What is wrong with black leaders?

I was looking through last week's newspapers and came across an article about someone in our (Virginia's) Senate/House, whatever the guy's name was Hargrove, who had yet again made a racist comment. Except I was surprised when I found out it wasn't actually racist.
The only thing going on in our Senate that I'm interested in is this bill that's supposed to make the state of Virginia apologize for slavery. So this guy, Hargrove, says "Making us apologize for slavery is like asking the Jews to apologize for crucifying Jesus" or something like that.

Am I crazy, or is that inflammatory? Because to me it makes perfect sense.

Apparently the black guys said they were appalled by his remarks, as were others, including a Jewish member (whom Hargrove later told to 'get thicker skin', or something equally badass).
Hargrove thinks asking for people to apologize for something they've never done or had any part in is ludicrous, and I thought the same thing when I first heard of this bill, whatever it is.

If I had to guess, I bet Tom Joyner said something about this, I would have loved to listen what that guy had to say, probably something along the lines of "Another racist Virginian", pfff.

But I can't believe there are actually black people asking Virginia (essentially asking white people) to apologize for having slavery. Hargrove later said something even racier (no pun intended?), that black people should just 'get over slavery'. And at first I thought that was a bit extreme, but then shit, I realized I agree. It's 140 years later and people who never picked cotton in their life want apologies and reparations. It's ridiculous, their problems are [i]their[i] problems, and asking for apologies won't solve shit.

It's this black mentality I can't stand, stuff like 'vote black, employ black, choose black' is just...dumb as hell.

To answer my question in the title, the problem is is that they see themselves as black, and not as humans like everyone else. I know there are a ton of people who think the same way, but when you get people who separate themselves by color into authority, it's not a good model. Every black leader is a black leader and not just a leader.

As for Hargrove, even though I'm not his constituent, I might mail him a letter. People need to stop being so PC and start talking real, like this guy Hargrove. I'm glad to know a guy like him is in the Senate.

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Originally Posted by LoneSage

I was looking through last week's newspapers and came across an article about someone in our (Virginia's) Senate/House, whatever the guy's name was Hargrove, who had yet again made a racist comment. Except I was surprised when I found out it wasn't actually racist.
The only thing going on in our Senate that I'm interested in is this bill that's supposed to make the state of Virginia apologize for slavery. So this guy, Hargrove, says "Making us apologize for slavery is like asking the Jews to apologize for crucifying Jesus" or something like that.

Am I crazy, or is that inflammatory? Because to me it makes perfect sense.

Apparently the black guys said they were appalled by his remarks, as were others, including a Jewish member (whom Hargrove later told to 'get thicker skin', or something equally badass).
Hargrove thinks asking for people to apologize for something they've never done or had any part in is ludicrous, and I thought the same thing when I first heard of this bill, whatever it is.

If I had to guess, I bet Tom Joyner said something about this, I would have loved to listen what that guy had to say, probably something along the lines of "Another racist Virginian", pfff.

But I can't believe there are actually black people asking Virginia (essentially asking white people) to apologize for having slavery. Hargrove later said something even racier (no pun intended?), that black people should just 'get over slavery'. And at first I thought that was a bit extreme, but then shit, I realized I agree. It's 140 years later and people who never picked cotton in their life want apologies and reparations. It's ridiculous, their problems are [i]their[i] problems, and asking for apologies won't solve shit.

It's this black mentality I can't stand, stuff like 'vote black, employ black, choose black' is just...dumb as hell.

To answer my question in the title, the problem is is that they see themselves as black, and not as humans like everyone else. I know there are a ton of people who think the same way, but when you get people who separate themselves by color into authority, it's not a good model. Every black leader is a black leader and not just a leader.

As for Hargrove, even though I'm not his constituent, I might mail him a letter. People need to stop being so PC and start talking real, like this guy Hargrove. I'm glad to know a guy like him is in the Senate.

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Your ramblings would make perfect sense only if shit from the past wasn't still fucking up the present.

Your attitutde towards the whole issue is part of what perpetuates probelms today.

