You all knew it was coming...New Apple Launches

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08-07-2007, 03:41 PM
BoriquaSNK

You all knew it was coming...New Apple Launches

Not trying to stoke any flames, but today Jobs made a few cool announcements.

New Aluminum and Glass iMac's with Core 2 Extremes - These are cool, though they've gone in an interesting direction. By adding a Firewire 800 port, that seems like a big push towards pro creatives...plus the glossy higher rez screen. The addition of the Radeon HD GPU is welcome as well and the prices are fantastic considering the processors they have in there. The prices here prove that Apple is getting some kind of deal from Intel, because a similar machine from Alienware adds another $700-800 bucks. I'd like to know what Intel is getting out of this deal, other than money of course.

http://gizmodo.com/assets/resources/...8/IMG_1023.jpg

I love the Keyboard, too. Separated keys ala the MacBooks...even Apple haters will find this useful.

iWork 08 - now with Spreadsheet program "Numbers". I use iWork daily and I'm convinced Pages and Keynote are viable competitors to Office (and, in my opinion, they blow them outta the water), and the $80 price tag for the whole suite versus Office's $150 price for the education version...this'll be an interesting fight. Whether Numbers and Pages have decent mail merge support will be the hitch that causes me to drop office entirely.

iLife 08 - iPhoto can organize by events, not just tags, iMovie is streamlined, not too much of a change here, just some added features and stability fixes...it had to happen.

dotMac - This is the big one, this service was absolute horseshit until this update. They've bumped storage to 10gigs, which is great, and they've added the iPhoto web gallery feature that lets Mac users and iphone users with dotmac colaborate on photo collections and even share, collaborate, and create slideshows straight from their iPhone or Mac.

If this works, I see some really cool possibilities for small offices and small businesses especially in regards to project sharing. You can already do that with Google Enterprise Apps...but if it's more user friendly and one-click optimized I can see it being worth the $99 annual fee for dotMac.

Personally, I like the iWork addition, since I've longed to supplant word with Pages. Pages essentially combines the basic elements of Quark, InDesign, and MS Word into one very easy to use App...though it's a bit resource heavy.

I dunno, I'll wait and see. What do you guys think?
08-07-2007, 03:48 PM
aria

Worthless without links or pictures

(EDIT: Looks like you realized that)
08-07-2007, 03:52 PM
BoriquaSNK

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bobak

Worthless without links or pictures

(EDIT: Looks like you realized that)

Yes Bobak, these things take time baby.

PS, O-L.com misses you.
08-07-2007, 03:55 PM
Nesagwa

lol, mac
08-07-2007, 03:57 PM
Mushiki

The new iMacs are soooo fucking sexy :emb: :drool:
08-07-2007, 04:01 PM
not sonic

replace "so fuckin sexy" with "the exact same thing, but brushed metal."
08-07-2007, 04:04 PM
Nesagwa

Quote:

Originally Posted by not sonic

replace "so fuckin sexy" with "the exact same thing, but brushed metal."

Not counting better screen and much better processor and video card, youre right.
08-07-2007, 04:05 PM
Mushiki

Quote:

Originally Posted by not sonic

replace "so fuckin sexy" with "the exact same thing, but brushed metal."

Subtle changes make an already sexy design even sexier ;)
08-07-2007, 04:10 PM
BoriquaSNK

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nesagwa

Not counting better screen and much better processor and video card, youre right.

Not to mention room for up to 4 gigs of RAM and up to a Terabyte of hdd space
08-07-2007, 04:11 PM
ki_atsushi

Quote:

Originally Posted by BoriquaSNK

Not to mention room for up to 4 gigs of RAM and up to a Terabyte of hdd space

:drool:
08-07-2007, 04:18 PM
BoriquaSNK

http://gizmodo.com/assets/images/gal...a5dbe756_o.jpg

The keyboard that I will hopefully be picking up after work today.
08-07-2007, 04:21 PM
Nesagwa

Did they get rid of the USB ports on it?
08-07-2007, 04:25 PM
BoriquaSNK

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nesagwa

Did they get rid of the USB ports on it?

http://gizmodo.com/assets/images/gal...5c156433_o.jpg

Nope, they're on the side like back in the day.
08-07-2007, 04:26 PM
Zenimus

I like the new look much better, but I still think the "desklamp" style iMac with the swiveling monitor was the best design so far.

