I mean did ghost busters, GI joe, He man, thundercats and the rest ever get one.
I know around the world in 80 days got one
I mean did ghost busters, GI joe, He man, thundercats and the rest ever get one.
I know around the world in 80 days got one
Shit I'm still looking for the JPN version of GI JOE: THE MOVIE where Duke dies after being pierced by Serpentor's Snake Spear. Still haven't come across it yet, but supposedly the scene ran a minute longer and it's clearly evident that he dies, where the ending doesn't have a radio message that "Duke is going to make it." Then there's the extra bits of violence added to the X-MEN cartoon + an anime styled opening credits as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Legendary LoneWolf
As for endings? That's a good question. I don't think many shows that were largely American shows farmed out to Japanese and/or other Asian Animation Stuidos had proper endings. They just kind of ended.
GK
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Originally Posted by Grizzly King
NNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO U BASTARD HOW COULD U TELL ME THAT.
DUKE LIVED GOD DAMN IT, DAMN YOU DAMN YOU ALL TO HELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
Also we called it Action Force and you know SGT slaughter was the best with this line when someone told him '' forget Falcon and lets get put of here'' and Slaughter responds by grabbing that dude and says'' Soldier we all go home or nobody goes home ''
How about because most American cartoons don't have an over riding storyline that goes from eps to esp, other than GI Joe GOOD, Cobra BAD.
Anime tends to have more of a soap opera feel, while American cartoons have the setup similar to sit coms (not saying all American cartoons are comedies). What I mean is in US sitcoms you have a set of characters that get into different situations every week. The only factor that goes from eps to eps is main characters.
Granted, some Anime is this way, but generally they have the soap feel.
Plus, American cartoons are left open from eps to eps to allow for endless eps to come out until popularity finally dies. Look at GI Joe. That show had like a million (I'm exagerating) eps and only finally died when kids lost interest. Sure, Anime has licensing and stuff, but it's rare to have an Anime that has GI Joe levels of licensing.
what about thisQuote:
Originally Posted by Grizzly King
http://www.amazon.co.jp/exec/obidos/...058598-1504226
That's an IMPORT INTO JAPAN. That means you're importing the DVD from a region that has the DVD released, and most likely that's the US release. If Grizzly bought that, and paid the $36 + shipping to the US, only to find out it's the Region 1 DVD (which it is, BTW, as evidenced by this: リージョン 1 = riijyon 1 = region 1).Quote:
Originally Posted by The Legendary LoneWolf
So basically you'd be buying the R1 release, yet paying R2 prices for it, when you could just pay R1 prices and say fuck it.
Thundercats was actually animated IN Japan, though I don't believe it ever had a Japanese release. It also ran for 130 eps. It's also coming out on R1 DVD.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Legendary LoneWolf
Yo slerch have u seen this jpn Action Force where it is blantant that Duke dies ?
Which sucks for me because I've long wanted the "Extra" editions of American cartoons that Japan had altered for their own tastes years ago, no different from how Japan always gets the bloodier (or more sex in it) versions of American films. And I'm sorry to tell you LegendaryLoneWolf but DUKE DIES! It was originally in the script, Japan actually had it (and I know because I saw it once on a badly copied 4th Generation VHS tape from an exchange student dubbed in Japanese w. a different opening song) in the film... and let's face it. No antidote could have been gained quickly enough to save his ass, not to mention the fact the type of injury sustatined would kill 9 out of 10 ppl.Quote:
Originally Posted by slerch666
Sadly though, most of what I do see available from Japan is just as Slerch said. Stuff they import into their country (though I usually see it in Region 2) but it's the same thing as ours. And I wonder why that is on something like GI JOE: THE MOVIE, when they clearly had about 2 minutes longer than the release we got.
GK
This is simple especially nowadays. It's different systems. Anime is normally based on manga and so there will be an ending in place someday. And if it turns out that it won't be able to continue as long the team puts together an ending because I would say they actually care.
For American cartoons they were mostly there to sell toys in the old days and these days they are still there to just milk merchandise. Our finest cartoons to me are those that have been adapted from something. Sadly they normally get ran into the ground. Atleast this trend is changing as companies are opting to actually end the more respectable shows.
