O.K., so who has proof that this exists?
How much damage can a suitcase nuke cause?
Is America being plotted against?
Is this the end of the U.S.'s reign of power?
Will my daughter have a future to look forward to?
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O.K., so who has proof that this exists?
How much damage can a suitcase nuke cause?
Is America being plotted against?
Is this the end of the U.S.'s reign of power?
Will my daughter have a future to look forward to?
There is no proof because it was complete bullshit. There's no evidence whatsoever. It's just bullshit. If Al Qaeda had nukes here you'd know it by now. Don't lose sleep[ over this shit.
Of course the US is being plotted against, a lot from within.Quote:
Originally Posted by TonK
Get your head out of the sand man.
I'm sorry if I'm ignorant to this information...Quote:
Originally Posted by ttooddddyy
Yeah, I must agree that this is bullshit. Why would a terrorist just hold on to a nuke for a special occasion? I'm sure that they are concerned that somebody might find it if they didn't detonate it immediately.
Habib Marwan in 24 knew that shit. Even then Jack Bauer owned his ass.
How much destruction are we talking about with a "suitcase" nuke?Quote:
Originally Posted by IMTheWalrus
O.K., so who has proof that this exists?
If the government knew of this... would they really come out and tell us? I don't think they would... it would cause a major panic and less people will invest in the country etc.
I guess only the islamo fascits over Al Qaida really knows huh? Well just have to wait and see over time if it's bull shit.
http://exodus2006.com/nukes.htmQuote:
December 1, 2002 -
The following interview was conducted by a reporter for the Al-
Jazeera network with the third-in-command of the Al Queda
organization, Mr. Mohammed Al-Asuquf. Al-Asuquf's background is
impressive; a doctorate in physics and masters in international
economics.
Some of it
Quote:
Al-Jazeera: With all of the security in the USA, how, hypothetically,
will these bombs be smuggled onto American soil?
Al-Asuquf: They won't be smuggled in, they're already there.
Al-Jazeera: What are you saying?
Al-Asuquf: There are already seven nuclear devices on American soil
which were put in place before September 11th and are ready to be
detonated.
Al-Jazeera: How did they get in to the USA?
Al-Asuquf: Before September 11, American security was a fiasco, and
even after, were it necessary, we could manage to smuggle bombs into
the United States. They entered through seaports, as normal cargo.
Previously reported during the past few years.
Al-Jazeera: How is that possible?
Al-Asuquf: A nuclear device is no bigger than a refrigerator;
therefore, it can be easily camouflaged as one. Millions of cargo
containers arrive in seaports each day, and no matter how efficient
security is, it's impossible to check, search through and examine
each container.
Al-Jazeera: Where did these atomic bombs come from?
Al-Asuquf: They were purchased on the black market.
How much damage can a suitcase nuke cause?
Most suitcase tactical nukes are said to have around 1/10 the power of the A-Bomb that was dropped on Hiroshima... don't let the "1/10" fool you, one of these things can kill a few 100,000s easy in a busy city. It is also said that they have nuclear war heads taken from missiles (10x more powerful that Hiroshima)... it would consume significantly more.
Is America being plotted against?
Phff, for sometime now... they are 1000s of Al Qaida sleeper agents in this country right now, even before 9/11... they have been living their lives as "regular" people and many even have families etc, many are also highly educated (doctors, professors etc) and not all look like arabs. America and Israel are considered the great Satan, Babylon or whatever evil empire you choose.
Is this the end of the U.S.'s reign of power?
If it is infact true that a nuclear holocaust plan is counting down withing several cities... it will kill countless people easily dwarfing 9/11, the economy will collapse and most of the surviving government will retreat into Norad or some fortified position... everyone’s basically is fucked. This could be the start of a WW3... because there is no way that clown Bush can give another empty speech about fighting evil or some jack ass on TV apologizing for using "radical" and "islam" in the same sentence. BUT I don't believe this will end the US reign, but it will forever change this nation.
Will my daughter have a future to look forward to?
Only God knows... be thankful for everyday is a gift.
They're not nearly as destructive as a traditional well built nuke, the core is basicly what's in a powerplant ( Uranium-238), so about what we dropped on Hiroshima. A modern Uranium-241 warhead would make Hiroshima seem like a firecracker.Quote:
Originally Posted by TonK
How much the uranium is enriched is how destructive it'll be.
It's a modern day doctor Strangelove.
One thing that needs to be mentioned about the effect of a nuclear weapon is the height.
