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Wow, I never liked the fat shitbag, but he didn't deserve this.
Yay for objectivity.
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Wow, I never liked the fat shitbag, but he didn't deserve this.
Yay for objectivity.
Sucks if true.
really?
i thought this was supposed to be an average game from everything i've read.
what's the big deal.
Advertisers, man.Quote:
Originally Posted by rarehero
Think about it: the more advertising a mag (or website in this case) gets, the more money.
And if that mag gives it a bad score, well then, less money.
I remember reading an article a few months ago from an ex-games journalist, where he said that reviewers are pressured to give higher scores to games getting big advertisements. I think it was Shawn Elliot from EGM (or CGW).
I haven't read a review from gamespot, egm, whatever in a very long time, but that guy had guts to give the public his honest opinion, and not this '10 perfect score' bullshit we see far too often nowadays.
The big deal is that Eidos is dumping a shitload of advertising money into the Gamespot site for K&L, and got pissy when he slammed it.Quote:
Originally Posted by rarehero
EDIT: lone beat me
okay. i've read some of egm's ed talking about that a few ish's ago.
that's kinda rotten.
i do read reviews from ign from time to time if i'm looking for a quick review.
I've been a member of Gamespot for a few years now, and it's nuts over there right now.
It is absolute blasphemy that a man was fired for doing his job with integrity.
being fired for an opinion...that's crap.
Yeah its a lot of bullshit. Jesus, if firing someone for a subjective opinion (which wasn't even that detrimental) is acceptable, what is next? Damn the corporate politics
It's crap like this which justifies why I simply don't listen to game reviewers anymore. First-hand knowledge is the best; second-hand from a friend who you know and understand his likes or dislikes is acceptable, as one can figure-in his biases into the argument. :conf: If I couldn't say anything else, I'd just ask why anyone else pays attention to game reviewers anymore.
I can't believe anyone would find this shocking. Reviews in major sources can make or break a product. It's more vital than advertising, of course it's rigged.
As a personal rule, I never take the opinion of someone being paid to review anything.
This whole situation is horrible and petty.
It's a fucking video game for chrissakes.
Does anyone get canned at Rolling Stone, et. al. for saying an album is not so great or someone's song isn't as good as someone else's?
EDIT: Missed ab's post. It shouldn't surprise me but this case did. Still sucks...
Too bad they didn't fire him for being a completely terrible "journalist".
1) Never heard of the game previously (ironic advertising :rolleyes: )
2) You can almost be certain that review went through an approval process before publication. If there weren't other problems, and he carried as much weight as he is said to have ("...since 1996 and was largely responsible for its growth"), I'm sure he could have pointed a finger and had a fall man.
Yeah. Jim DeRogatis. He gave a Hootie and the Blowfish album a bad score and he got fired from Rolling Stone.Quote:
Originally Posted by PopeCuervoLime
They pretty much have an unwritten rule that any artist on the cover gets at least a three star rating if any of their albums are reviewed inside.
Not really, it happens quite often. How does the old saying go... you don't bite the hand that feeds you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Famicommander
Video game mags and sites funded by ads will never, NEVER EVER give you objective reviews, that's as old as the video game scene.
Sadly this kind of crap has been going on for years. There are magazines and sites that are supportive of their reviewers and don't bow to publisher pressure to give good scores, but those are becoming rare these days. These big sites need the revenue generated by ads and will do anything they can to keep publishers on side.
I've seen several 6/10 reviews for K&L on both the web and in print media, so it's not like he was being overly harsh.
Shocking scenes, really. :(
:mr_t:
LOL! I hated that tard.
Edit: I FAILED when searching for this as another thread was started. :( Mods please delete the thread if you have bothered reading! ;)
Sounds like the people to fire should be the developers.
Oops I Didn't see this thread. Jeff is a fat ugly virgin who jerks off to donkey porn.
:multi_co:
developers, developers, developers, developers.Quote:
Originally Posted by SamuraiShodownSensei
Sorry, couldn't resist.
In all honesty, I don't see people's *ahem* problem with the reviewer. He really seems like he gave the game a fair shot but it suffered from lack of proper execution in several areas. I don't know if the term is still used in this gamerz-age, but it sounds like a good rent-before-you-buy game. The review doesn't shoot down everything, but it doesn't let it get away with bullshit. As far as I'm concerned, yeah, it seems like Eidos thought they had mafia money running through this reviewer's employer and in the end, they didn't get what they paid for.Quote:
Originally Posted by SamuraiShodownSensei
Of course, that could just be retribution for them refusing to give gamers who bought their game what they paid for. But that's just me; I could be wrong. :glee:
hehehehe good one! Somebody needs to make a gif of the first three seconds.
Apparently GS were actually trying to get shot of him earlier for some reason.
I don't give the review "score" any heed.
I know that the reviewer is going to gloss over any major shortfalls.
All I look for is a reason to like the game.... And that's rare
Sad to admit it, I quite often use Gamefaqs player reviews as a guide.
There has to be at least 5 reviews, but if they swing toward positive I might give a game a chance based on that.
I rarely read offical reviews, especially as one of my all time faves 'Gauntlet Dark Legacy' on PS2 got 3/10 in most mags :(
I don't read gamespot reviews, but I've just read the Kane & Lynch article this guy got fired over and to be honest he's got the game down to a tee. Kane & Lynch promised so much and fails to deliver, plus the gameplay is inconsistent. In some areas it's smooth and fluid and in others it's just downright clunky.
If Edios wanted a stellar game then developers IO should have spent more time on polishing the game off and done more testing. Personally the game gets what it deserves and so do Eidos. I'm sure they'll make money out of it, but if they were hoping for game of the year they must be pissed or on drugs, possibly both.
