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So, I'm pretty damn excited for this, and am considering selling a variety of things to nail down a Wii and a copy of it. In honor of this, I figured we'd vote on what you think the best Treasure release of all time is...
Totally accepting write-ins, but I figured I'd post what are pretty much their five most talked-about titles.
Had to got with Gunstar Heroes as it is easily the game on this list that I've spent the most time with. I love Gunstar Heroes.
However, I recently started playing Gradius V a lot, I've owned it since it came out but never put much time into it for whatever reason. What a fantastic game.
Are there weapons tiers for Gradius V?
Radiant Silvergun
GunBeat.
Radiant Silvergun
Only played anything apart from Ikaruga very briefly, so Ikaruga, and I don't even like that very much.
S+P seemed alright but I was playing it on VC with the classic controller, and it sucks with that. GV is pretty cool but I'm not the biggest fan of hori shooters.
Mmmh...Astro Boy: Omega Factor.
Then, maybe Silhouette Mirage.
Out of the five in Loopz's poll, Gradius V, followed by Ikaruga and then Gunstar Heroes. But who the fuck knows, stuff like this changes on a daily basis and just how I feel in that moment.
Sadly I have yet to beat S&P despite owning it since Christmas and I've never played Guardian Heroes.
I Absolutely LOVE Guardian Heroes! What an awesome beat'em up! :buttrock:
I remember Johnny and Rob doing an excellent job with their review for the game and decided to look it up for you guys. Here is a link!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bBdP...os=dSKC1ly9n6g
That game is excellent! Truly one of my fav GBA games of all time. Seemed a tad short though, if I remember correctly.Quote:
Originally Posted by LoneSage
Not really if you wanted to do everything you could and play on the hardest setting.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeoTurfMasta
That's very likely my favorite Treasure title.
I'm happy to see radiant silvergun didn't make the list. What a piece of shit.
When does the new sin n punishment come out for the wii?please don't say it comes out the same day as deathsmiles cuz I'm going to be broke=(is it true that it doesn't support classic controls?
I voted gunstar heroes I played that the most out of those releases gueardian heroes comes in a close second.
I don't share that opinion at all, but I just feel like they've made better games.Quote:
Originally Posted by moonwhistle
*shrugs*
Gradius V, for me, is the pinnacle of their games. The fact that they could inject that much life and beauty into a franchise that, frankly, had become unbelievably stale is definitely a testament to their talent. It's not only the best Gradius title, but it's arguably the best horizontal shooter ever released.
BTW, I reject the phrase 'shmup'. It's shooter. Period. These games were around long before Doom all the other FPS games would come down the pike.
There was an interview with somebody from Treasure saying they've never heard of the word "Shmup" and your better off saying Shooter or another phrase in Japanese. Of the game's in Loopz's poll I took Gunstar. Best five bucks I ever spent on a game.
But when it comes to Treasure its so hard to pick ONE good game from them. The Bleach DS games were amazing fighters, Raident Silvergun and Gradius V are amazing shooters and Astroboy and Guardian Heroes are amazing beat em' ups. You really can't go wrong with them. Even a game like Stretch Panic is still better then most shit gaming companies put out.
I've had Deathsmiles on preorder since April, but I have a 20 dollar off code from buying Galaxy 2, so I'm going to use that for S&P2 when I'm finished with Deathsmiles and Galaxy 2.
Sin and Punishment 2 comes out on Sunday. I have a deep backlog, but I'm buying it day one to support the developers.
If you pre-order at Gamestop, you get a 500 point card and a poster.
Let it be said I'm also pretty high on Gunstar right now, I managed to find a complete copy for three dollars at a local hole-in-the-wall the other day, which was pretty awesome. It's competing for time with MUSHA right now on the Genny. ;)
wanted to say gradius v; but being honest with myself its ikaruga. the game's level of intelligence borders on insanity.
Alien Soldier, but fuck me its tough.
Ikaruga or Dynamite Heddy.
honestly, you really should pick up a Wii. Punch Out, the new Metroid and Sin & Punishment 2 are reason enough to get the console.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loopz
On topic, I voted for Sin & Punishment. I'll get a ton of heat for this, but it is easily my favorite rails shooter. Stage 4, where you break off a piece of an aircraft carrier, is absolutely amazing.
I think the split with the votes here is really telling. Picking your favorite Treasure game is like picking between your own children. It would be even more fractured if Radiant Silvergun and Astro Boy were on the list.
