Anyone looking forward to Tekken 6?

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Originally Posted by SPINMASTER X

In my honest opinion, they'd just have to make a new system that borrows a little bit from both. However the biggest problem is that damn Guard button. Tekken characters could prosper with it and without it, however VF characters can't be played properly without a guard button. Man just the thought of that game makes my head hurt.

It's crazy that 2 series have soooo much in common and so much that separates them.

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Both fighters for the most part have exactly the same features, but are executed differently. The Guard button can easily be omitted.

I think the hardest thing in VF is the (Open Stance) and (Closed Stance) features. Mostly applied to juggles. They have no significance in the Tekken universe. Similarly off-axis juggle starters (a juggle started on an opponents side or back) have no significance in the VF universe.

A lot of the balance seen in Tekken these days as in 5 and onwards were ideas taken from VF. So it's not surprising that some VF players would look down on Tekken.

For those new to Tekken here is a decent video series to give you the heads up on the basics: http://www.youtube.com/user/LevelUpYourGame Go to the Tekken 6 Episode 1 breakdowns. It is in 5 roughly 10 minute segments.

@Asmoday, thanks for that link.

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Originally Posted by BigFred

Both fighters for the most part have exactly the same features, but are executed differently. The Guard button can easily be omitted.

I think the hardest thing in VF is the (Open Stance) and (Closed Stance) features. Mostly applied to juggles. They have no significance in the Tekken universe. Similarly off-axis juggle starters (a juggle started on an opponents side or back) have no significance in the VF universe.

A lot of the balance seen in Tekken these days as in 5 and onwards were ideas taken from VF. So it's not surprising that some VF players would look down on Tekken.

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OK yeah they could remove it, I think I was overreacting but I guarantee a lot of VF players would be super pissed because because a lot of players buffer moves from a guard especially Akira, Wolf and Goh players. Guard cancels in float combos/juggles probably wouldn't be missed because that'd be one less thing to do.

Open and closed stances probably wouldn't be missed. I'm sure they could just make the VF characters stay in one stance all the time.

Throw escapes would be a big fuckin problem.

I just know if they made this game there would be a lot of pissed off people. Like I said they'd have to make a new system native to that game with some borrowed elements to make the players feel at home.

I finally picked this up yesterday for 360. In a word. Awesome. I love the amount of love NAMCO puts in Tekken. Amazing.

Just so you guys know be leery of the "level up your game" tutorial on Youtube. there is some wrong info in there.


http://forums.shoryuken.com/showpost...7&postcount=55

http://www.youtube.com/comment_servl...%3DZM7Z53XPjV4

http://www.youtube.com/comment_servl...%3DL3DT6-oOZro

I myself also questioned some of their nomenclature on video no. 5 even though I'm pretty rusty and out of it when it comes to Tekken these days. I'm trying to get myself back up to par.

On and on a side note, 3 of my young cousins also play and the real shocker is the youngest one and 11 year old girl Is a Zafina player who only likes to play on an arcade stick. What's an even bigger shocker is that she knows what she is don't and doesn't mindlessly smash buttons. She is only 11 and uses mind games and mixups!

They definitely needed to do multiple takes and splice the various best runs together, but its a youtube video on a fighting game that featured at least one guy that seemed very uncomfortable in front of a camera. I didn't expect much polish going in though so I overlooked a lot. I also noticed a number of moments when they got hung up on some terminology that really didn't matter as much as what the effect was. When it comes to how many hits you can attain on a juggle against the wall max and how a bound move resets it etc I am clueless so I just took their word for it. I never played T6 before it came out on the consoles and haven't totally invested my time in a Tekken since Tag so I know less about the current state of the game than they do I would assume. I could easily see them saying something that was incorrect and me completely missing it.

Overall it was still a decent video for people who know nothing of the series and would like to get a grasp of the very basics before playing it in vs, but don't want to spend hours in the practice mode just testing various button combinations.

Yes It's not a completely wasted series. I still think it's decent especially for people new to the series but for the veterans who are getting back into the game like myself it makes you raise your eye brows.

I didn't have any problems with them when I asked them about "Absorb" moves but my homie said that they get offended when you try to correct them. I think everyone should be open to feedback.