Also, blacks don't vote black...

Ask Lyn Swan, Micheal Steele and ken Blackwell.

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Originally Posted by norton9478

Your ramblings would make perfect sense only if shit from the past wasn't still fucking up the present.

Your attitutde towards the whole issue is part of what perpetuates probelms today.

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Lone Sage has a more open mind to it than you at least. Opinions are opinions, and his makes sense here.

What good does it do to have people apologize that have never had anything to do with slavery? What does that change?

Do black slave traders in Sudan apologize to the people they are still enslaving, who are also black?

The slavery issue is tired. Many people have been wronged throughout history, yet only one group, in one country, feels like they are entitled to reparations for atrocities commited against their ancestors hundreds of years ago.

I don't see the Chinese demanding reparations for the railroads they built here in the 19th century. I don't see Jews demanding monetary compensation for the holocaust. I don't see Africans demanding money for their ancestors that were sold as slaves. I don't see hispanics demanding money for the loss of land in the present day United States, nor do I see American Indians demanding money for the same things.

One nation, one group, one problem.

It's pathetic.

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Originally Posted by norton9478

Also, blacks don't vote black...

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I saw that line somewhere a few weeks ago. Maybe I heard it on the radio, probably The Tom Joyner Show, but still -- I didn't make that line.

My attitude towards what problem?
These guys ask people to apologize for something they took no part in and in no way find slavery acceptable?
That's like if my brother was a burglar and I had to apologize to the owners of their stolen goods. Fuck that. That's on him, not me.

This is a 5th grade argument.


Of course there is no need for people today to apologize for something they didn't do to someone that also wasn't directly affected.

Also, You speak like all black people have this "black" mentality. Go spend sometime in another country where your race is a minority and you're treated slightly differently, but treated this different way on a daily basis. Get used to that kind treatment then come back to America and see how you feel. One black man knows that another black man goes through similar annoyances, and can relate to each other in a small way.

We need kind, casual "mother figure like" black woman as president here in the US for at least one term. You can bet your sweet ass that she would put everyone back in their proper place.

This is really s touchy subject but it is a problem.

Many (not all) of the Black-American population think they are owed something by white America. Be it reparations, public aid, meal tickets, infinite tolerance and respect…

I don’t owe any black men a single dime. I do not own slaves nor did my father, Grandfather, Great Grandfather or Great-Great Grandfather…

Hell, for that matter I don’t think a single person in my family line EVER owned a single slave.

I’m tired of seeing black people getting free rides and unconditional social tolerance simply due to skin color.

Being a white male my mouth is sewed completely shut. I cannot publicly speak against and one of ANY color (other than white) and not even against female. If I do I am automatically labeled as a sexist, racist or “intolerant”.

For fuck’s sake, look at Katrina and the MESS that has stirred up simply due to race. Complete disaster happen throughout the country EVERY YEAR and there is never such a big deal made…

How abou the Midwest floods of the early 90’s? How about the common hurricanes on the east coast or Florida? How about Earthquakes in the west? Tornadoes? Blizzards?

Shit happens…

If African Americans want to blend into society as equals the need to ACT like equals. First off, they are fucking Americans, NOT African Americans (there are a few that are truly African but that is FEW). I’m not an English-American or Italian-American. Going back to Great-Great Grandfather, my family line is pure American…

As long as THEY play the race card, there will be one…

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Originally Posted by qube

Lone Sage has a more open mind to it than you at least. Opinions are opinions, and his makes sense here.

What good does it do to have people apologize that have never had anything to do with slavery? What does that change?

Do black slave traders in Sudan apologize to the people they are still enslaving, who are also black?

The slavery issue is tired. Many people have been wronged throughout history, yet only one group, in one country, feels like they are entitled to reparations for atrocities commited against their ancestors hundreds of years ago.

I don't see the Chinese demanding reparations for the railroads they built here in the 19th century. I don't see Jews demanding monetary compensation for the holocaust. I don't see Africans demanding money for their ancestors that were sold as slaves. I don't see hispanics demanding money for the loss of land in the present day United States, nor do I see American Indians demanding money for the same things.

