Assault Weapons Ban Renewal??

As some of you may know, the ban is set to expire on September 13th. I haven't heard any news of it being renewed thus far, and the amount of concern about this seems to be rather muted at the moment.

Personally, If assault weapons could be removed from the hands of both law-abiding citizens and criminals, then I wouldn't have a problem with it. Unfortunately, the reality is that criminals have no problem getting these weapons, whether the ban is in place or not. We may as well allow law-abiding citizens to have a little firepower of their own.

The president has made his stance clear on this bill (he wishes to renew it), but personally I think the bill is a feel-good waste of taxpayer money.

What do you guys think?

When is it going to be time to renew the ban on TheReverend?


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Smells like FatGuy.

I don't see the point in this ban. All guns kill fast, so distinguishing between one that kills fast and one that kills faster is a little retarded IMO. That's all I really have to say on this issue. I think it's a big waste of everyone's time and money.

Matt

After doing a little research, there appears to be little to no chance that this bill will be renewed. The bill will die out and that's that. There appears to be so little opposition that gun rights advocates have quit running ads to oppose the ban's renewal. Meh, good riddance I say.

galfordo said:

After doing a little research, there appears to be little to no chance that this bill will be renewed. The bill will die out and that's that.

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Friends, my time has come.

Keep watching the news (put your kids to bed first as it won't be appropriate for little eyes and ears.) I'll be the crazy guy with the machine gun.

galfordo said:

After doing a little research, there appears to be little to no chance that this bill will be renewed. The bill will die out and that's that. There appears to be so little opposition that gun rights advocates have quit running ads to oppose the ban's renewal. Meh, good riddance I say.

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Heh. There was just some spokesperson for a group trying to get this ban renewed on cnn. SHe sounded like a nutcase. She even went so far as to say gang violence ended with the assault weapons ban.

Not to mention, aparently, this ban didn't actually effect real assult weapons. The most significant thing this ban touched upon was large capacity magazoines.

Matt

Yeah, guns are fantastic, aren't they? Killing other people is such a great thing. Always a pleasure.

Let's all get some so we can fucking shoot each other to pieces. Why wait 'till some thug gang member wants to shoot you? Let's have an all out civil fucking war right now. Everyone against everyone. Don't have a gun? Too bad, you're fucking dead.

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How the fuck can you say someone who OPPOSES assault weapons is a nutcase? You're the fucking nutcase. Guns are used for killing people. That's a fucking bad thing. Getting more guns off the streets and out of the houses of you fucking nutcases is a good thing.

Force said:

Heh. There was just some spokesperson for a group trying to get this ban renewed on cnn. SHe sounded like a nutcase. She even went so far as to say gang violence ended with the assault weapons ban.

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What a fucking whack job ....

The Columbine shooting, the AK-47/bullet proof vest shootout in LA with the outgunned police, and the the DC Sniper shootings all took place WELL after the "wonderful" assault weapons ban - and it didn't make a fucking bit of difference there. You wanna know why, people? It's because people who are willing to KILL other people don't give a FUCK about breaking a gun law. I don't know why this is so difficult to understand for some people.

Force said:

Not to mention, aparently, this ban didn't actually effect real assult weapons. The most significant thing this ban touched upon was large capacity magazoines.

Matt

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That, and it made gun manufacturers redesign the guns' stocks. Really, this is a prime example of feel-good POS legislation.

Kristian Meller said:

Yeah, guns are fantastic, aren't they? Killing other people is such a great thing. Always a pleasure.

Let's all get some so we can fucking shoot each other to pieces. Why wait 'till some thug gang member wants to shoot you? Let's have an all out civil fucking war right now. Everyone against everyone. Don't have a gun? Too bad, you're fucking dead.

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How the fuck can you say someone who OPPOSES assault weapons is a nutcase? You're the fucking nutcase. Guns are used for killing people. That's a fucking bad thing. Getting more guns off the streets and out of the houses of you fucking nutcases is a good thing.

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That's all fine and dandy, Mr. Meller, but enacting a gun law and expecting murderers to comply is a bit of a stretch, don't you think? I'll say this one more time. If they're willing to kill - then they're also going to be willing to obtain a gun illegally. You wanna stop violence? Then I suggest you go after the criminal. It ain't rocket science.