In order to inflict maximum damage, a nuclear weapon needs to be properly detonated at a certain altitude. If it is detonated on ground level, it will cause a lot of damage, but not the amount possible if that same nuke is detonated in the air.
If you look into ICBM's and what not, they have a pre-set altitude at which they explode to create the most destruction at the intended target.
1. Can generate stronger blast than what happened at Hiro and Naga, can tell you that much.Quote:
Originally Posted by TonK
2. Fuck no
3. how's the song go.. "the future looks bright, better wear shades" :cool:
While there is no doubt a low grade nuclear weapon going off in any major metropolitan area would be absolutely horrible, it wouldn't necassarily bring the United States to her knees.Quote:
Originally Posted by ttooddddyy
Perhaps if Washington D.C. was hit and the Pres, his administration, and the whole of congress was wiped out we might be in a bit of a temporary shit, but I imagine that our country would still go on as the respective states would be still be able to function more or less autonomously.
Still, I don't think this is something to worry about. One or two small bombs isn't going to destroy the the United States. We're out of the cold war now and don't have to fear hundreds of powerful ICBM's coming from the Soviet Union and raining down on our shores. And even during the cold war its debatable as to whether or not that was a serious threat. The whole strategy of mutual assured destruction was just insane in the first place.
The only way to destroy this country is just that - destroy it entirely. I don't think the American people are too likely to back down from a fight. So i just don't see one nuke bringing us to our knees. We tend to get angry when we're hurt.
But then again what do i know i'm from the backwoods.
-duf0
PS: If you're fearing shit like this you may as well not even get out of bed in the morning...that is until you realize that every year around 400 people in the US accidently suffocate themselves to death in their own bed. Either way, you're screwed.
Don't waste your time worrying, you can't do anything about it anyway.
Yep. That's why I don't fully understand how the Star Wars protection would work. Would it shoot down a warhead while in the stratosphere ? Cause that's the last damn place you want a nuclear explosion.Quote:
Originally Posted by DangerousK
PS- You don't need nukes to take down America, just destroy it's economy and it'll implode.
Where did this info come from?
Is it true?
1. have cousins at the pentagon.Quote:
Originally Posted by TonK
2. yus.
edit: seriously though, it's Physics. dropping something 5,000 feet up in the air is gonna do a lot more damage than dropping something from 5 feet. then you've got more work with atom acceleration and what have you.
Well what the fuck are they waiting for?
And why haven't we leveled Pakistan and Iraq yet?
Congress needs to let Bush do what he wants.
what the fuck, let another Gulf of Tonkin resolution go up? bad idea to have one man complete control over every aspect.Quote:
Originally Posted by TonK
unless his name is Cincinnatus (and he's been dead for over 2000 years), then hell no.
Johnson was THE MAN. Don't tell me otherwise.Quote:
Originally Posted by LoneSage
God bless his little ole heart, the man had good intentions but you can't put a whole war on one man's shoulders.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lagduf
if it weren't for gay ole Nam, his Great Society could have been so much.
http://www.neo-geo.com/forums/showth...=124253&page=2
see my posts #29 & #30 on this issue. *Suitcase Nukes are anti-personnel low yeild. FOUR of them have been unnacounted for (Missing) since 1998, and it's directly connected to the whole Rick Ames cluster fuck from the late 90's too. Read the article on what the hub bub is on how easily illegals do their thing on our shores too. Do the terrorist have one? Not right now, but don't underestimate these assholes either. I wouldn't lose sleep over it though, I sure as hell am not, but I like to be as informed on it as possible. If one ever goes off, just pray you're in the Hot Zone (Ground Zero) when it does. But as DangerousK already said above, and more to the point because a suitcase nuke is anti-personnel on a "Tactical" level, their yeild/destruction is not that of an airborne ICBM going off which is a high yeild device. Not to mention major soft targets as well as hard would've had MX series of missiles (hence the title of the 1987 Konami game > MX-5000... the MX series were Russian ICBMs) pointed at a target. Usually one for a lower altitude and one for a intermediate airburst.
MERCENARY X99
My sentiments exactly sir, Johnson was definitely a good ole texas style gentlemen cowboy at heart.Quote:
Originally Posted by LoneSage
For real :crying:Quote:
Originally Posted by Diavle18
We could always go Collateral Damage Schwarzenegger, stop giving a fuck about life and give it all we got by kickin' some terrorist ass.Quote:
Originally Posted by C.A.R25
some days you just get your blood flowing and you feel like kickin ass, ya dig?