I wonder if they'll add in a Blu-Ray or HD-DVD drive sometime soon?
08-07-2007, 04:27 PM
norton9478

apple wants me to become a buddhist...

I see people acting on incomprehensible desire.

No good can come of it.
08-07-2007, 04:28 PM
Nesagwa

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zenimus

I like the new look much better, but I still think the "desklamp" style iMac with the swiveling monitor was the best design so far.

I wonder if they'll add in a Blu-Ray or HD-DVD drive sometime soon?

The G3 iMac is probably the coolest computer design ever really. Im still planning on getting one just as a jukebox or something later on.
08-07-2007, 04:29 PM
not sonic

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nesagwa

Not counting better screen and much better processor and video card, youre right.

i was going by looks only.

i cant say i'd like that keyboard either.

full stroke or nothing. (never liked laptop keyboards either, so it has nothing to do with the fact that its an apple keyboard.)

starting at $1200? wow sign me the fuck up...

wheres my brushed aluminum mighty mouse?
08-07-2007, 04:33 PM
Nesagwa

Quote:

Originally Posted by not sonic

i was going by looks only.

i cant say i'd like that keyboard either.

full stroke or nothing. (never liked laptop keyboards either, so it has nothing to do with the fact that its an apple keyboard.)

starting at $1200? wow sign me the fuck up...

wheres my brushed aluminum mighty mouse?

Eh, A lot of people like clicky keyboards. Im a fan of them. The standard mashy type they have now isnt terrible, but it is alot harder to use if youre going for typing speed and accuracy.

Dunno, HP makes flat keyboards like that too and I liked them.

Starting at 1200 and it has a better video card that my macpro came with :(
08-07-2007, 04:33 PM
Zenimus

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nesagwa

The G3 iMac is probably the coolest computer design ever really. Im still planning on getting one just as a jukebox or something later on.

Heh, I've still got mine laying around in the garage. Beware if you go for a slot-loading one though (which is pretty much all of them except for the first models). Those things are notorious for refusing to spit out a disc.
08-07-2007, 04:34 PM
BoriquaSNK

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nesagwa

The G3 iMac is probably the coolest computer design ever really. Im still planning on getting one just as a jukebox or something later on.

Nah, I always thought they were a little girly for my tastes.

But they make great aquariums.
08-07-2007, 04:36 PM
BoriquaSNK

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nesagwa

Eh, A lot of people like clicky keyboards. Im a fan of them. The standard mashy type they have now isnt terrible, but it is alot harder to use if youre going for typing speed and accuracy.

Dunno, HP makes flat keyboards like that too and I liked them.

Starting at 1200 and it has a better video card that my macpro came with :(

You can swap out that videocard.

not sonic - I said the same thing about the keyboard but after using it for a couple of days on the MacBooks at work, I found them to be a lot easier to type on...especially for long stretches, since the keys are easier to hit and are more deliberately spaced out.
08-07-2007, 04:39 PM
not sonic

the key spacing seems neat, and it does look cool. but id really have to try it. and im curious as to what apple is charging for it. their accessories are more pricey than their pcs imo.

i never really liked this imac design because of the big void under the screen. i understand why its there, but id rather have a mac mini.
08-07-2007, 04:43 PM
bokunya~

Quote:

Originally Posted by BoriquaSNK

Not to mention room for up to 4 gigs of RAM and up to a Terabyte of hdd space

Terabyte? Holy fookin' hell :drool:
08-07-2007, 04:45 PM
BoriquaSNK

Quote:

Originally Posted by not sonic

the key spacing seems neat, and it does look cool. but id really have to try it. and im curious as to what apple is charging for it. their accessories are more pricey than their pcs imo.

i never really liked this imac design because of the big void under the screen. i understand why its there, but id rather have a mac mini.