Yeah, that portion dealing with the idea of a move that absords a hit that tried to flow into talking about specials that parry and attack was awkward, but again... they seem to have done this in 1 take and stuff like that happens when you get on camera and "wing it".

Glad I'm not the only one who saw something awkward with that portion of the video. I honestly started to question myself just a bit cuz I'm not the smartest.

By the way have you seen the Item moves video? that shit is wacky as hell. Originally when i saw it i was pissed but when I realized that these item moves either have the slowest startup known to man or barely take any damage at all I enjoyed it more.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FZlrIHOylo

craziness! Paul's hair growing taller with each move is ridiculous.

I really wish the scenario mode wasn't here. Who actually likes this? I am only playing it to unlock stuff. Other than that I could care less for the scenario mode.

I actually had not seen 90% of those. I only really knew about Bryan's shotgun, Paul's hair and the devil mask that allows Jin, I think, to do the eye lasers of DJ. Cool vid, thanks.

Finally went through the scenario mode. Fighting Alisa was one of the biggest pains in the ass. Right now I am trying to beat the Nightmare train stage. :lolz: Like that's ever going to happen, shit.

I love playing Tekken with some challenge and all, but what is up with this ultimate pain in the ass challenge stuff to unlock story and characters? It seems like it gets harder in every game. It is easier to unlock Gouken and Akuma in SF4 and even that was hard.

I am having less trouble beating Azazel now that I have gotten better with all the characters moves. Keep on coming with the ground 2 hit combos and you can hit him a lot of times. I use his teleport attack against him and sneak up behind.

I really need to get some 2 player action on this game. I hope my friend and his brothers who play like they have a Tekken tournament themselves bought this. I like the changed moves, it might be the only time I beat the younger brother who used to play nothing but Tekken everyday and beat anyone's ass down.

I love scenario mode. It's a cheapo beat-em-up that allows me to take my favorite Tekken characters through the streets and beat people up. Sure it's not the best thing ever but I it's better than nothing.

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Originally Posted by SNKNostalgia

Finally went through the scenario mode. Fighting Alisa was one of the biggest pains in the ass. Right now I am trying to beat the Nightmare train stage. :lolz: Like that's ever going to happen, shit.

I love playing Tekken with some challenge and all, but what is up with this ultimate pain in the ass challenge stuff to unlock story and characters? It seems like it gets harder in every game. It is easier to unlock Gouken and Akuma in SF4 and even that was hard.

I am having less trouble beating Azazel now that I have gotten better with all the characters moves. Keep on coming with the ground 2 hit combos and you can hit him a lot of times. I use his teleport attack against him and sneak up behind.

I really need to get some 2 player action on this game. I hope my friend and his brothers who play like they have a Tekken tournament themselves bought this. I like the changed moves, it might be the only time I beat the younger brother who used to play nothing but Tekken everyday and beat anyone's ass down.

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We have a Mississippi thread at Tekken Zaibatsu and Your location says Hattiesburg which is only like 45-50 minutes away from us. One of these days you should come and play with us. Come to think of it they have players in H-burg as well.

This Saturday we are going to a Tekken Tournament in New Orleans. Gotta make sure Feng puts the fear in everyone's heart.

Cool man, sounds good. The friends I am talking about that play all the time are in Meridian. I am in Meridian for a few days visiting my parents right now. What sucks is that all 3 brothers having different time schedules. So it will be hard to have an old beat down session like we use to do.

I wasn't aware of get togethers in our area. I tend to go to New Orleans for festivals or small club venues like House of Blues, One Eyed Jack's, etc... On November 29th I am going to see Metric at the Republic. $15 a ticket, gotta love small venues in NO. They are a really good Canadian Rock band with their own style and sound. Check out their stuff on Youtube, especially the Live on Myspace videos. Freddie is one of the good ones.

yeah just go to the "Matchfinder" area and look for Mississippi.

I'm always in New Orleans doing something, whether its for Capoeira or a concert. I love that place.

on another note:

L-O-L
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdOWYEVAu4s

hey i havent noticed to much talk on the collectors edition.....anybody know if its worth it?how is the hori wireless stick? is the package worth 149.99?

