the fight to end. I would have had no problem with him killing the dude if Carl hadn't said 'I should be there' and then the scenario played out exactly the same otherwise.
But the inclusion of that single line turns Carl from a cool headed survivor into little Shane.
And Shane was a serious asshole that needed to die.
I understand Carl's motivation, too. He's seen Rick be merciful/honorable/kind and it's bit the group in the ass many times. Also, Carl sees himself as making all the decisions to protect the group and 'doing what's necessary.' And Carl acted entitled in this episode. As though he had the right to take life because of what he does to protect the group.
All of this is exactly what Shane was doing. And it's all the more frustrating because all of this stuff is happening to Carl while Rick is going through a rough stretch and dealing with a lot of stress, and his head isn't in 'the dad game.'
It's actually really good writing that has three seasons backing it up.
I like the development because for me, the show is and always will be about Rick and Carl. The rest of the characters are just there to enhance that relationship. It could be Michonne, Daryl and Herschel or it could be Boba Fett, Robin Hood and General Zodd. They will still always be second fiddle to Rick and Carl.
I'm not going to say that the finale of season 3 was "terrible", but it was disappointing. The show is obviously not following the comic book accurately(no where near it). It's just that the prison finale in the comic completely blew away the finale of the show. I'm sure those of us who actually read the comic feel the same way.
Thank you. I couldn't believe Hershel saying the kid was surrendering. That sure didn't look like surrendering to me. He should have dropped the shotty and put his hands up, not slowly approach them. Carl is my favorite character after that scene.Quote:
Originally Posted by cdamm
SO disappointed...
I really hope they do not continue the prison much into season 4.
You might still get that insane prison fight, since they didn't leave it at the end of the episode.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zardoz
I see a few other people complaining about the lack of an insane prison battle but really, I just see that as people being angry because they didn't get what they were building themselves up to expect.
It's probably still coming, but now it'll be next year, after the governor spends a little time building up his resources. In this, it'll mirror the comic because he'll have been gone fora while and then suddenly show up ready for round two. The only difference is that we never expected him to return in the comic after what Michonne put him through.
I wonder if the governor will be all messed up when he returns, like he was in the comic (albeit for different reasons?)
Herschel said the kid was surrendering because the kid was surrendering.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wachenroder
When somebody tells you to drop your weapon, you drop it. You don't hand it off, you don't slowly move forward to put it at their feet, you don't do any of that shit. ESPECIALLY after you and a team of wannabe mercenaries overrun a group's home with guns blazing. I'm 100% with Carl. This wasn't killing for the sake of being an asshole. The guy came to the prison with a whole arsenal of weapons and people to try and eradicate them.
He SO wasn't surrendering...he was gonna try his luck and make a move on Carl (who had his gun drawn) and then finish off Hershel who was already hesitating.
Kid characters are usually a PITA to watch; as late as season 2 Carl was pretty much an AMC Bao....I prefer him as in ice cold killer any day.
Herschel isn't going to let Beth go out with Carl as long as he's like this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spoon
Also, is it just me, or is Beth getting younger on the show? It's like they are telegraphing next season's hot young romance.
Same thing I was thinking, she didnt look that young in the farm part, but I think Carl shooting that kid was the best thing I seem so far come out of him, that other kid should of dropped the gun if he was going to surrender.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xander Crews
The mechanics of the story and the juxtapositions the narrative is establishing are at odds with your very real world view of this situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by SonGohan