Nah. I'm not big on GI Joe anymore. Never knew Duke died in the Japanese version. Actually, now that I started looking it up, it appears as though the UK version of GI Joe was called Action Force. I'm not finding anything on the movie though.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Legendary LoneWolf
Dude, it's a cartoon where they did totally unrealistic shit in EVERY day of EVERY week. If anyone could have pulled it off, it'd be GI Joe. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Grizzly King
let me guess when Optimus Prime died in the MOVIE and peeps reacted bad, they suddenly made Duke all ok.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grizzly King
Wait slerch what is gi joe the movie in japanese so I can look in yahoo and see the proper ending and I can give Duke the proper send off in my mind that he deserved for saving Falcon.
*Looking into the dark cold night above me and at the stars* You were right Duke, Falcon was a force worth saving. God bless America, land of the free and home of the brave.
TRUE ENOUGH.Quote:
Originally Posted by slerch666
now let me chant the theme song from the later (suckier days) of GI JOE.
"GOT TO GET TOUGH... YO JOE!
You know you gotta' hang tough when it comes down to the wire.
You got to play rough when you cross that line of fire.
You got to be a man and stand for your rights.
You got to do the fighting with all your might.
You got to keep your target straight ahead in your sights!
GOT TO GET TOUGH... YO JOE!
GOT TO GET TOUGH... YO JOE!
YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO JOOOOOOOOOOOOOE!"
Yep you guessed it. It was all due to a special survey group. A lot of kids couldn't deal with Optimus Prime being killed. I remember I was teary eyed in the cinema as seeing "Death" in a cartoon wasn't something I was used to like most kids, but I never went overboard with it. There was this one kid however, that at that screening back when it came out that wailed and sniffled and just wouldn't shut up for about 20 minutes. Apparently this was the case all over the nation and a lot of parents didn't like it. The Studios decided to temper foam reality from kids from that point on. In fact their was some controversy at the time SDF MACROSS got aired in the US as ROBOTECH due to the episode where Roy Focker dies. Part of the reason it didn't get many re-runs during it's initial running, and it helped that it went right into the Super Dimensional Cavalry Southern Cross part of the story arc soon after. There was also a lot of problems when Robotech: The Movie which was MEGAZONE 23 spliced with brand new animation and crappily written in to explain Macross, Southern Cross and Mospeada as shown briefly in Dallas Texas (Luckily and to my terror now I got to see it) when CANNON Pictures tested it. The problem was the scene with Shogo fucking the girl. It was cut out of the film, but it had more to do with the relationships between shogo and the girl + many thought EVE Tokimatsuri was a little too "Sexy" for kids.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Legendary LoneWolf
Thus it didn't make it but for a week or so in Dallas and only surfaced one other time in the mid 90's. Cannon (whoever owns Cannon Films now anyhow) still has the rights to it, but it's not worth watching.
GK
You should have heard the Action Forec theme tune as I prefered that to GI Joe song.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grizzly King
Action Force, international heros, Action Force is here, Action Force, Action Force Or some shit like that
Damn that's sad indeed. I always like the original JOE song that actually said: "It's GI JOE against Cobra & Destro Fighting to save the day!" which was later changed to "It's GI JOE against Cobra The Enemy, fighting to save the day!" Though the one from the movie wasn't bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Legendary LoneWolf
CRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAASHHHHHHING through the sky... comes a fearful cry.
COBRA!... COOOOOOOOOOOOBRA! COBRA.... COOOOOOOBRA!
Armies of the night, evil taking flight!
COBRA! COOOOOOOOOOOOOOBRA! COBRA... COOOOOBRA!
:buttrock:
Well certainly in the 80's American big liscence cartoons served as more of a means to introduce characters into the more lucrative toy market......and like Slearch said the fore thought that lies in japanimation didnt exist, each episode was often a closed text bar the odd double or triple episode.
Some european efforts such as Cities of Gold are an exception.
BTW I wasnt much of a G.I. Joe fan save the Transfomer comics featuring......is the movie something I missed out on?
I need to know, was it called "GI Joe" in Japan, or was it called "Action Force?" This will obviously change what I'd need to search for.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Legendary LoneWolf
Depends on who you ask. I used to be a Joe fan back in the day, but I find it PAINFUL to watch it these days (just like Transformers, Thundercats and so on).Quote:
Originally Posted by Baseley09
If you weren't a Joe fan, don't bother with the movie.
