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I don't understand how anyone can say that the Angels "deserved" that win...
Both teams played well, but the Yankees were overpowered again...
The Angels won, so what?
At least Chicago took Boston out... scrubby fucks.
After we win tonight, its gonna be funny to watch the Angels fall in their own stadium.
Yea that would be koll. Let me know.Quote:
Originally Posted by ajk1080
Atlanta and Houston are STILL playing...it's the bottom of the 18th inning tied up 6-6. Clemens is pitching...and batting since the Astros have no more players left :eye: :eye:
About...friggin...time!!!
7-6 Astros in 18. Clemens is the winner ;)
Wow, just WOW. Great game.
Now I'm just trying to figure out how Washburn gets scratched for a throat infection. I mean, I didn't think you could choke BEFORE the game started... :kekeke:
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Originally Posted by ajk1080
I've heard some tickets going as much as $2000, I guess that XB 360 Omega bundle isn't crazy after all. Seriously, if Chisox can just get to WS it'll be a big boost for Chicago, look at what happed to the Cubs in the past.
The Astros-Braves game was a productivity killer, couldn't get anything done today because of that, but I'm glad Astros came through.
I'm liking the Yanks in Game 5. Burned through Shields tonight and got Escobar to throw a lot. Sweet......
They'll have Johnson, Wang, and Small in the bullpen...that will be good...plus Flash Gordon, and I'm sure if needed Mo can pitch.Quote:
Originally Posted by D-Lite
I wish I didn't have to work tomorrow night, oh well.
Should be a good game.
I actually missed most of tonights unfortunately... Sounded like a great pitching matchup from what i heard.Quote:
Originally Posted by DangerousK
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Originally Posted by Neo Mike
It was a solid pitching matchup.
If anyone is prone to giving up a run or two it seems to be Scot Shields.
Since K-Rod is rested that is good for the Angels...they still have Donnelly as well.
If I am an Angels fan I would be a bit apprehensive about Bartolo Colon starting the game given his track record against the Yankees. But he could rise up to the challenge.
Mussina is still questionable even though he pitched a great game in game 1. I have concerns about his elbow. He can pitch a great game, then his next start he gets blasted.
For the ALCS, it's playing right into the ChiSox hand. Not only do they get full rest, but the Yanks and Angels have to go from coast to coast to midwest w/out any time off. Plus since its game 5, they will be, "calling all cars", just to get to the next round.
Remember how everyone thought the Yankees had the ALCS wrapped up after game 3 against Boston last year?Quote:
Originally Posted by ajk1080
Don't automatically assume Chisox has this wrapped up before they even play.
The Yankees will sweep Chicago, given the opportunity...Quote:
Originally Posted by DangerousK
All they have to do is plow through Colon tomorrow with Da Moose...
Cakewalk
I sure as hell won't assume anything when it comes to Baseball.Quote:
Originally Posted by DangerousK
Unlike the retard that posted above me.
I'll remember this if they lose tonight.Quote:
Originally Posted by TonK
That sounds painful. :help:Quote:
Originally Posted by TonK
6 more outs till another underachieving Yankee team bows out of the postseason.
Good stuff.
I'd like to say "THANKS" to George Steinbrenner who has no idea on how to build a baseball team for this.
I do hope the idiots who babble about the Yankee payroll shut up now since it is more than apparent they can spend whatever they want and not win.
haha yankees lost. i came home to catch that last out. rodriguez showed there what a pitcher needs to do more and more. cover first base.
A-rod sucks...Quote:
Originally Posted by Kim _Kaphwan
I'm glad they lost.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kim _Kaphwan
I'm so sick of watching how horrible that team is.
This is why you develop teams instead of buying them...chemistry is everything.
The Yankees of old was what Yankee baseball was about. They made things happen. This team is so hollow they have no heart.
A-Fraud once again.
Amazing how he has no ability to even play in the postseason.
His career postseason numbers are horrible.
The regular season stat compiler.
Anyone who actually thought Mike Mussina was going to pitch a good game....LOL
Yeah right, he's so washed up at this point in his career. No consistency in the last 2 seasons.
I would have started either Wang or Small since they actually can pitch.
Johnson? A waste of $16 million.
Good call to sign Carl Pavano and Jaret Wright. That's $60 million down the drain.
Congratulations to the Angels because they played to win unlike those idiots on the Yankees.
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Originally Posted by TonK
He'll still be a first ballot Hall of Famer regardless.
A-Rod does nothing but put up numbers that look great...he doesn't have the heart to play in the postseason.