If they plan to use the old pricing scheme, the wired version would be $25-29 and the Bluetooth version would be $59. It's not for everyone, but if you do a lot of word processing I highly suggest it.

It also has dedicated expose and dashboard keys, so you could map those to the aero glass window select features in Vista if you wanted to. I'm pretty sure Yahoo Widget Engine has some cool effect you could map to those extra keys on the PC side.

I hope the bluetooth version is out now...but I doubt it, they probably have to get FCC approval first.

And yes, I agree, that fucking iChin is annoying as shit.
08-07-2007, 04:46 PM
taitai

Wow, the screen is gorgeous but the keyboard is hideous.

Thank god you can still buy current gen mac keyboards..
08-07-2007, 05:00 PM
OrochiEddie

I've used a similar keyboard, and I wasn't a fan. It felt awkward which I'm sure goes away after time, and it felt like it wouldn't be great for gaming, it's just a real fragile piece.

The new design is better looking, but it's just a computer. The appearance of the machine is not important as much as the performance.

I'm hoping for some news on new macbooks, then that will probably be my next purchase. I need a portable work computer.
08-07-2007, 05:49 PM
BoriquaSNK

Quote:

Originally Posted by OrochiEddie

I've used a similar keyboard, and I wasn't a fan. It felt awkward which I'm sure goes away after time, and it felt like it wouldn't be great for gaming, it's just a real fragile piece.

The new design is better looking, but it's just a computer. The appearance of the machine is not important as much as the performance.

I'm hoping for some news on new macbooks, then that will probably be my next purchase. I need a portable work computer.

I consider appearance to be a big part of the computing experience personally, and considering the HD quality screen, Core 2 Extreme chips, and energy efficient brushed aluminum case, the new iMac is the best valued desktop around right now, IMO anyway.

I can see where the concern might be for gaming, but trust me, it's a really unique keyboard. your fingers don't have to arch up as you type any more, so it's easier on your wrists and the keys actually indent just enough so you get a similar experience to using raised keys. This is all based off of my experience with the MacBooks, I assume these are the same.
08-07-2007, 06:00 PM
Nesagwa

Quote:

Originally Posted by BoriquaSNK

Nah, I always thought they were a little girly for my tastes.

But they make great aquariums.

I meant G4 :emb:
08-07-2007, 07:21 PM
Xian Xi

Quote:

Originally Posted by not sonic

wheres my brushed aluminum mighty mouse?

Same here. All I would need now is a brushed aluminum might mouse and everything would match even better.
08-07-2007, 07:24 PM
hanafuda

Have to say that iMac is very sexy.

Someday I'll get rid of this POS DELL, but at the same time, I was looking at the prices of the DELL Vostro yesterday and you can get a pretty decent spec machine with a 19" monitor for half the price of this iMac...
08-07-2007, 07:39 PM
Lets Gekiga In

I was looking at this page over an iPhone at the Apple Store earlier today. :p
08-07-2007, 08:10 PM
abasuto

Looks pretty cool, to bad it's impossible to ever upgrade the video card or CPU.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nesagwa

The G3 iMac is probably the coolest computer design ever really. Im still planning on getting one just as a jukebox or something later on.

I've still got a 600Mhz. model ( snow ). It's still ok for a basic machine, but it started lagging on websites and shit, reason why I finally got a new set up.
08-07-2007, 08:11 PM
Nesagwa

Quote:

Originally Posted by Abasuto

Looks pretty cool, to bad it's impossible to ever upgrade the video card or CPU.

I've still got a 600Mhz. model ( snow ). It's still ok for a basic machine, but it started lagging on websites and shit, reason why I finally got a new set up.