Nah we called it Action Force in England, GI JOE is the proper termQuote:
Originally Posted by slerch666
can someone PLEASE tell me if the GI Joe the American version of the movie had the gore where you actually seen Falcon threw the rod in that dude's eye
It was called GI JOE in Japan bro. I remember the JPN movie as well as I once owned a few of the toys from over there, which were Flint, Storm Shadow and a few others. Here are a few pics of what the toys look like and you can clearly see it was called GI JOE in Japan. Though Japan had a bit more violence and ppl died who would simply just "Dissapear" in the American versions.Quote:
Originally Posted by slerch666
http://sega-spetsnaz.com/Misc-Pics/Cobra-JPN.jpg
http://sega-spetsnaz.com/Misc-Pics/FireFly-JPN.jpg
http://sega-spetsnaz.com/Misc-Pics/Scarlett-JPN.jpg
hope that helps you out a bit dawg.
GK
Well, everything I'm finding is telling me that GI Joe is called GI ジョー (GI Jyoo).Quote:
Originally Posted by The Legendary LoneWolf
If you're looking for stuff on Yahoo Japan Auctions, have yourself a good time looking through this stuff.
If you want a Google search, have yourself a good time.
Maybe Beezl can assist you a little better on this one?
Since, if I'm not mistaken, GI Joe was animated in the US, I don't think they would have made unedited versions to show other countries. Or if they did, I'd think they would have surfaced as US versions by now. Seriously.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grizzly King
Anyway, the GI Joe translation is GI ジョー. You guys can do what you want with it.
If someone decided to Japanese the G. I. part of the name, which doesn't appear to be the case, it would be a different search which I'd have to finger out. I need to go do some shit (like shower), so maybe when I'm finished I'll see what I can do. Hopefully someone else posts it before me. lol
the movie, can you add the name the movie pleaseQuote:
Originally Posted by slerch666
What was the name of the movie? Or was it called GI Joe: Action Force? Or did I miss where someone posted this further up?Quote:
Originally Posted by The Legendary LoneWolf
GI ジョー ザー ムビQuote:
Originally Posted by The Legendary LoneWolf
GI Jyoo Zaa Mubi
That search turns up NOTHING. If there was a proper subtitle for it, I need that. The IMDB link just calls it GI Joe: The Movie.
As for why American cartoons traditionally didn't have proper endings, it's because their goal was to produce enough eps. to go into syndication, where they can be rerun out of order if the broadcaster is too lazy to figure order out. It's the same principle looking at live action shows like Law & Order, which has a loose continuity, but TNT or whichever station it's on will show the episodes in whatever random order.
Japanese shows usually run a set number of episodes (usually designed to promote a certain line of toys or something), and if successful, will be followed by a sequel series (promoting the next wave of toys). The shows generally don't go into "syndication" over there, from what I've seen, although occasionnally a classic will be rebroadcast.
As for "unedited" versions of G.I. Joe or Transforemers: There aren't any. Trust me. The shows may not have actually been animated in the US, but they were written and storyboarded here. What did happen in the case of Transformers (not sure abour GI Joe) is that the Japanese edidted some of the episodes of the original series together in a few cases, to change or condense things. All they did was make a mess of things, imo. Transformers and GI Joe are possibly the only 2 cases in history where the US version of a cartoon is superior to the Japanese version.
I think 'Cities of Gold' was a European/Japanese co-production, though. What a great show that was...Quote:
Originally Posted by Baseley09
Are you 100% this is what you saw as I badly want to see thisQuote:
Originally Posted by Grizzly King
Unfortunately yes I did see this, and I say unfortunately because I've been trying to track a good copy down since 1995. I originally saw the JPN version with Duke being killed in it off a 4th or even possibly 5th generation VHS copy that a guy who used to attend FAST (Friends of Animation In South Texas) meetings in the early 90's got along with a copy of Star Dipwads and Goldfish Warning. Since I have never seen it since then I have come to the conclusion someone may have tampered with the actual footage (that was indeed dubbed into the Japanese language on the tape) as it was on the same tape with STAR DIPWADS which was a parody of STARBLAZERS by using clips of it and ppl adding their own dialogue and what not.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Legendary LoneWolf
If it was then I along with about 20 others got FOOLED. But I still look for it anyway. I see no reason anyone would have taken the time to fake something like that in it's grainy resolution obviously taped numerous other times off of someone's master copy, more than likely an SVHS or BETA transfer to VHS. Anyhow it's not like the film was all that different save that part.