This is exactly the same thing that Al Qaida has stated... how exactly will anyone want to invest in a country with such a massive terrorist attack?... It surely won't be "business as usual" the day after (or even years for that matter).Quote:
Originally Posted by Abasuto
Quote:
Al-Jazeera: Will this attack annihilate the USA?
Al-Asuquf: No. But the process will have begun. Who will buy food
products from the United States knowing they may have been
contaminated by radiation? Who will travel to the United States
knowing the possibility of contracting smallpox? Who will continue to
invest in American institutions? Just as with the World Trade Center,
it will be simply a question of time before the entire economic
structure collapses and turns to dust. If our objectives are reached
with one bomb and the smallpox, probably we'll save the lives of
others, however that's risky [unlikely?], and it's probable that six
more bombs will be detonated, one per week, and other attacks with
chemical weapons will be carried out.
Al-Jazeera: How many innocent people will die?
Al-Asuquf: According to estimates made by me and Ayman Al-Zawahiro,
somewhere around 15 million due to the atomic bombs and their
radiation. Of those exposed to smallpox, 25 percent will die,
approximately five million, and many more due to the ensuing chaos
and disorder.
Al-Jazeera: What about the American military response?
Al-Asuquf: There will practically be none. Even if five or ten cities
were chosen at random to be destroyed, that would still be a small
price to pay. The problem is the economic despair will be so great
that even economizing by not using arms unnecessarily will occur,
since the liquidity of American goods will be almost zero and at that
point the United States will make more selling its Nimitz-class
aircraft carriers, which cost about five billion dollars, to Turkey
or Italy for one billion dollars, since the country will so urgently
need to recapitalize, though it will be too late. Moreover, how will
the morale of American soldiers be knowing that their entire families
have died and their country no longer exists. Fight for what?
1. i very much doubt any terrorist organization has any form of nuclear weaponry that that are willing to waste on the US. If anything they would only do a mass organized nuke strike at several key locations and that kind of coordination, planning and execution prolly cant happen without us knowing beforehand at this time.
2. if we were ever to be nuked in any way, shape or form you can rest assured we would clam up tighter than abasutos ass after sitting on an ingrown hair. terrorists do not want this. and they would not want the retribution that would surely follow. i think we would definately transorm into a nuke first ask questions later campaign as scary as that sounds.
3. the only thing i would be scared of is the chain reaction of nukes that might possibly occur if any sized nuke was executed on the US. people are scared of nukes and im sure there are a lot of itchy trigger fingers all across the globe with access to nukes.
4. we know this, the terrorists know this, everyone knows this. when a country (most, as long as youre not france or sweden) gets threatened on their home turf it does not bring apologies. it does not bring regret or a change in policy. it brings a lot of pissed off folk eager to enlist and get shipped out. if the terrorists really want us out of the picture they prolly know not to bring nukes into the equation. if they do it only means we have seriously overestimated them (which i believe we do anyway).
man i hate nuclear weaponry. what a miserable invention. :oh_no:
For a sign just like the 1st 9/11 I guess :( ... remember Bush is more interested in throwing more money to Africa, giving more empty speeches at fund raisers, and anything else to keep his failing PR afloat... while the other dunces argue over a throat cutter's bagel not being hot enough because we troops never followed the proper halal procedures... or because he was "too hooot." :annoyed:Quote:
Well what the fuck are they waiting for?
Like the war in Nam, we got "wiz kids" from Washington running the war who don't know shitQuote:
And why haven't we leveled Pakistan and Iraq yet?
How can they with the pathetic political bickering?... How can they when 1/2 of them don't even know who or what the enemy is because they are more worried to not “oooffending” the Muslim population? Some of them rather be mouthpieces for the throat cutters than to actually work towards a winning solution... I see this everytime I turn on the TV, damn morons.Quote:
Congress needs to let Bush do what he wants.
And Bush has less interests IMHO because there is no election.... and you wander were the "red, orange, green" color coad went huh? It seems to be a FRAUD, if Bush has any real interests, he would NOT have called independent groups like the minutemen "vigilanties" like they were criminals... he's just another politician just like the rest of empty suits.
We have an impotent government, this ultra tolerance, political corrected ness bull shit is leading us all down a pretty garden bath towards our own destruction.
Think nukes are scary....
