Bored and Pondering: Why do roms feel so different from the actual game?

So I am decided to bust out some old roms and play some old games I haven't played in a while because I am really bored. While I was trying out a few, I was thinking to myself, "man these are so much more fun playing on the actual consoles." It is a strange feeling because it is the same game, but doesn't feel the same. For example, playing Metal Slug 3 on my PC does not feel the same when I fire it up on my AES. I guess it is just the entire aesthetic of seeing the cart, holding the controller and playing on your TV. What do you guys think?

Definitely a combination of using the original controller and playing on the TV.

Even having a modded Xbox with thousands of games doesn't cut it. It's just different from the real thing.

Imperfect emulation?

B-

Why does a Hot Dog taste better in the ballpark?

roms feel different because they are not the real thing, as simple as that. You can emulate the technical details of every CPU or custom chip 100% but you know how the saying goes, the whole is more than the sum of its parts.

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Originally Posted by Takumaji

roms feel different because they are not the real thing, as simple as that. You can emulate the technical details of every CPU or custom chip 100% but you know how the saying goes, the whole is more than the sum of its parts.

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Bing.

The musty smell of ancient electronics.

The wicked big plastic things.

The creaky controllers.

The rad looking console shells.

The obnoxious disc drive chugging.

The power on light.

The sense of "Yay, i actually put something into owning this, instead of stealing it"


or whatever, unless you're nesagwa and have no honour :tickled:

I started to drift away from my ROMS too and felt like getting the real thing. It got dull playing them on my HDTV flat panel, but when I got my 29" tri-sync rgb monitor from someone on this forum and played them on it. MAN! I was like fuck the real thing. LOL

I like the romz on my XBOX but not on my computer, it fell different when i play on the box, it feel less wrong .... i dont know for sure. :spock:

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Originally Posted by soulthug

The musty smell of ancient electronics.

The wicked big plastic things.

The creaky controllers.

The rad looking console shells.

The obnoxious disc drive chugging.

The power on light.

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Damn...that painted an awesome picture of the whole experience of using your favorite console. It captured just about every good part...

Because beating games on infinite credits just don't feel the same as when you only have a limited amount of credits to work with, I'm guessing.

You're distracted from the ROM by all the other stuff you bought with the money.

JO'ing is a form of emulation.

Yep, It's not the same.

In order for a ROM to feel right, you have to know that it's being properly emulated, that the display looks right, and you need a decent controller. In the case of the Neo, I know that some games actually run differently than they should. Like if the game pushed the limits of the Neo, the computer emulation might actually play it too fast and the timing might be way off because it actually is allocating too much memory. Something like that. I don't really emulate stuff using ROMs myself.

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Originally Posted by Abasuto

You're distracted from the ROM by all the other stuff you bought with the money.

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In the case of Neo-Geo, this may include one or more of the following:
XBox
Lifetime supply of pudding
HDTV
7-pound gold nugget
Car
House

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Originally Posted by SpamYouToDeath

In the case of Neo-Geo, this may include one or more of the following:
XBox
Lifetime supply of pudding
HDTV
7-pound gold nugget
Car
House

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This post was quite a rib-tickler.

Kudos FTG. (FOOOR TEH GIGGLES!!!)

Console games are meant to be played on tvs, and arcade on cabinets.

Also, the controllers are not always the same, so a PS game must be played with a ps control

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Originally Posted by soulthug

Bing.

The musty smell of ancient electronics.

The wicked big plastic things.

The creaky controllers.

The rad looking console shells.

The obnoxious disc drive chugging.

The power on light.

The sense of "Yay, i actually put something into owning this, instead of stealing it"


or whatever, unless you're nesagwa and have no honour :tickled:

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This is beautiful. I think you hit it right on the head. Thank you.

Playing it on dif hardware probably gives the moves a super small delay. Its the same reason why ports feel a little off. As games that usually feel great are built from the ground up.

free stuff is never as fun as something you earn money for and pay for.
i toss free shit all the time.

There’s just something about having the real deal. I can’t quite put my finger on it but emulated romz just don’t cut it for me. The only games I’ve ever downloaded and thoroughly enjoyed are Sega CD and Turbo CD titles…then again, I can play them on the actual console.

My r0/\/\z setup:

Pentium 4 2.8 ghz
1 gig RAM
TV-out

S/W:
NeoRageX, Kawaks, NJ NeoGeo CD

Controls:
Original NeoGeoCD Stick via Belkin N45 USB hack
Original NeoGeoCD PS2 Pad via PS2-2-USB adaptor

t3h Feeling:
as close as the REAL thing 99%, BUT, it wont beat the feeling of real playing game in actual Arcade (cabinet).