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Originally Posted by evil son

hey i havent noticed to much talk on the collectors edition.....anybody know if its worth it?how is the hori wireless stick? is the package worth 149.99?

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for the love of god, please stay the hell away from that stick

a wireless POS is still a POS

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Originally Posted by galfordo

for the love of god, please stay the hell away from that stick

a wireless POS is still a POS

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lol thx for telling me man you jus saved me 149.99 dollars im just get the standard and get dj hero with it instead.:buttrock:

I heard that wireless stick drains batteries like no tomorrow so yea, fuck that stick. I haven't heard anything really spectacular about it's performance either.

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Originally Posted by SPINMASTER X

L-O-L
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdOWYEVAu4s

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oh what the fuck :lolz:

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Originally Posted by SPINMASTER X

I heard that wireless stick drains batteries like no tomorrow so yea, fuck that stick. I haven't heard anything really spectacular about it's performance either.

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i was about to buy it too im a sucker for collectors editions thx for the input ill just get me a new hori stick with the game

Did I mention that other than Scenario Mode I fucking love this game! It is fun and overall the visuals are great! Bob is a hoot to play! So far I am also really digging Miguel(since he has my namesake!) and you can make him look sorta like Rocky Balboa lol.

I can't wait till this weekend to get in some couch time with Chunky Lover53 and Loopz.

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Originally Posted by MilkManX

couch time with Chunky Lover53 and Loopz.

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There are no losers in gay chicken.

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:drool_2:

There are no losers in gay chicken.

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Speak for yourself. :confused:

I won 2 and lost 2 at the tournament. We arrived at the tournament early so we could ask them to divide it into Mississippi vs Louisiana and they said "sorry, it'll be random" So we just accepted it and went about our business until the tournament started and somehow most of us were playing each other. For some reason too the brackets made it so a handful of people get a "bye" and advance to the next round but the best guy there got 2 byes and got to watch everybody play.

In the end That guy with 2 byes won the tournament and Mississippi took 2nd and 3rd place. I'm not too happy about it. I didn't like playing a fellow Mississippian in the first round. Yeah I destroyed 2 Louisiana people in the tourney one of which I got a perfect on but it wasn't enough for me.

We're gonna host a tourney here in Mississippi and we're gonna do it the right way.

Can someone help me with the Azazel stage in SC? I got past Azazel through dumb luck, and in the moment afterwards, I couldn't get out in time before the pillars fell on me. :help:

The finals: HotBoyRob from Louisiana(Nina) vs Kong from Mississippi(Paul)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2cYhfGkL9s

I was on the edge of my seat the whole fuckin time.

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Can someone help me with the Azazel stage in SC? I got past Azazel through dumb luck, and in the moment afterwards, I couldn't get out in time before the pillars fell on me. :help:

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All I can tell you is to just keep running. If you keep getting beat up up by the guys then make sure you switch to whatever badguy that alisa is fighting that makes things go quicker and it keeps her alive.

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Originally Posted by ferrarimanf355

Can someone help me with the Azazel stage in SC? I got past Azazel through dumb luck, and in the moment afterwards, I couldn't get out in time before the pillars fell on me. :help:

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You have enough time to dispose the enemies before the pillars fall. Every character has a quick "power hit" which will instantly kill an enemy. Usually D+1+2 or F+1+2. Alternatively, if you can't kill them. Hold L1 (PS3) to manually move your character towards the front and to stop yourself from targetting enemies. Though by this stage in Scenario mode you should already know what your characters quick finishers are...

@ Spin:
Interesting match. The Nina player was using the "Japanese" combo from Tekken 5 days. I couldn't tell if the Paul player was screwing up his just frames or doing it on purpose. There were more f,f+2,1's than f,f+2:1's from the Paul player.

Having said that, many veteran players will duck the 2nd hit of the Just frame version on reaction and launch punish. So some Paul players will refrain from using the Just Frame for this reason. He also missed the "blue sparkles" on his d+4,2:1+2 quite a bit (but that's pretty common). He used d+1+2 way too often as well which is horribly unsafe. I could pick apart his game further but well....

I'm not trying to diss the Paul player here, but you could tell the Nina player was more skilled. Then again tourny conditions usually make you play worse than normal.