One nation, one group, one problem.

It's pathetic.

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The good old run around...

First of all, the subject at hand is an apology, not repirations... Nobody seriously expects repirations today... Not even the most ardent of "leaders".

The Slave owners may have died, but entities (Goverments, Corporations) involved in slavery still exist today. Many of them have done particualry well because of slavery.

For the Record, Holocaust surviviors+families have sucessfully sued goverments and institutions over the holocaust.

And the Jews Did shame the world (Europe and North America) into letting them take a big chunk of land from Palestine (which incidently, had nothing to do with the holocaust).

And Indian Land Claims are still on the dockets and the tribes still routinely petion the courts to have them heard.

All in all, it comes down to this.... What's wrong with the State Saying "We Fucked up"?


And I want to know all about this "Preferential Treatment" and "Free Rides". Espeicaly in a time in which a Black Applicant in manhatan is about as likely to get a job interview as a similar White person with a criminal record.

I don't think anyone should apologize for shit, as no one alive today has enslaved anyone.

On the other hand, some of their anger may come from shit like this, made a mere 40 years ago...

http://www.devilsweb.com/gallery/pos...y_is_black.jpg

I don't think reparations are in order, but keep in mind how recent shit like this was.

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Originally Posted by LoneSage

I saw that line somewhere a few weeks ago. Maybe I heard it on the radio, probably The Tom Joyner Show, but still -- I didn't make that line.

My attitude towards what problem?
These guys ask people to apologize for something they took no part in and in no way find slavery acceptable?
That's like if my brother was a burglar and I had to apologize to the owners of their stolen goods. Fuck that. That's on him, not me.

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Did the State of Virginia and It's Legislature exist during the slavery period?
Did it benifit from slavery?

Holy SHit, It did Sparky????..... Therefore, it would be proper to apologize.

Fuck, We are going to be apoligizing for Iraq for the next 50 years..... I didn't vote to go to war, I didn't vote for the fuckhead who got us into it.

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Originally Posted by ResOGlas

Also, You speak like all black people have this "black" mentality. Go spend sometime in another country where your race is a minority and you're treated slightly differently, but treated this different way on a daily basis. Get used to that kind treatment then come back to America and see how you feel. One black man knows that another black man goes through similar annoyances, and can relate to each other in a small way.

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Many (again, not all) Black Americans WANT to be treated differently. They make up their own language, dress like oddballs and alienate themselves from mainstream society.

Sound familiar? Sure, look at the “punk” or “goth” generation. They alienate themselves by their actions and clothing. This reaction is not reserved for Black Americans, it is cast upon anyone that wants to stick out like a sore thumb. A kid wearing white face makeup, sporting 6" bright green hair spikes and 4" black heels would get treated the same as a Black guy wearing pants down to his knees, a 4xl tee-shirt and speaking in heavy ghetto “tounge”...like a misfit. In this regard, many Black Americans get exactly what they want. They dress to stand out and talk to stand out, why would they expect any other treatment?

I work in a trade with many other Black guys and let me tell you, they are treated no different than anyone else. I’d be willing to say that some 7-8 out of ten black people who are actually part of society don’t feel alienated (note the part of society statement, normal, hard working Americans).


If you WANT to stick out, you will. That’s a flat fact.

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Originally Posted by norton9478

The good old run around...

First of all, the subject at hand is an apology, not repirations... Nobody seriously expects repirations today... Not even the most ardent of "leaders".

The Slave owners may have died, but entities (Goverments, Corporations) involved in slavery still exist today. Many of them have done particualry well because of slavery.

For the Record, Holocaust surviviors+families have sucessfully sued goverments and institutions over the holocaust. And the Jews Did demad shame the world (Europe and North America) into letting them take a big chunk of land from Palestine (which incidently, had nothing to do with the holocaust).

And Indian Land Claims are still on the dockets and the tribes still routinely petion the courts to have them heard.

