West Memphis 3 / Paradise Lost

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I just watched all three of HBO's Paradise Lost documentaries over the weekend. Has anyone else seen these? If so, do you still think the WM3 are innocent? I'm really torn. There's a huge lack of evidence, but I can't get over the repeated confessions of Jessie Misskelley. The docs presented the confession as coerced, but looking up more facts after watching the movie, it sounds like he recanted but then kept confessing outside of the courtroom and even confessed to the cops in the escort car back to the jail after he was convicted...

Just curious as to what you guys think. If you haven't watched it but you liked Making a Murderer, definitely check it out.
 

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Paradise Lost is a very good film. A great Southern Gothic using real people. That being said, it has to tell a story like any "Documentary". So you have to take everything with a grain of salt.

If you like the film, I would recommend you check out Brother's Keeper (also by Berlinger and Sinofsky)
Although the editing and production on Brother's Keeper isn't as good as Paradise Lost, it is a much better film.

As for the case, I'm not convinced one way or another. Much like Waseem's case, I can't say for sure that the parties are innocent.
 

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The only reason I think they are innocent is Jason Baldwin.
 
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OMFG i didn't know there were 2 others??? i saw the first one and I loved it. One of my favorite type of films are trucrime documentaries that take place largely in the courtroom with no interruptions or shit narrator. Are the sequels in the same style and vein as the original?

EDIT: I went to put the first film on my Roku. Its free if you have Amazon Prime, FYI to anyone who hasn't seen the original. not sure bout the other 2, i will check when i re-watch this one
 
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also the mom of one of the dead kids has a nose and itlooks just like the tip of a penis
 

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Yeah, the other two are in the same format. I think they're exclusive to HBO though.
 

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the 3rd one is for free on amazon prime. the 2nd one is available on HBOGo/Now or whatever and u can rent it for $3 on prime
 

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Noice. LMK what you think after you watch 'em.
 

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"do you think Damien could kill those little kids"

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..................."they sure made it seem like he could..."
"i don't know"
 

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Seriously. It's shit like that that makes me think that maybe they did do it.
 

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Damien was pretty eccentric it seems outside of the courtroom. I read that he had a fairly heavy mental health record which led to him being both institutionalized and deemed "fully disabled" and has made claims that drinking human blood gives him superpowers shortly before the murders. Also he was charged with burglary previous to the murders. It seems to me like a classic case of a slightly older kid who is a little nuts and desperate for validation/power influencing his significantly dumber, younger, and smaller peers. He was the only one dedicated to certain ideas and ideologies, the other two were way too scared and dumb to register as responsible in the same vein he was, assuming he committed the crime. It also seems like due to that quote i made a post before yours that his peers really aren't sure of him nor do they know him very well, and I don't think they have the ability to do so with anyone like Damien.

I also wasn't really fond of the way the filmmakers practically accused the one father of the murder in their own way. I agree that defense had to question the knife and the blood on it (and I'm curious what the circumstances are of the knife being a 'gift' to the filmmakers...?) if it was a 'gift' it is indeed a very cocky and menacing trophy-like way of stirring the pot to see the reactions of ones' handiwork on murdered children.

I don't know. Its kind of a tricky thang... somehow a little more difficult to form an opinion on than the Steven Avery case (I'm 95% sure Avery did it, if you're wondering). I don't trust filmmakers to paint an unbiased picture for me and it really isn't their job to, but I can smell a left-wing warp from people who are bitter about conservative rednecks and want to make them look even dumber to a bunch of armchair sociologists/lawyers at home.
 

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Some families members of the victims have raised serious doubts as to the guilt of the 3 convicts. And that is a pretty rare thing.
 

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Some families members of the victims have raised serious doubts as to the guilt of the 3 convicts. And that is a pretty rare thing.
Yeah, but they are mostly all stupid and probably influenced by the film or the clever defense
 

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Some families members of the victims have raised serious doubts as to the guilt of the 3 convicts. And that is a pretty rare thing.

Only 2 of the 5 living parents have changed their minds AFAIK, but yeah, it's still a big indicator.
 

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So has anyone seen Sinofsky and Berlinger's "Brother's Keeper"?
 

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I've only seen the first thanks to Rollins. I really need to watch the other two.
 

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yeah, I member that that the Misfits were pretty big on the WM3 (played one of the benefit shows).
I actually saw Graves/Chud in 2002. Great show.
I stopped following michael graves in 2004 or so.

He keeps putting stuff out, but over the last few years his stuff has been getting a lot more folk-y. He's an ultra-conservative now, too, I believe.
 

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He keeps putting stuff out, but over the last few years his stuff has been getting a lot more folk-y. He's an ultra-conservative now, too, I believe.

Yeah, that was one of the reasons I went onto other things.

Then I got really into Mr. Monster, but then that dissolved into the graves band.
-Still have the original "Over your dead body CD" with the original tracklist.
 
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