So after a number of years, I played and beat MGS again.

There's a few games that come mind when thinking of "perfect" games and this has got to be one of them.

Really, everything about the game is just top-notch.

The story, dialogue and characters especially.

Very few games are made where you actually give a shit about the characters and what happens to them but MGS more than seems to make up for those games with its almost overwhelming sympathizable (<-- I don't believe that's a word but I'm making it one for now) "human" characters.

Easily one of the most engrossing storylines in all of gaming.

Obviously what I'm saying is of no surprise, but having not played through the game since however many years it's been since it first came out (beat it twice then), I had honestly forgotten what an amazing piece of software it is.

Going to be going through the others soon as well, as I haven't played through them in a long time either (although not as long as it had been since MGS.)

Also, how's the GC remake(?) Twin Snakes?

Is it worth checking out before I move on to the next game?

I honestly could not tolerate the GC version for more than an hour.

The PSX version is the ONLY version.

And I agree - still a top notch game. A classic.

Twin Snakes is a fun playthrough, since it's a different play experience compared to the original MGS. But, overall, it's not really necessary to play through before 2.

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Originally Posted by Average Joe

Also, how's the GC remake(?) Twin Snakes?

Is it worth checking out before I move on to the next game?

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I thought, and still think, that Twin Snakes is awesome as hell. I love it.

Skip Twin Snakes, unless you're a fan of Ryuhei Kitamura.

No one cares for Snatcher. :(

But MGS is still the "perfect" game.

Suspension of Disbelief

Gladly some people enjoy the whole game as a "package", instead of whining about the cutscenes, and only caring about the gameplay.

I loved Twin Snakes, I'd snag it.

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Originally Posted by Mushiki

Suspension of Disbelief

Gladly some people enjoy the whole game as a "package", instead of whining about the cutscenes, and only caring about the gameplay.

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I can careless about the cutscenes, it's just that I prefer Kojima's direction above all else when it comes to Metal Gear.

You do realize that TS plays quite different than the original too, right?

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Originally Posted by BIG

I can careless about the cutscenes, it's just that I prefer Kojima's direction above all else when it comes to Metal Gear.

You do realize that TS plays quite different than the original too, right?

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I was actually referring to the Metal Gear Solid series as a whole.

Both versions are great indeed.

I played Twin Snakes and had never played MGS2. It had also been several years since playing the original PSX version and I had just as much fun as I did with the original. In fact, I didn't really even notice what was changed in Twin Snakes.

I always wondered how good this game was played via Bleem on Dreamcast. I still have the Bleem disc that I never got around to using.

i burnt out myself playing it at my buddies import shop when i first moved to
texas about 10 years ago.
in fucking japanese, but there was one thing you could understand.

snaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaake!
snaaaaaaaaaaaaake!!

The GC version sucks because of the shit GC controller - end of story.

Never played Twin Snakes, but I can look at the screens and feel that something seems...off.

Silicon Knights were not the right people to handle it.

I find it hilarious that they re-did the voice acting for God knows why, yet half-assed the CODEC portraits by keeping them the same.

Mixed bag about Twin Snakes, huh?

I don't know, the information I saw didn't make me think much about it.

It looked pretty on the GC hardware but the idea of new dialogue and scenes actually turned me away from it more than anything--was never a fan of those types of additions in films I've enjoyed and the same would go for MGS.

I'll probably go through it another time then because I am kind of psyched to go through Sons of Liberty again.

I just finished Twin Snakes myself yesterday for the first time, I never played the first MGS, but from I can tell Twin Snakes is the worst of the three. The cut scenes are majorly over the top and the deaths of all the FOXHOUND people are really fucking drawn out and sappy. I don't care about Sniper Wolf's past, or Raven the Hunter's beliefs, it just dragged. The game is excellent, and the cutscenes were still amazing, but just way over the top. Snake does SOOO much matrix shit it's crazy. The dialog for the most part is great with a few corny spots here and there.

Overall Snake Eater is by far my favorite, but SOL (haha funny how that worked) is still excellent. Twin Snakes is still an AMAZING game, but doesn't seem to fit as well. I'd say the MGS series is probably my favorite series of video games ever. MGS4 is just going to be fucking epic beyond belief.

hmmm, I need to see these cutscenes one day

in a game about cybernetic ninjas from beyond the grave, a guy who can drain a person's body and then steal their identity, and all this other crazy stuff

something tells me stylized slo-mo cutscenes aren't that bad

I haven't played/seen/read this game/book/comic/cartoon/movie but here's what I think about it anyway.

pretty much

I'd have a rebuttal if it weren't so true

I only speak in truth.

i cant believe im being hit on by the famous solid snakeuru!!