GK
I FOUND IT
http://www.yojoe.com/international/japan/movie.shtml
So slerch please give us a link if u can
Well hopefully it will have the scene in it I saw... that is if you intend to buy it now that you know what you're looking for. I've used my credit card waaaaaay too much as of late and my last transaction for that GMVS of King of Gladiator with ckchan was it for awhile. Let me know if it's in there, but from the looks of that cover it looks the same as the American R1 release.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Legendary LoneWolf
GK
My God we had GI Joe in India
http://www.yojoe.com/international/india/
well if slerch cam translate and give me link from yahoo jpn or I find one in Amazon.co.jp, then I will buy a copy and tell you what happens or cut u one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grizzly King
The Americans and Brits working 2gether :chump:
Hnag on you are saying its look like the same as the American one, ok tell me something where did this extra scene take place exactly as I have the english DVD so I will know if I get this film and watch it if this new scene is in there.
Well we did in WWII so why should now be any different. Only you guys got to have the kick ass maroon berets, we got to wear pot helmets. :( *Anyhow I hope I haven't gotten you sick on the same poison I've had in me for this GI JOE MOVIE version I saw with about 20 others in the mid 90's. It's not fun being one of only a handfull of ppl who saw it and no one else believes you. Since posing your question the way you did to me I really am begining to wonder if it wasn't some Japanese group of guys who did the same thing the ppl who made STAR DIPWADS did... you know, redub and splice a gag video. Only it was the same as the regular movie except Duke dying and the Japanese Kanji in the title screen during the opening.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Legendary LoneWolf
Suddenly I have a headache.
GOOD LUCK.
GK
*Okay you know the part where Serpentor throws the snake @ Duke. In the version I saw with the others, he straightens out the snake and throws it, but then he throws a second one. When it cuts to Duke getting hit, it's actually two of them in succession. The first goes right through him and the second is lodged in him. DOC or whomever it was (I don't own the movie and haven't seen it in years) pulls the snake/spear from Duke's chest. He's coughing up blood and starts talking to Falcon about being a better soldier. Falcon (the guy who did his voice in Japanese sounded like a man with his nuts cut off) is crying and Duke says to him [translated in almost unreadable subs] "Be a serviceman to your country and never surrender. Yo Joe!" Everyone is freaking out who sees him and someone (I forget which character says) "Sayonara Duke..." actually spoken out like... SAI-OH-NARA DOOOOOOK all drawn out.
THE DUDE DIED.
that's the scene as I remember it from all those years ago. Only a few of us whom I am still in contact will go on with what we saw. The others gave up looking for this version... hell it's not in English anyhow so it's not worth much unless you're like me and want oddities in your collection.
GK
So I take it when they have the radio transmission in the ending of our crappy US and UK versions and Falcon says yeah u will be ok Duke, is replaced by something else.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grizzly King
Also WHY THE HELL did u get rid of the 5th gen copy, it might have been shit but still
I already did.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Legendary LoneWolf
That obviously says GI Joe The Movie. This is GI Joe the Movie in Japanese:
GI ジョー ザー ムビ
actually, it would be more like GI ジョー The Movie, since it's clearly written in English there.
Both come up with nothing in terms of searching, neither on Yahoo Japan or Google.
Here's a link to GI Joe searched on Yahoo Japan Auctions, limited to video. This would be where ANY GI ジョー video, be it VCD, DVD, VHS, LD or whatever, would be. There are all of 2 items, both of which have NOTHING to do with GI Joe.
From the looks of your pic, that packaging looks just like the R1 DVD version of the movie. More than likely all they did was take the US release and slap it in a new case with a new dub (for Japanese). I mean from the VHS obviously, not the DVD since DVD wasn't around then.
No one appears to be selling ANY GI Joe videos, be it the movie or otherwise.
You have to remember that by limiting your searches on Yahoo Japan Auctions, you're limiting the number of different items you'll find. That's why when you asked for Fist of the North Star, I gave you a link to ALL the FotNS items, along with JUST a video search. This lets you browse through and see if there's anything else you might want.
I'm sorry, but I don't think searching this way will help you.
My guess, Grizzly, is that the movie you saw was exactly what you feared it to be, some wise ass Japanese getting their rocks off making a parody video.
Grizzly, if you have any info that's available on the 'net about this, I'd be interested. Something tells me that it's just a parody though.
