Halo 2 Reviews/Opinions: Mine and anybody else's

I figured that I'd give an "average" guys view of the Halo 2 campaign. I wasn't a hardcore H1 player, but I did enjoy playing through most of the first game's levels 2-3 times. Warning, Spoilers may abound.

I just finished H2 about 2 hours ago, on normal difficulty. I played thorough about 70% of the game with a friend in co-op, so much of the game I saw in "wonderful half-screen vision".

I enjoyed the game. Finishing it wasn't a chore by any means. The graphics, sound, and gameplay were all as good as I expected (i.e. fun, but I wasn't "OMG my brain is melting this is so roxxxorz")

Highlights of the game were numerous, but my stand out moments are the "return to halo" levels and the point where the arbiter and the sarge join forces.

Bad bits of the game were pretty much universal to most non-retarded reviews I have read. Some of the levels were confusing, expecially in split screen. I can't count the number of times I lost track of which direction I was supposed to be going, and had to wander down generic corridors until I saw something recognizable.

Dark areas were also too common. What is this game, Doom 3? .The flashlight helped some of the dark areas, but playing as the arbiter was occasionally sucky as he lacked a flashlight. The level designers apparently never clued into this when lighting the overly dark covenant-viewed levels, and the game suffers.

Onto the ending: Yes it sucked. Unless Halo 3 (or more accurately, 2.5...) is waiting in the wings for a release within the next year, I don't understand why they would end it the way they did. It ended mid-cutscene, almost as if they had footage that continued, but just said "cut" and we'll split the game in half here.

Also, considering the ending, continuing the game on a next gen console would be retarded. Where are all the new weapons and vehicles etc. supposed to come from? Mid battle, a bunch of new stuff appears, gets new textures and abilites, and the battle continues on? Methinks not... (most good games get around this by actually finishing the story, and picking up somewhere else...)

It was a stretch just to add the brutes to the game. They were decomissioned, then recomissioned sure, but how much more of that can they pull out of their ass?

Again I'm left with the suspicion that bungie dropped the ball, or they've really finished the game.

Oh well, I'm sure I've left out 80% of what I should put down here, but the mystery surrounding the ending is probably the most discussable point!

Well I actually really like the story up until the ending. It give the covanent a face and a story, but man the ending is just so adbrupt. Just when the story is peaking, they end it. I've watched the special edition DVD and you see how much Bungie really wanted to cram into this game and see how much they had to cut out. Its actually very disheartening, cause these folks bust their asses to make a top notch game, but Microsoft gives them a deadline and they HAVE to meet it. And with a deadline, things will be cut. I remember from working on Madden 2005 many things were cut because they just couldn't be fixed in time to make the gold disc deadline.

The Bungie is very passionate in their work and I hope they can get Halo 3 out with in the year. Keep the same engine, fix the weapons/monsters they wanted in the game that got cut, and finish off the story. All in all, I think Halo 2 is a masterpiece and provides a rocking time in terms of gameplay. Story, just utter disappointment.

I would have to disagree on the game play. Halo 2 is indeed a sad example of a first person shooter. After playing many hours of this at home and at a friend's house, this game is nowhere near good. Here are just a couple of reasons why this game is junk:

- No hit detection: For instance, I made my buddy stand in front of me, and I took his shields down, then I shot him about 3-4 times in the body and killed him. After that, I took his shields down again, and when I shot him in the face, it took 3-4 shots to kill him. 3-4 shoots to the body = 3-4 shoots to the face?? Where are my head shots? This is poor coding indeed.

- Poor A.I. intelligence: I see no real improvement in the A.I. system. Enemies seem as dumb as ever and only when I got to the higher end enemies did they even start to take cover or show any sign of intelligence.

- Frame rate problems: Now I know this games runs at 30 fps, and for what it's worth, that's fine with me, but I had some multiplayer games slowdown to around the 15-23 range. Again, as I've said before, this is more lazy coding and just sad.

- Poor coding of the levels: I found it interesting that when the damage ratio was raised for characters (a.k.a.- being able to increase how much damage you can take), not only did you and your buddies have more life, but so did the surrounding environments. So for instance, if I want to shoot a barrel that takes 1 shot normally, now when I raise my health, it get raised too and now I have to shoot it 3-4 times. That really messes with the strategy of the game and is again, more lazy coding.

- Shield bar: I noticed the attention to detail in this game was a bit lacking. Take for instance the shield of Master Chief on the Covenant. Notice any difference? No, that's because there is none. They used the same gauge. Evidently aliens and humans, although bent on killing one another and from two sides of the universe, have discovered the exact same shield technology. Yet again, it's lazy coding and programming.

- No zoom on the pistol: Need I say more.

All in all, this game was a big disappointment. Not only does it take things out of the old game (which was decent at best), it doesn't do things that video games on consoles and PCs are doing now, and have done for ages. This game was in development for three years? Wow, I would hate to see what they would have put out in 1 or 2 years. Folks, this is an alright game, but now it has turned into nothing more then a game where accuracy doesn't get rewarded, there's slowdown, poor A.I., and a lack of care in the coding and programming. Have fun all you want folks, but this is yet another game on par with the Backstreet Boys: over hyped, and overexposed.

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Originally Posted by Jedah Doma

I would have to disagree on the game play. Halo 2 is indeed a sad example of a first person shooter. After playing many hours of this at home and at a friend's house, this game is nowhere near good. Here are just a couple of reasons why this game is junk:

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- No hit detection: For instance, I made my buddy stand in front of me, and I took his shields down, then I shot him about 3-4 times in the body and killed him. After that, I took his shields down again, and when I shot him in the face, it took 3-4 shots to kill him. 3-4 shoots to the body = 3-4 shoots to the face?? Where are my head shots? This is poor coding indeed.

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What were you shooting him with? Alien weapon or human? Alien weapons are good at taking down shields. Once those are down, human weapons take one out quicker. Maybe that's not the case here and you're right, but it's worth mentioning.