Just to let everyone know, I am in favor of background checks. The current system is poorly implemented, and the money that is spent on worthless bills (like this one) could be much better spent on an improved background check system. An instantaneous check would be optimal (It could be web-based), but a 3-5 day waiting period is still reasonable, IMO.

Kristian Meller said:

Yeah, guns are fantastic, aren't they? Killing other people is such a great thing. Always a pleasure.

Let's all get some so we can fucking shoot each other to pieces. Why wait 'till some thug gang member wants to shoot you? Let's have an all out civil fucking war right now. Everyone against everyone. Don't have a gun? Too bad, you're fucking dead.

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How the fuck can you say someone who OPPOSES assault weapons is a nutcase? You're the fucking nutcase. Guns are used for killing people. That's a fucking bad thing. Getting more guns off the streets and out of the houses of you fucking nutcases is a good thing.

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I'd like to stab you to death for irony's sake.

Dinkins for mod.

The problem is that there is, as far as I can tell, no legitimate, SAFE, use for most of the assault weapons that were banned. Before I go any further, let me clarify my beliefs.

I am PRO hunting, and PRO home defense, I am also pro self defense. I believe in conceiled carry. I believe the 2nd amendment gives americans the right to own weapons.

That being said, you don't need a 30 round clip to hunt (animals, anyway.) And for home defense, those bullets are going to blow right out your wall and into your neighbors house after they go through a bad guy. You can't put an AR 15 into your purse or jacket to stop a mugger, like your basic 22 or 38.

As far as I can see (and I'm open to hearing opposing views) all a roomsweeper shotgun or a 30 round banana clip loaded AK-47 or a .50 calibur sniper rifle (these may actually already be legal, not 100% sure) are good for is killing many people, quickly, and efficiently.

Just my opinion.

FrostbayneAucti said:

The problem is that there is, as far as I can tell, no legitimate, SAFE, use for most of the assault weapons that were banned. Before I go any further, let me clarify my beliefs.

I am PRO hunting, and PRO home defense, I am also pro self defense. I believe in conceiled carry. I believe the 2nd amendment gives americans the right to own weapons.

That being said, you don't need a 30 round clip to hunt (animals, anyway.) And for home defense, those bullets are going to blow right out your wall and into your neighbors house after they go through a bad guy. You can't put an AR 15 into your purse or jacket to stop a mugger, like your basic 22 or 38.

As far as I can see (and I'm open to hearing opposing views) all a roomsweeper shotgun or a 30 round banana clip loaded AK-47 or a .50 calibur sniper rifle (these may actually already be legal, not 100% sure) are good for is killing many people, quickly, and efficiently.

Just my opinion.

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Guns are for pussies.

Real men hurl acid into their enemies faces.

(or into the faces of defenseless animals... that's even better - just make sure you know a good taxidermist, because that stuff can melt up a deers face pretty badly.)

Wow. This is amazing.

You know people, the point that the people that want weapons get weapons will always be a fact. But consider a few points.

- As mentioned above, why the FUCK does anyone that's going to go through normal channels need a damn automatic machine gun? And yes, there is a MAJOR FUCKING difference between a pistol or shotgun and an ASSAULT rifle or machine gun. How would you like someone coming into your kid's school and wiping out 50 people, then reload. I'd like a chance of tackling the prick after 6 shots while he reloads, thank you.

- Less guns is less guns. Period. One less gun someone (that may even get a clean background check) has means you may not get shot.

- Most of the weapons used for home defense are basically used by kid's shooting each other to death. How often do you hear about Joe Asshole shooting an intruder? And how often do you hear about 6 year old Timmy blowing his friend's head off? Too many times. The only legit argument (and I'll make it since I don't anyone else will) for a gun at home is the thought it puts in potential intruder's minds that you might actually have a gun.

- Guns for recreational use? How 'bout you fucking play your Neo-Geo and talk about it here.

- Hunting is all well and good, no problems there. But why do you need an assault rifle? How about you put some challenge in it and use a bow-and-arrow like I've seen on ESPN. That's a real game then, right?

I don't think any of you here saying "why not let people carry guns?" have any kids. I'll tell ya, before my son was born, I didn't give a lot of thought to it. But now it scares the hell outta me. But I won't let him carry a gun to school just because someone else might have one. Then what?

Give me one GOOD reason any gun should be legal other than potentially home defense/deterent. GOOD reason.

And fuck the whole "spend money on so-and-so instead of renewing the assault weapons ban" argument. You think that's the biggest waste of money in the government? If you do, you're a complete fucking moron.

