Could someone explain this to me?
The gas prices just climb and nothing is done about it...there is no fucking way it should be this much money...what are they trying to do bankrupt people over fucking gas costs?
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Could someone explain this to me?
The gas prices just climb and nothing is done about it...there is no fucking way it should be this much money...what are they trying to do bankrupt people over fucking gas costs?
Something is being done...by other countries. A lot of foreign contries are planning to release some of their reserves. I'm glad because many places around here are out of gas already.
boo-fucking-hoo.
gas prices should be this high. then people would stop being so careless and wasteful with gas.
That's what you get for electing a Vice President who is a former energy company Fat Cat and allows the energy companies to write current legislation during secret meetings.
And that is what you get for Invading Iraq.
With Sudam gone, the Suadis and Kuati's have ABSOLUTLY NO reason to sell us oil on the cheap anymore. The can get more money from Asia and not have to kiss our asses any more.
Fuck you. I didn't fucking vote him in, thank you very fucking much.Quote:
Originally Posted by norton9478
And when the crisis is gone you will have taxes and keep the same price... welcome to europe post-1st oil crisis :)
As far as gas prices, think about this. After the last price hike, the price didn't go down much (I'm talking from the 70s problem we had). We've had it LUCKY for the last 20 or so years, as even though the gas prices rose gradually, it was nowhere near what it could have been.
I feel sorry for the people who make minimum wage, as now most of their time spent working is to put gas in the tank to get to work.
Do I like high gas prices? No.
One other thing that people tend to bring up is the price of gas in other countries. Well guess what? Other countries aren't as fucking BIG as ours is. I can't really jump on a fucking train and get to work, without wasting more gas to get there than it would be just to drive to work. Public transportation in the US is a little different than elsewhere. When your country is the size of a postage stamp on the map, and ours is the size of 10, then you see why so many people in the US have cars and rely on gasoline.
I really think that getting rid of Sadam is the biggest reason for the Oil HIke.
More so than supply and demand.
Sadam=Threat=Sell Oil to the Americans Cheap for protection.
No Sadam, No threat, no reason to sell cheap.
Guess how much more oil is in the world each time you turn your ignition key?
Exactly.
Its a finite resource, and with more and more people around the world driving and industrializing each year (China and India, I'm looking at you :) ) you are spreading a finite resource thinner and thinner.
Add hurricane disruptions and instability in the middle east, and you have a recipe for a recession causing oil shock :).
Saying that gas should or should not be a certain price is irrelevant. Its a commodity, its in shorter and shorter supply, and voila the price goes up.
Does it suck? Certainly. Can you do anything about it? You can drive less, or spend your time working on alternatives to fossil fuels and save the day Thomas Edison stlye.
Ask the European members how much gas is in their country if you want a little perspective...
so what? americans need lots of gas, because lots of them are too lazy to walk and want to drive huge trucks or stupid sports cars with way too powerful engines.Quote:
Originally Posted by slerch666
plus : oh ... we have to live in nice, little and inexpensive houses, but there's so many of us living in nice little houses that we have to drive for an hour just to get past all these little houses and into the city. fuck that. it's your lifestyle and not the size of your country.
btw ...
my mom has to drive 100km/day also and still has to pay A LOT more for gas than you guys are paying atm. don't even get me started about my dad. he's often driving 1000km+ A DAY!
If the United States didn't invade other countries for no fucking reason, the majority of them would allow us to swap resources.
I'm not seeking World Peace, but what have we accomplished since 9/11?
Nothing.
We need to all reach a mutual agreement that allows us to benefit off of what other countries have in abundance and what we can give them that they are lacking.
I am really hating the entire world right now (Except Switzerland - Thank you for Toblerones) and wish that something would happen that would benefit everyone...
Fact.Quote:
Originally Posted by supergoose79
This is why:Quote:
Originally Posted by supergoose79
- Women need SUV's
- Young kids need Mustangs
- The working man suffers, because our compressors, generators, machinery need gas to operate...
It makes me sick when I see women driving these Escalades, Excursions, H2's, Navigators, Suburbans ect...
It is our lifestyle thats hurting us...
Umm I don't know many people hell really only one or two that live in walking distance of their job. It just doesn't work that way here. As for actual cars, that's their choice. Many people need what they drive and some don't.Quote:
Originally Posted by supergoose79
Personally, I'm just going to buy a Hybrid...