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- Poor A.I. intelligence: I see no real improvement in the A.I. system. Enemies seem as dumb as ever and only when I got to the higher end enemies did they even start to take cover or show any sign of intelligence.

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I haven't even played the single player campaign yet. Online is just too damn fun. This is what I've been waiting for. I'll get to the single player campaign later. Just a bonus for me.

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- Frame rate problems: Now I know this games runs at 30 fps, and for what it's worth, that's fine with me, but I had some multiplayer games slowdown to around the 15-23 range. Again, as I've said before, this is more lazy coding and just sad.

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Meh, runs great for me. Yeah, it drops when there's a LOT going on with 3-4 people on a box. But c'mon. This is bliss.

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- Poor coding of the levels: I found it interesting that when the damage ratio was raised for characters (a.k.a.- being able to increase how much damage you can take), not only did you and your buddies have more life, but so did the surrounding environments. So for instance, if I want to shoot a barrel that takes 1 shot normally, now when I raise my health, it get raised too and now I have to shoot it 3-4 times. That really messes with the strategy of the game and is again, more lazy coding.

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Who gives a fuck? Barrels? I'm not shooting barrels, I'm shooting people in the face. And why even raise health? Bah.

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- Shield bar: I noticed the attention to detail in this game was a bit lacking. Take for instance the shield of Master Chief on the Covenant. Notice any difference? No, that's because there is none. They used the same gauge. Evidently aliens and humans, although bent on killing one another and from two sides of the universe, have discovered the exact same shield technology. Yet again, it's lazy coding and programming.

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Again, who CARES? It's there to keep play balanced, at least in multiplayer. You want MCs and Covenant to be equal, no?

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- No zoom on the pistol: Need I say more.

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Hello, we've known this weapon would be toned down for how long? It was just far too dominating in Halo. This balances the playing field a bit more. Oh, and dual pistols at medium range rocks. Takes an opponent down in two seconds.

This game is great. Okay, it has some hicups here and there which shouldn't be there due to the time we had to wait for this game, but it's a highly enjoyable experience. I hope to see the third installment on the next generation of hardware so they can take it even further.

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Originally Posted by subcons

Oh boy...



What were you shooting him with? Alien weapon or human? Alien weapons are good at taking down shields. Once those are down, human weapons take one out quicker. Maybe that's not the case here and you're right, but it's worth mentioning.



I haven't even played the single player campaign yet. Online is just too damn fun. This is what I've been waiting for. I'll get to the single player campaign later. Just a bonus for me.



Meh, runs great for me. Yeah, it drops when there's a LOT going on with 3-4 people on a box. But c'mon. This is bliss.



Who gives a fuck? Boxes? I'm not shooting boxes, I'm shooting people in the face. And why even raise health? Bah.



Again, who CARES? It's there to keep play balanced, at least in multiplayer. You want MCs and Covenant to be equal, no?



Hello, we've known this weapon would be toned down for how long? It was just far too dominating in Halo. This balances the playing field a bit more. Oh, and dual pistols at medium range rocks. Takes an opponent down in two seconds.

This game is great. Okay, it has some hicups here and there which shouldn't be there due to the time we had to wait for this game, but it's a highly enjoyable experience. I hope to see the third installment on the next generation of hardware so they can take it even further.

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Well that's fine if you have low standards and really take no stock of what makes a good game. Have fun in limbo playing mediocre games. Maybe next time you buy a car, and it has no rear view mirrors, bald tires, and a stain on the driver's seat, you won't mind it too much will you, because hey, who cares, it's just little things right?http://www.neo-geo.com/ubb/icons/icon32.gif

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Originally Posted by subcons

This game is great. Okay, it has some hicups here and there which shouldn't be there due to the time we had to wait for this game, but it's a highly enjoyable experience. I hope to see the third installment on the next generation of hardware so they can take it even further.

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Although I agree with pretty much everything you said.... when you finish the game you'll probably change your opinion on this. Doing a seuel on a next gen system would be like releasing "half life: opposing force" or a similar expansion with the Source engine. You could do it, sure, but why bother? You're constraining your game design to 5 year old limits just to rehash the last game :) ?

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Originally Posted by Jedah Doma

Well that's fine if you have low standards and really take no stock of what makes a good game. Have fun in limbo playing mediocre games.

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Quite the opposite. I buy very few games. I'm rather picky actually. But I don't think I own a perfect game. You must own a lot of them with all the nitipicking you're doing. Please, let me know the titles so I can be on the same level of "standards" as you.

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Maybe next time you buy a car, and it has no rear view mirrors, bald tires, and a stain on the driver's seat, you won't mind it too much will you, because hey, who cares, it's just little things right?http://www.neo-geo.com/ubb/icons/icon32.gif

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WTF. That's great Mr. Analogy.

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Originally Posted by subcons

Quite the opposite. I buy very few games. I'm rather picky actually. But I don't think I own a perfect game. You must own a lot of them with all the nitipicking you're doing. Please, let me know the titles so I can be on the same level of "standards" as you.



WTF. That's great Mr. Analogy.

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Oh, sorry if I made an analogy that was a litle too hard to decipher. Let me spell it out for you kid since you can't seem to decode my magical secret. The car and all the 'little' things wrong with it = all the 'little' things wrong with Halo 2. Halo 2 is a new video game at full price = a new car at full price. If you need me to spell it out for you anymore then that, then please take your head out of your ass and try again.

Let's see, good games that are up to my standards. Well, here's just one (if you'd like more proof, please do tell as I know that whether I give you one or one million games, you'll still give me some BS excuse)

- Gradius 5

I hope that was simple enough for you. If you need to get some hints, cheats, or codes to figure this out, go to www.gamefaqs.com. You would be more then welcome there, and maybe they will have some help for you.

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Originally Posted by Jedah Doma

- No zoom on the pistol: Need I say more.

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You sir, are so wrong. The pistol was so overpowered in Halo that it was absurd. All you needed to carry in MP was the pistol and shotgun. Pistol for the long distances (because it was so accurate) and shotgun when you got in close.