I still don't think anyone would pick Mischief Makers or Stretch Panic though. :emb:
Equally interesting would be trying to pick their WORST game.
Ikaruga, but not by a long shot.
I am a big fan of Alien Soldier as well, and have a lot of fun with Gunstar and Dynamite Heady.
Sin and Punishment was a fantastic game, and I can't wait until Sunday. But there is something special about Ikaruga which beats out the rest for me.
Nary a mention of Yu Yu Hakusho for the MD, what the heck is going on here? In the top notch realm of Treasure's groundbreakers, nothing matches that title for sheer replay value(via the 2 & 4P versus modes) in my book. When it comes to the myriad of 90s console exclusive fighters, I'm hard pressed to name another specimen from the 16-bit era that hooked me from day one and(thankfully)hasn't lost its luster fifteen years later.
Radiant Silvergun. I had a chance to play Sin and Punishment 2 yesterday...definitely a lot of fun.
I very liked that Wario game they made for the Gamecube. Very underrated game.
I felt the same way back when it came out. Played the damn thing for a month straight, everyday after school, with the surround sound on and everything. The first time I saw the opening to the second stage, and I saw the future Vic Viper come right beside the VV you're playing and say 'we need to work together to defeat this'...man, I just lost my shit and started yelling. What an awesome moment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loopz
Beautiful game, beautiful music, everything.
A few years pass and I start seeing how...sterile the game looks compared to its predecessors. I know Tak agrees with me on this, how 'bland' and 'metallic' a lot of the stages look. Still a great game.
On a sidenote, I pre-ordered GV and got the Breakdown DVD, where I saw footage of Salamander for the first time, which made me decide right then and there I'd start buying import games. Three months later I decide to join this forum solely for that purpose and here I am.
So you guys all have Gradius V to thank for me being here. Otherwise I would have never been.
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Never played it myself but I can only imagine Light Crusader as the only acceptable choice. I heard Ronald's McDonaldland Adventure or whatever was an ok-ish platformer.Quote:
Equally interesting would be trying to pick their WORST game.
I forgot about Astro Boy. I bought that last year for a really cheap price, like ten bucks. Definitely one of the better gaming purchases I ever made.
Guardian Heroes is one of my all time favorite games. The multiplayer modes are so much fun.:vik:
Rakugaki Showtime!
Of those games listed, I'd go with Guardian Heroes. Talk about putting new life into a stale genre. Side scrolling beat 'em ups were dead before that game came along.
I don't know about that. Guardians/Denjin Makai II (1995) totally upped the ante in terms of play style when beat 'em ups were dead. And really, beat 'em ups remained "dead' even after Guardian Heroes..Quote:
Originally Posted by J. Max
EDIT: I guess I have a bit of a negative bias against the game. I love beat 'em ups, Treasure and the Saturn..but GH never blew me away. Maybe I just need to keep playing it. BTW...Treasure's Yu Yu Hakusho was the Guardian Heroes engine/frame work in 1994...it's a weird experience playing that game.
"Father. Why do humans fight? And why does it never end?"
"Because it's the fate of humanity, Tobio...A flame of passion exists in us that can even brighten the darkest future.
But this flame can also burn out, leaving an empty void.
Humans are lost.
Alone, they struggle in the darkness, and hurt themselves in fear.
They don't know where they came from or where they're going.
...They need a friend. A friend who can help support them in this darkness.
So I've decided to create a guide for us. Stronger than any man or robot."
"What's its name?"
"Astro...That's his name. A star to shine above us to guide us all. He will stand by our side at all times. No matter how weak we become. He'll always be with you."
"OK, dad! I'll be with Astro wherever I go! I will be with him wherever I go."
"Tobio, can you see him? It's Astro. Astro's here. Astro, you must exceed the limitations that humans cannot! You must go beyond nationality, ethnicity, philosophy and religion, starvation and poverty, and war! Exceed these limitations created by man! You must fly high! Higher than any human has ever flown before! To reach for the future that no human has been able to so far!"
What about Bangai-oh?!? (on DC) Loved everything about that game.
Does Super Castlevania IV count? Loved everything about that game too!
Those and Ikaruga are my favorites.... And Mischief Makers... Didn't play the Saturn Treasure games though.
And Sin and Punishment is super dope. Like, every Treasure game is my favorite Treasure game.
I guess I'd pick Super CV4 though if it came down to it. Then Bangai-oh. Then Mischief Makers (lol). Then Ikaruga. Then the rest.
