I think Dane Cook comes with some occasional jokes here and there that are funny. But, he's highly overrated.
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I think Dane Cook comes with some occasional jokes here and there that are funny. But, he's highly overrated.
I think everyone here knows why he's as popular as he is. However he's been accused of stealing material, so my respect for him is in question.
I don't find him funny, and of course Joe Rogan says he steals jokes, so that's even worse.
Some of his material is mad funny. Some is so far off that it's embarassing. The super powers bit, though. Golden. "Enjoy your spaghetti, you're very rude." :lolz:
I'm wondering, though. Who is more hated? Dane Cook or Carlos Mencia?
Carlos Mencia.Quote:
Originally Posted by KumagaiToshiro
Thats debateable. Carlos is not even Mexican, if I'm correct.
He's Honduran/Mexican mix, but that's never been a hidden thing. He talked about that on Stern a while back before his Comedy Central series hit the air.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShmengeTravel
He's part german... hence his real last name.Quote:
Originally Posted by KumagaiToshiro
I heard he was part german when Joe Rogan called him out. Who knows. Who cares? I just lose respect for people when they steal/lie. Mencia had a really good motivational speech at the end of No Strings Attached, and then he gets accused of stealing other peoples jokes. So much for that I guess.
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Originally Posted by Jedite
http://scamboogah.blogspot.com/2006/...rial-from.html
That's all you need to know about Dane Cook.
Almost forgot about that.Quote:
Originally Posted by VanillaThunder
I can't stand him or his jokes. His voice sucks.
The Superfinger looks stupid and isn't funny.
I think every sane person can agree that they are both talentless hacks who deserve nobody's nickel. Listen to classics, listen to Bill Hicks or David Cross or Dave Chapelle or Chris Rock, but please, for the love of God, stay out of the fucking comedy tard bin.
At this moment in time, Dane Cook is the new "cool to hate" thing.
A few years ago it was cool to hate Blink 182, or Sum 41 because they weren't "punk" Every year there's new stuff that's "cool to hate"
He has some funny stuff. He yells too much but he still makes me laugh.
Opposite problem here. Everybody keeps ranting and raving about Dane Cook. I think I'm the only one in the Central Florida area who doesn't really care for him that much.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Drizzle
To say he's talentless is incorrect. To say he deserves all the credit he gets is also incorrect. Same with Mencia, they are both good entertainers and are worthy of that, but they are good entertainers with other peoples material. That doesn't mean that every joke they do is stolen either, you can't just call them talentless because they stole a joke or two. Was it wrong of them? Yes, but are they talentless, no.
He's ok.
Nothing too special, and nothing I really think of when I think of "classic".
Sam Kinison is the shit.
he's a fucking hack.
only funny to mongloids and faggot frat kids who think shit and fart jokes are funny.
those guys are classics? shit i figure classics are like lenny bruce and george carlin... boy was i wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loopz
dane cook sucks!
By classics, I actually meant the likes of Carlin, Pryor, Cosby, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kim _Kaphwan
That's why I said classics, then listed some more contemporary folks.
:mr_t:
I thought some of his stuff was funny from the one stand-up I saw him do on HBO or something. It didn't make me want to run out and see employee of the month though.
Eddie Murphy's stand ups sucked too, but he made a million bucks
it's all about delivery
and since Dane Cook loves to yell and make obnoxious noises, college kids can identify with him
Minus Chris Rock, agreed (as usual, Loopz). I like Dane Cook's enthusiasm but a lot of the material is just stupid. Bill Hicks I think qualifies as underrated, it's a real shame nobody has ever heard of him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loopz
Somebody should have told me I was actually being cool when I hated Blink 182 back in high school when everyone else was listening to them.
Green Day isn't all bad, though. "Sassafrass Roots" and "Waiting"
but I digress just a little.
EDIT - I did kinda like Cook's 'Kool Aid Guy' thing, was that stolen?
Dane was funny. Retaliation sucked donkey balls.
Niggas vs. Black People was a classicQuote:
Originally Posted by Segata_Sanshiro
Chris Rock in all his un-funniness deserves his place in comedic history for that rant
George Carlin is my idea of a comedian.
Beyond the jokes, he's extremely intelligent, pessimistic and a great overall thinker.
Mitch Hedberg?
It's how I live my life...oh, and Dane Cook and Carlos Mencia are, at the very least, ignorable.Quote:
Originally Posted by roker
I think he is a good comedian, but not as awesome as others out there.