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Originally Posted by BigFred

You have enough time to dispose the enemies before the pillars fall. Every character has a quick "power hit" which will instantly kill an enemy. Usually D+1+2 or F+1+2. Alternatively, if you can't kill them. Hold L1 (PS3) to manually move your character towards the front and to stop yourself from targetting enemies. Though by this stage in Scenario mode you should already know what your characters quick finishers are...

@ Spin:
Interesting match. The Nina player was using the "Japanese" combo from Tekken 5 days. I couldn't tell if the Paul player was screwing up his just frames or doing it on purpose. There were more f,f+2,1's than f,f+2:1's from the Paul player.

Having said that, many veteran players will duck the 2nd hit of the Just frame version on reaction and launch punish. So some Paul players will refrain from using the Just Frame for this reason. He also missed the "blue sparkles" on his d+4,2:1+2 quite a bit (but that's pretty common). He used d+1+2 way too often as well which is horribly unsafe. I could pick apart his game further but well....

I'm not trying to diss the Paul player here, but you could tell the Nina player was more skilled. Then again tourny conditions usually make you play worse than normal.

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we haven't been to a tourney in a while so everyone was rusty as hell and tourney nerves definitely screwed up our game. He usually get's the just frame blue sparkles though. He wasn't too pleased with himself when he saw the videos. LOL

That Nina player is a mofo though. He's also a pretty sick Baek player as well.

Been playing quite a bit and still only decent with Bruce and Bryan. Barely scratched the tip of this iceberg.

I keep reading this thread everyday and it pains me that I can't play this great game yet. Christmas can't come soon enough.

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Originally Posted by SPINMASTER X

we haven't been to a tourney in a while so everyone was rusty as hell and tourney nerves definitely screwed up our game. He usually get's the just frame blue sparkles though. He wasn't too pleased with himself when he saw the videos. LOL

That Nina player is a mofo though. He's also a pretty sick Baek player as well.

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I know what you mean. My best matches in tourneys are all in exhibition normally.

I've been learning Miguel, Zafina and Julia. I want to learn Yoshimitsu, Dragunov and Ganryu. I'm thinking of dropping King even though I love the look of his new Wall Splat Throw. The only character in the entire cast which I loathe with a passion is Leo. Not very original at all.

My thoughts on the newcomers: -
Miguel - Very easy to use, but also hard to land a juggle starter against those who know him quite well. Aside from that, the character is very strong and his staple juggles can be easily changed to allow for Wall combos.
Current staple:
:downf:+2,1 :downf:+1~:forw:, SAV :downf:+1, :downf:+4,1, :downf:+2,2(B!) Dash :downf:+4,1,1

Zafina - Great character, but I can see why they put her at the bottom of the tier list. Most of her standard launchers can be launch punished on block. She has some great poke strings and TRT stance will go under almost anything including some special mid attacks.
Current staple
:downf:+2, :upf:+1, 1+2(B) :upf:+1, :forw:+2,3 SCR 3+4~:down: This combo ends in Mantis stance for Oki :)

Got to play this a bit tonight, I really dig the new animation system. The characters seem to flow very well.

I think I'm going to sell my 360 version and get this game on PS3, seems like more of the Tekken scene has that one.

at the moment I'm starting to get super pissed off and my friends are a bit disappointed in me I think.

In 4 I dropped Mishimas cuz I didn't like the way they played. So I mained Lee Chaolan and vibed really well with the character.

In 5/DR I had to drop Lee and Mishimas again cuz i didn't like the way they played and very very late in the game i picked up Feng Wei cuz I always liked his character design

Now in Tekken 6 as I've explored Feng a lot more I'm finding that he isn't as strong as I thought he was. He's definitely not anywhere close to his strength in 5 and DR. I'm also trying to sidestep like I did in earlier tekken games and I'm finding that this tracking shit is pissing me off more and more and more and now they have moves with that white effect that can't be sidestepped.

It's like the more i play the more things I find that piss me the fuck off. Feng is the only character I care alot about in this game. I like Baek a lot but not enough to main him. A lot of characters I used to use are weird and different and I just can't find any that interest me like Feng does.

I know this is gonna sound crazy but I'm pretty close to giving up tekken again.

Played 6 for the first time. I use Bob. I'm maining bob. I like that bob.