Problem solved.
Where do the chemicals for the electric batteries of hybrids come from? More importantly, where do they go when you want to turf the car?Quote:
Originally Posted by jp.
Also, considering the current cost of Hybrids (and the fact people rarely get close to ideal EPA MPG estimates) I've seen estimates that you would need to drive a Prius 55,000 miles a year for 5 years to break even.
This estimate depends on gas prices of ~6 months ago, so obviously at higher and higher gas prices it becomes less relevant. However, if the numbers are even %60 true I would not think of hybrids as being our saviors.
Nothing in life is simple :)
Why the hell would your dad want to drive 600+ miles a day? What does he do?Quote:
Originally Posted by supergoose79
To be honest, there have been numerous alternatives developed and patented (one such patent involved used cooking oil as the fuel source). However, these patents are currently owned by the energy industry sector's larger companies.Quote:
Originally Posted by BC_Gambit
Currently, there is not enough monetary incentive for the energy sector to develop that avenue of product. However, if their oil and gas sales drop sufficiently and consumers show enough interest in fossil fuel alternative products, such alternatives will become more widely available.
Rather than only complaining about the oil and gas companies, the answer is to conserve gas and use alternatives (public transporation, bicycles, feet, etc..) whenever possible. This will created a need for the energy sector to supplement its income with fossil fuel alternative products.
Its still half the price of gas in the UK
:cool:
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Originally Posted by BC_Gambit
Oil Prices Surge, Gas prices immediatly Rise (despite the fact that the gas won't reach the Station of at least a few months). When Oil prices plummet do you see and immediate drop at the station? Fuck no.
It's all speculation my friend.
We don't need lower gas prices, we need better options for cars. I'm in the market for a car right now but the options suck. I want to get either a good diesel or a hybrid but try finding an SUV or similar with that in the US. The problem isn't SUVs people, the problem is they put shitty engines in them that suck down gas. There is no reason the auto makers can't sell more diesel or hybrid models that actually get 25-30 mpg.
And before you shitheads complain about wanting an SUV, it turns out they have a good amount of space for a family, for travelling, for hauling, etc. A Prius is a little shit box with no space in it. There is no reason an SUV couldn't get at least 30 mpg.
EDIT: I'm talking smaller SUV, like the Toyota 4Runner, the Chevy Trailblazer, etc.
I won't deny that people in the US do like their gas guzzling SUVs, that's not me though so don't lump me there.Quote:
Originally Posted by supergoose79
As far as your "we live in inexpensive houses," that's not true either. Sure, I don't know what a house goes for in other countries, but paying $200,000 for a 2-3 bedroom 1 bath seems to be a bit on the expensive side. But whatever.
So what you are saying is that we should all move to the big cities because that's the way the rest of the world is? So even though we have lots of land in the US we should all cramp ourselves together like sardines simply because that's the way of the rest of the world? Whatever man, that's bullshit. Let's over crowd our cities, have all our manufacturing done in these big cities and pollute the hell out of tiny little spaces, instead of distributing over the huge land mass we have.
I work 23 miles from my house. I don't really care about the price of gas so long as it doesn't top the $4 mark any time soon. I make enough money where the price of gas, thus far, is irrlevant to my getting to work. If I made minimum wage or slightly more, then yes, I'd see a problem. Perhaps minimum wage needs to be raised as well.
So yeah, many of the people's lifestyle in the US is fucked. Buy the gas guzzler because you can, not because you need it.
And on the flip side, if car companies gave us an option for better gas mileage in a car and made those alternatives as cheap as the gas guzzlers, maybe more people would buy those instead? Instead it's the car and energy industry that owns the patents to the things that would actually give us an alternative fuel source. They don't want to give up their cash cow just yet. What I expect to happen is RIGHT before oil runs out, the energy industry will announce some amazing new technology to run a car on processed dog shit, and they'll own the dog shit and the ditribution for it, and charge you just as much as they do for gas.
*does the thank god I just quit my job with a 35 mile commute and got a job working from home dance*
I guess you're right. And considering my 1990 Honda Accord already gets insanely good gas mileage... kinda pointless.Quote:
Originally Posted by BC_Gambit
The difference between North America and Europe is Simple.
