I can't FUCKING wait. I'm giddy like a fucking school girl with pigtails.
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I can't FUCKING wait. I'm giddy like a fucking school girl with pigtails.
Not letting the mediocre to negative reviews get to you yet?
I'm excited. The movies I've seen look great, but Lithy's point may be valid, too. I think at this stage, no matter how incredible it may be, it will be a let down. Halo's Halo. We've waited what seems like a billion years for this to come out. My one friend who's just as excited about it, if not moreso than me, is let down that we won't be able to do our "halo parties" anymore since multiplayer isn't four screens online (we use XBC to get four on one screen and up to 16 man matches over the network, online).
Anyway you slice it, it will sell huge and it will let people down. I still think I'll be very happy with it, myself. If it's just like the first with more levels, hell... that alone would make me happy. And, in a way, it's at least that.
Spike
The way i look at it is that nothing can ever dissapoint me more then the release of Star Wars: The Phantom Menace did. What a fucking dissapointment to this nerd. So Halo 2 surely will be better then that, because my default it cant be worse.
And i'll probably be skipping class when it comes out :D
tell me, how do you review a game that isn't out yet?Quote:
Originally Posted by lithy
no fucking shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lagduf
look at it like this, even if halo 2 multi completly sucks ass compared to halo, even if they ruined it by trying to change too much, hell even if it's unplayable online, i have no doubt the single player campaign will ROCK and be everything we've been hoping for, that alone will satisfy me and I can use Halo 1 for my multiplayer fix, because nothing will ever change what the first Halo is.
I played the one player. It was alright, but the beta I played had better have been a very early beta, otherwise this game is going to be a big letdown. In the end, Halo is a big hype machine, and I can almost guarentee you, Bungie will produce Halo for years to come, but never make another game. Bungie is going to whore this mediocre game franchise until it is dead.Quote:
Originally Posted by DashK
Well, you are going to get let down with anything you built up so much. I think Halo 2 will let a lot of people down, but I also think it will be a solid gaming experience that doesn't leave them feeling cheated. Probably something like what happened with Fable. Which got about a week of attention after the years of hype and then died off. I expect a bit more out of Halo 2 however, simply because it's Halo. I'm sure it will be talked about much longer, though still a bit of a let down given how much it has been built up.
well then they won't be any different from Squaresoft (final fantasy), Namco (Tekken), Rockstar Games (GTA), Capcom (street fighter, resident evil), Nintendo (mario) etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jedah Doma
Agreed. To be honest Halo's multiplayer burnt me out and i find myself drawn to team based games like Star Wars: Battlefront and the Battlefield series anyway. Halo, for me, was always about the awesome single player game.Quote:
Originally Posted by DashK
EDIT: Co-Op was also one of my favorite aspects of the game, nothing better then cooperating with a friend next to you on how to take out a covenant tank or a group of particularly tough baddies and then seeing said plan executed well.
Agreed, but your forgot Capcom and the Megaman series. Now that series has been done to death. Although some franchises are doing very well and still coming out with good games. For example Gradius 5 has been a very nice addition to the series. It's actually been on of the few franchises that hasn't dissapointed. Halo's and GTA's will come and go, but games that Gradius 5 and others are timeless.Quote:
Originally Posted by DashK
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Originally Posted by Spike Spiegel
I thought 4 player online was in. EDIT: Online co-op probably a misconception from advertising.
I think Bungie better get Master Chief on Nov. 9th incase it is a letdown. But I never hyped Halo 2 that much anyway. I enjoyed Fable because I haven't read much about it until its release.
If you think Mario has been the same game over and over again, you're blind.Quote:
Originally Posted by DashK
well it has since about super mario world, save mario 64.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zeekade Zarathos
Meh Mario 3 and World are varied enough and i'd say Mario 64 and Sunshine play very differently as well. Not to mention Mario RPG and Paper mario....Quote:
Originally Posted by DashK
But back to the point:
HALO MUTHERFUCKING 2!!!
Who is taking the day off?
I've played through the multiplayer campain on the 95% complete beta...the graphics are improved somewhat but in other areas the textures are inexplicably a bit low-res.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lagduf
Simply put.
It's a pretty good game, it's nothing amazing.