I have only played Bob a few times but he is fun!

My main right now is Miguel but I also like Paul,Yosh and Raven.

:mr_t:

And my Blu Ray drive crapped out last night. Good times.....

Going to try cleaning the lens before sending it off to Sony and getting charged like $150 to fix it. Hopefully they will even fix mine as its a Japanese system.

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Originally Posted by SPINMASTER X

Now in Tekken 6 as I've explored Feng a lot more I'm finding that he isn't as strong as I thought he was. He's definitely not anywhere close to his strength in 5 and DR. I'm also trying to sidestep like I did in earlier tekken games and I'm finding that this tracking shit is pissing me off more and more and more and now they have moves with that white effect that can't be sidestepped.

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Tracking was a big issue in previous Tekken games. I have no complaints about homing moves. Besides they're usually high moves and have to be done at close range to connect.

I guess my biggest complaint in this Tekken is that the risk/reward factor tends to benefit the turtlers. You can easily run into a random hopkick late in the match and lose 3/4 of your health bar or more for 1 mistake and that's without rage. If you get up wrong that's your entire life-bar gone. It seems being a pitbull can get you killed quite quickly.

Feng's game in the past was all about his Oki. In fact his Wake-up games were rated at 5/5. I have no idea how this has changed in 6 however.

OH dear god...what the hell is this bullshit they call a story mode?


Why did they even bother putting that garbage in the game? It's awful!

Yeah I dont care for the story mode myself. I mainly just do the offline ghost mode and then vs when I get to play locally with Loopz or Chunky Lover 53.

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Originally Posted by BigFred

Tracking was a big issue in previous Tekken games. I have no complaints about homing moves. Besides they're usually high moves and have to be done at close range to connect.

I guess my biggest complaint in this Tekken is that the risk/reward factor tends to benefit the turtlers. You can easily run into a random hopkick late in the match and lose 3/4 of your health bar or more for 1 mistake and that's without rage. If you get up wrong that's your entire life-bar gone. It seems being a pitbull can get you killed quite quickly.

Feng's game in the past was all about his Oki. In fact his Wake-up games were rated at 5/5. I have no idea how this has changed in 6 however.

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yes tracking was an issue in previous games too but to me it seems like since tag it has gotten worse with each game.

I fully agree with your risk/reward statement. Feng could be a monster in DR but in 6 all I do is get punished. It seems like everytime I attack I get hit or I trade hits. His main punishing tool which is CH b1 then B1+2 is a little harder to pull off this time. His hopkick sucks balls because you literallly have to be about to kiss your opponent's face for it to connect. I could go on and on but I don't feel like it.

Once I get momentum I usually can destroy my opponent but that's the problem, getting the momentum.

None of my local friends like tekken :(

Patch coming on Turkey Day!

http://kotaku.com/5411777/tekken-6-o...n-thanksgiving

I will be on 360 if anyone wants to fight.

:mr_t:

Hopefully I can get my PS3 fixed soon. I miss this game.

Can someone break down the buttons for me I see the combos you posted up but idk what's hit up and 3 then foward 3...aka I'm a noob when it comes to tekken..I'm using lars now my friend who plays better than me and more experienced in tekken said I should leard how to fight with an easier character then the rest should fall through is this true?

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Can someone break down the buttons for me I see the combos you posted up but idk what's hit up and 3 then foward 3...aka I'm a noob when it comes to tekken..I'm using lars now my friend who plays better than me and more experienced in tekken said I should leard how to fight with an easier character then the rest should fall through is this true?

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I started to type out all of the notations but tekken has so fuckin many that I broke down and just decided to copy something from a FAQ

1 = left punch
2 = right punch
3 = left kick
4 = right kick

*-*-*-MOVEMENT CONVENTIONS-*-*-*

f - tap forward once d/f - tap down/forward once
b - tap backwards once d/b - tap down/back once
d - tap down once u/f - tap up/forward once
u - tap up once u/b - tap up/back once

F - Hold stick forward D/F - Hold stick down/forward
B - Hold stick back D/B - Hold stick down/back
D - Hold stick down U/F - Hold stick up/forward
U - Hold stick up U/B - Hold stick up/back