All in all, it comes down to this.... What's wrong with the State Saying "We Fucked up"?

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It's not the states responibility, those people weren't even alive then. That's the issue I have with this whole race issue.

No one can apologize for the sins of others, it doesn't hold any water.

In this day and age, if you are still a racist, then you're a moron. We're all supposed to be working as a cohesive whole, not further dividing ourselves.

@ ResOGlass: You moron, I am a minority.

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Originally Posted by smokehouse

For fuck’s sake, look at Katrina and the MESS that has stirred up simply due to race. Complete disaster happen throughout the country EVERY YEAR and there is never such a big deal made…

How abou the Midwest floods of the early 90’s? How about the common hurricanes on the east coast or Florida? How about Earthquakes in the west? Tornadoes? Blizzards?

Shit happens…

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are you serious? katrina is THE biggest disaster that this young country has ever seen. it wasn't a black problem or a white problem. it was a water-flooding-an-entire-fucking-city-and-destroying-everything problem. don't be so stupid.

while i agree that many black folks should quit complaining about slavery and that whole nonsense, they are still shit on in this country. i used to get pissed that black comedians could tell jokes making fun of white people and other silly shit like that while white people had to be PC, but, you know what, let them have there fun and tell there jokes. because, at the end of the day, as a white man living in north america, my life is easier than most black people's lives will ever be.

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Originally Posted by VanillaThunder

I don't think anyone should apologize for shit, as no one alive today has enslaved anyone.

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Except in Sudan, and other 3rd world nations. Slavery still exists, and is just as wrong today as it was centuries ago. But I get what you're saying ;)

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Originally Posted by qube

Except in Sudan, and other 3rd world nations. Slavery still exists, and is just as wrong today as it was centuries ago. But I get what you're saying ;)

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Yeah, Sudan is a shithole of a place with shitloads of BS.

Forgive anyone who expects different ends from the US and Sudan.

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Originally Posted by ResOGlas

. One black man knows that another black man goes through similar annoyances, and can relate to each other in a small way.
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That's why they all give eachother "the nod".

Even when they are perfect strangers.

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Originally Posted by beatifik

are you serious? katrina is THE biggest disaster that this young country has ever seen. it wasn't a black problem or a white problem. it was a water-flooding-an-entire-fucking-city-and-destroying-everything problem. don't be so stupid.

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I fully understand that Katrina was a terrible disaster but if you really think this has not been made in to black-vs-white or government-vs-black thing you are seriously diluted.

This has been made into a black issue. Haw many times have we had to hear about the race card? How many more Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton speeches claiming that race somehow had a part in the devastation and government response pre/post Katrina?

Come on man, this is the definition of a race issue…I wonder who made it that in the first place?

Hmmm...


Simply do a Google search for:


Jesse Jackson + katrina

Al Sharpton + Katrina

Spike Lee + Katrina

Read the comments, works and speeches made concerning that and tell me with a straight face race had nothing to do with it…

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Originally Posted by norton9478

Yeah, Sudan is a shithole of a place with shitloads of BS.

Forgive anyone who expects different ends from the US and Sudan.

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I'm not sure I understand this statement?

About 'ends' and all I mean.

I blame Blacula.

http://www.disobey.com/horror/poster...ds/blacula.jpg

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Originally Posted by qube

@ ResOGlass: You moron, I am a minority.

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You fucking twit, my post was in regards to the first post in this thread. LoneSage is coming across like a child that doesn't exactly understand why we're blessed to live in a multicultural country.

Edit: I don't dislike LoneSage, I just hate it when people generalize races. Black people do this, Asian people are bad at that, White people think this, Latin people take advantage of that, blah blah blah etc.

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Originally Posted by ResOGlas

You fucking twit, my post was in regards to the first post in this thread. LoneSage is coming across like a child that doesn't exactly understand why we're blessed to live in a multicultural country.

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Well to respond to that post, I work in an all-black environment (save a few whites) and there are quite a few jokes on me, like when someone said I could go to my house at the beach and relax on the weekend.
I don't have a house at the beach.
To be honest I'm not sure where I'm going with this, maybe you didn't read my first post all the way through?