I'm sorry but pistols aren't rifles. The pistol in Halo 2 is how the gun should have been in the first game. As i said in another thread pistols are the last line of defense, after you've pumped all your rounds into an opponent and don't have time to reload then BAM whip out the pistol and give 'em hell. And I find the pistol works extremely well in this fashion in halo 2. And as Subcons said, dual wield the pistol and you will find it is an extremely powerful force to be reckoned with.

I also like to dual wield the Sub Machine Gun and the Pistol as that is another nice combo.

Overall i am very pleased with the weapons in Halo 2. Its about time the Battle Rifle wasn't a giant piece of crap. Battle Rifle=Best all around gun in the game.

lolz, flame wars :p

Eh, Halo 2 isn't for everyone.

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Originally Posted by Jedah Doma

Well that's fine if you have low standards and really take no stock of what makes a good game. Have fun in limbo playing mediocre games. Maybe next time you buy a car, and it has no rear view mirrors, bald tires, and a stain on the driver's seat, you won't mind it too much will you, because hey, who cares, it's just little things right?http://www.neo-geo.com/ubb/icons/icon32.gif

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God damn, get over yourself.

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Originally Posted by genjiglove

God damn, get over yourself.

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Yea, I know, man, I'm so cocky for liking good games, curse my wretched bone. Thanks, I think I'll make a radical life change thanks to your epiphany.

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Originally Posted by Jedah Doma

Yea, I know, man, I'm so cocky for liking good games, curse my wretched bone. Thanks, I think I'll make a radical life change thanks to your epiphany.

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I don't really give a shit what games you like. If anyone has a differing opinion than you, you automatically launch into this condescending elitist bull shit.

The only real problem with Halo 2 that I agree with you on is the poor AI in the single player. Everything else is can be ignored, unless you go into the game already hating it. Which I'm sure you probably did, because I've seen your anti-Halo rants before. I mean seriously, does the Spartan and Covenant armor having the same shield gauge really bother you? In fact, if I remember right the manual says the Spartan armor has been improved using Covenant technology.

But hey, everyone who does enjoy Halo 2 are just ignorant swine, right? True gamers such as yourself can see through all the bull shit, right?

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Originally Posted by genjiglove

I don't really give a shit what games you like. If anyone has a differing opinion than you, you automatically launch into this condescending elitist bull shit.

The only real problem with Halo 2 that I agree with you on is the poor AI in the single player. Everything else is can be ignored, unless you go into the game already hating it. Which I'm sure you probably did, because I've seen your anti-Halo rants before. I mean seriously, does the Spartan and Covenant armor having the same shield gauge really bother you? In fact, if I remember right the manual says the Spartan armor has been improved using Covenant technology.

But hey, everyone who does enjoy Halo 2 are just ignorant swine, right? True gamers such as yourself can see through all the bull shit, right?

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Look at my first post in this thread and you'll see my "biased" rants. Yea, factual arguments about real problems in a game are such BS. I actually tried this game out. Why in the world would I even rent a game, play it with friends, and even try to play it if I already hated it? Look, I've already listed only a FEW of the reasons this game is just decent. Why this game gets all this hype while other great games get left in the dust is a sad factor of gaming today. If you want to "ignore" these flaws (or in other words, turn a blind eye to blatant mistakes), that's your deal, and I can't stop you, but I expect more out of a game 3 years in development. If you don't, have fun in your own little world.

You know, it's funny how you somehow single me out as the lone gunner here. Please, don't try to paint me as the bad guy. I'm not the one who sticks his head in the ground and ignores bad game design, but hey, go ahead, give me some more of your bleeding heart routine. It's midly entertaining for a bunch of BS.

The AI is dumber in Halo 2 on normal then Halo 1 on normal. Play Halo 2 on Legendary, the ownage beings. So hard.

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Originally Posted by Jedah Doma

You know, it's funny how you somehow single me out as the lone gunner here. Please, don't try to paint me as the bad guy. I'm not the one who sticks his head in the ground and ignores bad game design, but hey, go ahead, give me some more of your bleeding heart routine. It's midly entertaining for a bunch of BS.

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Oh please, I don't need to single you out, or paint you as a "bad guy". If you actually have some decent reasons as to why the game sucks, then say them. I'm sure I'll agree with some of them. But presenting some nit picking bull shit as an argument only makes you look stupid. Like I said, the only real decent point you had was the (at times) poor AI. Everything else are relatively minor gripes. If you only play games which have no problems to them whatsoever, well, good luck with that.

But, you seem intent on adding some much needed drama to this thread, so be my guest. I will be here in my own little world, with everyone else who can somehow bring themselves to enjoy a game that is not 100% perfect.

Maybe I just suck at Halo 2, but so far it seems to me that Halo 2 is tougher then Halo. Its been a long time since i've played Halo though. I haven't beat the game yet (just landed on the Halo - still looking for the prophet) but i am liking what i see so far. The level in Cairo was absolutely great. Jumping down onto that walker to take it out from the inside was great.

The marines in this game are a lot smarter then they were in Halo, I like how they actually follow you around and make comments on what they're doing and what you are doing. I thought that was a very nice touch.

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Originally Posted by genjiglove

Oh please, I don't need to single you out, or paint you as a "bad guy". If you actually have some decent reasons as to why the game sucks, then say them. I'm sure I'll agree with some of them. But presenting some nit picking bull shit as an argument only makes you look stupid. Like I said, the only real decent point you had was the (at times) poor AI. Everything else are relatively minor gripes. If you only play games which have no problems to them whatsoever, well, good luck with that.

But, you seem intent on adding some much needed drama to this thread, so be my guest. I will be here in my own little world, with everyone else who can somehow bring themselves to enjoy a game that is not 100% perfect.