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...me20030512.gif

Only real thing I have here at my apt. is my neo pocket.

Its funny, when you have the entire library of games to play with you can't find anything decent and only play for 5-10 mins at a time before you get bored and move on, but when you fire up a cart you can stay for the long haul and play for days on just a few games. I guess you can't have your cake and eat it too :/

what webcomic is that?

that's hillarious.

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Originally Posted by xmods

Its funny, when you have the entire library of games to play with you can't find anything decent and only play for 5-10 mins at a time before you get bored and move on, but when you fire up a cart you can stay for the long haul and play for days on just a few games. I guess you can't have your cake and eat it too :/

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Holy shit this is so true.

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Originally Posted by xmods

Its funny, when you have the entire library of games to play with you can't find anything decent and only play for 5-10 mins at a time before you get bored and move on, but when you fire up a cart you can stay for the long haul and play for days on just a few games. I guess you can't have your cake and eat it too :/

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That´s the BIG reason.

Emulation is most of the times spot on, 100% and even has some great features like save states, cheats and frameskipping.

But having so many great games you don´t know what to play

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Originally Posted by taitai

what webcomic is that?

that's hillarious.

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Awesome Gamerz

It's been defunct for years, sadly.

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Originally Posted by StickmanLoser

Awesome Gamerz

It's been defunct for years, sadly.

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You really liked that shit? I looked at 3 months worth of them and didn't get a laugh from a single one.

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Originally Posted by ki_atsushi

You really liked that shit? I looked at 3 months worth of them and didn't get a laugh from a single one.

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It was funny years ago. :(

What happens when you make a carbon copy of Penny Arcade, make it even less funny, put a faggot joke every panel, and introduce fucking a 9 year old as the main plot?

Honestly SML, Fuck.

i just recently sold the modded box and bought an SNES and NES and some games. i don't feel right having this mess of roms but not having the game itself. and then it hit me. it's not about having every possible game for the system and being able to play them all whenever, because then you just get an overload and don't care. it's about having the system and a small collection of choice games you know and love and are interested in and being able to buy other games and play them when you feel the urge. having 1000 games means nothing if you only love 30 of them.

I learned this sh8t a loooong time ago in the c=64 era where one could get overwhelmed with games and demos. In the end I only wish I had the originals of my favorite titles which amounted to about 20% of all the stuff I accumulated over four years. Good thing 0-2 day Warez(new games that were cracked and imported/released) was treated like currency.
I maintain as I always have that emulation is good for music rips,sprite rips, snapshots and demonstration(try before you buy).
There is that sense of worth and prestige you get owning the real thing.
BB

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Originally Posted by StickmanLoser

It was funny years ago. :(

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This was funnier than all those comics combined.
I just read every single one of them.

but I still love you man.

Maybe if you didn't play it on your PC you wouldn't ask this.

Set it up right and you won't be able to tell the difference. I've built too many MAME cabs, worked on too many custom setups to honestly say otherwise.

I logged countless hours on MOTW and KOF on my MVS setup. Eventually we stopped using it and used MAME on the HTPC I built. I used the same joysticks for both (Custom built and regular neo sticks) and no one really could tell the difference.

Timing was the same for combos, the whole 9 yards. Heck there were meetups where we used the MAME PC because it's a pain in the ass to move the Neo and a bunch of carts around. No one had any real problems doing what they wanted to do.

Hell I've been on trips where I brought a laptop and the Neo sticks and me and some co-workers/friends would play just like we were on my MVS setup.

All it takes is time and setting it up correctly.

The funniest thing is that this place used to be the most anti-ROM site ever. Then modded XBox's came out and made it so you didn't have to really do any configuration work to get things looking and playing perfectly, and almost all the anti-rom folks went nuts and bought a modded XBox and it was suddenly OK to have ROMZ. Still makes me laugh when I remember how it used to be around here and then what it is now. :tickled:

Like it or not, pro-roms/warez people are one of the (major) reasons why we have crap like DRM. Of course they give a fuck because some of them are quite tech-savvy and always will be able to circumvent protection schemes or other obstacles while Joe Average user/gamer has to pay the price - less useability due to broken protection schemes, hardware incompatibilities (remember the old audio CD protection schemes?), the pay-per-view/-on-demand rip-off, overall rising game/CD/software prices, overly protective distribution (Sony Europe, 'nuff said), etc.