MGS:TT is freakin' great.

MGS proper still holds up though. Good times.

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Originally Posted by not sonic

i cant believe im being hit on by the famous solid snakeuru!!

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Oh my god hotness I wanna bang you!

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Originally Posted by dark penguin

I always wondered how good this game was played via Bleem on Dreamcast. I still have the Bleem disc that I never got around to using.

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It looks very nice and clean.

and btw twinsnakes is a nice game to get any way for the cube.

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Originally Posted by Average Joe

Mixed bag about Twin Snakes, huh?

I don't know, the information I saw didn't make me think much about it.

It looked pretty on the GC hardware but the idea of new dialogue and scenes actually turned me away from it more than anything--was never a fan of those types of additions in films I've enjoyed and the same would go for MGS.

I'll probably go through it another time then because I am kind of psyched to go through Sons of Liberty again.

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Imagine MGS with the camera and control scheme from MGS2. The cutscenes are more cinematic, and the dialogue was meant to be "less campy". I wouldn't say it's better than the original, but it's a different experience. For example, being able to look and shoot in first person view totally alters the battle with Revolver Ocelot, and almost makes it easier.

I'd say it's at least worth checking out once.

I don't get how people say they hate Twin Snakes because of all the crazy matrix cut scences. I mean there is just as much if not more crazy bullshit that goes on in 2 and 3.
I like TS alot. I thought it was just as good as the first. Although the control scheme for the GC controller was pretty shitty.

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Originally Posted by GD

Imagine MGS with the camera and control scheme from MGS2. The cutscenes are more cinematic, and the dialogue was meant to be "less campy". I wouldn't say it's better than the original, but it's a different experience. For example, being able to look and shoot in first person view totally alters the battle with Revolver Ocelot, and almost makes it easier.

I'd say it's at least worth checking out once.

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"Almost" makes it easier? You can beat Ocelot in less than 30 seconds without moving if you use the first person view. First person mode makes the game incredibly easy. The problem is that while you have all the moves from MGS2, the environments weren't altered in any way other than to look better.

Some of the voice acting falls flat, certain lines aren't delivered with the same tone as the original and its definitely noticeable. The returning voice actors do a pretty good job again (Naomi and Mei Ling lose their accents though, for some unknown reason). The new voice for Grey Fox is actually better than the original IMO. And while the cut scenes are completely ridiculous most of the time, some of them are really cool (pretty much every scene with the Ninja is fucking sweet, especially the final battle with the Metal Gear). Graphically the game looks fine, nothing spectacular but not to shabby either.

I'd say my one biggest complaint was the GC controller. While it doesn't take a long time to get used to, if there was ever a series designed with the Duel Shock controller in mind, its MGS. First person view is mapped to Z, which is the worst possible placement if you ask me, but they didn't have much choice either. Go into first person view and try to strafe to the right, you will have to bring your middle finger up to the R button. The lack of analog buttons kind of hurts the game too. One tip, while aiming your weapon if you slide your thumb to the Y button and hold it then release the A button, Snake will lower his weapon without firing. And don't even consider using the d-pad to control Snake, but we all know about the GC's d-pad so I won't explain this.

Overall, Twin Snakes is a good game. When compared to MGS games with the Kojima shine on them, it falls short. It seems rushed at times. I was disappointed with the lack of any new material other than a Boss Rush mode. But do play it if you like the series.

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Originally Posted by genjiglove

And while the cut scenes are completely ridiculous most of the time, some of them are really cool (pretty much every scene with the Ninja is fucking sweet, especially the final battle with the Metal Gear). Graphically the game looks fine, nothing spectacular but not to shabby either.

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I can't lie, I'm a hopeless sucker for those over-the-top action sequences but I don't think I'd want to see them in MGS (just talking about the first one of course.)

The whole experience/mood of that game is just too perfect as it is and I'd don't think I'd want to see it changed with those kind of additions.

I'll end up playing Twin Snakes eventually and will enjoy it because I do love the series (reminded lately just how much I do), but from what I've seen so far, the whole concept of TS just seems kind of unnecessary.

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Originally Posted by dark penguin

I always wondered how good this game was played via Bleem on Dreamcast. I still have the Bleem disc that I never got around to using.

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It looks great, especially figuring that you can use the VGA out as well. It makes for a super clean package. That is the only reason I miss having my Dreamcast.



As for the game, it’s one of the most amazing games I’ve ever played. It truly was a complete package, it had it all. It will easily remain in my personal “Top 10” games of all time.

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Originally Posted by genjiglove

(Naomi and Mei Ling lose their accents though, for some unknown reason).