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So, these things aren't important to you?:

- No hit detection: For instance, I made my buddy stand in front of me, and I took his shields down, then I shot him about 3-4 times in the body and killed him. After that, I took his shields down again, and when I shot him in the face, it took 3-4 shots to kill him. 3-4 shoots to the body = 3-4 shoots to the face?? Where are my head shots? This is poor coding indeed.

- Poor A.I. intelligence: I see no real improvement in the A.I. system. Enemies seem as dumb as ever and only when I got to the higher end enemies did they even start to take cover or show any sign of intelligence.

- Frame rate problems: Now I know this games runs at 30 fps, and for what it's worth, that's fine with me, but I had some multiplayer games slowdown to around the 15-23 range. Again, as I've said before, this is more lazy coding and just sad.

If you don't find all of these factors important in a game, then go back to your game fanboy. Have fun playing a game where you get killed just as fast getting shot in the foot as in the head. I'm glad you enjoy FPS that don't do what games years ago did. Plus, the storyline of "saving the world" is really "new" and "edgy". They should try that in those games that you take an adventure and make a quest. What were those things called...oh yea, RPGs......oh wait, hold up a second, THEY ALREADY DO THAT. Oh well, at least you'll be secure in the knowledge that you don't care about important factors in video games. Now you can play all your favorite hyped (and seriously flawed) video games for hours on end.

BTW: Please show me where I posted I only play %100 perfect games. Yea, keep looking soldier, I know you can do it.

Im to the point where all i want to say is if you dont like FPS's you still wont like them. If you do, go get it, it is fun. I still think it should have been alot better with so many years into developing it.

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Originally Posted by gatsu25

Im to the point where all i want to say is if you dont like FPS's you still wont like them. If you do, go get it, it is fun. I still think it should have been alot better with so many years into developing it.

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Agreed, it's a decent game, but it should have been much better then what we got.

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Originally Posted by Jedah Doma

I would have to disagree on the game play. Halo 2 is indeed a sad example of a first person shooter. After playing many hours of this at home and at a friend's house, this game is nowhere near good. Here are just a couple of reasons why this game is junk:

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This game is great, if you don't find it good at all, it is because of some tendencious personal issue you have with the game, or just because "it is too mainstream" for you to like. If you don't like Halo 2 at all you are not elitist nor exigent, you are biased idiot.

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Originally Posted by Jedah Doma

- No hit detection: For instance, I made my buddy stand in front of me, and I took his shields down, then I shot him about 3-4 times in the body and killed him. After that, I took his shields down again, and when I shot him in the face, it took 3-4 shots to kill him. 3-4 shoots to the body = 3-4 shoots to the face?? Where are my head shots? This is poor coding indeed.

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This is not "hit detection", without hit detection, you wouldn't be able to kill or be killed. The problem here is defining different areas for different damage values. Sure, this seems like an important detail. But think about this - the Machine Guns have a tendency to go upwards every time you fire, right? Well, if this game applied lethal damage to head-shots, the Machine Gun would be the most perfect and broken weapon ever created. And let's not even mention dual-wielding.

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Originally Posted by Jedah Doma

- Poor A.I. intelligence: I see no real improvement in the A.I. system. Enemies seem as dumb as ever and only when I got to the higher end enemies did they even start to take cover or show any sign of intelligence.

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Poor AI? The enemies don't get "smarter" by random, the game has a gradual level of difficulty. Try finishing the game on Legendary, it's not the same thing but with less HP. You need to play more.

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Originally Posted by Jedah Doma

- Frame rate problems: Now I know this games runs at 30 fps, and for what it's worth, that's fine with me, but I had some multiplayer games slowdown to around the 15-23 range. Again, as I've said before, this is more lazy coding and just sad.

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Lazy coding. Sure. Pumping this kind of graphics is easy, especially for a 733Mhz Celeron processor, 64Mb RAM, GeForce3/4-hybrid DirectX8.1 based system. You simply don't know what you are talking about. 15-23 fps? Are you playing on a Debug/Dev unit? I doubt that.

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Originally Posted by Jedah Doma

- Poor coding of the levels: I found it interesting that when the damage ratio was raised for characters (a.k.a.- being able to increase how much damage you can take), not only did you and your buddies have more life, but so did the surrounding environments. So for instance, if I want to shoot a barrel that takes 1 shot normally, now when I raise my health, it get raised too and now I have to shoot it 3-4 times. That really messes with the strategy of the game and is again, more lazy coding.

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Not all barrels are the same, not even in real-life. We can also call this an "added level of realism" as well, right?

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Originally Posted by Jedah Doma

- Shield bar: I noticed the attention to detail in this game was a bit lacking. Take for instance the shield of Master Chief on the Covenant. Notice any difference? No, that's because there is none. They used the same gauge. Evidently aliens and humans, although bent on killing one another and from two sides of the universe, have discovered the exact same shield technology. Yet again, it's lazy coding and programming.

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Not really, it is all about setting a universal way of displaying the most important game data displayed on-screen. If you check closely, different weapons have different cross-airs, with different designs.

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Originally Posted by Jedah Doma

- No zoom on the pistol: Need I say more.

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This is called "toning-down". No one is interested in seeing "Halo 2 - Final Tuned" to get the pistol toned down.

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Originally Posted by Mushiki

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If you don't like Halo 2 at all you are not elitist nor exigent, you are biased idiot.

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Oh, so if I don't like your over hyped game, then I'm biased idiot? Wow, it's nice to know that my gaming ideal can be summed up in one decent over hyped FPS. Any more sad excuses for you precious Halo 2? I'm still waiting for something that has a little more wieght then complete BS. Crap is crap no matter how you pass it off. You can dress it up all you want, but you'll still have a nice warm turd under your sad attempts at some form of defense for Halo 2.

I've played MUCH BETTER. That's the fact my friend. Play even a game of UK2K4 and you'll see the difference. "But you can't compare PC to consoles" you say in your fanboy cries of desperation. Yes, you can, a game is a game is a game is a game, period. I've played better, hence, I don't need sub par hype.