Can't handle it.
That reminds me, the YES Network said it best about the 2005 Yankees.
"Looking back, looking forward."
If you don't look at the present you can't do shit.
If the Yankees even win a World Series by 2010 I will be amazed.
if the cubs win a world series by 2010 i'll be impressed. they still need to do itQuote:
Originally Posted by DangerousK
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and as for the fact that buying teams is pointless. you're right on the money. the few developed yankees out there (jeter, matsui, williams) are worthless when the rest of the team was bought and paid for and doesn't know how to work with the rest of their team. this is why i like the braves, and the redox, members of that team have been there since what 1994, 1998? i mean those guys have had to work together for a long while. as have the astros, they know how to cooperate, they know how to handle situations, and they learn how to handle other teams that's why they've both become consistent figures in the post season, they don't always pull it out in the post season (hell lok at the braves who've been there for 15 years and only made it once) but they're there every year, and there becoming steady show ups there. unlike the yankees who are getting knocked out every year. and look at how the season started for them! god they were sucking terribly at the start. but hey there's always next season. i love baseball, and have since i was old enough to hold a bat and play t-ball. and every spring as the grass gets cut, the field gets lined and the sun stays out later and later i know that i'll hear woo smacking leather, and gloves catching balls. i think this year i want to go to as many ranger games as i can. just so i can spend my saturdays in dallas and my time watching those fellas play. nothing like baseball, nothing on earth like it. must be the cuban in me that loves it so much, or the suspense of the game, but no other sport can get me like that.
Haha.
Light up the HALO!
The 200 Million Dollar Yankees come up a dollar short yet again in Anaheim.
"the thorn in the side of the Yankees"
I love it.
Next up: White Sox
Over confident yet again.Quote:
Originally Posted by TonK
The Angels have no problem with the Yanks... Look at the record since Torre took over. Angels always seem to win the close ones.
Wow. I agree with you 100% on these points.Quote:
Originally Posted by DangerousK
I hope the team is taking the white sox seriously this time around. Yes, we swept them last time we met, but after the quite dominating way they took out the bosox, i must admit i'm a bit more worried than i was before...
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Originally Posted by Neo Mike
Mike, the Boston Red Sox this year were horrible.
It shouldn't come as a surprise that they got trashed by the White Sox.
But consider this, the White Sox offense is not very good.
They looked good against the Red Sox, but only because the Red Sox pitching was so depleted at that point that anyone could have beaten them the way the White Sox did.
What happens when the White Sox actually face quality pitching from the Angels?
It's going to be a different tune.
Sure the White Sox have good pitching, but Jose Contreras is streaky. El Duque is not the pitcher he was. I'm not saying both should be written off, but I would consider the fact that either pitcher can be good or bad. Don't forget overall how close the White Sox came to imploding near the end of the season.
I think the Angels are the better team regardless of having had to used their bullpen.
I think the Angels will take this in 6.
I think they may initially get hit hard in the first two games because of lack of rest. But they should roll.
Their bullpen can hold leads. Not to mention they can score runs as well.
I think Vlad will be showing up along with Chone.
Santana is the man. A rookie this year! It was a humongous gamble to hand Santana the ball...but like he said in the post game interview: "It's baseball...there's nothing you can be nervous about...if something happens...it happens...there's nothing you can do about it." (paraphrased).Quote:
Originally Posted by TonK
So here he is...with a tremendous experience pitching in the playoffs, and he's a promising starter for the Angels for years to come. That, my friends, is worth far more than 200 million dollars.
BTW ESPN Analysts (Kruk and Reynolds) are picking the Sox in 5. Should be a good series. Somehow Butta, I knew it would come down to us...
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Originally Posted by TonK
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"light up the halo"
Agreed. Not really gonna say anything else, just gonna enjoy the games.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neo Mike
You can't rule out the whole team... the Yankees were a decent team, but didn't play like one.Quote:
Originally Posted by DangerousK
Thats the only reason they lost.
That's why I never picked the Yankees to beat Anaheim because when it comes down to it, they can't win anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neo Mike
Yankee Stadium is no longer the advantage it once was for the Yankees.
It's like I tell people...when I was sitting there watching games 4 and 5 of the 2001 World Series I believed the Yankees could win. The odds of the Yankees tying the game with 2 run homers in the bottom of the 9th with 2 outs were so astronomical that it bordered on improbable. That will never again happen in the World Series, or if it does, we will be long dead.
I truly believed in the team because they had everything it took to win.
