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CASTROWNED.
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dammit i thought he died. don't get my hopes up like that.
It's a shame it wasn't his neck, but then again a power struggle in cuba with 100,000+ refugees heading towards Florida isn't really what we need right now given the current state of the world.
How are you supposed to photoshop that into something funny...
I don't think it's particularly humourous...aside from him being a Total Dick...and a dictator.
I thought it was funny that he prefered to leave in a Jeep not a Ambulance.
I'm sure he was biting his lip...because two fractures certainly don't feel great.
I wanna see a video of this...this will be great for the World Leaders Blooper Reel...along with George Bush Senior Vomiting on that one guy.
Oh well...
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As much as he is a bastard dictator, Castro has much much much more guts than Bush. I have the feeling he would kill Bush if they were to fight in one to one combat to death using knives.
Why not 'CaPWNED' in honor of Al Capone? (Or Cap-One as I call him)
Seems logically possible, right?
Or did this die a horrible, gruesome death on the internet already?
Cause you know how important it is for people to keep up with the times... :rolleyes:
simpy :envy:
Dude, Castro would probably win a fist fight with Bush. I'd love to see that old ass motherfucker take on our Religious Fanatic President any day of the week.Quote:
Originally Posted by Amano Jacu
And when I heard about Kerry's wife bad mouthing Bush's wife, I was thinking, damn, why don't they do naked pudding wrestling? *barf*
I don't know .... being able to walk without falling down does have its advantages, even in knife fights.Quote:
Originally Posted by Amano Jacu
Being able to talk without putting ones foot in ones mouth helps too.Quote:
Originally Posted by galfordo
My money would be on Castro.
I hope bush is for the big fall shortly btw.
How do you know Castro isn't just a drunken boxer?Quote:
Originally Posted by galfordo
I would really hate to see thatQuote:
Originally Posted by slerch666
Well, the whole "breaking your own bones" thing isn't part of their routine, from what I understand. I may just be behind the times though ... :DQuote:
Originally Posted by slerch666
You mean naked Heinz ketchup wrestling ... ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by slerch666
"Just so that there won't be any speculation, it seems that I broke my knee."
Hardcore.
And photoshop is code for lemonflav here.
...Or Dion.
This news made my day. Like said, too bad that wasn't his neck.
Someone puts lf's head in that guy helping him.
Castro has much more experience in real combat than Bush will ever have. Bush would possibly kill himself first with the knife before he guesses which is the dangerous end. Hell, even a pretzel was about to be deadly to Bush.Quote:
Originally Posted by galfordo
It's funny how when bad shit happens to the people we know everyone is like 'oh, that's terrible! I hope they recover.' Or whatever. But when it comes to someone famous who isn't exactly loved by the international or national community, it's 'too bad he didn't die.' Anyone else see the irony in this?
So you are a heartless, unfeeling, uncaring bastard if it's someone you or someone on the board knows personally, but when Castro, hated by the world, falls and breaks his arm and knee, it's OK to treat him as less than human?
Sure the guy runs a communist dictatorship. When was the last time he threatened anyone? Was it the missile crisis, which I believe began after the US tried to assasinate him? (Bay of Pigs) So why is he hated so much? Just because he's a dirty commie? What makes the communist way worse than the democratic way? Neither form of government is perfect.
His "government" execute people for try to livre free in other country. Cuba didn't do nothing to anyone, just for the whole cuban people, what is enough for me.
And Fidel ceased to be human 45 years ago.
PS: you have a lot of nerve (of fault of brain cells) if you really plan to compare a democratic government (like US) with Cuba.
Damn right, hope Castro will be back on his feet in no time.Quote:
Originally Posted by slerch666
Personally I think Castro is a badass. Been in rule for nearly 50 yeas, has kept his country running through completely embargo placed on it by most industrialized nations. Then when he breaks his leg he gets up and says "seems I broke my knee" No matter what you say about communism he's a strong leader (strong meaning influencial, powerful, charismatic, persuasive) even at 78, and for the most part his people love him. Even if Cuba is a shithole :emb:
Nerve comparing Communist to Democracy? Why is that? The US had done it for years, then the USSR fell.Quote:
Originally Posted by Verythrax
I never said either government was better, both have pros and cons. I will say that, to ME, a communist state seems to have more cons than pros and that I like living in a democratic state. However, that doesn't make one for of government 'right' and the other 'wrong.'