Europe: Everyone wants to live in the City.
US/CA: Nobody wants to live in the city. They need cars to get back and fourth.
You're welcome, my son.Quote:
Originally Posted by EvilMike
God, I am so fucking sick of Europeans like you looking from over an ocean and trying to make judgments about a country that you don't live in.Quote:
Originally Posted by supergoose79
In many rural parts of the country, walking anywhere simply is not an option as it is much too far from where people live and where "town" is. Those people obviously need trucks and bigger cars to get supplies they need to survive. Do people in urban areas like mine (NYC) need H2's and Escalades? Absolutely not, everything is close enough to take a small sedan and be just fine if you need a car. Plus, the mass transit system can take you just about anywhere you need to go in this city.
Nice little inexpensive houses? HA! 2-3 bedroom houses around my neighborhood run around the area of $700 grand these days. Those are the "inexpensive" ones. Next you're probably going to say, "well you could just move." Fuck you, I'm not moving, I've lived here my whole life and I'm not going to be forced out by real estate speculators.
Btw, I used to have to drive 70mi per day where I used to work and work 12 hours a day. If I had taken mass transit to work during that time, it would have taken me twice as long to get there and back. That would have left me time for work and sleep, that's it. I'm sorry that my lifestyle of actually wanting to see my loved ones is too fucking hoity-toity for you.
There was an article in todays paper about Hondas new hybrid that it is bringing out.It has a 1.3 petrol engine mated to the electric motor that gives out 115bhp.The engine is lighter then the previous model and is 20% smaller thewn the previos model.It is £16,000(nearly £2k cheaper then the Prius)and it has all touch screens,floating HUD and all kinds of gadgets and gizmos and it does 60mpg.Quote:
Originally Posted by D-Lite
Having a family(and not much spare cash and have since grown out of wanting to be Steve McQueen) I need something with a bit of room so I have a 5 year old Citroen C5 2.0 HDI(diesel)http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...285.jpg.Unlike older diesels it has enough oomph for what I need and it is very comfortable and is very quiet.
On the upside,I get about 36-38mpg just knocking around,if I need to do any motorway driving I can get 60mpg from it which is dandy.
On the downside,I filled up yesterday and it cost me £54 to fill up the tank with the fuel costing 95.8 pence/litre.This is £4.35 p/g which is jsut a touch over $8 p/g(don't forget when working out that over here out gallon is 4.55 litres or about 9 pints).
I wouldn't be able to afford to run around in a petrol motor as a car of comparable size to what I have now would get about 10 mpg less and the fuel is nearly £1 p/litre in many places now.
The majority of the money we pay for our fuel is in tax.For every £1 we spend on fuel,80% of that goes straight to the Treasury :mad:
Over here,new cars are graded as to how fuel efficient they are.With this if its one of the best then your road tax for the year is 'only' £115.Then it goes up in several jumps until you get to the highest rate which is £185 per year.
Theres some dickhead near me who has a brand new imported H2,what a tosser! For a thing like that with its 5mpg 'economy' the owners should be made to pay at least £1500 road tax.Theres no need for such a vehicle over here esp with the prices we have to pay to run our vehicles.
:blow_top:
p.s. my old man has a 2.5 Landrover Discovery and that does 26 mpg knocking around and about 30mpg when on a run.
Well, unless they were using it for what it was originally intended for, which is off roading.Quote:
Originally Posted by soopafamicom
Then again, I'm sure there are vehicles equivalent to the H2 that run diesel in the UK already, so them importing it was just them showing off how big their dick is.
Slash the tires and put baloney on their paint. Spray paint the windows. That's what people in my area have done to other's H2s. Then the owners of the H2s leave signs out stating the H2 is used only for work and hauling stuff. Thank you tax breaks for allowing people to get away with buying a vehicle they don't need and not have to pay tax on the money they spent on it!
There's not really much that you can do about supply and demand economics. Sure, the feds could cap the price of gas. Then we could spend half our day driving around looking for a gas station that's not dry, and then spend the other half of the day waiting for our turn in line to get the gas.
It's time to get serious about alternative fuel.