Title doesn't deserve anything above a 6. Funnily enough the guys at Edge gave it a 6 as well... wonder if they've got fired...
BTW, traded my copy today after a week for Resident Evil: Umbrella Chronciles
I've actually been impressed by some of GameSpot's reviews, even when I disagree --they generally seem willing to lay the wood, though their curve of acceptability seems to hover around 8. Not like CNET, where getting an 8 is like a golden accomplishment.
http://www.penny-arcade.com/images/2007/20071129.jpg
Link is not working for me. Anyone else having that problem?Quote:
Originally Posted by KanYozakura
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Link is not working for me. Anyone else having that problem?
Game mags and websites suck for reviews. I only read them for news now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Article in link
Holy fucking shit if true. I'm more of a 1up.com guy, anyways.
Gamespot is the devil.
this whole situation is exploding over at gamespot.com with a 300+ page thread going. It's on every video game site, and to make things more interesting any thread on the Eidos message board that mentions this is getting locked. I'm sure no one expected this to happen, but it is REALLY interesting to say the least. Gamers are calling out the (alleged) bullshit and apparently over 400 Gamespot paid accounts have been canceled. Unless either gamespot or Eidos makes a statement I think this is only going to get worse.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBD0cUeeEQc
Jeff's video review of Kane & Lynch.
I think a few things are clear:
-Gutsmann is a lazy reviewer, and a terrible journalist. He uses sentences like "an average shooter with mechanics that don't really live up to the genre." I don't know what that means, and I don't know what HE means in saying something like that. That doesn't tell me why its a) average b) why it falls short of this "mega game" example that exists somewhere and c) what its doing right that keeps it at "average" and not "fucking awful" like he clearly thinks it is. Terrible terrible journalism, and he's always been that way.
-This is the straw that broke the camel's back. Gutsmann probably has this coming for awhile, and GS (Eidos?) Management saw this as the most blatant (and therefore easily justified) example of his terrible work.
-Greg Kasavin was the only worthwhile motherfucker at GameSpot
I disagree. Not about Kasavin, he's good too, but I think Jeff was also a solid reviewer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Buro Destruct
What he means by average is that the game is well, mediocre. Nothing great about it, but still playable. "Failing to live up to the genre" is a little vague, but I'm sure he just means that it doesn't compare with other FPS games that have been recently released (Gears of War, Halo 3, Orange Box, Crysis, etc.). It's kind of a tough crowd, but that's life. In the video, he's pretty clear about the different things that are flawed in Kane & Lynch (duck & cover is flawed, characters are unlikeable, dialogue is poor, and the A.I. is weak all around).
Personally I think Greg is the best reviewer (probably because he loves the Neo), but I'd say that Jeff is a strong second, and gave the site some character as well.
They did themselves a disservice by firing him - now they're just one more step closer to becoming IGN part 2.
So I don't know if this has been talked about yet or not, but I'm a little drunk, so I'm not reading this whole thread.
But...
The guy has been a corporate shill his whole career for Gamespot, but it isn't until he gets fired that he decides to expose the inner workings of the business?
Cry me a river.
Then build me a bridge, and get over it.
lithy you're drunk
and I hate youQuote:
Originally Posted by LoneSage
I shall build this bridge on the river Kwai.Quote:
Originally Posted by lithy
anyone who hates jeff hates him because he gave zelda:tp an 8.9, which in a real 1-10 scale, is what it deserves, if not less.
thats not to say zelda was a bad game, but considering its pretty much exactly the same as ww and oot, and was delayed for how many years, definitely wasnt a 10.
Well, I can surmise his meaning, but we're talking about a "journalist" here.Quote:
Originally Posted by galfordo
This isn't some schmo (or maybe he is) at the local Gamestop running his mouth. Don't tell me a game that I'm watching your review for, a review that I expect will paint me a good picture of what this game is like, and whether or not it deserves my time and/or money is "average" and then blithely and vaguely tell me its not the best of its kind. That doesn't tell me shit. It tells me you don't like it, and you can't accurately explain why.
Imagine you were going to buy a car for better gas mileage, and Car Buyer magazine listed the Camry 08 as being "an average car with fuel mileage that doesn't set any new records".
Again that doesn't say anything. It could be shit, it could be good enough for you, but how can you tell? You can't, its terrible journalism.
Btw, nobody seems to notice that Greg Kasavin hasn't worked at Gamespot for almost 2 years now.
Paid accounts? What exactly do people pay for at that shithole?Quote:
Originally Posted by OrochiEddie
Don't you mean over the river Kwai... it wouldn't be much of a bridge if you built on theriver itself...Quote:
Originally Posted by Lagduf
Could be a floating bridge, like the one on Lake Washington.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tarma
You mean like a pontoon? I suppose, but isn't the River Kwai surrounded by steep cliffs?Quote:
Originally Posted by BioMotor_Unitron
Hmmm... Pontoon Over The River Kwai... I'm sure Alec Guiness would be proud :loco:
Yes, it is a pontoon bridge. As for the River Kwai, I suppose it depends on which portion you want the bridge to span.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tarma
If I remember my NeoGeo and EGM history right, EGM blasted the ever loving shit out of the SNES AOF port for being a total pile of dog shit and the opposing page was an ad for AOF on SNES(the review was so scathing it got one of the lead devs to write a several page long letter to the editor that ended up in that month's Psycho Letter section).Quote:
Originally Posted by Takumaji
Sadly my knowledge of the river is quite poor, however, it's really up to Lagduf. After all he's the one who wants to build the bridge. Personally I'm quite happy with the existing passages across the river.Quote:
Originally Posted by BioMotor_Unitron
Give him some water wings and push him in. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Tarma