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Originally Posted by Jedah Doma

Oh, so if I don't like your over hyped game, then I'm biased idiot? Wow, it's nice to know that my gaming ideal can be summed up in one decent over hyped FPS. Any more sad excuses for you precious Halo 2. I'm still waiting for something that has a little more wieght then comeplete BS.

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Nice move trying to ignore how I proved how flawed and full of ignorance your "points" are.

Oh, and it's not -my- game, alright?

One thing is not liking a game, and other thing is saying that it is an extremely flawed, poorly-coded piece of software, and claiming your ignorant and missinformed beliefs as "fact". That is extremely stupid, and funny as well.

Anyway, I understand you now better. You don't like it because it is "over-hyped", or mainstream, right? You are indeed an idiot. Hype does not render a game better or worse, you should learn how to judge a game for yourself, and not let your stupid problems against mainstream blind you while playing a good game.

Leave your ideology aside, and learn how to enjoy things without pre-judging them.

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Originally Posted by Jedah Doma

I've played MUCH BETTER. That's the fact my friend. Play even a game of UK2K4 and you'll see the difference. "But you can't compare PC to consoles" you say in your fanboy cries of desperation. Yes, you can, a game is a game is a game is a game, period. I've played better, hence, I don't need sub par hype.

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I don't care what stupid PC FPS you compare Halo 2 with. This is not about comparison, it is about how good ONE game is, and not how it compares with others.

Hell, UT2K4 is a piece of shit compared to the Metal Gear Solid 3 - Snake Eater demo.

You are being incredibly stupid.

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Originally Posted by Jedah Doma

Oh, so if I don't like your over hyped game, then I'm biased idiot? Wow, it's nice to know that my gaming ideal can be summed up in one decent over hyped FPS. Any more sad excuses for you precious Halo 2? I'm still waiting for something that has a little more wieght then complete BS. Crap is crap no matter how you pass it off. You can dress it up all you want, but you'll still have a nice warm turd under your sad attempts at some form of defense for Halo 2.

I've played MUCH BETTER. That's the fact my friend. Play even a game of UK2K4 and you'll see the difference. "But you can't compare PC to consoles" you say in your fanboy cries of desperation. Yes, you can, a game is a game is a game is a game, period. I've played better, hence, I don't need sub par hype.

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I believe you were the member by the name of c7bassplayer on these forums long ago. My old SN was mikace01. Remember me?

If you are indeed c7bassplayer then I hate to break it to you but you are one of the most biased fanboys I have met in my entire life. I remember many many conversations with you on AIM as well as in threads on this forum.

If you do not know who c7bassplater is then forgive me, my bad.

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Originally Posted by Jedah Doma

So, these things aren't important to you?:

- No hit detection: For instance, I made my buddy stand in front of me, and I took his shields down, then I shot him about 3-4 times in the body and killed him. After that, I took his shields down again, and when I shot him in the face, it took 3-4 shots to kill him. 3-4 shoots to the body = 3-4 shoots to the face?? Where are my head shots? This is poor coding indeed.

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Ever think that the game wasn't meant to be played with someone standing in front of you perfectly still while you shoot him? Assuming head shots don't "count" (the online mode counts how many you get), this little complaint does not really drag the game down at all. I (and a lot of other people) can manage to enjoy the multiplayer despite this apparently game breaking flaw.

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Originally Posted by Jedah Doma

- Poor A.I. intelligence: I see no real improvement in the A.I. system. Enemies seem as dumb as ever and only when I got to the higher end enemies did they even start to take cover or show any sign of intelligence.

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Remember when I said I agreed with this? No? Try reading my post again.

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Originally Posted by Jedah Doma

- Frame rate problems: Now I know this games runs at 30 fps, and for what it's worth, that's fine with me, but I had some multiplayer games slowdown to around the 15-23 range. Again, as I've said before, this is more lazy coding and just sad.

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Game plays perfectly for me, even over Live. I'm not saying my experience sets the standard, but this has not been a problem for me.

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Originally Posted by Jedah Doma

If you don't find all of these factors important in a game, then go back to your game fanboy.

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I am FAR from being a Halo fanboy. It took me a long time to get into the series, and it's not my favorite FPS. But keep flinging out retarded insults, you are quite good at it.

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Originally Posted by Jedah Doma

Have fun playing a game where you get killed just as fast getting shot in the foot as in the head. I'm glad you enjoy FPS that don't do what games years ago did.

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I am having fun with it, thank you. :)

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Originally Posted by Jedah Doma

Plus, the storyline of "saving the world" is really "new" and "edgy". They should try that in those games that you take an adventure and make a quest. What were those things called...oh yea, RPGs......oh wait, hold up a second, THEY ALREADY DO THAT.

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What the fuck are you talking about? You are faulting a game that has a storyline about saving the world? Have you ever played a game before? That is what you do in almost every game. I don't play FPS for their story. Having a good story in a FPS is a nice bonus, not something to judge the game by. I can see being upset with it if you really follow the whole Halo mythos, but I don't and it's obvious you don't either.

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Originally Posted by Jedah Doma

Oh well, at least you'll be secure in the knowledge that you don't care about important factors in video games. Now you can play all your favorite hyped (and seriously flawed) video games for hours on end.

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I'm sure all the people out there will consider your opinion as they are actually enjoying a game instead of picking it apart needlessly. OMG TEH ARMOR GAUGES ARE THE SAME!!!!

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Originally Posted by Jedah Doma

BTW: Please show me where I posted I only play %100 perfect games. Yea, keep looking soldier, I know you can do it.

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Yeah, see, the thing is I never said that you said this.

If you only play games which have no problems to them whatsoever, well, good luck with that.

"If" is the key word here. Don't forget the obvious sarcasm either.

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Originally Posted by Mushiki

I don't care what stupid PC FPS you compare Halo 2 with. This is not about comparison, it is about how good ONE game is, and not how it compares with others.

Hell, UT2K4 is a piece of shit compared to the Metal Gear Solid 3 - Snake Eater demo.