Everyone who's expecting the greatest game ever made is in for a huge fucking dissapointment.
Legendary Co-op is going to be crazy. When 1 dies you both lose...
No more suicide runs.
I'm cautiously optimistic - I've been burnt too many times before. :crying:
But seriously, I'm willing to give it a chance, and am not taking the whole "the leaked version sucks so the final version will suck" sentiment too seriously. I just hope they don't mess up what was right with the first game.
I think most gamers can see through the hype, i just hopes its as good (hopefully better) then Halo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scanline
The version that was leaked was sourced from the PAL localization process (explains the french dialogue) so aside from a few last minute bugs that Bungie may have excised...it's an otherwise complete.Quote:
Originally Posted by galfordo
It's simply a PAL release candidate build...i.e. one of the final builds used for bug testing to make sure that Bungie had ironed out all the bugs and otherwise the od issue, but content-wise it's the final game.
Indeed, its a decent game that's gotten much unwarrented hype, but some people will buy into the hype no matter what. It's just going to be interesting to see what will happen on November 9th. There's going to be a big backlash for those gamers who are dissapointed. This looks likr Fable all over again: Take hype, a decent game, mix, give to the public, and get a lackluster reception.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scanline
It's merely different" from Halo. What they did to the pistol is a major sore point, along with a bunch of other useless tweaks they shouldn't of really done as you can't zoom with it, dual weilding is nice though. The levels aren't nessicarily better, it gets boring about halfway through but decent again in the end.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lagduf
Co-op works fine and the multiplayer hasn't really changed all that much. Graphically the game can look really good and really dated at the same time. The poly-count for example is much better but the textures are pretty underwehmling detail-wise, but then again most of the weapons don't even look like they've been touched graphically. It feels more like what Blue Shift did for Half-Life with the model packs and a few new missions than an entirely new game.
My biggest complaint isn't really even the new weapon set even though I feel its turned into a machine gun fest. Its more the size of the multi player maps and the visibility. I've been playing 4v4 the last few days and I can't see anyone. Both team and free for all games. They just aren't distinguished enough from the environment or something.
Finished up Single Player today. Like Halo 1 it was a mediocre at best story though a very enjoyable and challenging experience.
But like Scan says, this isn't the second coming in my opinion.
http://gackt.virtualinsanity.com.ar/halo2.jpg
Best looking game ever.
Can someone confirm online co-op? Now I am reading its in. If so thats great. It'll boost Halo 2 several points up for me.
What do you base any of these assumptions about Bungie on?Quote:
I played the one player. It was alright, but the beta I played had better have been a very early beta, otherwise this game is going to be a big letdown. In the end, Halo is a big hype machine, and I can almost guarentee you, Bungie will produce Halo for years to come, but never make another game. Bungie is going to whore this mediocre game franchise until it is dead.
Seriously dude, you're off your fucking rocker. Just make some more dumb shit up.
Bungie could have, very easily, spat out a Live-compatible 'Halo Gold' or whatever and we ALL would have gone out and bought it. Did they do that? NO.
They also could have spat out two sequels in the THREE years since Halo launched the XBox. Did they? NO.
Bungie prizes making a rock-solid, incredible game over cashing in. If they didn't, they could have already done so several times over.
I think this will be the first game to really utilize XBox Live in a way that brings gamers together for some really fun, intense, awesome competition. Did you happen to know that Halo 1 was the first game Bungie EVER put out that didn't support online gameplay? Every one of their other Mac/PC titles did. That's why games like MYTH (not Myst ;) ) and Marathon garnered shitloads of awards.
As far as so-so reviews, these are only coming from people on the web who are playing incomplete copies. So far, all the advance word from media outlets has been nothing but very positive.
Seriously dude, get off this Bungie hate campaign. You didn't and still don't know a fucking thing about them, other than the fact that they make a game you don't like much. None of the things you claim about them have ANY basis in fact.
Go around, collect some reviews for the original Halo. Nothing but gold pal.
Hype has NOTHING to do with this. This is about a large, real fan base that's simply excited to get their hands on a sequel they've waited a long time for.
Again, none of the bullshit you're popping has any basis in fact, nor will it have any effect on the millions of gamers who will be happy as kids on Christmas morning come November 9th. Sorry dude.