N - Neutral joystick position (Joystick is not touched)
SS - Short Sidestep (u,N or d,N)
QCF - Quarter circle forward (Circle stick from down to forward)
QCB - Quarter circle back (Circle stick from down to back)
HCF - Half circle forward (Circle stick from back to down to forward)
HCB - Half circle back (Circle stick from forward to down to back)


*-*-*-LINKING & SPECIAL CONVENTIONS-*-*-*

+ - Moves must be done together
, - Moves must be done right after the other
~ - Moves must be done IMMEDIATELY after the other
_ - Or (When used between two moves, they are interchangeable)
> - Move following the > has the option of being slightly delayed
: - Move Following the : has to be precision timed to execute (Just Frame)
# - Hold movement before the '#' until the end of string or until N (Neutral)
FC - Do move while in a full-crouched position
WS - Do move While standing up (Returning the stick to neutral from a crouch)
RN - While running (f,f,f or f,F#)
BT - Back turned towards opponent
FD/FT - Lying on the ground Face Down / Feet Towards opponent
FD/FA - " " Face Down / Feet Away from opponent
FU/FT - " " Face Up / Feet Towards opponent
FU/FA - " " Face Up / Feet Away from opponent
CH - Counterhit (Hitting your opponent during their move execution)
Clean - Clean Hit (Hitting your opponent from a very close range)
[] - Brackets surrounding an item indicate an optional output or stance name
() - Parenthesis is to group moves together for easier reading
{} - Curved brackets indicate the buttons needed to break a throw
. - Pause 1/3 a second between button presses (Tenstring timings only)
(B!) - BOUNDING RE-JUGGLE (Sample Juggles only)

*-*-*-ATTACK STATUS CONVENTIONS-*-*-*

*Juggles* - Move knocks opponent into the air, allowing for additional hits
*Stuns* - Opponent will be stunned after the move hits
*Parries* - Move will auto-negate an opponent's incoming attack
*Cancels* - Move can be stopped before execution
*Agaist Wall* - Move must be done with your back against a wall
*Unblockable* - Move cannot be blocked
*BOUNDS* - WHEN MOVE IS USED TO END A JUGGLE, OPPONENT WILL BE RE-JUGGLED UP



yes you could lean towards an easier character but still play who you like.

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Can someone break down the buttons for me I see the combos you posted up but idk what's hit up and 3 then foward 3...aka I'm a noob when it comes to tekken..I'm using lars now my friend who plays better than me and more experienced in tekken said I should leard how to fight with an easier character then the rest should fall through is this true?

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It can be a lot easier to learn the overall system if you choose a less complex character who can still win. Stay away from characters that have stances and Paul since he has compicated timing on combo finishers if the game feels overwhelming. There are a lot of characters that have a solid simplistic game, but can be played at higher levels of competition as well. I know its cliche and everyone uses him, but Bryan is a good example. He has powerful moves, easy enough combos, speed and a decent high/low mix up. Then when you are accustomed to all that you get to add in his taunt on opponent wake ups for more 50/50 scenarios. I can't even do that worth a shit.

There are also naming conventions that are used specifically for each character. In the combo I posted with Zafina

SCR = Scarecrow Stance (3+4) then there are:
MNT = Mantis Stance (d+3+4)
TRT = Tarantula Stance (d+1+2)

then there are certain moves that have been given names as well eg.
Nina
WTF = Wipe The Floor - FC,DF+4

King
JGS = Jaguar Step - 3+4 (hold)
iSW = Instant Shining Wizard - f,f,f+2+4 at close range. In other words you have to buffer the running command right next to your opponent.

Mishima - Kazuya/Heihachi/Jin/Devil Jin etc
EWGF = Electric Wind God Fist - f,N,d,df:2 (it's a just frame, you have to input df and 2 at exactly the same time or you won't get the electric version.) Take note that Kazuya's EWGF is done by f,N,df:2, so it's the easiest.

DEWGF = Dashing Electric Wind God Fist - f,f~f,N,d,df:2 As the name implies. Dash first then input the command

There are so many that I'll probably stop there. Each character has at least 5+ abbreviations

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iSW = Instant Shining Wizard - f,f,f+2+4 at close range. In other words you have

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Are you from Neutral Shining Wizard Australia?