I agree with smokehouse about the word African-American; I've been saying the same thing as you for years. This PC America is just so touchy, about everything.

And about generalizations, I agree with you on that too Res. Generalizations about anything are worthless.
But I can't for the life of me think of one single major black leader who doesn't play the race card every now and then.
People need to stop blaming races and start blaming the individual.

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Originally Posted by smokehouse

I fully understand that Katrina was a terrible disaster but if you really think this has not been made in to black-vs-white or government-vs-black thing you are seriously diluted.

This has been made into a black issue. Haw many times have we had to hear about the race card? How many more Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton speeches claiming that race somehow had a part in the devastation and government response pre/post Katrina?

Come on man, this is the definition of a race issue…I wonder who made it that in the first place?

Hmmm...


Simply do a Google search for:


Jesse Jackson + katrina

Al Sharpton + Katrina

Spike Lee + Katrina

Read the comments, works and speeches made concerning that and tell me with a straight face race had nothing to do with it…

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ONe of my first thoughts on katrina was "Damn, they left those N*****s to die"

None of those pundints put that thought in my head... I just saw what was going on. Bush playing the guitar while motherfuckers was dyin'.

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Originally Posted by LoneSage

on that too Res. Generalizations about anything are worthless.
But I can't for the life of me think of one single major black leader who doesn't play the race card every now and then.
People need to stop blaming races and start blaming the individual.

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No matter what any black leader does, they will always catch the label "Black Leader" first and foremost.

Society molds them into "Black Leaders" they don't choose to become that way.

I really don't know what a "race card" is.

To me, it's just a device for Honkies to write off any statements by a person of color when they tell it like it is.

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He said that the state and local Goverment protected the KKK from 1932-1962... He must be playing the "Race Card".

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Rodney King was needlessly beaten and the cops were aquited.... Anyone who talks about it must be playing the "Race Card"

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Originally Posted by norton9478

ONe of my first thoughts on katrina was "Damn, they left those N*****s to die"

None of those pundints put that thought in my head... I just saw what was going on. Bush playing the guitar while motherfuckers was dyin'.

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"In truth, Katrina's devastation was spread out over a huge area, not just the city of New Orleans with its majority-black population. The Associated Press quotes Sen. Mary Landrieu of Louisiana, who lists four suburban parishes that, along with Orleans Parish (which is coterminous with New Orleans) were hit hard enough to need "long-term rebuilding."

Here are the 2000 census's racial breakdowns of the populations of those five Louisiana parishes, along with Mississippi's coastal counties, which suffered a direct hit:

Parish or county
Jefferson, La. White- 69.8%/Black- 22.9%

Orleans, La. White- 28.1%/Black- 67.3%

Plaquemines, La. White- 69.8%/Black- 23.4%

St. Bernard, La. White- 88.3%/Black- 7.6%

St. Tammany, La. White- 87.0%/Black- 9.9%

Hancock, Miss. White- 90.2%/Black- 6.8%

Harrison, Miss. White- 73.1%/Black- 21.1%

Jackson, Miss. White- 75.4%/Black- 20.9%"


Read the rest here:
http://www.opinionjournal.com/best/?id=110007203

This was a manufactured racial issue...it was a horrible natural disaster with shit government response and NOTHING else. It was not a black issue like many have made it out to be. That's my beef...

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Originally Posted by norton9478

I really don't know what a "race card" is.

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The “race card” is simple…

It is anytime a black person says somebody else’s actions were because of their color.

“He doesn’t like me because I’m black”
“I didn’t get the job because I’m black”
“That cop pulled me over because I’m black”
“I lost the race for governor because I’m black”

You get the point…

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Originally Posted by VanillaThunder

I don't think anyone should apologize for shit, as no one alive today has enslaved anyone.

On the other hand, some of their anger may come from shit like this, made a mere 40 years ago...

http://www.devilsweb.com/gallery/pos...y_is_black.jpg

I don't think reparations are in order, but keep in mind how recent shit like this was.

