I'm really not a fan of the new system launch trend

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11-11-2006, 02:19 PM
Evil Wasabi

I'm really not a fan of the new system launch trend

Why the fuck do system shave to launch now with a premium edition and budget edition? This seems to have started witht he x360 and now it's being done with the PS3. I'm really skeptical of this because reeally - why subject people to the lower budget system - is there a real point to getting the lower end system? Is it really that much more expensive to put another controller and headset in the fucking box? How much do those things cost to make? How much in sweatshop hours? Don't tell me how much these peripherals cost retail, because I already know those prices are bullpoo.

Console makers should release one console, with 2 controllers standard, a pack in game, and maybe a light gun. Man law?
11-11-2006, 02:27 PM
Baseley09

Deffo agree about a pack in game, you know where you are with a console then.
11-11-2006, 02:31 PM
Mushiki

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c1...GenesisBox.jpg

New trend?
11-11-2006, 02:39 PM
Nesagwa

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mushiki

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c1...GenesisBox.jpg

New trend?

Genesis 2 > Genesis 1
11-11-2006, 02:39 PM
HellioN

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mushiki

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c1...GenesisBox.jpg

New trend?

But the Genesis was good...
11-11-2006, 02:41 PM
qubeef

Quote:

Originally Posted by HellioN

But the Genesis was good...

Hahaha, troof!
11-11-2006, 02:57 PM
Evil Wasabi

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mushiki

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c1...GenesisBox.jpg

New trend?

that's not the launch genesis.
11-11-2006, 03:10 PM
GeoStigma

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mushiki

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c1...GenesisBox.jpg

New trend?

Yeah man, I mean the core Genesis didn't come with wi-fi, a 60 gb hard drive and memory stick/SD/Compact Flash. You had to get the premium Genesis for all of that... :rolleyes:
11-11-2006, 03:15 PM
Argentina94

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nesagwa

Genesis 2 > Genesis 1

JVC X'EYE > Either.
11-11-2006, 03:16 PM
not sonic

core referenced the fact that it was just the genesis. that the sega cd and 32x werent included.
11-11-2006, 03:25 PM
Nash

It's just a business ploy by the companies to get people to pay a certain price for a system that they normally might not be inclined to pay for (premium package), but still be able to claim that the system launched at a reasonable price (core package).
11-11-2006, 05:16 PM
jro

Man law.

I broke down and told my parents I want a Wii for Christmas.

Other than only having one controller, it's pretty close to being as described.
11-11-2006, 05:22 PM
Mushiki

Quote:

Originally Posted by GeoStigma

Yeah man, I mean the core Genesis didn't come with wi-fi, a 60 gb hard drive and memory stick/SD/Compact Flash. You had to get the premium Genesis for all of that... :rolleyes:

Quote:

Originally Posted by wasabi

Console makers should release one console, with 2 controllers standard, a pack in game, and maybe a light gun. Man law?

I can give you the :rolleyes: too, you know?
11-11-2006, 05:26 PM
Evil Wasabi

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mushiki

I can give you the :rolleyes: too, you know?

You can do whatever you like. It doesn't change my opinion one bit.
11-11-2006, 05:39 PM
Mushiki

Quote:

Originally Posted by wasabi

You can do whatever you like. It doesn't change my opinion one bit.

Well, considering you also posted this:

Quote:

Originally Posted by wasabi

In that case, screw the $600 version. I have no need for any of those features.

Having 2 different configurations for the system will work out just fine for you and many other customers.
11-11-2006, 05:46 PM
Gameoz

The SNES was a fantastic system because of this reason. I mean Super Mario World as a pack in game, it doesn't get much better than that.
11-11-2006, 06:18 PM
Evil Wasabi

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mushiki

Well, considering you also posted this:

Having 2 different configurations for the system will work out just fine for you and many other customers.

actually, when you told me about the differences between the systems and what the lower end system was capable of, it definitely made the lower end system a lot more reasonable than the $600 one. On the other hand, I don't know if the X360 lower end system can say the same.
11-11-2006, 07:12 PM
Neo Collector

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gameoz

The SNES was a fantastic system because of this reason. I mean Super Mario World as a pack in game, it doesn't get much better than that.