You can tell I feel fairly strongly about this.

D-Lite said:

Give me one GOOD reason any gun should be legal other than potentially home defense/deterent. GOOD reason.

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Having a small penis and not being able to afford a Porsche.

D-Lite said:

- Hunting is all well and good, no problems there. But why do you need an assault rifle?

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HAH! Obviously you've never been turkey huntin', have you?!?

Those fuckers are fast... and very tricky.

Galfordo,
I think a broad ban is really quite useless. There are so many state laws on guns, classifying them into all types of categories, because not all guns are the same.

Average Joe said:

Having a small penis and not being able to afford a Porsche.

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I found you a remedy Average Joe:

bokmeow said:

I found you a remedy Average Joe:

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I've found it's easier just to date small women.

Average Joe said:

I've found it's easier just to date small women.

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You're going about it wrong, some of those midgets are loose sluts. It's better to date huge women with tiny vaginas.

Although i'm not American, i'm all for lifting this ban. Automatics makes watching the news so much more interesting.

Gorka said:

Although i'm not American, i'm all for lifting this ban. Automatics make watching Golden Girls so much more interesting because you can actually shoot Bea Arthur.

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This thread is silly and fun.

D-Lite said:

- As mentioned above, why the FUCK does anyone that's going to go through normal channels need a damn automatic machine gun? And yes, there is a MAJOR FUCKING difference between a pistol or shotgun and an ASSAULT rifle or machine gun. How would you like someone coming into your kid's school and wiping out 50 people, then reload. I'd like a chance of tackling the prick after 6 shots while he reloads, thank you.

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"Automatic machine guns" as you put it, are completely illegal for civilians to own or purchase. This has nothing to do with the current assault weapons ban. And that prick you're talking about that's willing to take out 50 people .... you think he'll think twice about doing a little homework in order to track down whichever gun he wants? Don't kid yourself.

D-Lite said:

- Less guns is less guns. Period. One less gun someone (that may even get a clean background check) has means you may not get shot.

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It isn't that simple. Disarming the public will make them less safe from intruders. Disarming criminals is what needs to be done.

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- Most of the weapons used for home defense are basically used by kid's shooting each other to death. How often do you hear about Joe Asshole shooting an intruder? And how often do you hear about 6 year old Timmy blowing his friend's head off? Too many times. The only legit argument (and I'll make it since I don't anyone else will) for a gun at home is the thought it puts in potential intruder's minds that you might actually have a gun.

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Self-defense stories don't make the news, but they happen all the time. I personally know 2 people who have successfully defended themselves with firearms. Any parent who allows their child access to a firearm should be locked up. The same thing goes for Drano, knives, and Stinky-Dinkins.

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- Guns for recreational use? How 'bout you fucking play your Neo-Geo and talk about it here.

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Target and competitive shooting is a legitimate sport, and though I personally prefer playing the Neo, I can also appreciate this sport.

D-Lite said:

- Hunting is all well and good, no problems there. But why do you need an assault rifle? How about you put some challenge in it and use a bow-and-arrow like I've seen on ESPN. That's a real game then, right?

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Try duck hunting, quail hunting, or rabbit hunting with a bow and arrow. That's a little tough. Not to mention trying to hit Makismo's wirey ass with a bow and arrow can be a real bitch.

D-Lite said:

I don't think any of you here saying "why not let people carry guns?" have any kids. I'll tell ya, before my son was born, I didn't give a lot of thought to it. But now it scares the hell outta me. But I won't let him carry a gun to school just because someone else might have one. Then what?

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I don't think you'll find too many people that will argue that kids should have the right to carry firearms. Ehhh ... certainly no arguments here on that one.

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Give me one GOOD reason any gun should be legal other than potentially home defense/deterent. GOOD reason.

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Personally, I'm not a huge hunter, nor do I target practice any more since I'm living the apt. life now. But being able to defend yourself/your home/your family is not something you can shrug off. It's pretty important, in the eyes of many people.

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And fuck the whole "spend money on so-and-so instead of renewing the assault weapons ban" argument. You think that's the biggest waste of money in the government? If you do, you're a complete fucking moron.

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Well, the assault weapons ban didn't stop Columbine, it didn't stop the DC sniper, and it didn't stop the LA shootout. Instead of slinging the "you're stupid because you disagree with me" attitude around, would you care to elaborate on why you think this ban was an efficient use of tax dollars? Many of your friends in Washington tend to disagree with you.