Lewis Black, Dave Attell, and chapelle are in another league (in my point of view).
I saw his Dane's first comedy central special, and it was pure crap, I passed out watching it, there was absolutely nothing funny. Then i saw his on Attell's tour, and it was hillarious, so as far as I know, he is not pretty constant, so he's 50-50.
as far as mencia, im gonna leave this for Dane. ill reserve my comments about mencia in another thread.
most of his material isn't really funny, but it is his presentation that makes it funny. I enjoy him, definately not to the extent that people do, but I have both albums, and enjoy them.
I still prefer Eddie Izzard. Quirkie brit humor is too good.
more like mitch deadburgQuote:
Originally Posted by LoneSage
but he was funny as shit.
Fuck no Dane is a piece of shit.
My buddy called one day and told me turn on HBO to check out his special. I promptly said fuck you that hack isn't even worth me pushing the button on the remote.
Not only does he stea,l he mugs constantly for the crowd like he's waiting for a pat on the back for being clever or some shit. Which sickens me, a comedian shouldn't need anything more that laughfter from the crowd for validation, it's like he waits for them to kiss his ass.
What really makes me mad is his early stuff he comes out in like leather pants takes his shirt off ect.. apparently he couldn't tell the diffrence between a rock star and a stand up.
Fucking sad if you ask me.
I think this Dane Cook impression is pretty spot on. From the minds at MadTV.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tf94cwmC66g
I have actually never seen anythign of Dane Cook, except the ad for that movie with Jessica Simpson. That's all.
Pablo Francisco is awesome though.
Dane Cook is a good "performer" which does not translate to funny or a brilliant standup. It's sad that he's probably going to be remembered as the face of standup for this generation when there are truly brilliant guys out there who blow him out of the water.
Some of the backlash is hip and cool, but I can honestly say I never cared for him. He's very similar to Robin Williams... it's all about delivery and if you don't get it you see the little man in the back flipping the switches for the Wizard of Oz.
Oh, and they both steal material.
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What is the commercial for?Quote:
Originally Posted by wasabi
I saw a few Youtube stand up clips and they were all boring and already used.
know whats funny? Gilbert Gottfreid doing "The Aristocrats"...now thats funny.
Yes. And Billy Connelly was great too.Quote:
Originally Posted by TemJin3000
I have never even heard anything Dane Cook has done past the Comedy Central promos for his stuff. I haven't had cable for more than 6 months now.
Oh yeah, Sam Kinison was gold too.
Only funny when he tries to pronounce Eddy Gordo.
Q: Is Dane Cook funny or not?
A: No he is not fucking funny at all. End of story.
Verily. :multi_co:Quote:
Originally Posted by wasabi
Yeah I saw that episode, Ike Barenholtz is funny on his own but his few shots at Dane have been funny as hellQuote:
Originally Posted by Xian Xi
VT this isn't really a critique or anything, I'm more just curious on the subject.Quote:
Originally Posted by VanillaThunder
It seems that most of the hugely successful comedians have accusations of just being a 'performer' of someone else's jokes thrown at them. I'm wondering what you think about the profession as a whole if the only ones that can get popular are taking material (what in many cases is a lot of recycled topics, I know you made the distinction between common ground, etc.) and performing it better than the creator.
I'll be honest and say when I first saw Dane Cook's Comedy Central Presents special, I liked it. It was funny, and how am I as a layperson going to know that some of his material came from Louie CK? Let's face it, most don't know Joe Rogan for anything except the Man Show v2.0 and Fear Factor, so it just seems like he's jealous of Mencia.
Hope what I'm asking makes sense, I probably rambled a bit.
Oh and is it ok to like Jim Gaffigan or is he a hack too ;)
I like Jim Gaffigan too. All this talk about stealing jokes has got me wondering as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by lithy
Hoooooot Pocket
If you have to debate with yourself, it's obvious they aren't fucking funny.
Like when someone says "I can't decide if i love or hate Lily Allen!" You obviously fucking hate her.
It's hard to say. A lot of that is hate thrown the way of the really successful comics just because they're successful. Comics when you're just starting out are really helpful and it's sort of a fraternity of peers. When you start getting a bit of success, especially when it's faster that others you're coming in with.. it gets ugly.Quote:
Originally Posted by lithy
There's a saying in comedy that goes "Everyone steals, but nobody talks about it." One of the reasons for that is someone you're talking shit about now, you may work with in the future. It's also incredibly hard to prove unless it's obvious.