He's still a human being, regardless of your view of him.
edit- looks like we opened up some drama material! WOOHOO!
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Originally Posted by slerch666
"Right" or "Wrong". The question is: compare how an average american and how an average cuban live. And you will see that really isn't right. Even here in Brazil, "third world", "misery", etc, or beggars live better than the families at the Havana guettos. Communist governments are build over mass murders of civillians of your own country and race, and it of course is wrong
For people like Fidel that they invented guns that aren't suitable to hunt animals.
A counterargument really might be, well we (meaning the US) put him there. Kind of a big whoops on our part. But we did get rid of Batista. So our fault he's there and his countries poverty is also somewhat our blame with our embargo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Verythrax
PS I PMed you back :)
I don't blame US for he being there. They revolted arguing that Cuba became the "US playground". Even if that's true, even a Devil's playground sure is better than that prison island.Quote:
Originally Posted by lithy
But I blame US to give Saddam preference over him :)
PS: reading your PM right now ;)
Part of why Cubans live at the level they do, can be argued is at least in PART because of sanctions the international community has placed on them, if for nothing more than the fact that they are a communist state. Sure the higher ups will take their share, but that's Communism and an abuse of power.Quote:
Originally Posted by Verythrax
If we lived in an ideal world with perfect people and we were truely all viewed as the 'same,' then the Marxist ideal Communism is based on would work. Unfortunately we don't live in an ideal or perfect world and no one as viewed as being equal. It would take some truely massive and grave catastrophe for us to throw off the mantle of judgmentalism, and even then, how long would that last?
China does the same type of shit, their 'normal' people are poorer than fuck and they have no sanctions placed on them for the most part. The only difference for the US is that Cuba is in the backyard, China is a 'world away.'
So Castro is worse than Saddam? I don't see that one at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Verythrax
Besides, we didn't go there because he was a ruthless dictator, we went to look for WMDs (note my sarcasm)
Exucuse me, but Marxist is a proved flop. all attempts to implant it failed, and any idea based on a utopian would with perfect people isn't worth trying.Quote:
Originally Posted by slerch666
And you said it all, even in China without the embargo, people have shit. Ceasing the embargo would jut make the idel's party richer, not the people.
And it's not a question of being worse than Saddam or not. Fidel is waiting in the line for a long time, and without help of a country like US, I don't see they getting free of that suffering soon. It's just a matter of principles. I don't care about ONU, or WMD bullshit. He is a dictator, he makes his own people suffer, he is a monster. Every nation of the world should have the cojones to fight these governments.
Give Cuba back to Spain, and problem solved. Remember the Maine? :D
Heh, we sure did use that one to our advantage. Now if I could only find that picture.Quote:
Originally Posted by Amano Jacu
http://www.homeofheroes.com/wallofho..._explosion.jpg
Go yellow journalism.
Free health care and education to every cuban citizen and encouraging every citizen to make full use of them. Yeah Castro is such an asshole. Only evil governments and leaders would take care of their citizens so much.
As far as I know, there has NEVER been a truely Marxist society, and never will be given the limitations of people and the false sense of 'equality' people want to push through the world. You can't say it's not worth trying, but it can be argued that as long as humans exist, Marxism could never work. Regardless of this sense of 'equality,' how many people actually buy into this 'equality?' Sure, many buy into it for political reasons, but I wonder how many people REALLY believe all people are equal. If there is such a person, they are probably working for a church or some social welfare job or something.Quote:
Originally Posted by Verythrax
Communism is a faulty Govt type that was built on the PRINCIPALS of Marxism, but there are some things not even a 'dirty Commie' would embrace. If you look at what Marxism really is, it would only work in a perfect world. That someone attempted to implant it in the form of Communism just goes to show how stupid people are, as they took this 'ideal' and built something to allow THEM to profit from it. Communism could work if the people in charge weren't so fucking greedy.