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Is this movie any good?

Rog is a killer.

I think that the only group to kind of get an apology was the red man. And that came in the form of casinos and their own land in undesirable areas like Minnesota. Those lucky bastards.

To be fair though, I don't think the words I'm sorry were ever said.

LOL

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Originally Posted by Mushiki

LOL

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I will say it…

Quoted for truth…

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Originally Posted by Mushiki

LOL

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It is funny to think that there are special channels and award shows for the different races. Not to mention February which is Black History Month. (Although I think they got screwed by the man here, by getting the shortest month of the year)

Anyway, it is not like you would ever see a channel for whites or an award show for whites, because that would be wrong. The argument would be that the whites already doninate the media and awards so there is no need for their own. Probably true but a little odd at the same time.

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Originally Posted by Gameoz

It is funny to think that there are special channels and award shows for the different races. Not to mention February which is Black History Month. (Although I think they got screwed by the man here, by getting the shortest month of the year)

Anyway, it is not like you would ever see a channel for whites or an award show for whites, because that would be wrong. The argument would be that the whites already doninate the media and awards so there is no need for their own. Probably true but a little odd at the same time.

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UNCF
NAACP
HBCU
NBCC

... and the list goes on

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Originally Posted by Mushiki

UNCF
NAACP
HBCU
NBCC

... and the list goes on

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:tickled: I forgot about the United Negro College Fund. I remember seeing commercials for that when I was a kid (if they still run them I haven't seen them) and thinking the blacks were this poor group of people that couldn't afford to go to school.

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Originally Posted by Gameoz

Anyway, it is not like you would ever see a channel for whites or an award show for whites, because that would be wrong. The argument would be that the whites already doninate the media and awards so there is no need for their own. Probably true but a little odd at the same time.

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What the fuck do you think that 550 of those 560 channels are for?

WHite people...

What the fuck do you think "Friends" was for?

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Originally Posted by smokehouse

The “race card” is simple…

It is anytime a black person says somebody else’s actions were because of their color.

“He doesn’t like me because I’m black”
“I didn’t get the job because I’m black”
“That cop pulled me over because I’m black”
“I lost the race for governor because I’m black”

You get the point…

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What if it's true?

Why do blacks without a criminal record have as good a chance to get an interview as a white with a criminal record?

All in all, you can look any past/current event in this fucked up country and explain away how race is/was not a factor...

But when you you look at the whole picture, it's undeniable. The color of your skin determines more than most people would like to admit. If you can't see that, then shit ain't gonna change.

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Originally Posted by norton9478

What the fuck do you think that 550 of those 560 channels are for?

WHite people...

What the fuck do you think "Friends" was for?

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Why the fuck don't you learn to read before you start throwing the fuck word around. Maybe you should read my last line. :oh_no:

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Originally Posted by Gameoz

Why the fuck don't you learn to read before you start throwing the fuck word around. Maybe you should read my last line. :oh_no:

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Probably

you know what NIGGAS i like ?

mlk and bill cosby.


lead the way.

what we really need is a larger enemy to help us forget about our racism.

i suggest,

a) aliens [cause the blacks would fight till the end, and probly spout off a few great one liners while doing it. OH NO YOU DIDNT.]
b) ghosts [even the ghostbusters, were glad they hired that would-be slave winston zeddemore when PKE energy started to surge]
c) zombies. but i was thinking about it, and i dont think blacks would shoot blazombies cause of that whole brotha thing. sort of shitty.

Firstly, the issue revolves around a Virginia bill that would have The COMMONWEALTH of VIRGINIA apologize for slavery as an institution.

That stupid state Senator apparently had a problem admitting that Virginia, the capital of the Confederacy, was the centerpiece of slavery...and an equally stupid senator decided to exacerbate the problem by adding a whole new ethnic group.

Why are people so up in arms about a resolution that should have happened 200 years ago? Who cares? Nobody is blaming today's white people for slavery, so everyone just chill.