Thank you, romsters and warez dudez, for making our digital world a little bit worse every day... :p

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Originally Posted by Takumaji

Like it or not, pro-roms/warez people are one of the (major) reasons why we have crap like DRM. Of course they give a fuck because some of them are quite tech-savvy and always will be able to circumvent protection schemes or other obstacles while Joe Average user/gamer has to pay the price - less useability due to broken protection schemes, hardware incompatibilities (remember the old audio CD protection schemes?), the pay-per-view/-on-demand rip-off, overall rising game/CD/software prices, overly protective distribution (Sony Europe, 'nuff said), etc.

Thank you, romsters and warez dudez, for making our digital world a little bit worse every day... :p

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So when I showed a bunch of engineers at work stuff about MAME and building arcade cabinets I was partially responsible for the DRM that was implemented in HD-DVD, BluRay, and every other stupid DRM system devised?

I had no idea that emulating old arcade games was so dangerous. If only I had known this sooner!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Xfqkdh5Js4

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Originally Posted by JHendrix

I had no idea that emulating old arcade games was so dangerous. If only I had known this sooner!

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No problem my friend, it's never too late to mend! :D

*buys a ten year old genesis quality fighting game for $350 and says its all for the gameplay*

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Originally Posted by Takumaji

No problem my friend, it's never too late to mend! :D

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I'll have you know that I'm willing to challenge you to MOTW any time, ROM or Cart! :mr_t:

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Originally Posted by JHendrix

I'll have you know that I'm willing to challenge you to MOTW any time, ROM or Cart! :mr_t:

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he's not a MOTW fan, it doesn't look bad enough

try ROTD or Double Dragon

Six years after joining this wonderful "hobby", the only games I feel are still worth playing on the Neo:

MOTW
RB2
LB/LB2
MD3

Why would I play KOF98, or any other KOF when I can play KOFXI?

And each game is only worth playing when there are other people around who also know how to play the game.

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Originally Posted by JHendrix

Six years after joining this wonderful "hobby", the only games I feel are still worth playing on the Neo:

MOTW
RB2
LB/LB2
MD3

Why would I play KOF98, or any other KOF when I can play KOFXI?

And each game is only worth playing when there are other people around who also know how to play the game.

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Sadly, you are completely right, although my love of AOF3 will never die.

Also, KOF2k2 FTW.

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Originally Posted by JHendrix

Why would I play KOF98, or any other KOF when I can play KOFXI?

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:spock:

I love kof 98. It's in one of my cabs right now. Then again, a modded xbox is in one of my cabs too. Happy medium here I guess.

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Originally Posted by kernow

:spock:

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I'd put more stock in this comment if you actually cared for the KOF games at all. :p

IMO, KOFXI is the pinnacle of the series and if I bother to sit down with some friends and play a KOF, this is the game that is the new standard of what gets played.

hah, I do play KOF, well I did 6 months ago

seeing as you're usually wrong on all computer game related things, I'd say you were again.

I mean , who plays squaresoft games any more.

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Originally Posted by kernow

he's not a MOTW fan, it doesn't look bad enough

try ROTD or Double Dragon

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lol

now you're being an ass, man.

Neither do I dislike MotW, nor praise RotD or anything, I've written a review about the latter (check it out in the ng.com review section), it's okay for a bit of casual playing but that's it.

At least I actually play my games and like to discuss them instead of being bitter and negative 24/7.

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Originally Posted by JHendrix

Six years after joining this wonderful "hobby", the only games I feel are still worth playing on the Neo:

MOTW
RB2
LB/LB2
MD3

Why would I play KOF98, or any other KOF when I can play KOFXI?

And each game is only worth playing when there are other people around who also know how to play the game.

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haha

Yeah, of course... :rolleyes: :loco:

Iori's standing B!

I played MS1 last night, actually had some fun :spock:

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Originally Posted by kernow

*buys a ten year old genesis quality fighting game for $350 and says its all for the gameplay*

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lol

ports suck too. :angry:

Roms take all the fun out of everything. I'm putting together a MAME pc for one of my cabs, and its fun to fire up Splatterhouse or something that is just retarded expensive or obsolete. But its just not a replacement for the real thing. Its an intangible feeling that those who've never owned the real thing won't understand and never will.

I don't want roms to go away, because eventually thats all that will remain. I just don't care for them.