I'm not trying to say Castro is right. He's not. But your saying he's not human is incorrect as well. He's done fucked up things. US presidents have done fucked up things. The world and the people in it are impefect. Feeling less compassion for Castro because he's a 'dirty Commie' but feeling compassion for the homeless man down the street is wrong. They are both human, regardless of past actions. Maybe that homeless man is a heroine addict who murdered his family for drug money and you don't know it.
I agree Castro is a dictator, but I wouldn't call Bush a democratically elected leader. He stole the elections with the help of his family. Let's see what happens this time.
The scary thing is that a lot of people still seem to believe in Bush.Quote:
Originally Posted by Amano Jacu
So go there and try to discover with they try to swim to miami.Quote:
Originally Posted by kobylka68
I have an article about some brazilian university students that visited the isle, but not the touristic spots, but interview people and such. Too bad it's in portuguese only.
{A SERIOUS POST, No tom foolery here}
I agree with your views to a point SLERCH, but only to a point. As in that Marxism was NEVER fully realized the way it was meant to be, the followers of that doctrine always spin doctored it into something with it as it's foundations but ultimately NOT MARXIST, and it's what we know today as Communism that Lenin himself kick started in that vein. However, having studied Marxism quite a bit a few years ago {and I have to admit even I at times agreed with some of their stances} when you read between the lines it's easy to see where the perversion set in early, which takes us back to Russia during the Czarist days. You had all these common folk and idealists amongst them wanting change, the fires burned and it became the Bolsheviek Revolution, EVERYONE was going to be EQUAL! >>>Problem with that is, is once a war gets started and you see what the "Reality" is versus the "Ideal" it was inevitable that perversion would take over. Lenin in place, the Communist Way of life became one of absolute rule simply because in order for EVERYONE to be equal by the doctrine of Karl Marx, you'd have to have an infastructure set up to "know what everyone's doing."
...that alone in time would lead to people abusing the individuals rights. It's why I love GRD {Grass Roots Democracy} so much. As that really was closer to the mark of being "Equal" than anything that Marxism could muster, plus it had been around longer. Problem with GRD, is that the citizens themselves have to actually give a shit and govern from their respective communties and it's all from the-ground-up-to-the-head. The head sincerely listens and only intervenes with the body as needed, otherwise the respective area {say a city in a state} takes care of it's own needs, problems etc. THE REASON "GRD" failed is because people simply got lazy as the industrial revolution came in, people here in the USA wanted more and more to be done for them by a governing HEAD body, taking less emphasis off of the individual having to actually think or make sure the laws of that area/city-state were enforced. Thus in 2004 we have a society in the USA that is indeed freer than anywhere else, but it's still more of an "allowed freedom" and not a true freedom. We've got two parties that have all kinds of problems and a mindset that keeps the two at perpetual war. The Liberals who feel the need to have more government ran things done for the people, which boreders on Communism... and the Conservatives who are either religious over analyzers and/or believers of the "Old Guard" mentality, and don't want someone in Brussels Belgium telling them what to do.
...Which brings us to Fidel Castro. *When his 26 JULY Movement against Fulgencio Battista happened on the Moncada Barracks it was a spring to action at a time when the USA's own perverted goals in other countries was backfiring. The people in Cuba at the time didn't matter, the only thing that mattered was the money hose {similar to what people say now about IRAQ}, Fidel and Raul wanted to change this but they didn't plan it right. But at least they had heart. Later they returned and again were scattered, and only with the same burning desire that Rebel Englanders had once felt pressed on in the Sierra Maestro Mountains, eventually taking over Cuba. THAT WAS RIGHTEOUS... But what happened was that with America not wanting to recognize Fidel at the time, and afraid of Che Guevara's Marxist beliefs {not Communist} from spreading all over the region. Eventually with CHE not backing down about revolutions spreading all over Latin America, and it being obvious that Fidel was not going to have what the USA considered "proper elections", it became evident that Fidel would turn to Communism in the vein of Lenin and Stalin. That's where he became a monster, and while his own ideals were good it didn't cancel out the fact that he killed people just to silence them, fellow revolutionaries like the largely unheard of American Mercenary William Morgan who had fought for Cuba were watched, and many thrown into prisons for voicing their opinions. Morgan ended up being found out to actually be ultimately against what Fidel had become and paid with his life, and to this day I believe "CHE" was killed indirectly by Fidel while in Bolivia trying to carry out his mission of revolution across latin america.