Bringing up BET as some sort of pariah that is an affront to all white americans is also really stupid.

There are Irish themed bars, spanish language channels, korean newspapers, etc. Black Americans have a distinct culture, try attending a black methodist church and then attend a white one and you'll see quite a difference.

This is just gonna end up with the same old whiney idiots complaining about affirmative action and Jesse Jackson. Seriously, just give it a rest.

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Originally Posted by Gameoz

:tickled: I forgot about the United Negro College Fund. I remember seeing commercials for that when I was a kid (if they still run them I haven't seen them) and thinking the blacks were this poor group of people that couldn't afford to go to school.

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About two thirds are.

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Originally Posted by LoneSage

I was looking through last week's newspapers and came across an article about someone in our (Virginia's) Senate/House, whatever the guy's name was Hargrove, who had yet again made a racist comment. Except I was surprised when I found out it wasn't actually racist.
The only thing going on in our Senate that I'm interested in is this bill that's supposed to make the state of Virginia apologize for slavery. So this guy, Hargrove, says "Making us apologize for slavery is like asking the Jews to apologize for crucifying Jesus" or something like that.

Am I crazy, or is that inflammatory? Because to me it makes perfect sense.

Apparently the black guys said they were appalled by his remarks, as were others, including a Jewish member (whom Hargrove later told to 'get thicker skin', or something equally badass).
Hargrove thinks asking for people to apologize for something they've never done or had any part in is ludicrous, and I thought the same thing when I first heard of this bill, whatever it is.

If I had to guess, I bet Tom Joyner said something about this, I would have loved to listen what that guy had to say, probably something along the lines of "Another racist Virginian", pfff.

But I can't believe there are actually black people asking Virginia (essentially asking white people) to apologize for having slavery. Hargrove later said something even racier (no pun intended?), that black people should just 'get over slavery'. And at first I thought that was a bit extreme, but then shit, I realized I agree. It's 140 years later and people who never picked cotton in their life want apologies and reparations. It's ridiculous, their problems are [i]their[i] problems, and asking for apologies won't solve shit.

It's this black mentality I can't stand, stuff like 'vote black, employ black, choose black' is just...dumb as hell.

To answer my question in the title, the problem is is that they see themselves as black, and not as humans like everyone else. I know there are a ton of people who think the same way, but when you get people who separate themselves by color into authority, it's not a good model. Every black leader is a black leader and not just a leader.

As for Hargrove, even though I'm not his constituent, I might mail him a letter. People need to stop being so PC and start talking real, like this guy Hargrove. I'm glad to know a guy like him is in the Senate.

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I must say that I agree with you completely.

I think many black people today have been raised with a victim mentality, and people like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson are the ones that keep fanning the flames. They want people to think that racism is still a big problem in America, and that the government should magically fix all their problems. Have you heard some of the vitriol that came from some people regarding the Katrina issue?! People were saying all sorts of ridiculous things like "our racist government" and "George Bush hates black people!".

I know most of you are gonna jump on me for saying this, but it really bothers me that the Democrats always pander to this sort of mentality. Just a few weeks ago, Barney Frank (the new chairman of the House Committee on Financial Services) accused the White House of "ethnic cleansing by inaction". Honestly, what is that all about? Many other areas of the south that aren't primarily black were also devastated by the hurricane, and they received pretty much the same response as those in New Orleans. So I guess they were being ethnically cleansed too, right? :spock: It doesn't make any sense.

In the end, it all comes down to personal responsibility. In this country, if you invest in yourself by getting a good education, you can do very well no matter what race or gender you are. You can't blame other people for all your problems, and you can't expect the government to provide for your every need.

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Originally Posted by Kid Aphex

what we really need is a larger enemy to help us forget about our racism.

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I fully agree with this statement.

True fact....the day after 9/11 I was in a gas station and some total thug looking homie out of nowhere wanted to shake my hand. Then told me how he'd never realized how much we're all the same side here.