D-Lite said:

You can tell I feel fairly strongly about this.

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Yeah, I'd say that's pretty clear.

galfordo said:

Any parent who allows their child access to a firearm should be locked up. The same thing goes for Drano, knives, and Stinky-Dinkins.

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Chances are if I have access to any child that child's parent is bound and gagged in an adjacent room.

That's how I roll!

Galfordo, how about some kind of compromise. Realistically, if you need a 75 round clip to defend your family, you're going to lose. If one man is firing off that many rounds in defense, there's got to be like 20 people there. What would you think of the following.

Currently allowed weapons, current laws.

Weapons going to be allowed under the sunset clause:

1) Require a license. To get the license you have to go through the same basic psycological tests that police officers are required to go through, followed by a one month waiting period. During the one month waiting period the purchaser takes 1 gun safety lesson a week. This includes weapons from gun shows.

2) Purchasers must have a gun safe in working order to own an assault rifle. That eliminates some of the criminal issues (an awful lot of guns used in crimes are stolen guns.)

3) A citizen may only own 1 assault class weapon. Make it a crime to not report the theft of an assault weapon punishable with a manditory year in jail. Realistically you don't need two of these things to defend your family (Unless you plan to fire them off one in each hand) and if you want one to throw to the wife, she can get her own licence. This eliminates the problem of people who buy fireams and then sell them on the black market (a big problem.)

4) The firearm must be registered at the local police department, must be present at the time of licensing and the licence must be renewed every year, WITH THE FIREARM present.

5) No clips larger than 20 rounds. It's a semi-automatic weapon, 20 rounds between changing clips is enough. Over that and I can't belive your not planning to convert to full auto.

If those restrictions are put into place, I'd be fine with allowing assault weapons. It's not that many hoops to jump through to own a potentially deadly weapon (I mean you have to jump through more hoops to get a morgage.)

Thoughts? Changes?

I want to say that I completely agree with Galfordo on this issue. I'm fundamentally against the use and purchase of Assault Weapons in the US, however Galfordo is absolutely right. The law has done absolutely nothing but waste taxpayer money.

The Brady Bill was enough, the Assault Weapons ban was simply to far reaching and vague.

galfordo said:

Well, the assault weapons ban didn't stop Columbine, it didn't stop the DC sniper, and it didn't stop the LA shootout. Instead of slinging the "you're stupid because you disagree with me" attitude around, would you care to elaborate on why you think this ban was an efficient use of tax dollars? Many of your friends in Washington tend to disagree with you.

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Hmm. I don't think you understand what I said at all, nor do you actually address the main argument in play here.

WHY DO YOU NEED AN ASSAULT WEAPON?????

Do you need it to defend yourself? NO.
Do you need it for hunting? NO.
Do you need it for target practice? NO.

You miss my points, pretty much roundly. No, you won't stop ALL gun-related incidents. Of course not. BUT YOU WILL STOP SOME. Dontcha think? Neo games priced at $359 definitely stops some people from buying, but not everyone, right?

How about we allow the sale of all guns, but jack up the prices to ridiculous heights? Like a cigarette tax, yes/no?

Where is money spent in a weapons ban? Between the morons arguing about it in the government. Ain't many other places to spend the money. Why do "my friends in Washington tend to disagree"? Because that's what all politicians do, disagree. For shit's sake, what the fuck do they have a right to complain about wasting money on this for? Haven't you ever seen those fucks sit and read from a book out loud simply for the sake of staling a vote? That's called filibustering and the dipshits do it regularly, wasting ASSLOADS OF YOUR MONEY. I believe the average politician, between salary and overhead costs, costs taxpayers probably about $100/hour. Don't throw around worthless arguments about cost to me. Watch how much two of the least intelligent men in this country are about to waste millions and millions of dollars to become president. Please don't ever EVER use an argument made by the biggest money wasters of all EVER.

I do not have a "you're stupid because you disagree with me" attitude. In fact I conceded the only valid point you have in my own post, about defending yourself and home. I'm making logical, bipartisan comments here so shut the fuck up.

Would there be less guns available to kill someone with an assault weapons ban? YES.
Would there be less guns available to kill someone without being able to buy them in Walmart? YES.
Would there be less guns available to gangs and psychologically disturbed people that may snap, but have clean background checks? YES.

I'd say those are indisputable points.