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Naomi losing her accent, unacceptable. But as an asian american, Mei Ling losing her accent? GREAT. She doesn't sound like a goddamn Asian American stereotype. In MGS1, I was waiting for her to say, "I RABU YOU RONG TIME" :very_ang::very_ang:

MGS3!! \\o

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Originally Posted by genjiglove

The new voice for Grey Fox is actually better than the original IMO. And while the cut scenes are completely ridiculous most of the time, some of them are really cool (pretty much every scene with the Ninja is fucking sweet)

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Exactly

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Originally Posted by Mushiki

Exactly

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That was pretty kick-ass.

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Originally Posted by Average Joe

That was pretty kick-ass.

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Indeed it is.

Here's the Ninja vs Rex cutscene, if you feel like watching it.

If you like MGS, you will love Snatcher. Truly Kojima's finest hour.

-Winter.

Not only does Twin Snakes add MGS2 gameplay elements into an environment that wasn't designed for them, but it also adds the M9, which in addition to the first person shooting ability, makes the game even easier

This gives Twin Snakes a very different atmosphere when compared to MGS, as the majority of the original is spent actually sneaking around and avoiding all contact with enemies apart from the sections when you are forced into combat.

This is all stuff that I only realise in hindsight as I played Twin Snakes before I ever played MGS. Therefore, Twin Snakes is worth checking out for curiosity, but I'd say it is only worth playing if you have never played MGS before, or are a big fan of the original and must see what they did with the remake.

I have beaten MGS1 like 15 times, and every time is great. It's just one of those games...

I have beaten Symphony of the night like 20 times too :emb:

Metal Gear Solid was one of the Playstation games I enjoyed most. I'd say top ten for the system. After reading this thread I'll have to check out Twin Snakes and Snake Eater...

Seriously though, it will be pretty hard to top the original for NES.

considering the ridiculous action in the second and third Metal Gear Solid games I think Twin Snakes fits in better.

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Originally Posted by genjiglove

I'd say my one biggest complaint was the GC controller. While it doesn't take a long time to get used to, if there was ever a series designed with the Duel Shock controller in mind, its MGS. First person view is mapped to Z, which is the worst possible placement if you ask me, but they didn't have much choice either. Go into first person view and try to strafe to the right, you will have to bring your middle finger up to the R button. The lack of analog buttons kind of hurts the game too. One tip, while aiming your weapon if you slide your thumb to the Y button and hold it then release the A button, Snake will lower his weapon without firing. And don't even consider using the d-pad to control Snake, but we all know about the GC's d-pad so I won't explain this.

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You know you can set that first person view to toggle with the Z trigger right?
I know it's not as nice but once you get used to it you don't notice anymore.

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Originally Posted by LDO

Seriously though, it will be pretty hard to top the original for NES.

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You mean, for the MSX.



Right?

The dialogue is much better in the Playstation MGS, I really don't think they should have redone it. Also become over cinematic. I like PS version for it's simplistic concept but still offering a challenge.

On a somewhat related note...

Twin Snakes is a hard game to track down while Sons of Liberty was only $5 used.

And a Gamecube controller is terrible for the game.

This thread made me want go back to Twin Snakes and finish it (I stopped playing for no reason a month ago and never beat the original because I suck).

I'm so bored at work right now that I'm trying to read this analysis on MGS2's ending since I beat that game and it was confusing as hell. I've hardly gotten anywhere in it and my brain hurts already.

Talk about mind fuckt.

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Originally Posted by Soniku

I'm so bored at work right now that I'm trying to read this analysis on MGS2's ending since I beat that game and it was confusing as hell. I've hardly gotten anywhere in it and my brain hurts already.

Talk about mind fuckt.

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It's a great site and that analysis is very good as well.

I read it back in the day, just after finishing Sons of Liberty... even bought myself some books on Memetics :emb:

The great thing about going back to games is when you forget about stuff while playing through them again.

Totally forgot all about Olga's pit hair and started cracking up when I saw it again.

Also forgot how much fun it is to shoot tranquilizers into the crotches of unsuspecting guards.

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Originally Posted by Average Joe

The great thing about going back to games is when you forget about stuff while playing through them again.

Totally forgot all about Olga's pit hair and started cracking up when I saw it again.

Also forgot how much fun it is to shoot tranquilizers into the crotches of unsuspecting guards.

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Want to borrow Twin Snakes?

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Originally Posted by Winter_07

If you like MGS, you will love Snatcher. Truly Kojima's finest hour.

-Winter.

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Yeah, because those games are very similar to each other. :spock:

If you like Lucas Arts adventure games, you'll like Snatcher. I do LOVE Snatcher, but it's nothing like Metal Gear Solid.