Now does FIDEL have to be a monster? NO, but he doesn't want to retract anything he's done. The dude's had quite a run but he won't leave office. Is the guy interesting, YEP... at least to me... and I agree people shouldn't just wish death on him, but there's so much going on in Latin America/South America that most U.S. citizen Today that don't know the gist of it. Bottom Line bro, Communism is shit, and there are elements of our own nation that are embrasing it under the clever banner of things benign, but that's how it all begins.
MERCENARY X99
Exactly. I LIVE and South America and we have a pro-Fidel president, and lots of his actions are the same that the history told us as the first steps in Russia and China, and even the Nazi Germany.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mercenary X99
It's easy to say that communism is cool when isn't your house that is in the line of fire.
Yep, and the reason people here {in the USA} don't even know the little bit I just expounded on is out of sheer laziness. They don't see how understanding both the good my nation did, and it's bad led to where you live being in the condition it's in, and how it does effect us now. Bottom line is Fidel should be taken out of power, but for whatever reason he's not. The sad thing is is that the USA is slowly bending over for the very things it fought against in the Cold War under banners of "Global Unity" and "Progression" which is just bullshit. It's Communism plain and simple, and as a child of the last half of the COLD WAR, I will forever be enemies of Communists and their agendas.Quote:
Originally Posted by Verythrax
MERC X99
Cuba is an incredibly popular vacation spot for Canadian citizens. Even our old prime minister has visited there for vacation and for foreign relations. I know a few friends who went there for holidays for a while and they loved it went back. The thing is there will always be people who hate their government. Whether you're in Cuba, US, Canada, Japan, England. There are always those who hate their government. No system is perfect.Quote:
Originally Posted by Verythrax
Interesting that you mention that a brazilian philosofer/journalist had post some excepts of some Stalin's documents, were is proved that the globalization is the ultimate goal of the International Communism, showing some strategies to accomplish that, that are the same things that we see in the news these days. Too bad that they are in portuguese, otherwise I could send them to you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mercenary X99
My mother grew up in Communist Poland and my father grew up in the USSR. If you talk to both of them they will explain to you how they thought communism was great. Not everyone hates it. My mother felt life was much easier in a communist nation. I'm not saying it was a great system but america has just been fed way too much anti-communist propoganda.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mercenary X99
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Originally Posted by kobylka68
Ha! Don't forget that the places allowed to tourists aren't allowed to the cuban people and vice-versa. O r do you really believe that island is a tropical paradise for the natives?
Yeah and how many mexican natives get to live in the resorts of acapulco. Come on, obviously there are always places for tourists and rich people. I mean it's not like a poor family from the USA gets to spend every spring break in miami beach in their summer house. Plus it shows you how well Cuba and the Cuban people treat tourists.Quote:
Originally Posted by Verythrax
That's funny. The husband of a friend of mine is a polish soldier, and him and his family says horrible things about the old USSR. And there's even a russian girl that is a colleague of another friend of mine that says the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by kobylka68
Well, must be very cool to fight for toilet paper and no liberty. "Oh, must we have health and education!"
Health to endure the suffering and a 1984 education.
Here it's called brainwash.
My grandfather on my mothers side was a general in the Polish People's Army, trust me they lived very comfortable and my grandfather on my dad's side was a very high ranking official in the USSR government so they did live very comfortably, And even today how many people in the USA are fighting for toliet paper, food and a the basic standards of life. Democracy didn;t make life comfortable for everyone, just made the rich richer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Verythrax
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying communism is the way. I think every form of government is screwed up because the leader of that government is always more concerned in his own interests. Things haven't changed much from hitler, to stalin to castro to bush. Don't fool yourself into thinking one is greater than the other. As long as there is one person at the very top, no government will ever work perfectly
Do you know how much of the island is open to tourism? The only cubans allowed there are th ones that work there. Other people can't have "summer vacations" there.Quote:
Originally Posted by kobylka68
Cuban people treat toruists well to get tips - DOLLARS. Doctors earn 5-7 dollars/month there. They do that to sustaion their families.