You are being incredibly stupid.

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Yes, let's compare a tactical espionage game with a FPS. Real good thinking. Look, I gave you solid reasoning behind my thoughts, and still I'm being called a "fanboy". It seems that solid facts and figures won't snap you out of your fanboy Halo 2 trance.

Alright, let's take MGS3 for example. Why is it not getting the hype that Halo 2 is getting? First of all, yes it's getting press, but it is nowhere near that of Halo 2. What about awesome games like Gradius 5? Wher is the hype for that game? It's nowhere. That's my point. We have all these other great games, which are superior in many ways, yet get left in the dust.

Call me what you want, but I call things like I see them. I gave you my facts and I did my homework. I'm not coming on here saying, "HALO 2SUXXOORRSSS AND ITT IS NOT TEH L33T!!!!" I really don't know any other way to approach folks like you who are so used to this kind of hype over substance.

If you are any sort of fan of Hideo Kojima's work, you will know fine craftmanship in a game when you see it. Hideo Kojima is a game maker who PAYS ATTENTION TO DETAIL. Maybe I'm just spoiled, but I'd like to keep it that way. These are the kind of great games I've been around all my life. Bungie, is nothing but a money maker banking on the fact that folks will be hyped enough to buy Halo 2, and you know what, it sadly worked.

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Originally Posted by Mushiki

Hell, UT2K4 is a piece of shit compared to the Metal Gear Solid 3 - Snake Eater demo.

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Well yeah, but let's be fair here. Everything is a piece of shit compared to Snake Eater.

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Well yeah, but let's be fair here. Everything is a piece of shit compared to Snake Eater.

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See, we can agree.http://www.neo-geo.com/ubb/icons/icon24.gif

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Originally Posted by Jedah Doma

Yes, let's compare a tactical espionage game with a FPS. Real good thinking. Look, I gave you solid reasoning behind my thoughts, and still I'm being called a "fanboy". It seems that solid facts and figures won't snap you out of your fanboy Halo 2 trance.

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No, you posted NO FACTS AT ALL. You want facts? Or you want to see how all your facts are full of FLAWS? Check my previous post analyzing your "facts".

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Originally Posted by Jedah Doma

Alright, let's take MGS3 for example. Why is it not getting the hype that Halo 2 is getting? First of all, yes it's getting press, but it is nowhere near that of Halo 2. What about awesome games like Gradius 5? Wher is the hype for that game? It's nowhere. That's my point. We have all these other great games, which are superior in many ways, yet get left in the dust.

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So, games not being hyped renders them better? Interesting and stupid theory. Metal Gear Solid 2 - Sons of Liberty was very hyped, and it was an amazing game. Same could be said about most if not all of the Nintendo releases. Oh, and also consider that Snake Eater and Gradius V aren't games for the masses/everyone, that is why they aren't as hyped as Halo 2, which is part of the most over-hyped and shitty genres of all time, the FPS.

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Originally Posted by Jedah Doma

Call me what you want, but I call things like I see them. I gave you my facts and I did my homework. I'm not coming on here saying, "HALO 2SUXXOORRSSS AND ITT IS NOT TEH L33T!!!!" I really don't know any other way to approach folks like you who are so used to this kind of hype over substance.

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Sorry, but you posted no facts at any moment, you just posted your opinion.

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Originally Posted by Jedah Doma

If you are any sort of fan of Hideo Kojima's work, you will know fine craftmanship in a game when you see it. Hideo Kojima is a game maker. Bungie, is nothing but a money maker banking on the fact that folks will hyped enough to buy it, and you know what, it sadly worked.

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Sure, but that doesn't stop people from enjoying simple yet great games like Halo 2. Sure, I prefer to play Snatcher, or maybe Sons of Liberty, but Halo 2 is still a very entertaining and enjoyable game. And, who cares about the company's financial goals? You only get to play the game really. You should just shut up and enjoy it. It's not like you are going to stop a monopoly or capitalism because you make up facts and whine on how "bad" Halo 2 is.


- Anyway, I am leaving. Jedah, you may not like Halo 2, and that is just your personal opinion, but that does not render it a bad developed or poorly coded game in any way.

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Originally Posted by Mushiki

No, you posted NO FACTS AT ALL. You want facts? Or you want to see how all your facts are full of FLAWS? Check my previous post analyzing your "facts".




So, games not being hyped renders them better? Interesting and stupid theory. Metal Gear Solid 2 - Sons of Liberty was very hyped, and it was an amazing game. Same could be said about most if not all of the Nintendo releases. Oh, and also consider that Snake Eater and Gradius V aren't games for the masses/everyone, that is why they aren't as hyped as Halo 2, which is part of the most over-hyped and shitty genres of all time, the FPS.




Sorry, but you posted no facts at any moment, you just posted your opinion.




Sure, but that doesn't stop people from enjoying simple yet great games like Halo 2. Sure, I prefer to play Snatcher, or maybe Sons of Liberty, but Halo 2 is still a very entertaining and enjoyable game. And, who cares about the company's financial goals? You only get to play the game really. You should just shut up and enjoy it. It's not like you are going to stop a monopoly or capitalism because you make up facts and whine on how "bad" Halo 2 is.

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Yea, that's my mission. You got me. It seems I'm a "fanboy" (of what, I am not sure of at the moment) who has the freetime (with a full time job, 18 hours of college, and a personal life etc.) to make a personal crusade against Halo 2. Oh yea, you got me good buddy. I'm glad you see through me so crystal clear.

Your assumtions are probably your most endearing qualities. You assume because Gradius 5 didn't get hype that I hate games that do? Wow, nice try on twisting that one. I don't care what game gets hyped. It could be "Donkey Balls 5000" that sells 999 billion copies, it's still a sad state in gaming that these games get press. I love the MGS series and it has gotten hype. I loved MGS2 and it was very hyped, so please stop giving me this routine about how I'm somehow the hype police. I bought a ton of hyped game, so now you can stop making me sound like the "elite gamer of the ubber underground game movement". I like a good game for a good game, hype or not.