Indeed the best launch pack ever. I agree that all launch packs need to be complete packages, like 2 controllers and at least one game and then you can give the costumer another option with more games, like 3, those who are early adopters wont cry out about the price.
11-11-2006, 08:14 PM
recon_zero

Back then when in the NES era, they gave us a catridge with 2 games, two controllers, a Zapper and a freaking robot

Then, two controllers and Super Mario World

Then, we got shit.

Now producing a disc is cheaper than making a catridge, I wonder why they stopped bundling games.

And $600 pack = tard pack
11-11-2006, 08:27 PM
jeff bogard

Quote:

Originally Posted by wasabi

Why the fuck do system shave to launch now with a premium edition and budget edition? This seems to have started witht he x360 and now it's being done with the PS3. I'm really skeptical of this because reeally - why subject people to the lower budget system - is there a real point to getting the lower end system? Is it really that much more expensive to put another controller and headset in the fucking box? How much do those things cost to make? How much in sweatshop hours? Don't tell me how much these peripherals cost retail, because I already know those prices are bullpoo.

Console makers should release one console, with 2 controllers standard, a pack in game, and maybe a light gun. Man law?

Quoted for Truth...
11-11-2006, 08:36 PM
Beefy Hits

LoL @ Wii

"We" = > 1 player. Only one controller bundled.

Oh well, at least we get a game packed in like the old days, but only because Nintendo feels they need something to demo the system to people.
11-11-2006, 08:39 PM
jeff bogard

Quote:

Originally Posted by GregN.

LoL @ Wii

"We" = > 1 player. Only one controller bundled.

Oh well, at least we get a game packed in like the old days, but only because Nintendo feels they need something to demo the system to people.

doesn't it come w/ one game as well?
11-11-2006, 08:42 PM
Beefy Hits

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeff bogard

doesn't it come w/ one game as well?

Oh well, at least we get a game packed in like the old days, but only because Nintendo feels they need something to demo the system to people.
11-11-2006, 08:59 PM
Evil Wasabi

Quote:

Originally Posted by GregN.

LoL @ Wii

"We" = > 1 player. Only one controller bundled.

Oh well, at least we get a game packed in like the old days, but only because Nintendo feels they need something to demo the system to people.

it should totally come with 2 wiiremotes, but hey, at least you ca use your gamecube controllers on it... But yeah, two wiimotes would be so much better. Why the fuck does it cost $40 for a single wiimote?!
11-11-2006, 08:59 PM
recon_zero

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeff bogard

doesn't it come w/ one game as well?

Yea, a tech demo :buttrock:
11-11-2006, 09:19 PM
Loopz

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nesagwa

Genesis 2 > Genesis 1

You're on crack. Shitty power/reset switches and no headphone jack makes Genny 2 a piece of poo.

I love you anyway ya big hippie.
11-11-2006, 10:49 PM
not sonic

Quote:

Originally Posted by wasabi

actually, when you told me about the differences between the systems and what the lower end system was capable of, it definitely made the lower end system a lot more reasonable than the $600 one. On the other hand, I don't know if the X360 lower end system can say the same.

the core 360 doesn't actually lose any functionality permanently over the premium though.

but it makes no sense to get one since the hard drive is definitely worth it and its still cheaper than the low end ps3.

whats the ps3 hdd good for anyway other than game saves and installs.

360 has a whole marketplace for games, soon to be movies and music, demos, store your own shit, etc.
11-11-2006, 10:53 PM
RAINBOW PONY

Quote:

Originally Posted by Loopz

You're on crack. Shitty power/reset switches and no headphone jack makes Genny 2 a piece of poo.

I love you anyway ya big hippie.

the genny 2 kicks the genny 1's ass in looks man. be real.

i love my genny 2, got it sealed off the-bay about 4 years ago.
11-11-2006, 10:54 PM
jethrek

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Originally Posted by DashK

the genny 2 kicks the genny 1's ass in looks man. be real.

i love my genny 2, got it sealed off the-bay about 4 years ago.