Aside from just being a decent human being ( which sadly can be alot to ask from a person ) there's no major reason for people to accept others in daily life. I always noticed how there was quite a bit of racism at my high school, but the students who played on team sports were almost never racist. Hell, I was a queer looking weirdo who was prone to take alot of shit, but not from anyone on the baseball team. To them I was on their side to help us all win.

Of course, I'm guessing quite a few people here never fully grew up with racism. I grew up in Columbia, Maryland; and pretty much all of my life growing up was racist as crap. Heck, many folks there wouldn't even consider one of color even a human being, or even something as worthy as a dog.

While I do believe some things are going overboard in terms of what people do. What burns me is that people here go way too far, in the other direction, as to believe racism is a long past issue only generation past would remember. Racism has gone both ways from a lot of people. I definitely agree with that. Still, too many people are insensitive bucketheads who let their own absolutely unfair perspective blind them that the horrors of racism died like hundreds of years ago.

I come here, and it's almost like a scenario as if you guys are telling me that my family is having no problems in this society while my sister is being raped. People here seriously, and I mean, seriously have some of the biggest problems of "putting yourself in someone else's shoes" that I've seen in my life. Can't even people IMAGINE this stuff was real? Well, from first person perspective, I can tell you that the shit was and is real and not some fairy tale that existed just hundreds of years ago. You do know that plenty of them people are around my age, raised to have that perspective about people of darker skin color, acted upon them, and you think they *all of a sudden* magically turned a different leaf altogether?

I went through a regular education system, worked my butt off, but no matter how I was raised to speak in the suburban neighborhood I grew up in; no matter how much stuff I learned. Not even a classical education in music training or showing of my intellect changed the fact that I was not seen as human, and many people wanted to bring me down for it. I could perfectly pay for stuff in a store and be accused for stealing it. Those you try to be friendly with, keep you at a distance. If a ball game happened and the ball flew wild, in your direction; you kindly pick it up and hand it to them only to be given the same reaction as if you threated to slit their family member's throat at knife-point. Because obviously, you must've contaminated it, by touch, with some incurable alien disease. Columbia, for me, was basically a secretly false pretense trying to be some "planned utopian community".

While it's true, some people were in a different environment and/or never was in position to see bad acts of racism in action. Don't go thinking the problems never existed. Now you guys try growing up in a whole community where your actual right to be a human being is being attacked, in some way, every single day. Believe me, it does WONDERS for your self-esteem. Perhaps it'll give some people a huge kick of humility.

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Originally Posted by BoriquaSNK

Firstly, the issue revolves around a Virginia bill that would have The COMMONWEALTH of VIRGINIA apologize for slavery as an institution.

That stupid state Senator apparently had a problem admitting that Virginia, the capital of the Confederacy, was the centerpiece of slavery...and an equally stupid senator decided to exacerbate the problem by adding a whole new ethnic group.

Why are people so up in arms about a resolution that should have happened 200 years ago? Who cares? Nobody is blaming today's white people for slavery, so everyone just chill.

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Shhh!!!!

No talking about the topic at hand... It's merely a rouse for people to spin off on thier own rants.

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Originally Posted by Kid Aphex

mlk and bill cosby.


lead the way.

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You do know that MLK was a socialist right?

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Originally Posted by norton9478

You do know that MLK was a socialist right?

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he was also a a rabid sexual deviant. regardless...

The Black Community is Full of millions of black Leaders.

Just go into any of Black-Female-Headed HOusehold. You will find a leader with more strenth and conviction than anywhere else.

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Originally Posted by MUSOLINI

Bush = Hitler, USA = WW2 Germany. the jews replaced by muslims. jews taken over the US. seems all the so called allied forces gone corrupt or too bussy licking the US ass.

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Just one problem homes, We treat our Muslims better than any "Muslim Nation" does.

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Originally Posted by norton9478

Just go into any of Black-Female-Headed HOusehold. You will find a leader with more strenth and conviction than anywhere else.

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Big Momma's House was just a movie, nort.

If I changed the 'black' of your statement into 'white', would it still be true?