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Originally Posted by Mushiki

- Anyway, I am leaving. Jedah, you may not like Halo 2, and that is just your personal opinion, but that does not render it a bad developed or poorly coded game in any way.

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I'm about to get some sleep myself. In the end, Halo 2 is not a crapy game. I repeat, it is not a crappy game. MVSpike and I have had some conversations on LIVE on this at length. I feel it's a decent game BUT it does not deserve the praise it is getting. It's past hype and sales, but down to what the everyday joe sees Halo and Halo 2 as: one of the best games of all time. That praise and adoration is what gets to me you could say. This game should have been better for three years of work. I feel that Bungie did a decent to good job of making a game, but I can almost guarentee you they counted on some of the praise etc. carrying on from the first Halo. I honestly don't care what others play. My opinions won't change the world in anyway, but I can still have them just as much as you can have yours. Have a good one.

I'm having a great time playing Halo 2 with you guys online and the single player is enjoyable enough. I don't usually play FPS ganes single player, so the fact that it's holding my interest at all is pretty amazing. I can't comment on any of these supposed problems because I haven't noticed any of them or I don't understand why they are problems. There are a few graphical issues sometimes which I assume to be just the limitations of the Xbox. They haven't affected the gameplay. If the FPS go down I don't notice it ever.

I saw the quote/reply scenario unfolding up above and my brain started to hurt.

Halo 2 Single-player is mediocre at best.
Halo 2 Multiplayer is fucking outstanding.

End discussion.

Damn, this thread got ugly fast.

Anyways, I'm disappointed that the single-player game was so damn short. But, as for the rest of the game, it's really a work of art. If I had Xbox Live access, I'd be playing it 24-7.

Fact: Jedah Doma's opinions are not facts.

Opinion: Jedah Doma is an idiot that has been against Halo 2 from the start anyways.

Fact: I'm probably gonna buy Halo 2 just because everyone else will. Nobody plays RSC2 on Live! anymore. :(

Fact: Once Naruto 3 for GCN comes out I probably won't even think about playing Halo 2.

Opinion: Ten Ten > Master Chief

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Originally Posted by Jedah Doma

I would have to disagree on the game play. Halo 2 is indeed a sad example of a first person shooter. After playing many hours of this at home and at a friend's house, this game is nowhere near good. Here are just a couple of reasons why this game is junk:

- No hit detection: For instance, I made my buddy stand in front of me, and I took his shields down, then I shot him about 3-4 times in the body and killed him. After that, I took his shields down again, and when I shot him in the face, it took 3-4 shots to kill him. 3-4 shoots to the body = 3-4 shoots to the face?? Where are my head shots? This is poor coding indeed.

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Nope you're wrong. Maybe you can't have 3-4 pistol shots to the head take someone down anymore, but that's balance. Take a sniper rifle. Zoom in, shoot someone in the torso; you'll see their sheilds flash away; second shot kills. Find another person, zoom in, headshot; they're dead in one shot. FACT: The game has location based hit detection.

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Originally Posted by Jedah Doma

- Poor A.I. intelligence: I see no real improvement in the A.I. system. Enemies seem as dumb as ever and only when I got to the higher end enemies did they even start to take cover or show any sign of intelligence.

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The AI on normal is easier than it was on Halo 1. Yes they probably made it easier for the average idiot to beat the game; boo hoo. Turn up the difficulty one level and see how much better they are, especially if you turn it up to legendary.

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Originally Posted by Jedah Doma

- Frame rate problems: Now I know this games runs at 30 fps, and for what it's worth, that's fine with me, but I had some multiplayer games slowdown to around the 15-23 range. Again, as I've said before, this is more lazy coding and just sad.

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I noticed frame rate dips when doing co-op, though they were breif. I've done hours of multiplayer on Live and local 4 on 4 (2 XBox's) multi and not once did I notice a frame dip. The games graphics have some problems but overall they're quite good.

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Originally Posted by Jedah Doma

- Poor coding of the levels: I found it interesting that when the damage ratio was raised for characters (a.k.a.- being able to increase how much damage you can take), not only did you and your buddies have more life, but so did the surrounding environments. So for instance, if I want to shoot a barrel that takes 1 shot normally, now when I raise my health, it get raised too and now I have to shoot it 3-4 times. That really messes with the strategy of the game and is again, more lazy coding.

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I've not tried to tune the damage ratio, could it just be that instead of turning up the health on everything they just lowered the damage values of the weapons?

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Originally Posted by Jedah Doma

- Shield bar: I noticed the attention to detail in this game was a bit lacking. Take for instance the shield of Master Chief on the Covenant. Notice any difference? No, that's because there is none. They used the same gauge. Evidently aliens and humans, although bent on killing one another and from two sides of the universe, have discovered the exact same shield technology. Yet again, it's lazy coding and programming.

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You've got to be kidding me. Talk about nitpicking. They kept the same interface for both races for fairness in multiplayer. Oh and BTW, if you read Halo's story, the Master Chiefs shield technology was stolen from the Covenant.

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Originally Posted by Jedah Doma

- No zoom on the pistol: Need I say more.

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Yes because most military issue pistols have a zoom function!! Please the fact that the pistol had a zoom in the first game was a knock against the original. Especially when the gun itself had no scope attatchment (yeah I know "it was done in the chiefs visor"). You say you play FPS games a lot, how many pistols do you know of in games that give you a zoom? Couple that with real life.

FACT: The pistol in Halo 1 was overpowered, the pistol in Halo 2 is weak - like most pistols are in most FPS games.

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Originally Posted by Jedah Doma

All in all, this game was a big disappointment. Not only does it take things out of the old game (which was decent at best), it doesn't do things that video games on consoles and PCs are doing now, and have done for ages. This game was in development for three years? Wow, I would hate to see what they would have put out in 1 or 2 years. Folks, this is an alright game, but now it has turned into nothing more then a game where accuracy doesn't get rewarded, there's slowdown, poor A.I., and a lack of care in the coding and programming. Have fun all you want folks, but this is yet another game on par with the Backstreet Boys: over hyped, and overexposed.