GameSpot's Halo Review
IGN's Halo review
GMR's Halo Review
at first i was thinking the same thing, but then i remembered that in multi EVERYONE and their mom basically used the pistol 24/7 (hell I did too), it was godly with the zoom and put the other guns to shame save the sniper rifle, which didn't have the rapid fire capacity of the pistol so it wasn't as good IMO, and half the time you were just having zoomed in sniping wars with people. if they made the weapons more balanced i can live without a pistol zoom.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scanline
I cant wait.
I love Halo. Loopz got me into it. Hell I was the biggest anti xbox boy in the world. Then Loopz made me play Halo at his place and told me that Panzer was coming for Xbox. So I bought one and played through Halo. Then we played lots of sys link Halo nights.
I think Loopz has a definate point. Sure there is hype but is isnt the empty hype you get from your typical sequel. Bungie has a penchant for quality above all else and that is what they are going to deliver on the 9th of November.
Even if multi is unbalanced, can't MS fix it by putting out patches over Xbox Live?
Exactly. I imagine maintaining the integrity of the online game will be a VERY big deal for Bungie, since this IS what they do best.Quote:
Even if multi is unbalanced, can't MS fix it by putting out patches over Xbox Live?
The pistol NEEDED to be taken down a couple notches.Quote:
at first i was thinking the same thing, but then i remembered that in multi EVERYONE and their mom basically used the pistol 24/7 (hell I did too), it was godly with the zoom and put the other guns to shame save the sniper rifle, which didn't have the rapid fire capacity of the pistol so it wasn't as good IMO, and half the time you were just having zoomed in sniping wars with people. if they made the weapons more balanced i can live without a pistol zoom.
It was hands down the best weapon in Halo 1. Just too easy to score a head shot or a quick kill. Shit, Team DM on Hang 'Em High would just turn into a half-hour pistol fest...
Of course, the awesome thing here is that if any of these problems are revealed with a lot of online MP, Bungie can fix it with a patch.
I do think the pistol coud've been toned down, but you have to admit that it was a skill weapon. Compared to the machine gunning that goes on so far in Halo 2. The pistol was made worthless. 9 head shots, no zoom. They could've kept the pistol the same with no zoom maybe 4 or 5 head shots for a kill and that would've done enough to encourage the sniper rifle over the pistol and allow stronger shorter range weapons to get close enough to get some kills.
The fact that you could zoom in with the pistol was ridiculous in the first place. The weapon was way to powerful. Its a side arm for gods sake, its the last line of defense when you get pushed into some tough shit and don't have time to reload your primary weapon. The fact of the matter is that in MP Halo all you needed to use was the pistol. Pistol and Shotgun is all i need. The pistol was practically a sniper rifle in that game. Personally i welcome any toning down the pistol has recieved.
yeah that was my fucking setup right there, pistol/shotgun.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lagduf
Nothing is ever more wonderful then jumping down from above with shotgun and blasting your friend right on top of his dome. Ahh some good times from Halo MP....Quote:
Originally Posted by DashK
Hell yeah, the ultimate combo. All you ever need in MP Halo besides sniping w/ sniper rifle.Quote:
Originally Posted by DashK
isnt the mouse/keyboard combo also being released soon or has it already? its the only way to get some serious competition with fps. wish i had xbox i would play this if i had live. maybe i will get the pc version.
how popular was halo 1 on pc? or was it already played out when it finally came out?
That's fine if you like a decent FPS. If that's your thing, then fine, but I myself have higher standards then just decent. Do remind me, what does Halo do that no ther FPS (or game for that matter) has ever done? In actuallity, it doesn't do many of the things a lot of FPS already do. Here's some facts for you since you seem to be so biased towards loving a mediocre game:Quote:
Originally Posted by Loopz
- Can I customize my controls down to every button? - Nope. You can do that in Timesplitters 2 or many other FPS.
- Does it run at 60 frames per second? - Nope. Most FPS on PC and some on consoles run at 60 frames per second, but Halo only runs at 30.
- It has 16 person multi-player, but is this new? - Nope. Many other FPS have done this or more.
- Are the graphics genre breaking? - Nope. These are good graphics, but nothing amazing as others games on the X-Box.