By international treaty, smallpox should exist in only two places: the CDC in Atlanta, and the Russian lab Biopreparat. But in recent years there's been much speculation that some of the former Soviet Union's stockpile may have found its way into other hands. Back in 1985, Gorbachev had signed a 5-year plan allocating $1.2 billion to create a weapon out of smallpox. The five-year plan had an annual quota of 100 tons of smallpox—enough to kill every man, woman, and child in the United States. Russian scientists also conducted experiments to create a superpox that would be impervious to vaccine (which, Brilliant wincingly noted, is an "absolutely simple" thing to do). Then the Soviet Union collapsed, funding dried up, and the scientists left. "We don't know what happened to all the smallpox," said Brilliant. "That's the dirty little secret that everybody worries about."
EDIT :http://www.gbn.com/ArticleDisplayServlet.srv?aid=6600 added the full article.
Larry Brilliant is the President of the GBN and spends about 30-40 days a year at my job ( CDC ).
Vaccine proof strain of smallpox gets lose and spreads to several international cities before we can catch it, well ....game over.
kudos.Quote:
Originally Posted by neo>all
. . . my favorite Kurbrick flick
I'm just waiting for when we have to go underground in the fall out shelters and then repopulate the earth. I call vixen.Quote:
Originally Posted by roker
All this stuff sounds like it came from a movie... if I had to go, I rather be in the centre of a nuke... at lest I would not even know. These fuckers could have alest given me a date, it's like 'when should I get the gas mask?'Quote:
Originally Posted by Abasuto
True, but here's a good movie script to....The US trains some arabs to help fight off Russia, 20 years later the group america funded and help trained turns around and flies....i'm sure you know how this movie ends.Quote:
Originally Posted by C.A.R25
I've never had that attitude, I'd prefer being about 1/4 mile out. Sit back as the ground shakes, the sky darkens to a glowing red as I watch a wall of fire comes to blast me away.Quote:
if I had to go, I rather be in the centre of a nuke... at lest I would not even know.
Reason being.. I'm scared for my daughter more than anything...
I'd give my life for her faster than chimp replies to a Nintendo thread...
This whole thing is unsettling and disturbing...
The fact that C.A.R.25 is the one posting all the 'scary shit' in this thread tells you all you need to know about the validity of these claims. Utter horseshit.
CAR25 is a retard. Anyone who cares about that interview is. People associated with the Talibana nd Al Qaeda have no credibility. They want you to be afraid every second.
FACT: there is no evidence Al Qaeda has obtained a suitcase sized nuke.
FACT: A suitcase sized nuke will NOT produce a Hiroshima-size explosion. And in case you didn't know, Hiroshima still exists as a city.
It was already pointed out in the other thread: we can track radiation levels. The people who carry out Al Qaeda attacks are real stupid, but the people in charge tend to be extremely intelligent. Therefore, risking leaving nuclear material in this country for years is preposterous. One nuke would do enough damage that, if smuggled in, Al Qaeda would have it set off immediately. Waiting for four suitcase nukes (assuming they could even gather all four missing ones) just isn't a viable claim.
This is pointless fearmongering being doine by only the extreme ultra-right (read:CAR25). It's on the level of meteor strikes, tsunamis, tornados, and hurricanes. Of course they can happen, but it's not worth worrying about unless you work for astronomical observatories, seizmic observatories, weather forecasting, or national security.
There is a reason there has been no use of a nuclear weapon in war in the last 60 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by TonK
The trouble with a nuclear war is that it will destroy the entire world. The nuclear weapons that exist now are nothing like the one's dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Those might as well be considered "firecrackers" in comparison.
Although there is an alternative to a nuclear bomb now, there is the neutron bomb. It offers the same widespread loss of life without the destruction of buildings, cities, etc. Hence you could set one off in NYC and kill the entire city and still have the entire city standing.
No. Actually, there's a LOT of "low yield" nukes around, many that are much weaker than Little Boy and Fat Man. For a while, the U.S. and Soviet Union developed many behemoth nukes, but when they started getting into figures like 300 megatons they lost their apetite for that kind of spending. Most poorer nuclear powers like Pakistan and India posses low yield nukes, not things that make Hiroshima look like a firecracker.Quote:
Originally Posted by DangerousK
Um there is a significant factor that is not being addressed with all these fears.
These "missing" bombs and "missing" smallpox or whatever were "missing" for quite a number of years now.
I'm not a nuclear scientist or a chemist, but I do know that certain things, especially the nukes require quite a bit of maintenance after a while. I would assume that some kind of biological disease would also require some kind of maintenance to keep it alive, given how it's contained, you have to keep it in some kind of stasis (frozen) and it has to be brought out of that stasis and then distributed (hard) or it has to be contained and kept alive by giving the virus more "food" to consume.