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Dissapointment for who? You maybe, but you hated the game before you even loaded it up. Me and most everyone else on the other hand love playing the game on Live. If the game wasn't good, and we weren't having any fun, why would we be signing in every day and playing for hours? Because it had good marketing? Please, we do it because it's fun.

Oh and while I have, and love UT2k4 on PC. I like playing Halo 2 on Live more. It's a different experience sure, but I have more fun in Halo 2 despite using a controller (even though I have the mouse and keyboard adapter). So friggin sue me.

Do all americans except jethrek have a good taste in games.. or what?

You're all signing in and playing for hours...

because you're all fucking mainstreamers.


from kernow, of www.neo-geo.com

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Dissapointment for who? You maybe, but you hated the game before you even loaded it up. Me and most everyone else on the other hand love playing the game on Live. If the game wasn't good, and we weren't having any fun, why would we be signing in every day and playing for hours? Because it had good marketing? Please, we do it because it's fun.

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Originally Posted by kernow

Do all americans except jethrek have a good taste in games.. or what?

You're all signing in and playing for hours...

because you're all fucking mainstreamers.


from kernow, of www.neo-geo.com

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We're just not jaded old schoolers. ;)

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Originally Posted by kernow

because you're all fucking mainstreamers.

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I think it's that they've just never played Half-Life.

*shrug*

All that discussion about bugs, graphics and story aside, it all boils down to the game speed in multiplayer - for me, it seems dead slow, that's the biggest gripe I have with it.

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Originally Posted by Average Joe

I think it's that they've just never played Half-Life.

*shrug*

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ssh Judas, I see ones name frequently appear in halo topics.

I suspect you EVEN BOUGHT A COPY.

*me gets his crucafix ready*


jaded? me? no, I just like playing neogeo.


www.thisisnotafuckinghalowebsite.org

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Originally Posted by Takumaji

All that discussion about bugs, graphics and story aside, it all boils down to the game speed in multiplayer - for me, it seems dead slow, that's the biggest gripe I have with it.

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Well it's not Quake 3 or Unreal Tournament. But the game isn't meant to be played that way, it uses a controller. Playing it the speed goes with the game. Now Halo 1 on PC, that didn't move fast enough to cope with the controls and the multiplayer was pretty crappy.

I dunno, still fun for me though, even compared against UT2k4 and Onslaught.

I'm too cool and have too much street cred to use a pad for an FPS

fuck, its not 1995 and we're not all sat in front of our james bond inspired n64 multiplayer.

I guess you all bought one to support redmond.

FACT: Kernow is one grumpy dude.

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FACT: Kernow is one grumpy dude.

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I'll join the chicago clan.

*feeling of wantedness causing me to type properly*

eh dinkins.

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Originally Posted by kernow

I'll join the chicago clan.

*feeling of wantedness causing me to type properly*

eh dinkins.

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That joke just sailed over my head and landed in a nearby cubicle. I'm not going to go look for it, my coworker can try to figure it out.

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Originally Posted by JHendrix

Well it's not Quake 3 or Unreal Tournament. But the game isn't meant to be played that way, it uses a controller. Playing it the speed goes with the game. Now Halo 1 on PC, that didn't move fast enough to cope with the controls and the multiplayer was pretty crappy.

I dunno, still fun for me though, even compared against UT2k4 and Onslaught.

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Hmmm... the first fps I played was Zero Tolerance on MD, followed by Doom, but not on PC but on 32x... Later on I updated my PC from 486 DX100 to a then high-powered P100, and then enter Quake!... I put quite some time into it, after that in Quake 2 but it ran like ass on my old PC, and don't get me started on Q3A. It was not until the release of Q3A on DC that I started playing fps games again, and it's still my fave fps ever. Pure, straight and flawless multiplayer fragging perfection.

The speed and action of Q3A sort of got burned into my brain, that's why it's really difficult for me to enjoy a slow game like Halo 2. I'd even prefer stuff like Serious Sam multiplayer over Halo 2 mp just because of the speed issue.

For the record, I'm a casual fps player only, or even less-than-casual, and yes, I'm using pads for these games (except for the original Quake! of course), so there you have it... still, I'm sure I could give you a hard time with my patented pad-based "Drunken Tumbleweed" playing style... :D

Halo 2 online is some hilarious fun shit. That's all that matters to me.

quake 3 is god. simple as that.

It still looks better than halo 2 .. hmm 4yrs old now..

but lets not stop the massive hype machine from rolling

its what MS wants.

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Originally Posted by Takumaji

Hmmm... the first fps I played was Zero Tolerance on MD, followed by Doom, but not on PC but on 32x... Later on I updated my PC from 486 DX100 to a then high-powered P100, and then enter Quake!... I put quite some time into it, after that in Quake 2 but it ran like ass on my old PC, and don't get me started on Q3A. It was not until the release of Q3A on DC that I started playing fps games again, and it's still my fave fps ever. Pure, straight and flawless multiplayer fragging perfection.

The speed and action of Q3A sort of got burned into my brain, that's why it's really difficult for me to enjoy a slow game like Halo 2. I'd even prefer stuff like Serious Sam multiplayer over Halo 2 mp just because of the speed issue.

For the record, I'm a casual fps player only, or even less-than-casual, and yes, I'm using pads for these games (except for the original Quake! of course), so there you have it... still, I'm sure I could give you a hard time with my patented pad-based "Drunken Tumbleweed" playing style... :D

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quake 3 is god. simple as that.

It still looks better than halo 2 .. hmm 4yrs old now..

but lets not stop the massive hype machine from rolling

its what MS wants.

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lmao, unreal tournament > quake 3.

please just shut the fuck up, you are the most uninformed teen angst fanboy ive ever seen.