Fuckno.. Genny 2 looks cheap. The Genny 1 looks kickass.
11-11-2006, 10:56 PM
Nesagwa

Quote:

Originally Posted by jethrek

Fuckno.. Genny 2 looks cheap. The Genny 1 looks kickass.

No it doesnt.

And the earphone thing was kind of pointless.

The power and reset on 2 were never a problem for me.
11-11-2006, 11:02 PM
RAINBOW PONY

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nesagwa

No it doesnt.

And the earphone thing was kind of pointless.

The power and reset on 2 were never a problem for me.

ear phone port was useless, well, maybe back then it was useful. every tv and soundsystem has a headphone port nowadays.

genny 2 is so small, and streamlined. doesnt look cheap to me.
11-11-2006, 11:17 PM
broken

Also the Genesis 2 had stereo out off the a/v port instead of having to run a cable from around front off the headphone jack like off the original Genesis.

Honestly, who the fuck used that headphone jack with actual headphones?

Noone that I ever knew.
11-11-2006, 11:53 PM
not sonic

Quote:

Originally Posted by broken

Also the Genesis 2 had stereo out off the a/v port instead of having to run a cable from around front off the headphone jack like off the original Genesis.

Honestly, who the fuck used that headphone jack with actual headphones?

Noone that I ever knew.

i used to plug speakers in it since my tv was mono.

i mustve been around 6 or 8 at the time.

its a tossup between model 1 and 2 for me.

i love the slot loadin cd as much as the top loader.

tho the model 2 does come off a little sleeker with the 32x.
11-12-2006, 12:54 AM
LoneSage

about the genny 2:

it's the best looking system ever made.
nuff said.
11-12-2006, 01:02 AM
Loopz

Quote:

Originally Posted by broken

Honestly, who the fuck used that headphone jack with actual headphones?

*raises hand*

:emb:

:envy:

Sorry man, I just think the Genny 2 is really ugly.
Then again, I like the looks of the old-ass Model 1 MegaDrive best.
Big-ass '16-BIT' bling on top....FTW!!!

:buttrock:
11-12-2006, 01:04 AM
Nesagwa

Whats up with the red power and reset buttons on the Megadrive?
11-12-2006, 01:09 AM
Loopz

Meanwhile, back in the topic...

I still think Nintendo could have done better with their launch.
If they'd packed-in Zelda (while simultaneously killing the Cube version) and WiiSports for $250, they sell every single unit no problem.
They probably will anyway, but I think that would have been a real powerful dick-in-the-mashed potatoes kind of move.

Thing is, none of the other companies that make systems now are really known for their games, so a pack-in doesn't really make as much sense as it used to with Sega, NEC and Nintendo. Besides, Japanese system launches haven't had pack-ins since the Famicom...so it was really a matter of us just becoming more like them.
11-12-2006, 01:12 AM
SpamYouToDeath

Quote:

Originally Posted by Loopz

a real powerful dick-in-the-mashed potatoes kind of move.

Now, class, what can we say about this analogy?
11-12-2006, 01:15 AM
Nesagwa

Quote:

Originally Posted by Loopz

I still think Nintendo could have done better with their launch.
If they'd packed-in Zelda (while simultaneously killing the Cube version) and WiiSports for $250, they sell every single unit no problem.
They probably will anyway, but I think that would have been a real powerful dick-in-the-mashed potatoes kind of move.

Thing is, none of the other companies that make systems now are really known for their games, so a pack-in doesn't really make as much sense as it used to with Sega, NEC and Nintendo. Besides, Japanese system launches haven't had pack-ins since the Famicom...so it was really a matter of us just becoming more like them.

Sony makes Sly Cooper (sort of).

I like Sly Cooper.
11-12-2006, 01:35 AM
Kim _Kaphwan

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nesagwa

Sony makes Sly Cooper (sort of).