- Does this game have a storyline that has never been done? - Nope. Save the world from aliens is amazing? Yes, I realize it's not that basic, but it's the premise of the game. There are many games with a much better storyline then Halo (and with MUCH better voice acting).
- It has a heroine who is a man in a green space suit fighting foriegn enemies in space. Is this new? - Nope. It's been done before in even the first Doom on PC.
http://www.collectiondx.com/collecti...ails/halo7.jpg
http://images.linspire.com/applicati...blurb-doom.png
Notice the similiarities?
I could go on and on, but I have brought up the main points I wanted to focus on. Loopz, don't paint me to be some Bungie hate group hoping for the destruction of Halo. My point in this whole thread is that people should expect better from thier games. Halo is not a revolution, it was just one of the few FPS out there when the X-Box came out, so many people played it. I'm not the ridiculous one fanning the flames of hype and holding on to some glimmer of hope that this game is somehow amazing.
I have no problem with people liking this game. If people want to like mediocre games, go for it, but why spend the $50 on this game, when you could buy much better? I myself like to get my value for my games, and Halo is not one of them. You are right, many gamers will be happy this November 9th, but many will be happy in ignorance because they have no idea what other games they could be playing besides this game.
So Loopz, please do tell me something Halo does that no other game does. Why does this game merit hype? To me, a game should be given hype if it does something new or does something better then any game in its genre does, but Halo does nothing new or better. You can play Halo 2 all you want, but it's not going to make a decent game any better.
I'm not the fool here Loopz, if anything, you seem to be the biggest fool of us all. You're a member of a community that stresses good games, great gameplay, and good games in general. You've been exposed to the Japanese market and many titles that the general public never plays. Whether it's a Neo Geo game, a Saturn import, a PC Engine game, or whatever platform you've been exposed to, you've played better then this game. If you can accept Halo as some amazing game, then you seem to have no grasp of what good games are and you have been suckered. Is this game as good as Radiant Silvergun or many other games you've played? No, but yet you defend it as if it is. Do what you will, but as for me, I choose better. You should too.
I skimmed over your post, JD. We all know how you hate Halo. It's okay. I think the thing with Halo is the great universe you're put into. Also the graphics ARE great. So what, it's not 60 fps. Big deal. FPS doesn't mean anything, but it IS nice (Metroid looks so damn sweet because of it). Halo has great characters fighting along side you, and best of all: vehicles. Not just vehicles, but good ones. They have weight, and are powerful, but not slugish. The whole experience is nice. The layout's very well done. The button config at default is just fine, IMO.
If you don't like it, fine. But you must know that most of the civilized world loves Halo, and let that be that.
Spike
I don't know maybe Bungie wanted Halo to be different, the 30 FPS definitely doesn't seem to bother most fans, at least me. There are so many other FPS why do you think Halo was picked over the rest? Why did it sell so much?
Like Spike Spiegel says FramesPS shouldn't matter unless they rise and drop in the middle of gameplay. Halo is console FPS, so its more accessible since you don't have to upgrade your console to play at maximum settings. Some just prefer consoles more. How do you know some Halo fans actually like other FPS as much or more than Halo. I can understand the fanboys who ignorantly overhype the game without looking at others.
Man, whatever happened to opinions and choices?
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Originally Posted by Spike Spiegel
Yup. JD you are cool to play SVC with but let the Halo hate go man.
No, not hate, just knowing better. As I said before, I am fine with others liking the game, but I myself want better. If others don't and they are fine with a decent game, that's cool with me, but I myself ask better for my gaming dollar. Why should I have to pay money for a game that doesn't do things other FPS do? I've mentioned my main points in my last post, and if not being able to change controls, low framerate, and just good graphics don't bother you, then play away, but you are missing out on much better games. That's my end point.Quote:
Originally Posted by MilkManX
Is Halo a classic game? That will be determined in the future, but for what it's worth, Halo will not be up in the ranks of other classic genre breaking games. Halo is a good game, but nothing more.
BTW: It was nice playing SVC with you MilkManX. We'll have to play some more or get some GGX2 games going,
http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=56780Quote:
Originally Posted by Jedah Doma
Hahahaha.