Now?
I don't believe in this team any longer.
Am I a fan?
Yeah, but I know realistically this team is complete garbage outside of a few players. A-Fraud is not one of them.
See I kind of got lost in the A-Rod hype when he came to the Yankees and forgot how little I thought of him prior to that. This series reminded me of how worthless he is as a team player. He just plays to compile individual awards and statistics. I love how he likes to say he is about the team...he never was otherwise he wouldn't have ran to Texas for that $252 million. The sad thing is the media says almost nothing bad about this guy. Where was the fan reaction to how badly he was playing? Sure they were quick to boo the Big Unit, but A-Rod is somehow absolved of all wrongdoing. Please.
Given the choice, I would take Scott Brosius and Paul O'Neill over Sheffield and A-Rod any day of the week.
Of course we all know how this moronic postseason will go.
Steinbrenner gets mad.
Steinbrenner fires people.
Steinbrenner overpays for more free agents.
The Yankees make the playoffs in 2006 and get 86'd quite easily.
Eh, at least we won our Division....Quote:
Originally Posted by Neo Mike
I honestly thought we were going to win tonight...
No big deal... I don't dislike the Angels... as long as it wasn't Cleveland or Boston :chimp:
Decent?Quote:
Originally Posted by TonK
No way man.
They have not played like a decent team since 2001.
I'm not joking when I say that.
I just pointed out A-Fraud's inability to perform when it counts as well as Mike Mussina's inconsistency.
Sheffield can' perform either...kind of like last year's ALCS.
Joe Torre made a couple of bad decisions IMO.
I never would have started Mussina tonight...not with his track record as of late. I would have used Small and Wang. They might have had a chance.
No one really cares about winning the division.Quote:
Originally Posted by TonK
The Braves have been winning since 1991 and as impressive as it is, how many World Series Championships do they have to show for it all?
1.
Dude, quit rambling....Quote:
Originally Posted by DangerousK
Here is what a fan would say:
"Oh well, I guess we will see ya in '06"
The Yanks will be there soon...
And I'm hoping for next year...
I love how the Yankees are run, I love how they are hated, and I love the payroll...
I don't give a fuck what anyone says...
The Yankees ARE baseball
No other team can ever match the popularity...
Whoever wins this World Series will quickly be forgotten...
Everyone wants to see who the Yankees bought for 06..
I LOVE IT!
Thats your opinion.. I'm done with this bickering.Quote:
Originally Posted by DangerousK
I'm a Yankee fan...
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Originally Posted by TonK
I'm sorry man but you really don't know shit about baseball or the Yankees.
They will continue to keep losing because the fans are too stupid to stop going to the games.
More money generated means more spending money for Steinbrenner, hence more free agent signings.
If you really are a Yankee fan you would be concerned about the overall shape of their farm system.
Most of the so called "Yankee fans" have no idea how bad their farm system currently is.
Steinbrenner is doing what he did in the late 1970s and it eventually blew up in his face in 1981.
It took them 15 years to effectively rebuild the team to what it was.
1996-2001 was more focus on actual team than names.
Talent wise a lot of the current players on the roster are better than the players at the same position on the 1996-2001 teams, but head to head the current team would lose badly. Main reason being the overall lack of chemistry and true desire to win.
I'm just pointing out what too many blind Yankee fans do not want to see.
Opinion?Quote:
Originally Posted by TonK
More than half of that was simple facts.
Like I said check out A-Rod's lifetime postseason stats.
From there you need to look at Mike Mussina's overall performance in 2004 and 2005.
Check Johnson's overall divisional series stats, it says a lot.
Arod is fraud, check out how he racked up HRs, RBIs, BA at blown away and blowing away games during the season to command high salaries, Steinbrenner needs to wise up. The ONLY guy I really feel bad about is Derek Jeter, probably the most consistent player and delivers when you need him, but the rest of team just blows, including the collision between Sheffield and Crosby.
The Yankees fans are going through what us Braves fans have already gotten use to. It's a painful thing to watch, but you'll get use to it in due time.
My advice, enjoy the division clinching celebration a little more and don't bother standing in line to get ALCS tickets.
EDIT ~~ I'm not a Yankees fan, but you're a goddamn idiot if you claim A-Rod is a joke. Check out his stats. For his entire career he averages 44HR, 125RBI, 23SB and a .307 average. Those stats to keep up year after year for 10 years is simply amazing. Not to mention the fact he rarely if ever misses a game over injury.