I like Sly Cooper.

fag
11-12-2006, 01:46 AM
Nesagwa

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kim _Kaphwan

fag

SHUT UP!
11-12-2006, 01:53 AM
jethrek

The Genesis 1 brags "High Definition" on it.

Eat that, Nintendo! :lol:
11-12-2006, 02:23 AM
TheBigBB

On the one hand, I agree that having different versions of the systems is a little annoying, even if I understand why they're doing it. It's just confusing for the consumer. Even if I perfectly understand what's different about the systems, how am I supposed to know what I'm going to want down the line? I have no idea if I'll play my PS3 much. I have no idea if I'll play my Xbox360 much. I have no idea what model I want because I'm not psychic. Give me one model and then assume all your customers are in the same boat, and develop games from there. That's the POINT of console gaming, right? If the consoles aren't all going to be the same, then why don't we just do PC gaming? They better not take this too much farther in this direction.

However, I don't want a pack-in game. I don't want them to waste money giving me a pack-in game that I might not even want to play. I want them to stay in business and keep making games.
11-12-2006, 02:26 AM
Nesagwa

Quote:

Originally Posted by dmhawkmoon

On the one hand, I agree that having different versions of the systems is a little annoying, even if I understand why they're doing it. It's just confusing for the consumer. Even if I perfectly understand what's different about the systems, how am I supposed to know what I'm going to want down the line? I have no idea if I'll play my PS3 much. I have no idea if I'll play my Xbox360 much. I have no idea what model I want because I'm not psychic. Give me one model and then assume all your customers are in the same boat, and develop games from there. That's the POINT of console gaming, right? If the consoles aren't all going to be the same, then why don't we just do PC gaming? They better not take this too much farther in this direction.

However, I don't want a pack-in game. I don't want them to waste money giving me a pack-in game that I might not even want to play. I want them to stay in business and keep making games.

At least a pack in demo disk would be nice.
11-12-2006, 02:28 AM
SpamYouToDeath

With all the online-ness now, they should just offer enough of their whatever-points to download a game.
11-12-2006, 02:30 AM
TheBigBB

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nesagwa

At least a pack in demo disk would be nice.

Oh I agree with this, definitely. This should be an industry standard to have a demo disc with the system. They'd sell way more games if they did, guaranteed. I have no idea why they don't. Maybe it's too hard to organize companies to do it. Still....
11-12-2006, 02:34 AM
Nesagwa

Quote:

Originally Posted by dmhawkmoon

Oh I agree with this, definitely. This should be an industry standard to have a demo disc with the system. They'd sell way more games if they did, guaranteed. I have no idea why they don't. Maybe it's too hard to organize companies to do it. Still....

XBM and OPM release demo disks every issue, Im sure it isnt THAT hard.

They used to do it with the PSX, and later they started doing free Jampacks witht he PS2 every once and a while.

I dunno.

PS. Nothing to do with this thread really, but Im taking this survey and this is a choice for types of games I like:

Team Sports (i.e. Golf, Football, Basketball, or Baseball Games)

:tickled:
11-12-2006, 02:41 AM
hanafuda

Quote:

Originally Posted by not sonic

360 has a whole marketplace for games, soon to be movies and music, demos, store your own shit, etc.

The PS3 already has this.

You can download movies from the SONY store.
11-12-2006, 08:38 AM
Takumaji

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nash

It's just a business ploy by the companies to get people to pay a certain price for a system that they normally might not be inclined to pay for (premium package), but still be able to claim that the system launched at a reasonable price (core package).

Bingo.

Then you can milk lotsa money from the budget pack buyers for expensive upgrades and silly add-ons.

My interest in all the new consoles is on an all-time low at the moment... I've read reviews and watched vids of dozens of 360 releases and some upcoming PS3 or Wii games and there's not a single title that managed to catch my attention for more than five minutes... same old crap, just with better graphics and/or new control schemes.

Fuck the shiny new world of games, I'm going back to the good stuff again.
11-12-2006, 09:43 AM
RAINBOW PONY

Someone didn't see Mario Galaxy.

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