I mean G4 damnit.
08-07-2007, 08:30 PM
abasuto

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nesagwa

I mean G4 damnit.

They looked cool, but that was about it. The G4 eMacs were probably why they didn't sell so good. eMacs were cheaper for a stronger machine.
08-07-2007, 08:49 PM
Nesagwa

Quote:

Originally Posted by Abasuto

They looked cool, but that was about it. The G4 eMacs were probably why they didn't sell so good. eMacs were cheaper for a stronger machine.

G4 iMac.

http://lowendmac.com/imacs/art/imac20.jpg

Not eMac.

The eMacs sucked.
08-07-2007, 09:57 PM
thirdkind

Quote:

Originally Posted by BoriquaSNK

You can swap out that videocard.

With what? I upgraded to the X1900 from the included 7300 when I bought my Pro, and I haven't seen any news on new video cards I can move up to from there.

If Apple ever hopes to compete in the gaming market, they're going to need to get better cards out there for us Mac Pro users. How am I supposed to drive a 30" display at native resolution with an X1900 and get respectable frame rates?

This is my only real gripe since moving to the Mac side of the fence.

Also, do you think those keys on that new keyboard will pop in and out easily? I use a Dvorak layout, and it was pretty easy to pop out the keys on my current Apple keyboard and move them around.
08-07-2007, 10:05 PM
Nesagwa

Quote:

Originally Posted by thirdkind

With what? I upgraded to the X1900 from the included 7300 when I bought my Pro, and I haven't seen any news on new video cards I can move up to from there.

If Apple ever hopes to compete in the gaming market, they're going to need to get better cards out there for us Mac Pro users. How am I supposed to drive a 30" display at native resolution with an X1900 and get respectable frame rates?

This is my only real gripe since moving to the Mac side of the fence.

Also, do you think those keys on that new keyboard will pop in and out easily? I use a Dvorak layout, and it was pretty easy to pop out the keys on my current Apple keyboard and move them around.

If they are like the macbook, theyre easy to get off, but there is a trick to getting them back on.

They use like a little hook thing to attached. You have to like hook it and then push down and to the right. Might take a few tries, but nothing too complicated.
08-07-2007, 10:16 PM
not sonic

how can you use a dvorak layout in the year 2007?
08-07-2007, 10:24 PM
thirdkind

Quote:

Originally Posted by not sonic

how can you use a dvorak layout in the year 2007?

Um, it's better than an institutionalized standard that should have been retired as soon as solid state keyboards became the norm?

QWERTY is the old geezer, not Dvorak.
08-07-2007, 10:27 PM
not sonic

i dont see the benefit in using one over the other. might as well use what everyone else uses, eh?
08-07-2007, 10:32 PM
ki_atsushi

Quote:

Originally Posted by thirdkind

Um, it's better than an institutionalized standard that should have been retired as soon as solid state keyboards became the norm?

QWERTY is the old geezer, not Dvorak.

Um, Dvorak sucks. Get with the times. :D

But seriously... i've never seen anyone use a Dvorak layout. Everybody is used to QWERTY, so what's the problem with it?
08-07-2007, 10:36 PM
Lagduf

Quote:

Originally Posted by ki_atsushi

Um, Dvorak sucks. Get with the times. :D

But seriously... i've never seen anyone use a Dvorak layout. Everybody is used to QWERTY, so what's the problem with it?

In a nutshell, QWERTY isn't the most effiecient keyboard layout (for English typists at least).

DVORAK is better than QWERTY with regard to typing and typing speed. From what I understand it is easy to learn when you initially are placed in front of a keyboard. QWERTY is an antiquated, but institutionalized, standard. It probably wont ever change.

I roll with QWERTY.
08-07-2007, 11:14 PM
BoriquaSNK

I got to see the new iMac in person a little while ago and its beautiful, I couldn't play with the keyboard though.