Is it still possible that something big can happen with these weapons? Sure, it's also possible that Kim Jong Il (or however you spell it) will fire a nuke at us or something, or that we'll have a massive earthquake and California will break off the US crippling the economy.
Don't worry about it, live your life. If you sit there and worry the terrorists will win.
/cliche
"Al-Jazeera: What about the American military response?
Al-Asuquf: There will practically be none. Even if five or ten cities
were chosen at random to be destroyed, that would still be a small
price to pay. The problem is the economic despair will be so great
that even economizing by not using arms unnecessarily will occur,
since the liquidity of American goods will be almost zero and at that
point the United States will make more selling its Nimitz-class
aircraft carriers, which cost about five billion dollars, to Turkey
or Italy for one billion dollars, since the country will so urgently
need to recapitalize, though it will be too late. Moreover, how will
the morale of American soldiers be knowing that their entire families
have died and their country no longer exists. Fight for what?"
The American response would be:
There is no more Middle East, and probably no more Allah as we probably nuked his bitch ass into oblivion as well.
Actually I think the response would be more along the lines of the US dropping the leash and muzzle we have on Isreal.
There would be genocide of the Palestinians, then Iran, possibly SA after that.
Basically WW3.
Worst part is, we wouldn't really "drop the leash", more along the lines of "we won't be strong enough to hold the leash anymore".
Pass.
Quote:
Originally Posted by jethrek
And you know this how? I am sure your TV will give you all the answers... I won't even waste much more time responding to a fool who assumes what little his head can take in, because it's clear you have done little to look up the background information as it relates to this topic.
Gee, do you think my Neo Geo collection will be worth less after a few nukes go off?
The scary thing about the whole thing is that there are different levels of terrorists. There are those fighting politics and trying to get their point across and then there are the crazy ass ones who would suicide bomb their own family to kill people. There are different kinds of terrorist cells out there. The crazy ones would have absolutely no problem running into any country with a nuclear weapon, not just the US. I still think Canada is a safe place, or maybe I am just convincing myself of that, but one thing I do know is that this is a war that can never be won. Terrorists don't just live in the Middle East. They are everywhere, just like spies, living normal lives only coming into action when called upon. Any country could be hit at any time.
Yeah, why should I Google away and read about topics when I can sit back and let low-IQ-designed TV forfeed me this alongside the latest stardom gossip?Quote:
Originally Posted by C.A.R25
Retard.
Very nice point there, although virii do not actually need "food", many viruses can exist for long periods with no refridgeration. Nevertheless, though, I'm very certain they require a fair bit of maintenance. (at least most of them. I understand the entire reason anthrax is such a scare is that it is fairly low-maintenance as bio-weapons go, but it's also very difficult to handle)Quote:
Originally Posted by JHendrix
Cliche, but true. Terrorists are out to do just that, hurt us by scaring us.Quote:
Is it still possible that something big can happen with these weapons? Sure, it's also possible that Kim Jong Il (or however you spell it) will fire a nuke at us or something, or that we'll have a massive earthquake and California will break off the US crippling the economy.
Don't worry about it, live your life. If you sit there and worry the terrorists will win.
/cliche
There is nothing to fear but fear itself!
/cliche
No, he's right. Hiroshima still exists as a city. I read it in a book.Quote:
Originally Posted by C.A.R25
. I was actually hoping he wasn't referring to Hiroshima existing, but the yield of suitcase sized nukes.Quote:
Originally Posted by SouthtownKid
Anyway, Modern Hiroshima:
http://www.richard-seaman.com/Travel...erialPhoto.jpg
:kekeke:
A suitcase sized nuke could have a yield anywhere from 1 to 10 kilotons of TNT, a bit less than Little Boy's 13 Kilotons. The viability of such nukes is still questionable, even though it is certain possible.
And really, 10 kilotons is a sophisticated suitcase nuke. I think Al Qaeda would be happy to have a primitive, barely detonatable nuke inside the US.
http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/News...ukesExist.html
Car25 fails at life.
if worse comes to worse they make great coasters.Quote:
Originally Posted by Martha Stewart
I think Neo Geo will be a valuable resource when we're all underground in bunkers.Quote:
Originally Posted by neo>all
"Mr. President, we cannot allow a mine shaft gap!"
Youngstown is probably not going to get nuked.Quote:
Originally Posted by TonK
You should be more affraid of someone carjacking your girl and your kid on the way to school.