Not true. Many North Americans want to live in the city (it's convenient). After all, the populations of cities all over the New England area, Los Angeles, Houston, etc. are very high. :shame:Quote:
Originally Posted by norton9478
The fact of the matter is that quality of life (air quality, not being crammed like sardines, etc.) is higher when these areas are not overly populated, so naturally many of us choose quality of life over convenience.
having your own house and not living too close to others is a luxury and luxuries cost money. in this case ... money that buys you gas.Quote:
Originally Posted by slerch666
sure, i'd like to have a house too, but i can't afford one that's near my job and also can't afford to live too far from the city, so i just have to live near other people, wheter i like it or not.
This is the beginning of the 'Long Emergency' folks.
It starts with really high gas prices, ends with the US being a really nicely paved third-world country. The good jobs are being shipped elsewhere, the Chinese are using up the majority of the world's oil supply thanks to explosive development.
9/11 was a test, a last chance for us to ditch our wasteful ways, to set a course for ourselves as the world's pre-eminent green superpower, where we could have truly embraced alternative energy and put our men and women to work giving our nation a total overhaul with projects for building good, dependable mass public transit and getting everything to run off of wind, solar, or other alternative forms of power.
We squandered it, thanks to a President whose pimp is our crooked multinational oil conglomerates who will do everything they can to squelch such a revolution.
It WILL take another Great Depression or similar economic devastation and national unrest before people pull their heads out of their ass and kick our two-headed corporate puppeteers out of office. Till then, enjoy $3-4 a gallon.
Every politician pays lip service to alternative energy policy, but none of them want to risk running afoul of Big Oil. Even John Kerry was a coward in this respect.
I definitely understand where you are coming from, but at this point what you're asking is a long way off. I mean, we've lived in a spread out, fuck all the rest way since the beginning of the US. Sure, there were towns and shit, but people still went their own way and went pioneering and so on. In a sense the US citizens haven't changed much. You have the people who want to be closer to stuff living in towns/cities/whatever, and the people who don't live in the suburbs or middle of nowhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by supergoose79
Personally I live in the middle of nowhere. The closest stores, other than grocery stores which are everywhere, are 45 minutes, or ~25-30 miles, from my house.
I still live with my parents, and even though I could afford to live on my own, I'd have no money to buy the shit I wanna buy or do the shit I wanna do, and still pay for gas, car repairs, mortgage, utilities and so on, so I continue to live here. In that sense, it sounds as though you and I are at least a little similar. Driving 26 miles to get to work at $3.50 a gallon is cheaper than moving out, paying the same fuel costs and having all those other shit ass expenses piled on.
That's why you'll find that even though I admit to not liking the price of gas, I don't complain (too much) about it. There's nothing I can do about it and I still want/need to make money, so I pay what I have to pay and thankfully it's not as bad on me as it would be on those with much lower paying jobs and longer commutes.
No offense, but you cannot tell people where to buy a house...Quote:
Originally Posted by supergoose79
Most of them are escaping the crime related with their city.
Right now, Youngstown is the city with the highest murder rate in the U.S.
Where I used to live is becoming a dump... you know how bad it saddens me to drive past the house I grew up in only to see it being treated like trash?
I moved about 15 mins away...
We have no crime in Canfield... I can take a walk with my wife and daughter at night and not worry about someone trying to fuck with me...
I have not carried my gun for a year and a half so far, in fact I havent even touched it in that long...
Its a luxury that keeps you safe.
Bush has a deal with the prime minister of canada. He uses the prime ministers boats to transport the stuff here and everybody makes money. Since i dont live in the states i dont know who delegates the pricing for gas or the tax for that matter. But if he had any power over the issue i dont see why he would care anyways as he profits.
ya'll voted for him now deal with it.
seconded.Quote:
Originally Posted by beatifik
but at the same time it effects freight on everything that's moved by
a truck, which is just about everything.
it hurts everyone.
though i do get a real laugh when i see SUV commercials nowadays.
a huge truck for 30,000?
hahah.
Hawaii was the first state to do it, and others will inevitably follow: they passed a state law limiting the maximum price that wholesalers can sell gas for. I think I remember seeing that the max allowable price in Hawaii for gas is now $2.77 or something like that (this was about 2 weeks ago, when prices still were in the 2.50-2.60 range here in Colorado).