Stop talking as though your opinions are fact. if that's not what you are trying to get across, you need to improve your grammar.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jedah Doma
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Originally Posted by Plisken
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Originally Posted by Jedah Doma
Don't be such a little bitch, do you really find it so hard to accept you got something wrong? Having an inferiority complex must really be a bitch, huh?
Oh, and by using that logic, thibgs you write must also be pointless and unbelivable. Man, it's like a nerd paradox all over again.
Let me break it down for you Plisken, since you seem to have a hard time deciphering grammar. Here's a breakdown:Quote:
Originally Posted by Plisken
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Wow, isn't grammar fun??Quote:
Originally Posted by Jedah Doma
Yeah, I've played all of those same wonderful Japanese releases.Quote:
I'm not the fool here Loopz, if anything, you seem to be the biggest fool of us all. You're a member of a community that stresses good games, great gameplay, and good games in general. You've been exposed to the Japanese market and many titles that the general public never plays. Whether it's a Neo Geo game, a Saturn import, a PC Engine game, or whatever platform you've been exposed to, you've played better then this game. If you can accept Halo as some amazing game, then you seem to have no grasp of what good games are and you have been suckered. Is this game as good as Radiant Silvergun or many other games you've played? No, but yet you defend it as if it is. Do what you will, but as for me, I choose better. You should too.
I love Radiant Silvergun, Castlevania:SOTN, Street Fighter/Vampire series, the SNES Square gems, KoF'98, SS2, all of that. I consider myself a post-NES traditional console gamer with a big lean towards imports. This profile also fits the vast majority of my friends and fellow gamers down here in Tucson.
I can point to one single thing Halo has accomplished that no other game has done thus far, and it's pretty fucking significant.
My group of gamer buds is a very competitive one, we go through phases with a great many fighting games, having played a lot of VF4:Evo, Soul Calibur II, KoF, a whole lot of Street Fighter, NightWarriors, all that. On most game gatherings, there'd be just about 5-6 of us really hardcore fighting people.
Wanna know when that attendance figure shot through the roof? H-A-L-O.
We ended up bonding with other groups of friends with whom we didn't have that much in common, since they were gamers but not really fighting folk. I'd have other friends who weren't even really gamers at all, but once they got a load of the very logical Halo controls and got a load of what they thought were very pretty graphics and great sound, they were hooked. There's never been another game that held us in multiplayer LAN bliss for 6-8 hours at a time for nearly two years. In this, we see the mark of a really great, groundbreaking game. Pac-Man wasn't the first maze game, nor was Tetris the first puzzler. Neither had the best graphics either. But they possessed an intangible quality and accessibility that similar games in that genre didn't, and got a nation hooked. Fighting games with men in karate gear existed well before Street Fighter II, but it wasn't until SFII came out and got the formula just right that it blew up and became a success. We've had tournaments for Halo in my store, and for the first time, it wasn't just the same old 18-25 year-old pimple and anime infested set, it was girls, older guys, kids, you name it.
You can call me a fool if it makes you feel better, but all my fellow friends and loads of other gamers and 95% of the VG media can't be wrong. Bungie hasn't milked this franchise either, I don't see anything called Halo VR Missions, Halo Substance or Halo #XX Reload. They've exercised an insane amount of quality control, which is something damn near no one on this industry can claim.
If it just didn't hit for home for you, sorry man. I wouldn't trade the fucking awesome times that game has given me the last three years for anything.
I'm sure many here (JHendrix, Spike, Argentina '94, DashK) can attest to this as well.
The dominance of the Pistol was one of the things that made Halo really unique and extremely fun during multiplayer. It had a balance unlike that of any other FPS in existance and unfortunately the re-tooling has left it's successor a much more conventional FPS game.
I thought Halo was shit until I played it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jedah Doma
It's got stupid enemy design (yes, it's humorous, but it doesn't instill very much fear for such a serious storyline). It reuses the exact same textures for the entire level, especially indoors. And like Jedah said, there was nothing actually *new* in it...
Well, then I played it.
1. You can melee with a different button... see how many games have copied that?
2. You can grenade with a different button... need I say how much that would help in other FPS's?
3. CO OP!!!!!
And hell, it was a console FPS, and damn good one at that. Goldeneye N64 used to be my fave, but Halo really kicks its ass.
You have to admit.
Halo has one of the best production values of any console game ever made.