It's about 1/3 thinner than the current iMac's, the screen is absolutely BEAUTIFUL, very vivid blacks and a great refresh rate (we played Quake 4 on it). The new Garageband has this really cool new gui for making songs via loops where there is literally a garage on screen and you can visually replace the instruments with synthesizers and drums, you can add wa petals to the guitar, etc...I think that's geared more towards kids but it's a shitload of fun to play with.

The new dotMac is finally worth it...thank god. 10 gigs of storage and 100 gigs of data transfer per month is more than adequate for a blog or small biz website...it's still a bit pricey at $99 a year but if convenience is your thing there really is no better solution right now. The iPhone can export photos directly to dotMac now, which is VERY cool.

I was impressed, though I can't wait to try the keyboard and iWork.
08-07-2007, 11:15 PM
Borman

Really, I need a new video card for my Mac Pro, and there isnt shit to upgrade to factoring in that it needs to work in OSX too. More ram too, but other then being expensive, its not hard to get.
08-07-2007, 11:16 PM
BoriquaSNK

Quote:

Originally Posted by Borman

Really, I need a new video card for my Mac Pro, and there isnt shit to upgrade to factoring in that it needs to work in OSX too. More ram too, but other then being expensive, its not hard to get.

I thought the Mac Pro's graphics card was replaceable? My dad just swapped out his powermac g5's videocard and it wasn't as accessible as the mac pro's.
08-07-2007, 11:19 PM
thirdkind

With Dvorak, the most commonly used letters are placed on home row (AOEUI on the left, DHTNS on the right) resulting in significantly less finger travel. Faster typing and less chance of RSI. It took a couple weeks to switch, but I type faster now with Dvorak than I did with QWERTY.

I guess since nobody uses it, all OS creators should remove it from their input options and all the companies selling Dvorak keyboards should just close up shop.

:rolleyes:

lol at people who hate on whatever it is they neither use nor understand.
08-07-2007, 11:23 PM
thirdkind

Quote:

Originally Posted by BoriquaSNK

I thought the Mac Pro's graphics card was replaceable? My dad just swapped out his powermac g5's videocard and it wasn't as accessible as the mac pro's.

It is replaceable. Again, I ask, with what? They offer the 7300 as standard, the X1900 as an upgrade, and a Quadro for professional graphics use. My X1900 is passable, but I only have a 20" 1280x1024 Planar LCD now. No way the X1900 gets the job done with a 30" display running natively at 2560x1600.

I pray that Apple's inclusion of the Radeon HD in the iMac means they're going to support a PCIe Radeon HD solution for the Mac Pros.

Two dual core Xeons paired with an X1900 is a waste.
08-07-2007, 11:30 PM
Borman

Exactly, its replaceable, but with what crap. Ive got the 7300, but I refuse to upgrade to the x1900 for its cost, since its just not worth it. Ive got a 1920x1200 Dell 24 inch LCD, so its almost impossible to run the new stuff at the native resolution.
08-07-2007, 11:55 PM
not sonic

Quote:

Originally Posted by thirdkind

lol at people who hate on whatever it is they neither use nor understand.

whatever man.

i dont think it really fuckin matters. but i cant imagine learning dvorak only to enounter qwerty keyboards in basically every other possible location thats not my own pc.
08-07-2007, 11:58 PM
Lagduf

Quote:

Originally Posted by thirdkind

With Dvorak, the most commonly used letters are placed on home row (AOEUI on the left, DHTNS on the right) resulting in significantly less finger travel. Faster typing and less chance of RSI. It took a couple weeks to switch, but I type faster now with Dvorak than I did with QWERTY.

I guess since nobody uses it, all OS creators should remove it from their input options and all the companies selling Dvorak keyboards should just close up shop.

:rolleyes:

lol at people who hate on whatever it is they neither use nor understand.

It's interesting AOEUI aren't on the right, since most people are right hand dominant.

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