Sure, it reeks of socialism. Yes, it most certainly is government intervention interfering in the market economy. But it also protects the citizens of this country, which is the main purpose of government.
It'll be interesting to see how high prices have to get before other states start doing the same thing. $3.50? $4.00?
Of course, I would guess that the Supreme Court would say that this is illegal if it's challenged, since it clearly affects interstate commerce, but maybe they'd be smart enough not to go after this one since it's only out there to help people.
A beautiful life after the oil crash awaits us all!
Agreed 100%.Quote:
Originally Posted by beatifik
I will say that the only good thing about living where I live (small town MN) is that both my wife and I live a mile away from where we work. A tank of gas lasts for months. :buttrock:
Personally I don't think that'll be such a bad thing. We'll all just be thrust into a world not to much different from some wacky backdrop to Hokuto No Ken. Only the Strong and the cunning will make it. Ppl will walk or ride bicycles again, (or ride horses) or fight for what little gas is left ala' MAD MAX. The smart one's will see where things are heading right before it all goes to shit and retreat to a mountainous terrain where water is abundant and you can still hunt your food. Stock pile as much as you can, books and more because when that linked scenario finally plays itself out or there's another Depression... the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina proves that mankind cannot be rational and civilized no matter how much they BS themselves they can.Quote:
Originally Posted by StickmanLoser
Do I think mass slaughter and hysteria is the way to live? NO!
But to me it's better than living in a world full of facsimilied fuck offs and self important PC minded assholes where man's not judged by their character or drive to succeed as a human being, but rather what your test scores are. What kind of car you drive, where you live. Well when the shit does hit the fan, the money ppl of the world who suddenly have nothing will commit suicide and all the raunch ass pukes of the world will be the ones igniting the riots. Better damn well pray we never do have our guns taken from us because without "a means to protect" the people will be fucked. People should be judged by their ability to absorb knowledge and use it in a practical manner towards living a life worth a damn, and work towards the very "Innovation" and "Alternative" breakthroughs ppl are always going on about. The fact that everyone from Joe Condom Leak down the street to Dubya and George Soros Billionaire extrodinarie is self important with a "ME" complex is what makes this world the joke that it is. Thus if we cannot all work towards a better future, then by all means I really do pray the collective stupidity will bring forth a scenario that will weed out those who place too much absolute solace in modern convenience over being something more than a Such and Such degree holder with a posh job, house and car. If they're not able to think outside the box and survive, well then I guess they'll die.
Fuck the oil companies of the world.
Fuck this administration
Fuck societal acceptance of "That's how things are"
and Fuck anyone who misconstrues what I'm saying here
& tries to make me out to be some EVIL dude for stating that
mankind needs a boot in the ass to get off their damn high
horse of convenience and prosperity without having learned
shit one from the history of man.
GK
I really wish the Euro crew would just shut the fuck up about their gas prices being "higher."
You fuckers know you make more money for less work and have more vacation days than Americans do.
I bet someone had a superb solution to alternative power like 50 years ago but they were killed by the few individuals running the globe. Then several others were killed throughout the last 50 years for the same reason. Nothing will get in the way of the profit machine that is the oil industry except for a depletion of that precious and limited resource.
All we can do is hope those dumb fucks didn't destroy the plans of all the genious minds they destroyed and introduce the new age in power supply for their profit and continued control of the globe.
I have a feeling they forgot to do that though because they thought oil is all we needed.
If you know the answer, keep that shit on the down-low or you better be sure to get it out to the world successfully. Otherwise, your fucking toast.
They probably have those plans locked in a vault somewhere, so then when the oil does run out, they will have those alternative energy souce blueprints released & they can make profit off of the patents. Bastards.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeoCverA
The conspiracy theories surrounding alternative energy are fucking hillarious.
HE-LARE-E-US
Not as hilarious as the people surrounding the conspiracy theories.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nesagwa
Oh brother, and here come the doomsday theories, on cue.
Just relax people. We'll be fossil fuel ourselves before this shit ever reaches a real crisis situation.
People love t3h dr@ma, especially when they see hurricane footage on the news. The earth will keep spinning, life will drag on as always, and we'll all die thinking to ourselves, "damn, I thought surely that the world would end during my lifetime".
:crying:
I love my Jeep, nuff said.