At that article that I commented, one Cuban teold that to the brazilian student, when asked why some people live "better" than others, besides the fact that all of them are miserable:
"Eles tem FE" - Filho nos Estados Unidos.
"They have FAITH" (acronym) Son in United States.
I don't want to disrespect you or your family {Plus your a great seller :)), but this would be one of the few case I've heard where someone was really in favor of the living conditions of Communism. Everyone I've ever interviewed {about 159 ppl} along with my case studies and my military/mercenary training throughout most of my life as led me to see things much differently, even to the point of going back and breaking down Marxism, the foundation of Communism. It sounds good, and maybe there were elements that liked it, if it didn't enroach too much on them... but overall, more bad has been done from the perversion of the Utopian Ideals laid down by Marx & Engels. ---General Patton saw this early on and wanted to invade Russia at the tail end of WWII, but IKE the son of a bitch, wouldn't let him. Thus we had THE COLD WAR. That whole thing was about keeping out the whole "Globalization Progression Under A Governmental Head" mentality at bay, and ultimately to destroy it.Quote:
Originally Posted by kobylka68
Today we are at a cross roads with the USA divided between those who want more governmental Head control over the body because they are some lazy mofos who want hand outs, and don't want to work. People in the USA are almost rewarded for being in a reduced income apartment amongst other Welfare handouts than to have to bust ass for anything. No one wants to be "in the know" they just want their goddamned check and the right to burn the flag. Thus we have the Neo Communists with their "Let's play fair" and "Global Unity" bullshit vs. those of us who realize it's still ultimately about the individuals taking their resolve one by one and standing up for themselves... reminding the HEAD that it works for the Body and not the other way around.
If I'm ever in Canada maybe I could talk with your parents though. I'd be interested in hearing their take on it first hand.
MERC X99
That explains why they had a comfortable life in USSR :)Quote:
Originally Posted by kobylka68
But just compare: how many percent of the people suffer from misery at US today and USSR until the 80s?
And I tell you: Even the poorest american don't know the true meaning of misery.
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Originally Posted by Mercenary X99
Yeah my mother always talks to my friends about the life in communism. I will be the first to admit it's not perfect but also the spread of democracy throughout eastern europe has hurt it more than helped it. I don't want to say democracy doesn't work but the way it is worked throughout the world causes it to not work. Poland nowadays is a ridiculously poor country. In Russia you have people stealing copper wire to make money causing many parts of Russia to be out of power for months at a time. The majority of people are poor. They may have more freedoms but they don't have the money or power to take advantage of those freedoms. In Poland people are stealing whatever they can to make a livj g including ripping off copyrights. My cousin's husband was murdered for a measly $40 in the streets. I can see the suffering in my mother countries.
My point is that in both communist and democratic governments the leaders take advantage of people in a lesser power. Yeah my grandparents had a comfortable life because they devoted their life to communism and to the nation but thats no different than people in the USA who are filthy rich. In both cases you still have poor people fighting for just the basic necessaties of life. Neither system works properly so it's not fair to say one is better or worse than the other. Because both of them can work if run properly and I can't say I have seen either of them run properly,Quote:
Originally Posted by Verythrax
The problem with Democracy in the former USSR was that literally it was like on a Tuesday night the whole USSR was just that "The USSR" and Communist... and then on Wednesday morning they were suddenly no longer the USSR and embrasing Democracy.Quote:
Originally Posted by kobylka68
:shame:
Just as soldiers need a debreifing period before being cycled into Civilian life after a war, this was the big mistake. You can't be one way TODAY and another TOMORROW... it just doesn't work. Hence literally overnight you had out of work Spetsnaz Commandoes using their trade to make MAD $BLING and became gangsters, and everyone else suffered in the chaos. The transition should've been gradual, kind of like how the Communists in this nation in chaoots with the Godless UN have been working at it one generation at a time... a little at a time until one day people wonder "How The Fuck Did This Happen?"
MERC X99