Here's a "funny" Dane Cook story. (I say funny because it's sort of ironic...not because it's humorous.) It also illustrates this a bit better.
I watch cartoons with my daughter and a couple of weeks ago, I saw this commercial where they had put pants on the Kool-Aid man (it's still on, you can see it on Noggin, Nickelodeon and a couple of others). I wrote a pretty decent bit about it and it plays off really well as a segue to a few other bits I have.
I was sitting around at the club on Wed night and we were discussing our bits amongst the comics. We got into a discussion about common ground material, stealing and writing. Someone complimented me on my Kool-Aid man bit and said
"You know, Dane Cook did a bit about the Kool-Aid man wearing tights.. you guys went two completely different ways though."
I sat there utterly shocked because I don't watch Dane Cook and I'm not familiar with anything of his past his Comedy Central Special a few years ago. (never cared for him)
So now, I'm ditching that bit. It really sucks because it was a strong chunk of material, but there's no way I can do it because he "got" there first.
No one thinks I stole it, but I can't chance it. It's also something somebody who really didn't like me can smash me for later if they feel like it.
It's called "parallel writing", where you come up with the same premise. Happens a lot, especially if you're trying to be topical.
Common ground is just these "stock" jokes that are so common, everyone uses them. People will call you a hack, but not a thief.
Stealing material is the worst thing you can do, period. Like I said before, it's also ridiculously common. Some big comics have writers, so they won't know it's actually stolen. Dane may very well have not known. Only he knows.
Big comics who steal do a lot of underhanded shit. They'll show up at an open mic and steal shit from new and unknown comics because no one will know it's stolen and what is that new comic going to do? Accuse a huge comic of stealing his little bit? They also reword bits carefully and shit like that.
I'd say that it's not a business dominated by thieves and "performers" but people who sniff out success and get addicted. You can handle it one of two ways.. you can make it by working hard.. or make it by taking shortcuts.
You get easily addicted to the laughter and want it more and more. I'm utterly addicted to it, when I get off stage, I want to go right back on.
It's hard to write new material and some people just want the laughter so much they see what works for others and want that for themselves. They're not "bad" people, just people who want that feeling and will do whatever it takes to get there.
It's a talent to be a "performer" and it can make up for weak material. I don't fault Dane Cook for his success because it obviously works. Some people have it and some people don't. I've been complimented before for my stage presence and it's not a bad thing to have. It's the people who just get by on that.. those are the people that get the backlash.
That's what guys like Rogan and CK fight for. The fact that it's their hard work stolen with no recognition. Those are two guys who are really great and it's swiped from them.Quote:
I'll be honest and say when I first saw Dane Cook's Comedy Central Presents special, I liked it. It was funny, and how am I as a layperson going to know that some of his material came from Louie CK? Let's face it, most don't know Joe Rogan for anything except the Man Show v2.0 and Fear Factor, so it just seems like he's jealous of Mencia.
Hope what I'm asking makes sense, I probably rambled a bit.
The reason people get so pissed is because standup is essentially taking your own thoughts and personality... your neuroses and putting them out there. You're taking yourself and putting it out there for approval.
Now, somebody takes YOUR thoughts.. YOUR personality and steals it for themselves. They take your hard work and use it for themselves.
When you say "they did it better" it's shitty. It's not what the writer intended, it's not that person's "true" self. Comedy is about perspective and it's not THAT person's perspective.
Now all that being said, there's the "influence" part. I'm really influenced by the edgy, cringe comics on the east coast. People can be accused of stealing when it's really just influence. A good example is Pryor and Eddie Murphy. There's no doubt Eddie Murphy was HEAVILY influenced by Pryor, but not stealing. People levee that accusation at Eddie Murphy and it's totally unfair.
The biggest compliment I ever got was a pretty good, up and coming Philly comic who came up after my performance and said "Keep it up man, you're going to open for Norton some day."
It was cool because it meant I was being original and I was doing things the right way... but I'm on to the style I like and it's working for me.
That's the difference. You can be influenced or you can steal. You just work hard to have "comedic integrity" but stay true to the form and style. That integrity is what comes through when you perform.. believing in your material and having the confidence to pull it off.
Gaffigan rules. He's an original.Quote:
Oh and is it ok to like Jim Gaffigan or is he a hack too ;)
the answer is no
ALL ENCOMPASSINGLY.Quote:
Originally Posted by LoneSage
Yeah I think that just about covers it ;)
Thanks VT.