I still would love to see Treasure make a real sequel or remake of Guardian Heroes. I didn't care much for the GBA game since I played the hell out of my friend's imported Saturn version. I wish the game didn't cost so damn much because I'd love to play through the game in English. My friend was insane with Randy and I loved Serena because she could do a little of everything.
Considering how Beat em' Ups have been doing on Live, Guardian Heroes would be perfect for it. Just sucks because I know they'll NEVER do it.
SUPER CASTLEVANIA IV IS KONAMI AND YOU KNOW IT GODDAMMITQuote:
Originally Posted by Hippee
On the strenth. Lets not open that jar of pickles, m'kay? Jesus, every K game a future treasure member worked on. . .it boggles the mind. Does tweeking the controls on Silpheed PS2 count then? Depending on where we draw the line, there are many more 'Treasure' games than those that sport the Logo.Quote:
Originally Posted by LoneSage
I seriously cannot decide which game is best off that list. I own and love every single one of them except for Sin and Punishment. I sadly never played that game. And I don't own a Wii nor do I have any intention of ever owning one... fuck.
From what I played of it on the Wii, S&P is pretty flippin' amazing.Quote:
Originally Posted by subcons
I just dug out one of my two old N64s and my import copy of the original S and P. And then I took an hour to sort through about a dozen boxes and duffel bags to find my converter (I had some idea but not sure as to where in the hell I put that thing when I moved here two years ago).
And now I'm playing through Sin and Punishment again, and it is glorious. That's my pick.
I actually picked up a goddamn Wii again for the sequel.
objectively i realize [like you all should] ikaruga is their best, but
gradius v .... is unreal
seriously. but it wouldve made this harderQuote:
Originally Posted by wasabi
Alien Soldier is goddamned amazing. I'm surprised no one else has mentioned it...Quote:
Originally Posted by Phosis
And this thread reminds me that I still need to get the GBA Astro Boy. Dang.
soldier is another level of difficult.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ted Nugent
im convinced very few people even have it in them to figure out the controls, and thats why its left out of most discussions.
im usually the first person to endorse the gratuitous overcomplification of controls, but Soldier borders on the obscene.
theoretically, its my favorite Treasure game.
The learning curve for AS is steep, but once you 'get' it, it's glorious. A magnificent way for Treasure to leave the Genesis, a real love-letter.
Soldier's controls aren't too complicated and feel very comfortable once you get to spend some time perfecting your playthrough.
A lot of the game requires similar types of commands to succeed and you'll find yourself mastering things in no time. If you can beat the (fucking incredble) Tiger dude on top of the airplane, you know enough about the controls and you can beat the game.
Trial and error after that.
There are sports games that I feel have more difficult controls.
Anyways, Alien Soldier is an arcade game that could only exist on a console, and that makes it awesome.
So how is the new S&P? I don't trust reviews generally, and especially not for an "enthusiast" game. Is it worth $50?
I think that's the point 'Sage and Kid Aphex are making (and one I agree with): the controls are crazily complicated until they aren't. The game has a really steep learning curve, and there's a lot more nuance to the controls than there are in other side scrolling shooters. I don't know if I'd call it difficult, but it's complex and hard to grasp. It's for die-hard shooting fans only, that's for sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Clarence Boddicker
(I haven't beaten the Tiger dude on the plane, by the way. :emb:)
Anyway. I'm with Ghost Dog. Who's playing this? Is it good? How good?
Alien Soldier followed by Gunstar Heroes.
Sadly best I can do is get to 7 force Kaede in alien soldier
p.s. G rev also worked on Gradius V so it's not all Treasure.
I guess the point I was trying to make is that even though they ARE complex controls, they clicked and felt pretty natural, as far as 2D gaming goes. Instead of spreading controls over 6 buttons, they used the three available on the standard pad very well.
AS could have had the same controls spread over the six button pad and I would have probably been frustrated with it.
The one thing I would change would be using the mode button as a toggle for fixed and free shooting. But switching into the mode with :down::B: is fine.
I was gonna pass on this and wait till it dropped to $20, but wanted to support treasure so I picked it up.
Graphics are excellent. Controls cramp up your hands with the classic controller. I've only played a little bit of the original though. I'll try it later with the Mote and Nunchuck.
Challenging game, even on easy, but not impossible.
Definitely get it if you're a fan of rail shooters.
I didn't get my poster with my pre-order, only the $5 card.
Can we get some one else who isn't a complete retard give their opinion?