Another way to word that would be to say....A-Rod gives 100% effort no matter what the situation at hand is. Losing by 10, winning by 10, he still gives it all he's got. That IMO is a sign of a true athlete.Quote:
Originally Posted by vincewy
OK, he had a shitty post season this year. No one is perfect. Check out his career postseason stats. Until this year, he had a .331 BA in the postseason with 12HR, 16 Doubles and 32RBI in 52 games. Those are damn good numbers.
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Originally Posted by TonK
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Another Halo victory wtg Angels :buttrock:
Just like the Yankees beat the Red Sox the last weekend of the seasonQuote:
Originally Posted by DangerousK
:p
If the Red Sox were HORRIBLE and the yanks had the same record teh yankess are horrible too. This is pretty amazing the first time in history two teams with 95 wins are horrible :kekeke:
You know, for all the talk about developing from within, you guys are pretty off base with your assumptions and conclusions. I agree, getting talent from within is crucial, but you seem to forget were players come from.
Considering regulars/starters
2005 Yankees homegrown: Mariano, Jeter, Robinson Cano, Jorge Posada, Chien-Ming Wang, Bernie Williams, some middle relievers (Proctor, etc). 4 position players, 2 pitchers
2005 Red Sox homegrown: Trot Nixon, Bronson Arroyo, very late season middle relief (Papelbon, Hansen) 1 position player
Realize that Varitek and the rest were from trades and free agency.
2005 Angels homegrown: Erstad, Figgins, GA, B Molina, F. Rodriguez, Donnelly, Shields, Lackey, Washburn. 4 position players
And from the great Yankee teams from 96-2001? O'Neil and Tino and Brosius were all brought in from trades. The pitching was by trade and free agency except for Pettitte.
What I'm saying is it's hardly JUST from internal talent. It's spending your money wisely. Sheffield was a good pick up for the money but was ARod? Sure he was. They never would have gotten to the post season without his numbers, but he didn't perform up to the massive contract. I would rather have a healthy Scott Brosius or even Charlie Hayes in there.
Yanks have learned though and you can bet there will be many changes coming. The upper minors (AAA and AA) are low on grade A prospects except for rhp Phillip Hughes, but A ball is LOADED. They have been drafting better and should start developing again. And the best use of money is for KEEPING the best talent you develop.
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Originally Posted by Abasuto
It's a known fact that in pressure situations A-Rod cannot perform.
Ever notice how when the game is a blowout he keeps blasting homeruns and everything?
When he needs to actually get a hit, he usually grounds out or strikes out.
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Originally Posted by D-Lite
A couple of quick points.
Bernie is finished so it matters nothing about him coming through the organization.
Offensively and defensively he had little to provide this year.
Don't let the old "It's Bernie" sentiment get ahold of you.
I love the guy but he no longer has it.
Second, Dioner Navarro would have been a good replacement for Jorge Posada which they sorely need now as seeing Posada is now at the start of his decline. But they traded him away.
Those middle relievers were horrible. I don't care if they came from the system because they were not any good. Joe Torre put that right out in the open by not wanting to really use anyone outside of Sturtze, Gordon, and Rivera. Not to mention Sturtze looked eh this year.
Yes some of those guys on the championship teams came through trades. But what you need to remember is they focused more on putting together a team with chemistry.
That's more important because a close knit team that can play fundamental baseball will rise to the occasion more often than not. That's why they won. They never truly had a massive star along the lines of A-Rod, but they were by far more productive when it mattered.
Don't forget Cashman wanted Guerrero but Steinbrenner wanted Sheffield. Who do you think the better choice would have been?
Same thing with Bartolo Colon, they should have picked him up but they passed for nothing.
Lieber's departure hurt because they had a pitcher who could pitch in big games.
I could go on and on.
Jeter, Rivera, Soriano, Posada, Wang, Petit, Cano.
Not many teams have produced this many stars of this calibur in the last 10 years.
Damn no love for the NL on this site :oh_no:
I'm estatic to see a rematch of last year's ALCS with a healthy Andy Pettite on the mound for Houston. That series is really killing me as I enjoy both the Cards and the Astros. I want to see Bagwell get a ring just as badly as I want to see Albert get one.
In regards to the AL teams, I gotta root for the Halos over the Sox. I've been a fan of Vladimir since he came onto the scene and I'm still pissed the Indians got knocked out of the postseason (even though it seems they laid down right at the end). But if Chicago can pull it out and eventually win the World Series, I wouldn't be mad. Lord knows it's been long enough since the last time the Sox took it all.