This is what I found on IMDB
The movie was being produced by the same company, and at the same time, as The Transformers: The Movie (1986). It had been agreed that both movies would suffer the loss of the lead heroes, Optimus Prime and Duke. Production had begun on G.I. Joe first, and was thus expected to be released first. During the production of the two films, G.I. Joe Got held up while Transformers finished production. Release dates were changed and Transformers got a theatrical release in 1986. Optimus Prime's death sparked some controversy and caused the writers to change Duke's death to a coma. G.I. Joe never got to the theaters, and was released to video instead. Had G.I. Joe been released first, Optimus Prime might have survived the movie.
Now the jpn could have done the death scene still BUT Grizzly how REAL was this scene, as I have never seen this splicing crap but don;t they normally look shit ?
You misunderstand me. I didn't own that copy. The F.A.S.T. (Friends of Animation in South Texas) meetings was a place where ppl got together and shared Japanimation with one another or foreign films. The guy who had the tape wasn't making any copies off of his because his was already the 4th/5th Gen VHS copy. Thus we got to see that film that one time @ the meeting along with about 9 episodes of a little known and funny anime series called Goldfish Warning, a few eps of Transformers Victory, STAR DIPWADS and some Masion Ikkoku.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Legendary LoneWolf
I haven't seen most of those ppl in ages and that group later became what was in the late 90's and early 2000s renamed the "San Antonio Animation Society" (SAAS) and a splinter group came out of that one called the Dimensional Otaku Hammer Group or something like that. About 1995 I was more or less done with Japanimation and was moving onto other things. It was cool to have seen oddities like that though. Just pisses me off I can't find it all these years later. And to answer you about that final scene, yes there was no mention of "Duke Being Okay" because he was dead. Instead the voice over (subs at bottom) said "We did it. Wish Duke was here. He'd have been proud" something generic like that. And then the film ends.
GK
I have e-mailed GO Joe sites and on IMDB so when I hear something I will tell you ASAP
http://www.stomptokyo.com/movies/g/g...the-movie.html
This line is the funniest
Serpentor makes another sortie against the G.I. Joes defending the B.E.T, this time backed up by Cobra-La's technology. For once the battle goes against G.I. Joe, and Cobra-La captures the B.E.T. In fact, things go so badly that Serpentor even manages to kill Duke by throwing a snake-javelin (again with the javelins?) into his heart. At least, Duke should be dead. The javelin clearly penetrates a fatal distance into Duke's chest, and there is a lot of blood. The wound is clearly untreatable, because it jumps from side to side on Duke's body depending on who is animating him at the time:
Duke appears to die in Scarlett's arms, but some sloppy overdubbing tells us that "He's gone into a coma." Because that's what happens to people who take a spear through a chest. They go into a coma.
The capations are funny under these pics
http://www.mutantreviewers.com/rgijoe.html
Wow, I can think of SSSOOOOOO many fucked up captions for this one...
http://www.stomptokyo.com/img-m5/gi-joe-the-movie-k.jpg
its because most american cartoons were made to sell toys. they run the shows into the ground until the popularity drops, then they kill the show almost instantly. the shows aren't made with a giant story arc in mind, most epidoes are self contained every week, except maybe transformers being the exception. and i doubt they really care if they end a show properly for a bunch of little kids.
this is one thing that has always pissed me off though, all my favorite cartoons just sort of faded away, none of them really ended.
I know shows in japan are made to sell toys and shit too, but at least most of them follow the manga and will have an ending sooner or later.
Disclamer: This has only a minor connection to the main topic but oh well.
A while bach I managed to pick up the R2 release of Transformers the Movie (Black and white Unicron on the cover). For all intents and purposes, it's the same as the U.S. VHS and R1 re-release except for the japanese language track (which has a bad voice sync error) and it just under 4 minutes longer.
You may ask, "what is in those >four minutes." The answer is "not much." It's just edited differently. In the shorter U.S. release, scenes cut-in later and cut-out sooner. Even though stuff is missing, the "flow" seems a little better.
Also, this is one of three cases where i'd say that the english dub clearly beats out the japanese (the other two being Dominion Tank Police and Final Fantasy: Legend of the Crystals OVA).
Also has anybody noticed when certain lines in cartoons were said when they were young they didn't have any meaning or meant something else but when ur older and hear them again, they might be funny.
American Cartoons (even those animated in Japan because Japanese animation labor is cheap, alot like how we whore out Korea today) > Japanese, English, Canadian, South American, Europian, The rest of Asia, and Australian Animation.
http://acmansworld.tripod.com/sitebu...g.w300h225.jpg
I remember the last episode of Fat Albert. :crying:
N.C man N.CQuote:
Originally Posted by Magnaflux